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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: mthrockmor on December 27, 2011, 11:22:57 AM
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I know this is not going to happen but if Skuzzy and company decided to give us an ubber perk barn to choose from what birds should be included?
I start with...
F8F
F9F
P-51H
Dornier 335 Arrow
Spitfire Mark 21/22
Japanese delta wing pusher (forgot nomenclature)
What else?
Boo
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Fury/Sea Fury
Hornet/Sea Hornet
I don't really think this is a good idea though. Keep the focus on WWII. We don't need to constantly one up the existing aircraft with new additions. If that were to be the case, HTC should have started with 1939 planes and gradually added later ones instead of starting with the P-51D and N1K2-J.
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Sea Hornet +1
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Boo,
not a bad idea, just a few thoughts:
-there arent as many post-war prop fighters. They could be added as a separate arena (not to mix them with the classic WW2 planes). Or, only enable them in the DA.
-dont add jet fighters please
-no bombers please, just dogfight
F7F instead of the F9F
P-38K (or whatever the Merlin-equipped version called)
Hughes XF-11
Twin Mustang maybe
there was a developement of the Jug equipped by a big Chrysler in-line engine, XP-72 maybe, im not sure
that japaneese delta pusher wasnt as an über one, but a predecessor of a planned jet aircraft.
Ta-152C
Fw-190 D-13
2000Hp 109K (better fuel)
Supermarine Spiteful
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Fixed... :rolleyes:
Skuzzy is just the company's glorifed BaBySitter and network/computer guy (and he's awesome at this) :aok HT & Pyro do the coad, Superfly, waffle, greebo, et al do the art/skins. More or less... altho I'm sure there's some spillover being such a small tight-knit company.
I know this is not going to happen but if HiTech and company decided to give us an ubber perk barn to choose from what birds should be included?
I start with...
F8F
F9F
P-51H
Dornier 335 Arrow
Spitfire Mark 21/22
Japanese delta wing pusher (forgot nomenclature)
What else?
Boo
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With all the perks I have, I wouldn't mind blowing a few hundred for one of these rides.. especially the Do-335.
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The year is 1947. The wars in the Pacific and Europe continue to rage. The little-tested Uranium and the untested Plutonium bombs fail to destroy their targets over Japan. The Wehrmacht, relieved of the madness of Hitler after the successful coup of '44, has declared an armistice with Russia and shifts its focus toward the UK. New technology abounds in the skies, but who will emerge the victor?
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skyraider
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Hawker Woodcock
(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/PippinBill/10987.jpg)
Its a post (world)war(I) monster, capable of 142mph.
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:rofl
B-36
I don't even care what variant, as long as it had the can of whoop-ass in the bomb-bay :lol
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I defer to my "apex aircraft thread" from a few years ago. If we have an airframe, we should have the first and last versions of it, regardless of service.
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What I'd really like to see is folks learning to do more with less of a plane, then always wanting something just a bit more uber. In terms of performance we've already got birds that hit the upper end of propeller driven fighters. What you are asking for is just more of the same.
The last thing I hope HTC does is 1946. If they are going to do something post WW2 then a Korea arena would make more sense to me. At least there would be some history too it. You could have your Twin Mustang, Sea Fury, Seafire 47 etc. But you could also bet folks would spend the majority of their time in 86s or Mig 15s as they'd be the upper end performance birds in the arena.
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So wait... you're saying the B-29 outperformed the B-36?
:cry
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The last thing I hope HTC does is 1946.
No matter how much I'd love to fly my 335, I am on the same side here.
And if HTC would ever do any kind of "fantasy" arena, I would personally prefer a kind of "crimson skies", with very freely configurable planes.... :banana:
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P-38K (or whatever the Merlin-equipped version called)
There was never a P-38 produced with a Merlin engine and the P-38K was just a test bed aircraft. Hardly qualifies for a post war variant of the Lightning.
ack-ack
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Semi-hijack:
What ever became of those post-war monsters?
P-51H: Never saw combat. The P-51D did.
F8F: Never saw combat (French in Viet Nam, I know). The F4U's soldiered on.
Yak9UT: North Korea? Or were they Just 9U's?
F7F: Barely....
With the introduction of Jets, the "Uber" prop planes were quickly shoved aside.
Were they too "Uber" but not versatile enough for their own good?
wrongway
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Using a spinny thing out front will only get you going so fast, Using the big hair drier will get you a bit faster, using a big hair drier and highly swept wings will get you a bit more, using a big hair drier that dumps raw fuel into the exhaust along with a highly swept wing will let you win a race with your voice. Such is the story of the death of the monster prop fighter, speed and altitude were the goal in the 50's-70's.
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skyraider
+100 :aok
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Post war monsters huh??? How about a plane, that would be perfectly valid under the AH2 inclusion rules?
Do I need to say it? OK I will, since I didn't see anyone else speak up.. A26 Invader, so there.. LOL!
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F4U-4B/C
Take the performance of the F4U-4 and give it 20mm cannon. :O
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BF-109K4 C3 paweez. :D
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There was never a P-38 produced with a Merlin engine and the P-38K was just a test bed aircraft. Hardly qualifies for a post war variant of the Lightning.
ack-ack
Like this guy knows crap about a P-38......
:angel:
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The P-38K would have been produced except the WMB wouldn't let Lockheed shut down for 2 weeks to reconfigure the production line for its production.
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There was never a P-38 produced with a Merlin engine and the P-38K was just a test bed aircraft. Hardly qualifies for a post war variant of the Lightning.
ack-ack
Very true.... But it was just one less than the Ta 152C! ;)
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N1K2 also a low number ride
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I would limit this to those planes in squadron service, but that had seen little to no combat.
This would include:
P-51H
F7F-1N
F8F-1
Spitfire Mk.22
He 162A-1
Tempest Mk.II
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Meteor III!
Already in squadron service in 1945, but AFAIK the only victims were V-1's.
Yet there at the front and got mixed in fights as well.
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N1K2 also a low number ride
Not that low. About 415 of them were made. That is more than the P-47M, F4U-1C, C.205, Ta152, B.239, Ostwind or Whirbelwind.
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Planes that would have been awesome had they seen combat would be cool to have, but would also detract from the game. Back in the 90s I had Aces Over the Pacific and once I bought the expansion pack, I quit flying true ww2 planes.
That being said, yes they would be cool to have but we'd all get sick of them very quickly in the MA. Maybe if we were to introduce them we'd have to keep them in the DA or only bring them to the MA for special occasions. I think really though resources would be better spent developing other aspects of the game.
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A7M Reppu-Sam
(http://avionswwii.free.fr/images/avions/Mitsubishi_A7M/MitsubishiA7M_4.jpg)
(http://gustav.x-y.net/gallery/a7m1%281%29/a7m1%281%2902.jpg)
(http://forum.valka.cz/files/reppu_941.jpg)
(http://japaneseaircraft.devhub.com/img/upload/ukuykuykuky.jpg)
(http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/japan/mitsubishi_a7m.gif)
Variants:
A7M1 : Initial model powered by 1,491 kW (1,999 hp) Nakajima Homare 22 engine. Three built.
A7M2 : Revised version with 1,641 kW (2,201 hp) Mitsubishi Ha-43 engine. Five prototypes.
A7M3 : Proposed land-based fighter version with supercharged Ha-43 engine. Not built.
A7M3-J : Proposed land-based fighter version. Not built.
General characteristics:
Crew: 1
Length: 10.99 m (36 ft 1 in)
Wingspan: 14.00 m (45 ft 11 in)
Height: 4.28 m (14 ft 0½ in)
Wing area: 30.86 m² (332.2 ft²)
Empty weight: 3,226 kg (7,112 lb)
Loaded weight: 4,720 kg (10,406 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Mitsubishi Ha-43, 1,640 kW (2,200 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 630 km/h (339 kn, 390 mph) at 6,600 m (21,660 ft)
Cruise speed: 417 km/h (225 kn, 259 mph)
Service ceiling: 10,900 m (35,760 ft)
Endurance: 2.5 hr cruise + 30 min combat
Climb to 6,000 m (13,100 ft): 6 min 7 sec
Armament
Guns: * 2 × 20 mm Type 99 cannons
2 × 13.2 mm (0.52 in) Type 3 machine guns
The best Japanese aircraft of World War II in the words of Japanese ace Saburo Sakai in his book "Samurai".
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The IJN totally screwed the pooch in regards to the A7M. They kept insisting Mitsubishi have Horikoshi work on updating the A6M which delayed the A7M. Horikoshi told them it would not have the requested performance on the Nakajima Homare, but the IJN insisted that engine be used as the N1K was already using it and logistics would be easier if they shared the engine. The A7M1 with the Homare engine failed, by a wide margin, to meet the performance requirements of the IJN so they requested it be redesigned to take the big Mitsubishi Ha-43 that Horikoshi had originally wanted to use. All told the changing demands of the IJN probably delayed the introduction of the A7M by 12 to 18 months.
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I would sure be up for a post-WWII arena. Put it to the test.
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Not that low. About 415 of them were made. That is more than the P-47M, F4U-1C, C.205, Ta152, B.239, Ostwind or Whirbelwind.
I thought that # was the entire series.
N1K2-J Shiden-KAI
N1K2-J Prototypes: N1K1-Jb redesigned. Low wings, engine cover and landing gear modified. New fuselage and tail, 8 built
N1K2-J Shiden KAI (Violet Thunder, Modified) Navy Land Based Interceptor, Model 21: first model of series
N1K2-Ja,Model 21A: Fighter-bomber version. Four 250 kg (550 lb) bombs. Constructed by Kawanishi: 393, Mitsubishi: 9, Aichi: 1, Showa Hikoki: 1, Ohmura Navy Arsenal: 10, Hiro Navy Arsenal: 1.
N1K2-K Shiden KAI-Rensen (Violet Thunder Fighter Trainer, Modified) Trainer version of N1K-J Series with two seats, operative or factory conversions
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Many more N1K1-J were built, about 1000 as I recall without looking it up.
Compare that to the 100 or so P-47Ms, 100 (or was it 200?) F4U-1Cs, 250ish C.205s, about 45 Ta152s, about 50 Ostwinds, less than 100 Wirbelwinds and less than 50 B.239s. The Seafire Mk II and Me163, per the not entirely reliable wikipedia, would also be a bit lower production as 372 and 370 were built respectively.
As you can see, the N1K2-J does not exactly stand out for limited production in AH. For some reason people single out the N1K2-J as being egregious for low production numbers.
Edit: You bolded the 393 by Kawanishi, but if you added the other production listed for the N1K2-Ja per your data the total is 415.
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I misread the numbers.
423 total built according to Mondey, but he also says 190 Ta-152H-1s were built.
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I misread the numbers.
423 total built according to Mondey, but he also says 190 Ta-152H-1s were built.
The numbers I have always seen for the N1K2-J series is in the low 400s. The Ta152H-1 number I recall most often seeing is 47. Note also that the N1K2-J saw much more combat than did the Ta152 as it had an earlier entry into service and Japan fought on alone for five more months after Germany surrendered.
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I was under the impression that the Ta152 had a total of 7 confirmed kills (and probably some unconfirmed or reported as well)
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I was under the impression that the Ta152 had a total of 7 confirmed kills (and probably some unconfirmed or reported as well)
7 sounds about right.
How many did the N1K2-J have I wonder? I'd be willing to bet it is more than 7.
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(http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/Histories/Shinden/Shinden_2.jpg)
Anyone Mention the Shinden yet?
4 30mm Cannons :aok
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I don't think it would be a good use of resources and if introduced in the MA would destroy MA, and if in another arena, would go down the same path as WW1. Much rather see the main product developed - since it can use quite a few planes added - then another half complete arena like WW1.
The idea sounds fun, but a huge waste.
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How about that B-36, eh??
350-ish built, it sorta started in '41, it was the biggest, baddest, pwnest bomber ever built ( yeah that's right-- B-36>B-52) :D
Why not? Might be kinda fun :aok
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F8F :noid
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I thought that # was the entire series.
N1K2-J Shiden-KAI
N1K2-J Prototypes: N1K1-Jb redesigned. Low wings, engine cover and landing gear modified. New fuselage and tail, 8 built
N1K2-J Shiden KAI (Violet Thunder, Modified) Navy Land Based Interceptor, Model 21: first model of series
N1K2-Ja,Model 21A: Fighter-bomber version. Four 250 kg (550 lb) bombs. Constructed by Kawanishi: 393, Mitsubishi: 9, Aichi: 1, Showa Hikoki: 1, Ohmura Navy Arsenal: 10, Hiro Navy Arsenal: 1.
N1K2-K Shiden KAI-Rensen (Violet Thunder Fighter Trainer, Modified) Trainer version of N1K-J Series with two seats, operative or factory conversions
I want the N1K2 float plane, that would be a total blast :)
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Oh, how about the...... oh wait, nevermind. A post-wwII aircraft would just be a complete waste of resoures :bhead.
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What I'd really like to see is folks learning to do more with less of a plane, then always wanting something just a bit more uber. In terms of performance we've already got birds that hit the upper end of propeller driven fighters. What you are asking for is just more of the same.
The last thing I hope HTC does is 1946. If they are going to do something post WW2 then a Korea arena would make more sense to me. At least there would be some history too it. You could have your Twin Mustang, Sea Fury, Seafire 47 etc. But you could also bet folks would spend the majority of their time in 86s or Mig 15s as they'd be the upper end performance birds in the arena.
You hit the nail on the head Guppy and there were only 130 P-47Ms produced~ thought go into LW and you would guess that half of all the 15,686 P-47s built were Ms.
Korean jets will be cool for uberness and late model f4u-s, A-1 sky raiders, A-26s, F7Fs, La9s and 11's can all play when that happens :salute
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I think the Japanese pusher mentioned on the first page was the J7W1 Shinden.
+1 to that one
+1 to the F4U-4C as well! :banana:
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I think the Japanese pusher mentioned on the first page was the J7W1 Shinden.
+1 to that one
+1 to the F4U-4C as well! :banana:
+1 +1
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There was never a P-38 produced with a Merlin engine and the P-38K was just a test bed aircraft. Hardly qualifies for a post war variant of the Lightning.
ack-ack
Correct. There were no post war variants of the P-38 at all, as the contract was cancelled shortly after VJ day.
However, had the war continued into 1946 or later, odds are P-38 production would have almost certainly continued, as the contract was still open until after VJ day. At some point, given the G series Allison was being produced for the P-82, Allison production would have been converted almost entirely to the G series, and turbocharged version built. Further, the days of the Curtiss Electric propeller were already numbered, so the P-38 may well have transitioned to the Hamilton Standard High Activity propeller. There you have what amounts to a P-38K, although the actual letter designation would probably have been an "N", a "Q", or an "R", considering "M" was already taken by the night fighter variant. In fact, a P-38 equipped with G series engines, turbocharged, and fitted with the common late war 4 blade Hamilton Standard prop would have been a seriously nasty beast.
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I know, I know but now I hear about an ubber P-38? We've gotta do something about this. We've gotta consider a Monster arena.
Boo