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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: MAINER on December 22, 2011, 09:41:43 AM
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I know its another American fighter plane... plus it is a very late war uber-plane but I think it would be a fun addition. Perk it for a little bit more then the Tempest. I think it would be a blast to fly! :airplane:.
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except it never saw combat...
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I'm on the road, able to read up on this but unable to post anything. Short answer, over 500 built but didn't fly until Feb 1945, never saw combat. This alone vetos it.
It would be thee ubber bird of this game. Top speed at optimum alt of 487mph. Climbed like a Spit and rolled like a Fw-190. It was lighter and overall better turner. This bird would own the Late War world, but alas doesn't qualify. Too bad.
Boo
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That and most pilots said the P-51D was an optimal choice over the -H due to its structural integrity.
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That and most pilots said the P-51D was an optimal choice over the -H due to its structural integrity.
Note that the 51s that went to Korea were D models not Hs. Mainly because of the ord carrying capability but just the same, the H was a bit of a footnote in the Mustang book.
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I know its another American fighter plane... plus it is a very late war uber-plane but I think it would be a fun addition. Perk it for a little bit more then the Tempest. I think it would be a blast to fly! :airplane:.
You're right, but it was soooo late, that it missed the entire war. :aok
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the 51 plague must end
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It would still be just more fodder to feed my 262 :D
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Actually it appears that we might eventually get this.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,325690.0.html
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the 51 plague must end
THIS!, Please god say it shall be!
JUGgler
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Jugler, are you just tired of us Pony drivers putting holes in your purdy pig wings? haha
Alas, us Pony-types will keep wracking up the kills, with a few runstangs giving us all a bad name. In the end...shoot'm all down, let the good Lord sort'm out.
Boo
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the 51 plague must end
There are 2 P-51s in the game, there are 6 Bf-109s, why are you complaining?
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THIS!, Please god say it shall be!
JUGgler
Do I sense Luftwhining?
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There are 2 P-51s in the game, there are 6 Bf-109s, why are you complaining?
Seriously I do not want anymore P51s or anything else that can run from a good fight.
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There are 2 P-51s in the game, there are 6 Bf-109s, why are you complaining?
Because most 109 sticks use a level of skill unlike most pony sticks who BnZ or run almost all the time.
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Because most 109 sticks use a level of skill unlike most pony sticks who BnZ or run almost all the time.
I take you 1 on 1 anytime my pony vs your 109, and I won't run or BnZ.
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Because most 109 sticks use a level of skill unlike most pony sticks who BnZ or run almost all the time.
Bingo, I knew of only 1 good P51 stick and that was years ago, I do know Rogent is a crafty 51 stick but other then that...its like watching tumbelweeds go by everytime a p51 is around, because you know there isn't going to be a dogfight.
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Bingo, I knew of only 1 good P51 stick and that was years ago, I do know Rogent is a crafty 51 stick but other then that...its like watching tumbelweeds go by everytime a p51 is around, because you know there isn't going to be a dogfight.
You guys are running into the wrong P-51 pilots, I know a lot who are very skillfull and will dogfight you if required of them and are quite good at it.
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You guys are running into the wrong P-51 pilots, I know a lot who are very skillfull and will dogfight you if required of them and are quite good at it.
Since I came back in April of this year I can't recall 1 that stands out or tried to dogfight me, that's 8 tours. Generally speaking I am in a 20+ eny plane so there is no reason a P51 should ignore or run from me, almost always they BNZ or run.
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Note that the 51s that went to Korea were D models not Hs. Mainly because of the ord carrying capability but just the same, the H was a bit of a footnote in the Mustang book.
The D would have been chosen because it did the job, at the time they were a dime a dozen and had a plethora of D trained pilots and mechanics. Training new crews and supplying spare parts for H's would have been costly and a nightmare.
Using the H in Korea would be like mothballing all 15's, 16's, 14's, 18's, A-10's, and 52's for the Gulf War(s) and switch to using only new stuff like 117's, 22's, 35's, and B-2's.
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Since I came back in April of this year I can't recall 1 that stands out or tried to dogfight me, that's 8 tours. Generally speaking I am in a 20+ eny plane so there is no reason a P51 should ignore or run from me, almost always they BNZ or run.
There hasn't been a P-51 driver willing to mix it up since SkatSr stop playing.
ack-ack
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The D would have been chosen because it did the job, at the time they were a dime a dozen and had a plethora of D trained pilots and mechanics. Training new crews and supplying spare parts for H's would have been costly and a nightmare.
The H model was also considered unsuitable for the mission in Korea as it was far more vulnerable to ground fire than the D model.
ack-ack
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The D would have been chosen because it did the job, at the time they were a dime a dozen and had a plethora of D trained pilots and mechanics. Training new crews and supplying spare parts for H's would have been costly and a nightmare.
Using the H in Korea would be like mothballing all 15's, 16's, 14's, 18's, A-10's, and 52's for the Gulf War(s) and switch to using only new stuff like 117's, 22's, 35's, and B-2's.
you are comparing the difference between the P-51D and the P-51H between A-10's and B-2s. I dont think the difference was that big.. :headscratch:
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you are comparing the difference between the P-51D and the P-51H between A-10's and B-2s. I dont think the difference was that big.. :headscratch:
Although it is a big difference in time period, smoe does have a point....
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I take you 1 on 1 anytime my pony vs your 109, and I won't run or BnZ.
Im not saying you in particular dont but read the quote again ---> "most" <--- is the key word.
Occasionally yea one will start to really dogfight and do you know why? He ran out of E and altitude.
Since I came back in April of this year I can't recall 1 that stands out or tried to dogfight me, that's 8 tours. Generally speaking I am in a 20+ eny plane so there is no reason a P51 should ignore or run from me, almost always they BNZ or run.
I too stick to either a Brewster, Mossie, 38J, F4F, or the occasional Jug.
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Would have to agree, your average 109 stick is going to be a better fight and likely a better pilot than your average P-51 stick.
I've met a few good P-51 pilots and even had the pleasure of beating some. KrapGame was pretty good when he was still around, a lot of the 91'st were good in it, and so are some of the BK's (I think its the BK's anyway).
I'm capable in it, if not what you would call great, and it used to be my main ride before I went luft. I know it well enough to say that a lot of the whining is caused by people asking for the P-51 to tie their own hangmans nuse.
But still, one all's said and done, the average 109 is still going to be better than the average P-51.
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There hasn't been a P-51 driver willing to mix it up since SkatSr stop playing.
ack-ack
Bingo, Skat was a 51 Driver, sorry I couldn't remember him all these years, but he was unafraid to throw up a fight
regardless of the odds. I'd vote him and Rogent as the only 51 Drivers i can remember as "Dog fighters".
Not sure who "Wing" is, I'm guessing a carbon copy of Dallas until he steps out of the training wheel rides?
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There are 2 P-51s, 5 P-47s, 4 P-40s, 3 P-38s, 2 P-39s, 5 Hogs, 2 Wildcats and a Hellcat in the game, there are 6 Bf-109s and 5 190s, why are you complaining?
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plz stop whining, Mr Awsomeness.
America has more planes in game than the next three nations together.
Not enough, huh? lmfao
As for your fighting pony... since ive only seen two, you must be either DragonH5 or BigR. Or not? :D
Ill be back in a couple weeks. Will look for your awsome Luftwheenie-busting skills. Cheers!
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C.200 saetta :noid Gimmie now :noid
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There are 2 P-51s in the game, there are 6 Bf-109s, why are you complaining?
considering the operational length of the 109 from its E variant to the K variant, i would say that the 109 is justly represented.
I guess its the hordes of 51s and the super high alt runner types that I keep bumping into - its the reason I feel i am forced to fly the K4 when I would much prefer an earlier version. . . its a shame really, 51 is a fine plane, great in the scissor, stable and powerful and so many people use it to just pick and run. I hope that dedicated and proud 51 pilots do quality control.
As for the H variant - what will it really add? The D is already a fine plane and i think it represents the type well - the H will be a perked plane and end up in the same place the spit14 would be - the not quite tempest that is actually worse then its non-perked variant (unless flown with the most conservative flying style which while more accurate - is a lot less fun for all involved or dominate with pilots who could dominate with most planes anyway).
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The fighter with the most complete coverage is the P-47, not the Bf109 or Spitfire. How? It is covering half the years that the Bf109 and Spitfire have to cover, so it has denser per year representation.
As to the P-51, what we need for better P-51 representation is not a completely unrepresentative P-51A, but rather the Allison engined P-51A (.50 cals, not 20mms) and A-36. Add those two in and the P-51's coverage is complete. For the Bf109 we need a Bf109G-6/AS to cover the gap between the Bf109G-6 and G-14 and to give a Bf109 that can fight at altitude and is earlier than the Oct. '44 Bf109K-4. In the Spitfire line the only major gap is the lack of the Seafire Mk III.
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There hasn't been a P-51 driver willing to mix it up since SkatSr stop playing.
ack-ack
SkatSr told me he quit playing because they kept nerfing the P-51 year after year.
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SkatSr told me he quit playing because they kept nerfing the P-51 year after year.
Bah. That isn't true. The P-51, along with some other aircraft, took a hit when flap modeling was redone. There haven't been any changes since.
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Bah. That isn't true. The P-51, along with some other aircraft, took a hit when flap modeling was redone. There haven't been any changes since.
Bah. Doesn't matter! Sr was the best 51 stick I've ever flown with, and if he quit the game because he felt that way, I believe him.
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The fighter with the most complete coverage is the P-47, not the Bf109 or Spitfire. How? It is covering half the years that the Bf109 and Spitfire have to cover, so it has denser per year representation.
As to the P-51, what we need for better P-51 representation is not a completely unrepresentative P-51A, but rather the Allison engined P-51A (.50 cals, not 20mms) and A-36. Add those two in and the P-51's coverage is complete. For the Bf109 we need a Bf109G-6/AS to cover the gap between the Bf109G-6 and G-14 and to give a Bf109 that can fight at altitude and is earlier than the Oct. '44 Bf109K-4. In the Spitfire line the only major gap is the lack of the Seafire Mk III.
Thats easy, just take 4x 50s and a pair of 500lb bombs, their's your A51 mustang (dont fly above 15k either).
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Thats easy, just take 4x 50s and a pair of 500lb bombs, their's your A51 mustang (dont fly above 15k either).
Hardly.
The P-51 can only regain its alt by holding E in a non-aggressive climb. If it tries to match the vertical of a P-38 109K4 or any of the helicopter planes it loses badly. This is why it has the reputation of running when its really doing what it does best (i.e. kicking your butt out of the air).
Carry on.
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you guys underrated the P-51H! According to Wikipedia, it has a lot of improvements than the D version:
Compare! :furious
P-51D:
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 32 ft 3 in (9.83 m)
Wingspan: 37 ft 0 in (11.28 m)
Height: 13 ft 4½ in (4.08 m:tail wheel on ground, vertical propeller blade.)
Wing area: 235 ft² (21.83 m²)
Empty weight: 7,635 lb (3,465 kg)
Loaded weight: 9,200 lb (4,175 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 12,100 lb (5,490 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Packard V-1650-7 liquid-cooled supercharged V-12, 1,490 hp (1,111 kW) at 3,000 rpm;[78] 1,720 hp (1,282 kW) at WEP
Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0163
Drag area: 3.80 ft² (0.35 m²)
Aspect ratio: 5.83
Performance
Maximum speed: 437 mph (703 km/h) at 25,000 ft (7,600 m)
Cruise speed: 362 mph (580 km/h)
Stall speed: 100 mph (160 km/h)
Range: 1,650 mi (2,755 km) with external tanks
Service ceiling: 41,900 ft (12,800 m)
Rate of climb: 3,200 ft/min (16.3 m/s)
Wing loading: 39 lb/ft² (192 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.18 hp/lb (300 W/kg)
Lift-to-drag ratio: 14.6
Recommended Mach limit 0.8
P-51H:
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 33 ft 4 in (10.16 m)
Wingspan: 37 ft 0 in (11.28 m)
Height: 11 ft 1 in (3.38 m)
Wing area: 235 ft² (21.83 m²)
Empty weight: 7,040 lb (3,195 kg)
Loaded weight: 9,500 lb (4,310 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 11,500 lb (5,215 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Packard V-1650-9 liquid-cooled supercharged V-12, 1,490 hp (1,111 kW) at 3,000 rpm, 2,220 hp (1,655 kW) at WEP[81]
Performance
Maximum speed: 487 mph (784 km/h) at 25,000 ft (7,600 m)
Range: 1,160 mi (1,865 km) with external tanks
Service ceiling: 41,600 ft (12,700 m)
Rate of climb: 3,300 ft/min (16.8 m/s)
Wing loading: 40.4 lb/ft² (197.4 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.23 hp/lb (385 W/kg)
As I said, the P-51H has a lot of improvements over the D version. These improvements include the maximum speed, engine horsepower, empty and loaded weight are less, meaning that the fighter is lighter (rhymes), rate of climb, and maximum takeoff weight. Disadvantages are a few: maximum range is less 1,160 miles with external tanks, P-51H can only be loaded with 6 50-caliber machine guns (D version can be loaded with HVAR rockets and 1 bomb), and the wing loading on the P-51H is a little more than the D (with 40.4 lb/ft squared)
Regards,
Kenneth Jr. A P-51D lover :rock :salute
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you guys underrated the P-51H! According to Wikipedia, it has a lot of improvements than the D version:
Compare! :furious
P-51D:
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 32 ft 3 in (9.83 m)
Wingspan: 37 ft 0 in (11.28 m)
Height: 13 ft 4½ in (4.08 m:tail wheel on ground, vertical propeller blade.)
Wing area: 235 ft² (21.83 m²)
Empty weight: 7,635 lb (3,465 kg)
Loaded weight: 9,200 lb (4,175 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 12,100 lb (5,490 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Packard V-1650-7 liquid-cooled supercharged V-12, 1,490 hp (1,111 kW) at 3,000 rpm;[78] 1,720 hp (1,282 kW) at WEP
Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0163
Drag area: 3.80 ft² (0.35 m²)
Aspect ratio: 5.83
Performance
Maximum speed: 437 mph (703 km/h) at 25,000 ft (7,600 m)
Cruise speed: 362 mph (580 km/h)
Stall speed: 100 mph (160 km/h)
Range: 1,650 mi (2,755 km) with external tanks
Service ceiling: 41,900 ft (12,800 m)
Rate of climb: 3,200 ft/min (16.3 m/s)
Wing loading: 39 lb/ft² (192 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.18 hp/lb (300 W/kg)
Lift-to-drag ratio: 14.6
Recommended Mach limit 0.8
P-51H:
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 33 ft 4 in (10.16 m)
Wingspan: 37 ft 0 in (11.28 m)
Height: 11 ft 1 in (3.38 m)
Wing area: 235 ft² (21.83 m²)
Empty weight: 7,040 lb (3,195 kg)
Loaded weight: 9,500 lb (4,310 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 11,500 lb (5,215 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Packard V-1650-9 liquid-cooled supercharged V-12, 1,490 hp (1,111 kW) at 3,000 rpm, 2,220 hp (1,655 kW) at WEP[81]
Performance
Maximum speed: 487 mph (784 km/h) at 25,000 ft (7,600 m)
Range: 1,160 mi (1,865 km) with external tanks
Service ceiling: 41,600 ft (12,700 m)
Rate of climb: 3,300 ft/min (16.8 m/s)
Wing loading: 40.4 lb/ft² (197.4 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.23 hp/lb (385 W/kg)
As I said, the P-51H has a lot of improvements over the D version. These improvements include the maximum speed, engine horsepower, empty and loaded weight are less, meaning that the fighter is lighter (rhymes), rate of climb, and maximum takeoff weight. Disadvantages are a few: maximum range is less 1,160 miles with external tanks, P-51H can only be loaded with 6 50-caliber machine guns (D version can be loaded with HVAR rockets and 1 bomb), and the wing loading on the P-51H is a little more than the D (with 40.4 lb/ft squared)
Regards,
Kenneth Jr. A P-51D lover :rock :salute
Thanks for the info!
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Bingo, Skat was a 51 Driver, sorry I couldn't remember him all these years, but he was unafraid to throw up a fight
regardless of the odds. I'd vote him and Rogent as the only 51 Drivers i can remember as "Dog fighters".
Steve, GrmRpr, 0ldemon in days of yore.
Steves' gunnery (IMO was the best I've seen) made it so he didn't have to "dog fight" too often.
GrmRpr IMO possibly the best "all around" pony driver.
0ldemom could bend it the best and was the most aggressive.
Skat deffinitely paled in comparison but he was quite good none the less.
Rogent is good but not at this level yet. Semp (when he chooses to) and Alfamega among others currently the "standard bearers" and are pretty good.
JUGgler
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you guys underrated the P-51H! According to Wikipedia, it has a lot of improvements than the D version:
Compare! :furious
Never ever trust Wikipedia, sometimes it might be right, 99% it is wrong.
Oh and:
The P-51H was too late to see action in the war in Europe. By the late summer of 1945, some P-51Hs had been issued to a few operational units. These units were in the process of working up to operational status when the war in the Pacific ended with the Japanese surrender.
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OK
i want my Do-335/162 then. Would have made it to the front before the P-51H...
sillyness. Some aircraft just dont meet the criteria, doesnt matter how you twist it.
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OK
i want my Do-335/162 then. Would have made it to the front before the P-51H...
sillyness. Some aircraft just dont meet the criteria, doesnt matter how you twist it.
He162 does meet the criteria without any twisting.
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Actually it appears that we might eventually get this.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,325690.0.html
no we wont. this was before HTC had said no to planes which did not serve in combat
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There hasn't been a P-51 driver willing to mix it up since SkatSr stop playing.
ack-ack
when and where ackack? because im one of the few 51 drivers that will duke it out 3 vs 1 on the deck :aok
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I have to agree with the others if your lucky (like REALLY lucky) 1 in 10 pony's will stay and fight.....unless its a B they will generally fight.
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I have to agree with the others if your lucky (like REALLY lucky) 1 in 10 pony's will stay and fight.....unless its a B they will generally fight.
It comes down to the skill level of the pilot, someone like AKDogg will no doubt give you a run for the money (think he mainly flies a B?).
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Steve, GrmRpr, 0ldemon in days of yore.
Steves' gunnery (IMO was the best I've seen) made it so he didn't have to "dog fight" too often.
GrmRpr IMO possibly the best "all around" pony driver.
0ldemom could bend it the best and was the most aggressive.
Skat deffinitely paled in comparison but he was quite good none the less.
Rogent is good but not at this level yet. Semp (when he chooses to) and Alfamega among others currently the "standard bearers" and are pretty good.
JUGgler
Of the list there, OlDemon is the only one I ever found fighting in a 51 on the deck. he could really bend it. Steve flew it to it's advantages, but that meant above and fast. Not a criticism as he was good at it, but I rarely saw him bend it. BigR really bends the 51 well down low. TonyJoey was for a while too. not sure if he still flies it.
SkatSr flew more like Steve. I don't ever remember him bending his 51 much and I ran into him a lot in my 38 :)
Defining staying and fighting in a 51 is tough to do. I think the majority of folks in the 51 don't know how to do anything but go fast from up high. But as with any bird, there are those few who actually learn to fly it all the way.
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the H is like a copy of the D
-1, we could be using that creation time for much better things
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the H is like a copy of the D
-1, we could be using that creation time for much better things
No the H isn't a copy of the D. That would be the Dallas built K model you are thinking of. But I do agree with you. We don't need the H. If more Mustang variants are added, I'm with the folks who suggested the A36 and 4 50cal Allison 51. And of the two, I'd prefer the A36 first.
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There hasn't been a P-51 driver willing to mix it up since SkatSr stop playing.
ack-ack
I have been known to commit suicide in my pony on occasion but if you are looking for a modern day SkatSr search for a guy named Bluecoat. He has guts.
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I had fun helping and watching WldThing learn the pony. The pony is very capable... all planes are, really...
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I had fun helping and watching WldThing learn the pony. The pony is very capable... all planes are, really...
Agreed, the Pony is simply misunderstood. It has speed, and not perked, which is a great airplane for novice fliers. Its able to fly them into trouble and out of it without any real threat, problem is novice pilots don't know how to utilize a plane to its maximum effectiveness.
With some basic ACM, I would seriously hate to see a Pony in a dogfight.
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There hasn't been a P-51 driver willing to mix it up since SkatSr stop playing.
ack-ack
Mir was flying the 51D for quite awhile. Very willing to mix it up, and did well.
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Because most 109 sticks use a level of skill unlike most pony sticks who BnZ or run almost all the time.
Isn't running a form of defensive ACM?
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Isn't running a form of defensive ACM?
If the guy knows what he's doing in a BnZ it's not running. But most don't and their Z is into the next time zone :)
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Mir was flying the 51D for quite awhile. Very willing to mix it up, and did well.
He still flies it when we're not looking :)
I think the key is he, like BigR and some others, don't mind losing a fight or 6 to get better in a particular bird like the 51. In the end, what really do you have to lose by mixing it up? :)
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P-51H can only be loaded with 6 50-caliber machine guns
Regards,
Kenneth Jr. A P-51D lover :rock :salute
Only 4 .50s.
Where do you think some of the weight savings came from?
No the H isn't a copy of the D. That would be the Dallas built K model you are thinking of. But I do agree with you. We don't need the H. If more Mustang variants are added, I'm with the folks who suggested the A36 and 4 50cal Allison 51. And of the two, I'd prefer the A36 first.
6 .50cals.
4 in the wings and 2 in the fuselage/nose under the engine. (Mustang I/P-51 and A-36)
edit:
P-51/Mustang I --> 6 .50s, no underwing stores.
A-36 --> 6 .50s, bomb shackles and dive brakes.
P-51A/Mustang II --> 4 .50s and bomb shackles, no dive brakes.
wrongway
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...Dear god the egos of the luftweenies in this topic is staggering.
Ive had run-oh-nines bail out of a fight with me and run. Ive had 109K4's try to BnZ me, Ive been Hoed by plenty of 109s. Just today i was in a ponyB, had a 109g6 actually run to a spit9 to save his hide as soon as i got on his 6.
Im not the best pony pilot around, Im def not the best pilot around, but your precious run-oh-nines and run-ninetys have done the same tactics you mock the Ponys for doing. stop sticking your noses in the air like the luftwaffe iron is the god-sent of air combat aircraft. As far as ive seen, their no better than the "runstangs" you luftweenies complain about.
:salute
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109s are EZ mode
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Haha tyrannys, you seen a weak one toolin around in a 109... yea, there are weak ones in every ride. I know a couple 109 "only BnZ then run like the wind" types who think they are awsome. They are noones.
I can count on one hand how many "stayandfightstang" types ive ever seen. And yup, they will be respected.
In the other hand, most of the dedicated luft sticks will stay and fight. Its a fact.
The ones who are timid will be explotted from the "luftwheenie" community forever.
So please dont mix up the iron with the crap :aok
109s are EZ mode
after my 109 anything else is EZ mode :aok
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Haha tyrannys, you seen a weak one toolin around in a 109... yea, there are weak ones in every ride. I know a couple 109 "only BnZ then run like the wind" types who think they are awsome. They are noones.
I can count on one hand how many "stayandfightstang" types ive ever seen. And yup, they will be respected.
In the other hand, most of the dedicated luft sticks will stay and fight. Its a fact.
The ones who are timid will be explotted from the "luftwheenie" community forever.
So please dont mix up the iron with the crap :aok
after my 109 anything else is EZ mode :aok
Sorry deb, But now your contradicting yourself.
You guys basically label the p51 as a runstang due to the few you've run into that Dive and bail, pretty much ignoring the pony sticks that will stay around and fight it out.
But when someone comes around and labels your precious 109s as "run-oh-nines" because they've experienced the same runner types in the 109 that you guys have in the pony, your quick to jump at the opportunity of basically saying those people are "crap" and they dont deserve to be "mixed up" with you Uberwaffe peelots.
Sorry guys, but you cant have it both ways. Ether accept the label of run-oh-nine due to the group of 109 peelots that run from fights, or stop calling the p51 the "runstang" due to the group you've encountered who happen to run in it.
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Not as hard to ignore that handful of brave pony sticks who have hearth to fight. The "run-oh-nine" cowards will play pick and run in any plane given. The key is in the coward-brave ratio. You missed my entire post.
Tyrant, youre blinded by your own reflection. Have fun.
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Not as hard to ignore that handful of brave pony sticks who have hearth to fight. The "run-oh-nine" cowards will play pick and run in any plane given. The key is in the coward-brave ratio. You missed my entire post.
Tyrant, youre blinded by your own reflection. Have fun.
Lol. it seems like its just too hard for you to admit your pride and joy 109 isent as pure of a fighter as you want it too be.
If im blinded by my reflection, then your blinded by your pride.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsVXFpE7-s0
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Dolby, good stuff! :aok
Boo
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Enjoyed the film! <S>
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsVXFpE7-s0
if thats you in that mustang you need a <S> because not many out there do stay in that speed demon :aok
now im about to log in. youd better be there. i havent had a good 51 vs 51 fight in A LONG TIME!
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its about proportion - sure there are runners in all the late war planes, but there just seems to be a lot more 51 pilots who run. Its subjective for sure, but it seems to be a perception shared by a lot of people. I sincerely hope that perception will change over time because it is a great plane.
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i havent had a good 51 vs 51 fight in A LONG TIME!
I have great 51 vs 51 fights all the time, and some really good 51 vs 152 fights, but they usually happen around 20K+.
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I have great 51 vs 51 fights all the time, and some really good 51 vs 152 fights, but they usually happen around 20K+.
just had a few with ALFA last night thankfully. being killed in my 51 makes me feel better now :lol
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just had a few with ALFA last night thankfully. being killed in my 51 makes me feel better now :lol
I enjoy fighting ALFAMEGA--- it's always a fun and respectful engagement.
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if thats you in that mustang you need a <S> because not many out there do stay in that speed demon :aok
Yup, that was my StayandfightStang :)