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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: EVZ on January 15, 2012, 09:16:13 PM
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PLEASE! I'm not sure how well the Lancaster is modeled for the game, but I'm pretty sure it was never used as a close support dive bomber, or employed to carpet bomb CVs. I don't think it was ever rated for acrobatics. It -is- a very usefull aircraft, but in reality had such poor defenses that it was limited to night bombing after daylight raids suffered 50%+ casualties. In AH it's practically invulnerable. It's the ONLY bomber that can White Flag a town with a single formation. Not sure what's being done with it in LWA? But I noticed it was perked at 450 points in EWA today. I'd like (at least) to see those people pulling these stunts PAY (stiffly) for the privilege. I'm not sure what the perks earned for killing Lancs are? But they SHOULD be significant.
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+1 for it being perked, maybe not as much as EW but i think it should be perked
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I like the idea for the simple fact i think in the long run it would stop the bomb and bail dweebs in the arena. It does have the worst defense out of all the bombers in MW which is the only negative to perking it i can see. Some would argue the B17 or B24 should be perked but if you look at it from a usage standpoint perking the Lanc would have the biggest impact on game play in the arena. If anything it needs an ENY of like 5 or 10 to prevent the 10-2 horde from bringing in 4 sets to a Vbase against 2 defenders.
Now we will get the cries we are trying to change the game to suit our own style of play and not trying to make changes for the betterment of the game...... FLAME ON!
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Getting dive bombed by Lancs? Go fly CAP over whatever target its bombing, and stop whining.
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Lancasters = free kills. Perking them would be insane.
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In MWA, I agree. Maybe a 5-10 perk price, just to make sure people aren't doing the bomb n' bail thing.
However, the lancaster is in no way 'invincible'. Even 109E's should be able to kill them given a bit of altitude for some speed.
Butcher, if its 2 on 10 then thats a tall order. Killing 30 bombers with just 2 people? Maybe even killing 24 bombers with just 1 person if your buddy has to defend against GV attack?
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In MWA, I agree. Maybe a 5-10 perk price, just to make sure people aren't doing the bomb n' bail thing.
However, the lancaster is in no way 'invincible'. Even 109E's should be able to kill them given a bit of altitude for some speed.
Butcher, if its 2 on 10 then thats a tall order. Killing 30 bombers with just 2 people? Maybe even killing 24 bombers with just 1 person if your buddy has to defend against GV attack?
People are going to bomb and bail, its been around since Aces High started, perking it just means people will choose the next best option like the B-24 or B-17, so that doesn't help.
If its 2 on 30 bombers, then you should of brought more buddies, I was strictly talking a single set or two, which is more common then "30"
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You can't always bring more buddies in the MW arena. There not always that many people on.
Quite litterally, you're saying "sucks for you, should have taken it up with god". Our constitution is based on the principle that being strong (or in a possition of authority) doesn't mean you get to push the weak around.
And if its just a set or two.... yeah, no reason you shouldn't be able to take care of them.
But perk prices are intended to limit unbalancing aircraft, and the lancaster is a bit unbalancing in the MW arena. Quite often there aren't enough people opposing you to make heavy defensive armament nessecary, which means payload is the priority. The lancaster is the hands down best in that area, and in MW conditions, its a little bit unbalancing.
Therefore, the lancaster deserves a slight perking in the MW arena.
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A single Fw190, Bf110, Mosquito or P-38, all of which are readily available in the MWA, mean nigh certain death for the Lancaster formation. Perk units ought to have at least a modicum of survivability.
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People are going to bomb and bail, its been around since Aces High started, perking it just means people will choose the next best option like the B-24 or B-17, so that doesn't help.
If its 2 on 30 bombers, then you should of brought more buddies, I was strictly talking a single set or two, which is more common then "30"
I'm not quite sure you understand whats going on in MW. Many times in MW a full flight of lances will drop straight down from about 6-7 thousand feet losing its drones to bomb a GV or town center, and still pull out of it and swing back around and do it again. That and combined with the fact that EVZ already put forth.....
It's the ONLY bomber that can White Flag a town with a single formation.
its for these reasons that it should be perked
A single Fw190, Bf110, Mosquito or P-38, all of which are readily available in the MWA, mean nigh certain death for the Lancaster formation. Perk units ought to have at least a modicum of survivability.
you can survive in any plane as long as you smart enough to deal with the incoming enemy (190s have weak wings, 110s and p38s are big and aren't that agile compared to other planes)
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However, the Lancaster is in no way 'invincible'. Even 109E's should be able to kill them given a bit of altitude for some speed.
From someone who doesn't play the game? hasn't been in the MWA arena in ? how long ?
You're RIGHT when you say - SHOULD be able to kill them - ... unfortunately that's NOT the way it works in MWA. I watched from a Gun today while a Lancaster formation killed 3 top ranked pilots attacking it and flew away without even a fuel leak. Another formation of Lancs, blew off his drones after taking out 4 VH hangers and Dive Bombed my M-18. I was defending the map room. This run he came straight down the barrels of my quad 50s 800, 600, 400, 200, before pulling out ... and the 50s were shredding parts off his plane all the way. He dropped to late and his bomb didn't arm ... So I lived to fill his tail full of 50s as he zoomed ... no evident damage, no smoke ... Next run was a repeat of the 1st, but he dropped a little sooner ... keep in mind this is all being done between tight canyon walls and this Lancaster is pulling up and hammerheading like a spitfire ... He got me but his inept teammates blew the base take. Lancaster = IL2 with 14 -1000 lb bombs & 4 motors ??? PERK IT!
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It's either that or :cry
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You are new to the game, that is why you feel so victimized as demonstrated by all your posts. We all are when we start out and running endless m3s for your CO on late night milkruns will not make you a better player.
Slowly creeping up on the 6 of a box of lancs, even in your p-38 as you have experienced will get you killled in a hail of .303s every time, no matter what silly rank you or anyone else has in MW.
Learn how to play better and you won't have to keep making chicken little posts like this about how to make MW safer for you in your fragile little m16. Put out supplies and learn how to shoot a more durable vehicle: an osti or a wirb and the low lancs will be history. There is a famous story being featured on PBS about Lancs making extreme "low level" dam busting attacks~ incidentally 8 of the 19 did not make it back~ downed by ack and enemy fighters. Soon there will be two additional 88 guns defending v-bases, ports and airfieds as well.
Lancs are very vulnerable to anyone who uses a little technique to dispatch them and they are the most destroyed aircraft in every arena~ look at the statistics. They do not need to be perked, and furthermore they are unavailable when eny goes up.
One day you will be thrilled for the easy kills when low lancs come rolling though on the horizon.
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From someone who doesn't play the game? hasn't been in the MWA arena in ? how long ?
You're RIGHT when you say - SHOULD be able to kill them - ... unfortunately that's NOT the way it works in MWA. I watched from a Gun today while a Lancaster formation killed 3 top ranked pilots attacking it and flew away without even a fuel leak. Another formation of Lancs, blew off his drones after taking out 4 VH hangers and Dive Bombed my M-18. I was defending the map room. This run he came straight down the barrels of my quad 50s 800, 600, 400, 200, before pulling out ... and the 50s were shredding parts off his plane all the way. He dropped to late and his bomb didn't arm ... So I lived to fill his tail full of 50s as he zoomed ... no evident damage, no smoke ... Next run was a repeat of the 1st, but he dropped a little sooner ... keep in mind this is all being done between tight canyon walls and this Lancaster is pulling up and hammerheading like a spitfire ... He got me but his inept teammates blew the base take. Lancaster = IL2 with 14 -1000 lb bombs & 4 motors ??? PERK IT!
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Look Jr., I've been here since '06, and have played for over 90% of that time. Unless the gameplay has changed in the past 5-6 months (it didn't change in any significant way for 6 years, so change now is highly unlikely, especially without any major additions or adjustments to spark that change). I may be taking a break, but I know what the hell I'm talking about, which is more than you can say.
1) I find it highly unlikely that a lancaster killed 3 planes piloted by 'top ranked' pilots without taking damage.
2) If you had guns on a lancaster (and 4 .50's even) for over 1000yds of flight time, and failed to even get him smoking, the problem is that you can't aim for hell.
3) what in gods name does that have to do with the 109.
The lancaster is no where near as tough as an Il-2. Its got lots of bombs, and big bombs, and it has a strong airframe, but its not in any way invincible.
Finally, I was saying that if the weakest 109 (and one of the weakest fighters in MW, period) can kill a lancaster, you should have no problems killing a lancaster in a 109G2, or a 190A5 or something.
Oh, and P.S., I'm agreeing with the need to perk it. Yeah, you're blowing things WAY out of proportion.... but the lancaster is still slightly unbalancing in the MW arena.
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There is a famous story being featured on PBS about Lancs making extreme "low level" dam busting attacks~ incidentally 8 of the 19 did not make it back~ downed by ack and enemy fighters.
Right !!! a specially trained unit - of hand picked pilots - in heavily modified and strengthened aircraft ... A daring raid (may 17) ... what did it accomplish - "The end result was a loss of electrical power in the factories and many households in the region for two weeks." - "By 27 June, full water output was restored, and the electricity grid was again producing power at full capacity. - in fact no more than a minor inconvenience to the Ruhr's industrial output"
What did it cost? - 1,579 bodies were found along the Möhne and Ruhr rivers, with hundreds missing. 1,026 of the bodies found downriver of the Möhne Dam were foreign prisoners of war and forced-labourers in different camps, mainly from the Soviet Union. Worst hit was the city of Neheim (now part of Neheim-Hüsten) at the confluence of the Möhne and Ruhr rivers, where over 800 people perished, among them at least 493 female forced-labourers from the Soviet Union.
Ooooops!
~ look at the statistics.
Unfortunately? The statistics do not show how many MISSIONS are flown by the type, just the Kill/Death ratio which is roughly comparable to B-17s and B-24s. Being the Most Killed Bomber is to be expected when it's the most often USED Bomber ... I saw two B-17 formations today, probably 20 or 25 lanc formations, Can't remember the last time I saw anybody fly B-24s.
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You are new to the game, that is why you feel so victimized as demonstrated by all your posts. We all are when we start out and running endless m3s for your CO on late night milkruns will not make you a better player.
Slowly creeping up on the 6 of a box of lancs, even in your p-38 as you have experienced will get you killled in a hail of .303s every time, no matter what silly rank you or anyone else has in MW.
Learn how to play better and you won't have to keep making chicken little posts like this about how to make MW safer for you in your fragile little m16. Put out supplies and learn how to shoot a more durable vehicle: an osti or a wirb and the low lancs will be history. There is a famous story being featured on PBS about Lancs making extreme "low level" dam busting attacks~ incidentally 8 of the 19 did not make it back~ downed by ack and enemy fighters. Soon there will be two additional 88 guns defending v-bases, ports and airfieds as well.
Lancs are very vulnerable to anyone who uses a little technique to dispatch them and they are the most destroyed aircraft in every arena~ look at the statistics. They do not need to be perked, and furthermore they are unavailable when eny goes up.
One day you will be thrilled for the easy kills when low lancs come rolling though on the horizon.
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there is no reason to try and insult the guy. EV has more then proven that he does know what hes talking about, at least half time. He is trying to bring a good point to light. A heavy bomber that can dive bomb and not rip its wings off, or White flag a town by itself should be perked
btw there are only two planes (that i know off) in this game that WF a town with one formation, and one of them could probably WF with one plane
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What's better than a Lancstuka? A set of real Stukas :D Stuka hords
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You cant really listen to Seadog, he is the leader of the pack when it comes to bringing 4 sets of lancs to a base that the country only has 2 players on the be able to defend.
The fact the lancs carry so much ord is the main reason i back perking it, even just 10 per plane, or lower the ENY. Or even better do both. Having to bring a set of b17's or 24's that carry less ord per plane lowers the chance of total destruction of a base in one or 2 passes and gives the defenders a chance to defend. You cant drop all the hangers at a vbase, deack it AND have bombs left to bomb gv's out in any other set of bombers but Lancs.
The lanc is MW's version of the B29 in LW, minus the 50 cals so it should be perked and ENY'd as such.
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No offense...
Again... ...more discussion about MW and side numbers (balanced vs. unbalanced) vs. perking rides there...
Last few times I logged into MW, I saw even sided numbers. I know I had 4 guys that went Rook to side balance yesterday morning. Looked pretty even to me.
Many Lancs coming, accept the fact that the base is probably going away from you. Up a cannon plane and take as many down that you can and fly away...
MW is just fine. Want balance and perked rides? Come to LW. It is a ton of fun and lots of good people in there.
-1 on perking the Lanc in MW.
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It has been balanced more often in the last few weeks but there are still many times when its so lop sided not much can be done.
I agree with the perking of lancs even if numbers are even but thats just my opinion. Would give me something to use my 19481934 bomber perks on since i dont go to LW... LOL I think it would push guys into using some of the other bombers that are available more often.
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more discussion about MW and side numbers (balanced vs. unbalanced) vs. perking rides there...
No ... why do you prefer to talk about THAT than the aircraft or what's being done with it, specifically in the MWA? It's not an issue based on being out numbered. And it's not based on any particular sides tactics ... All 3 sides use the plane (almost exclusively) when taking bases ... It does the BEST JOB with the fewest bodys committed to the task. The planes modeling is abused by most experienced pilots who know WHAT can be done with it and HOW to do it ... regardless of which side they are on. It overshadows ALL the other bomber selections in MWA by a HUGE margin. It's abuse is also one of the most often heard complaints from MWA players, especially the RAW NOOBS who usually begin with "That Plane can't do THAT." (but it does). The statistics show it's almost exactly the same as the B-17 and B-24 in the Kill/Death Ratio ... That IS NOT CONSISTANT with statements that it's an EASY KILL or the reality of the planes history. There's plenty to talk about here besides Who out numbers who ... There's no reason to divert attention from these facts. (is there?).
Many Lancs coming, accept the fact that the base is probably going away from you. Up a cannon plane and take as many down that you can and fly away...
Or Just Log Off, go play some OTHER GAME and let you have another undefended base ... Expect to Lose and there's little chance you will do anything else ... WHY waste time fighting when you already KNOW you've LOST ??? (some folks seem to LIKE IT that way. How about you?)
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Perking the lancaster because of the way people use it isnt solving a problem... It's merely treating a symptom. It gets used the same way in LW.
Perhaps it isnt modeled correctly. It is an older plane in the AH arsenal and is in need of an update anyway. Perhaps it really can fly like that (doubtful)... and there just was never a reason for it to do so. Who knows. Im really not a fan of the Lancaster because it's defenses suck. Yes... they are easy to shoot down. Problem is, most people dont know how to attack bombers and live through it. Anyone who knows how and where to hit lancs can knock down all 3... in just 3 passes... sometimes less.
Perking it will make it a hangar queen, and restrict its use to people who have more perks than they know what to do with.
But... I am pretty much to the point I dont care what happens in MW any longer. The constant whining and complaining while I am in there isnt worth hearing.
Shuffler may be right. MW is dying... and now I am starting to think that a lot of it is due to the elitist attitude of some of the people that gather there... on all sides.
Have fun in MW... my visits there will be few and far between.
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It will not effect my use of Lancaster but I still vote no.
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would you say someone that points out the gamey tactics of others an "elitist" attitude? If so then I am totally coming off the wrong way and maybe need to figure out a way to explain my point of view.
Even when used in a manor that isnt considered "Gamey" by most the Lanc with its current ENY and lack of Perk in MW still unbalances the arena due to its weird population of players (lack of is what im getting at)
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@ EVZ - I hear what you are saying but I disagree with you. If you know how to attack bombers, Lancs are among the easiest to shoot down.
I am not the one that brought up the side numbers. I believe you did earlier while making an example. I am absolutely not referring to other threads I have seen on that issue.
My point is this... ...I vote NO for perking Lancs in MW. I have flown in MW enough to have an opinion, Bro. Like I said, no offense.
I am not knocking your "wish". Just explaining that MW has much to offer. If you get overwhelmed by lancs, up and shoot as many down as you can.
I attack bases. If they are undefended, it isn't my fault. It is the fault of the country that decided not to up. Before you say anything about nobody being on that country, I am referring to LW. I primarily fly LW. An example is last night, 3 of us took a base that was originally undefended, then it got crazy. Still 3 of us and we eventually took the base. Nobody in my squad is afraid of a fight. We encourage a fight, which is why we have been side switching in MW to try to help balance things out a bit. In the end, we will fly on whatever country we feel like flying on and in MW, we will fly Lancs, B17s, B26s, B24s, etc... among many other aircraft. We have plenty of points to pretty much fly any perked plane we want.
As far as MW, the sides change suddenly. It gets pretty boring in there more often than not, but when it is busy, it is a great place to be. I just simply don't think there is a reason to perk a lanc in MW. Simple as that.
I agree that people fly them in ways that are not historically correct, but then again, it is just gamey (gaming the game). I have seen a guy that can somehow drop all 4 hangers on a V base and kill 3 or 4 wirbles and a tank or two and still land all while going low and slow. I have no valid answer for that person's performance. However, it is what it is and I try to shoot them down as often as possible.
If you want realism, seriously consider flying FSO and AvA. Bombers are used as intended and get chewed up often.
But perking lancs in MW? I have to respectfully disagree...
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would you say someone that points out the gamey tactics of others an "elitist" attitude? If so then I am totally coming off the wrong way and maybe need to figure out a way to explain my point of view.
Even when used in a manor that isnt considered "Gamey" by most the Lanc with its current ENY and lack of Perk in MW still unbalances the arena due to its weird population of players (lack of is what im getting at)
Grumpy has a good point. Up the ENY on the Lanc... That may be the answer... Seriouisly. I agree with upping the ENY.
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I personally think it should be around 5 - 7.
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I personally think it should be around 5 - 7.
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You're RIGHT when you say - SHOULD be able to kill them - ... unfortunately that's NOT the way it works in MWA. I watched from a Gun today while a Lancaster formation killed 3 top ranked pilots attacking it and flew away without even a fuel leak.
Just because the "top ranked pilots" were shot down attacking a single Lancaster formation doesn't mean the Lancaster is perk worthy, it just means those "top ranked pilots" aren't as good as they think they are.
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From someone who doesn't play the game? hasn't been in the MWA arena in ? how long ?
You're RIGHT when you say - SHOULD be able to kill them - ... unfortunately that's NOT the way it works in MWA. I watched from a Gun today while a Lancaster formation killed 3 top ranked pilots attacking it and flew away without even a fuel leak. Another formation of Lancs, blew off his drones after taking out 4 VH hangers and Dive Bombed my M-18. I was defending the map room. This run he came straight down the barrels of my quad 50s 800, 600, 400, 200, before pulling out ... and the 50s were shredding parts off his plane all the way. He dropped to late and his bomb didn't arm ... So I lived to fill his tail full of 50s as he zoomed ... no evident damage, no smoke ... Next run was a repeat of the 1st, but he dropped a little sooner ... keep in mind this is all being done between tight canyon walls and this Lancaster is pulling up and hammerheading like a spitfire ... He got me but his inept teammates blew the base take. Lancaster = IL2 with 14 -1000 lb bombs & 4 motors ??? PERK IT!
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The last formation of Lancasters I encountered all died. I didn't even attack cautiously like I would against a B-17 or B-26. I am highly skeptical that any player would be able to take out three of the top players even if it included coming out of it with one pulverized Lanc left, let alone undamaged.
You lied.
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See Rule #4
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@ EVZ - I hear what you are saying but I disagree with you. If you know how to attack bombers, Lancs are among the easiest to shoot down.
Then I guess MOST players don't know how ... the numbers would seem to indicate that there is less than .1% difference in the KD ratio for lancasters, B-17s and B-24s.
I am not the one that brought up the side numbers. I believe you did.
I related an experience, I may have mentioned the odds ... there wasn't any issue about them.
We have plenty of points to pretty much fly any perked plane we want.
Most regular MW players do ... If Lancs get perked, we will all soon have LESS ... That seems to disturb some people.
I just simply don't think there is a reason to perk a lanc in MW. Simple as that.
That's fine, no problem, I never expected everyone to agree ...
I agree that people fly them in ways that are not historically correct, but then again, it is just gamey (gaming the game).
Perking the Lanc should put an end to a LOT of that, if not all. If & when the plane gets remodeled? the issue can be revisited.
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Perking the Lanc should put an end to a LOT of that, if not all. If & when the plane gets remodeled? the issue can be revisited.
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What do you expect the remodel to change? Lancasters were maneuvered hard during the war and while dive bombing in them is silly, nothing specific to the Lancaster is causing that. To stop that bombs on level bombers need to be droppable only from the F6 bombsight. Torpedoes and Ju88s excepted.
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If you want realism, seriously consider flying FSO and AvA. Bombers are used as intended and get chewed up often.
All the MA's are gamey~ the whole concept of allied planes and vehicles fighting with and against other allied and axis planes and vehicles requires major suspension of historical reality. Just enjoy it for what it is a gamey setup that can be a lot of fun for a wide range of people for different reasons~ whether they want to land grab, gv spawn camp, bomb**** or
alt monkey pick. There are many many ways to gain a gamey advantage and that will keep happening.
FSO enjoys excellent participation, and as a one life event with an assigned a/c it can make for a brief sortie.
Always surprised that FSO isn't more populated with all the history buffs involved in the game proporting to look for historically accurate setups. I guess people wanting their dream ride trumps it.
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gaming the game is an easy way to cover up ones lack of true skill...... Take it however you want.
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Again, a lot of ppl are forgetting the other major point of this thread, "able to WF a town with one formation." That alone should make it perk worthy, and when you add the fact that (in game) it can do some of the things that we have seen it do (in game). Honestly i would like to see it perked at a base of 10-15, but any perk price would be a step in the right direction
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Again, a lot of ppl are forgetting the other major point of this thread, "able to WF a town with one formation." That alone should make it perk worthy, and when you add the fact that (in game) it can do some of the things that we have seen it do (in game). Honestly i would like to see it perked at a base of 10-15, but any perk price would be a step in the right direction
Have you bothered to look into the stats.
If you had, you would see that the Lanc gets pwned by almost everything, and in alarmingly high numbers.
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You can't always bring more buddies in the MW arena. There not always that many people on.
Quite litterally, you're saying "sucks for you, should have taken it up with god". Our constitution is based on the principle that being strong (or in a possition of authority) doesn't mean you get to push the weak around.
And if its just a set or two.... yeah, no reason you shouldn't be able to take care of them.
But perk prices are intended to limit unbalancing aircraft, and the lancaster is a bit unbalancing in the MW arena. Quite often there aren't enough people opposing you to make heavy defensive armament nessecary, which means payload is the priority. The lancaster is the hands down best in that area, and in MW conditions, its a little bit unbalancing.
Therefore, the lancaster deserves a slight perking in the MW arena.
The constitution is a whole lot more about who gets the money than protecting the weak.
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I love to see lancs coming , the more the better!!! 4 sets would be just about perfect for me in a jug or mossie or 110. Why on earth would anyone want to perk the easiest target in the midwar sky?????
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See Rule #4
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Have you bothered to look into the stats.
If you had, you would see that the Lanc gets pwned by almost everything, and in alarmingly high numbers.
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If your going to quote/dispute my reply at least bother to refrence what i actually typed up
Yes it is true that the "majority" of Lancs get "pwned", but the reason why they are the "majority" is because they are the most used. And yes it is true that they have a really bad defensive armament and that doesn't stop ppl from upping them, but the way that Lancs can dive/roll/loop (yes loop), and bring down towns left and right. That is why I and others would like them to be perked
BTW: Lancaster IIIs currently suffer from a 0.30 kill/death ratio, but as far as i can tell the statistics don't show us how much damage the Lancs actually cause per flight or total. If there is a way to find this out pls let me know and i will bring the numbers to this forum, but i can tell you now that most flights to a town get anywhere from 12,000 to close to 15,000 points of damage
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Have you bothered to look into the stats.
Why, Yes! I have !!! Do the math on Midwar Kill/Death Ratio and you will see (as of yesterday) the B-17 and B-24 have roughly an 8% advantage over the Lancaster ... I suspect that may be due to our dear Dead Poets fondness for the steady stream of 30,000ft+ B-17s? I'm not sure WHO is flying 24s ... IF the KD ratio is at all indicative of total missions flown? It would seem that the Lancasters fly 4 or 5 times as many missions as the 17s or 24s. I'm sure PART of the popularity is due to a payload that can white flag a town all by itself ... but I think the "GAMEY" -look at my A-10 lancaster- aspect accounts for a bit of it too ... BOTH are GOOD reasons for it to be perked (minimum 25 - 50 points I'd say) ... it was 450 perks in EW when I checked ... but I should really look again and make sure that wasn't an ENY fluke.
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If your going to quote/dispute my reply at least bother to refrence what i actually typed up
Yes it is true that the "majority" of Lancs get "pwned", but the reason why they are the "majority" is because they are the most used. And yes it is true that they have a really bad defensive armament and that doesn't stop ppl from upping them, but the way that Lancs can dive/roll/loop (yes loop), and bring down towns left and right. That is why I and others would like them to be perked
BTW: Lancaster IIIs currently suffer from a 0.30 kill/death ratio, but as far as i can tell the statistics don't show us how much damage the Lancs actually cause per flight or total. If there is a way to find this out pls let me know and i will bring the numbers to this forum, but i can tell you now that most flights to a town get anywhere from 12,000 to close to 15,000 points of damage
I did...I quoted you, just as I am doing now.
So you agree that the lancs essentially get hacked from the sky on a constant basis, but you are essentially saying it's really awesome and needs perks to control it's use.
But seeing as you agree that they get shot down in droves...
Are you seeing the part why I think this makes little sense?
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the statistics don't show us how much damage the Lancs actually cause per flight or total. If there is a way to find this out pls let me know and i will bring the numbers to this forum, but i can tell you now that most flights to a town get anywhere from 12,000 to close to 15,000 points of damage
And those damage points = BIG PERK Bonuses! For those who don't know ... Wht Flag on a town = approx 15,000 damage.
What I want to know is WHERE are these stats on how many Lancasters are Upped and what percentage of them are KILLED I keep hearing about ...? I don't see em? ARE they actually available or is this just more, that's what I thunk - hillbilly math?
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And those damage points = BIG PERK Bonuses! For those who don't know ... Wht Flag on a town = approx 15,000 damage.
The Lanc has an ENY or 15 and an OBJ of 5. No that is not going to give you big perk bonuses
What I want to know is WHERE are these stats on how many Lancasters are Upped and what percentage of them are KILLED I keep hearing about ...? I don't see em? ARE they actually available or is this just more, that's what I thunk - hillbilly math?
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I didn't post any made up numbers at all. There was no hillbilly math involved at all. Except in your previous post when you stated the lanc has a .30 kill death, and you said that most flights to a town get between 12k and 15k points of damage.
Tour 143 LW Kills Deaths K/D
Lancaster III 4269 17204 0.25
and total for 2011 ref: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,326962.0.html
Lancaster III K/D .23
Incidently last tour the Lancaster is only behind the P51D in getting the dubious title for most destroyed aircraft.
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Tour 143 LW Kills Deaths K/D
Lancaster III 4269 17204 0.25
Incidently last tour the Lancaster is only behind the P51D in getting the dubious title for most destroyed aircraft.
Ok ... but that number is meaningless unless we know HOW MANY TIMES it was upped. Most Flown Plane probably SHOULD be the most killed plane. AND - This ain't Late War dude ... No 262s, 51Ds, D-7s, TA152s, etc. around here for bomber killing.
Except in your previous post when you stated the lanc has a .30 kill death, and you said that most flights to a town get between 12k and 15k points of damage.
I think you're confusing Myself and Talos about who posted what. But I'd agree approx 12K-15K points for a Successfull Lanc attack on a town by a pilot who knows what he's doing. (YMMV).
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Ok ... but that number is meaningless unless we know HOW MANY TIMES it was upped. Most Flown Plane probably SHOULD be the most killed plane. AND - This ain't Late War dude ... No 262s, 51Ds, D-7s, TA152s, etc. around here for bomber killing.
I think you're confusing Myself and Talos about who posted what. But I'd agree approx 12K-15K points for a Successfull Lanc attack on a town by a pilot who knows what he's doing. (YMMV).
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Yup, I did. *eyes beer :uhoh* I meant to use this quote,
"And those damage points = BIG PERK Bonuses! For those who don't know ... Wht Flag on a town = approx 15,000 damage."
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Yup, I did. *eyes beer :uhoh* I meant to use this quote,
"And those damage points = BIG PERK Bonuses! For those who don't know ... Wht Flag on a town = approx 15,000 damage."
Well, ya know, a humble hillbilly like me thinks the perks for a 14,000+ point mission that white flagged a town ARE pretty significant ...
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The Lancaster is about the worst bomber you could use to farm perks. Its OBJ is extremely low, it is slow, climbs horribly and is a free kill to any fighter that encounters it. 15,000 damage points mean little in terms of perks when you are flying something with such a low OBJ rating.
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I don't think I've ever gotten more than 4 or 5 perks for a lanc mission. At the most, but I don't really look all that often , if I wanted perks,,, I'd fly the Betty !!!
If I wanted to survive and get some kills, I'd fly the KI 67
The reason you shut a field down with lancs is because otherwise, any decent stick could up and kill them!
Killing a town with a single set of lancs and all it's guns , while fighting off any fighter, is not an easy job for even the most experienced bomber drivers!
It is no harder for 4 sets of b-17s or 24's to take down a town than it is for 4 sets of lancs but they are much harder to attack !!! Perk the lancs and your fighter will get shot down much more often than before!
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My first ever 3 in one pass was a set of lancs in MW. The Mossie chewed them a new one.
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My first ever 3 in one pass was a set of lancs in MW. The Mossie chewed them a new one.
Like I said!!!!!!!
Why on earth would anyone want to perk the easiest target in midwar??? Or the game for that matter?
The lancs were the first planes I regularly shot down for the first year or more of playing,
if I see lancs nowadays and I'm in a jug, I don't even bother with trying to protect myself and dive right into the tail of them, usually killing all three in one or two passes , it is more fun tho to take the wing tip off the lead bird and watch the pilot fight it while you chew up the others!
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Are you seeing the part why I think this makes little sense?
not to worry i do understand your point of view in fact i understand most of the points of view from other members who posted in this thread. Most of the posters fly almost strictly LW with almost no sorties in MW, and a very select few of the posters in this thread (such as myself) fly almost exclusively in MW with a few sorties in LW. While an even smaller group of posters haven't even played in over a few months. Now this is all fine, you do what you gotta do, you play what you wanna play, but i don't think you can make a sound judgement about the MW arena. The statistics only tell you half of the story.
(pls keep in mind we are only asking that it is perked in MW not LW)
I'm not sure WHO is flying 24s
Tony and I where doing a few maritime patrols
Perk the lancs and your fighter will get shot down much more often than before!
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I'm not sure i follow you
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This thread demonstrates more than anything why my wish for a different wish list forum for each arena. All these late war guys are arguing and throwing out Late war stats.... If you would read the title this was a Mid War request. Perking or lowering the ENY for the lanc in Late war would be insanely stupid but thats NOT what was asked. No one from LW will understand the request, good or bad, for MW because they just dont understand the dynamics of MW.
Having the current ENY and 0 perk cost of the Lanc in MW INHO is the same as if you were to let the B29 be free in LW. Guys would be dive bombing, bailing left and right, it would be used just as the lanc is in MW. Without looking at stats, cause i just dont have the time, i would guess Lancs have a much higher survival rate in MW then LW. But you also have to remember we dont have a long list of canon wagon planes to shoot them down nor is it usually a group of fighters attacking them. 90% of the time its 1 plane attacking them while in a lot of cases the only 2 other defenders on the country period are down low watching the town. And more times then not the Lanc has a high fighter escort or 2 because of the number unbalance the arena has had for such a long time so the single plane trying to kill the bombers usually gets picked off while trying to do so.
My main point is the LW guys will never understand why MW guys ask for certain things. They will sound insanely dumb from a LW point of view, you have to pay attention and see it is NOT a LW request.
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Really ... you know a lot about midwar skies? you flown 2 1/2 hrs in midwar, and killed -0- lancasters this month ... out of 21 missions flown (all types/all planes) you managed to land 2 of them ... Impressive ... I did take a peek at your LW stats, at the rate YOU loose em, you can't AFFORD perked lancasters.
:lol
Look back... over many, many tours and years. He, and most of us have been flying midwar longer than you have been playing this game. You have a lot to learn... about a lot of things.
You are also one of the rudest and most belligerent posters on these forums. People might actually listen to you if you were a little nicer. But that is probably beyond your abilities. It's amazing how full of themselves people get when behind a keyboard.
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I've got nearly half the total kills for MW B24's this tour and I have only flown a week of it, they are deadly. 44 out of the 92 kills including a box of lancs which I swooped down on, gamey as h*ll but fun. LtPappy and I had a good laugh about it, we also had a fun dogfight between B-26s and Lancs. He turned that last lanc very well, we both almost snapped wings off and in RL probably would have<S>
~Lost the base as solo defender v 6 Bish (Grumpy and co w 2 sets of lancs 3 fters and m3 v 1 nit :eek: :eek:) goofing off, but the silly non historical fight w LtPappy was very worth it just for the entertainment.
It doesn't matter if you lose a base or two EVZ, especially when you are vastly outnumbered which happens to every side somewhere on the clock in MW~ it's just a silly fantasy game, everyone gets the numbers advantage at some point without switching sides. People log in and out, and in the case of nits seems like there are always 2-3 perpetual afk players logged in.
You can WF a town w B24's and deack it too strafing blg and guns w the ball turret, I've done it several times. You can deack a port, take out the vh and still have ord for gvs the same way too. And for the record, the buffs with the .50s beat the Lancs every time, leave'em alone, they don't qualify as a perk ride in MW~ EW yes, because they were rare and enemy firepower was far less.
By MW Bf-110s were used almost exclusively night fighters and A-20s were never used extensively as flapped out turn fighters or BnZers either~ stop trying to micro manage the arena~ there is no end to the clever "wrong" ways people will play the game. HTC has better ways of devoting their resources to improve the game~ mainly adding new relevant historical aircraft, which hopefully will find their way into AvA, scenarios and FSOs to be less abused.
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You are also one of the rudest and most belligerent posters on these forums. People might actually listen to you if you were a little nicer. But that is probably beyond your abilities. It's amazing how full of themselves people get when behind a keyboard.
EVZ is actually a very nice guy, I've spoken to him several times both on and off the game, but the thing is when ever one of your posts gets picked apart and torn out of context (repeatedly) you tend to get a bit "rude & belligerent". Lord knows I've felt that way before and i'm sure you and a few of the other ppl here have felt
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I'm not sure i follow you
Well, you don't have to FOLLOW him for long - Taka-taka-Boom! - There he goes again !
:devil
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You are also one of the rudest and most belligerent posters on these forums. People might actually listen to you if you were a little nicer.
Lets see ... who was it said - "do not suffer fools gladly." ??? Buhler ? Buhler ? Buhler ???
:ahand
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This thread demonstrates more than anything why my wish for a different wish list forum for each arena. All these late war guys are arguing and throwing out Late war stats.... If you would read the title this was a Mid War request. Perking or lowering the ENY for the lanc in Late war would be insanely stupid but thats NOT what was asked. No one from LW will understand the request, good or bad, for MW because they just dont understand the dynamics of MW.
What late war stats? We're all talking about aircraft in mid-war. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with them a bit better so you know how potent mid-war fighters are. The Bf110G-2, Mosquito Mk VI and P-47D-11 are all available in the MWA and they will all rip a formation of Lancasters to pieces.
That the kill of a Lancaster formation I had in a Mossie happened in the LWA is completely irrelevant as both aircraft perform exactly the same in the MWA.
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What late war stats? We're all talking about aircraft in mid-war. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with them a bit better so you know how potent mid-war fighters are. The Bf110G-2, Mosquito Mk VI and P-47D-11 are all available in the MWA and they will all rip a formation of Lancasters to pieces.
That the kill of a Lancaster formation I had in a Mossie happened in the LWA is completely irrelevant as both aircraft perform exactly the same in the MWA.
I think you need to back off just a little bit. I am very familiar with what goes on in MW, im there every day, have been for over 5 years now. When was the last time you were there? If you flew in MW on the low sided team EVERY DAY you may understand why this request was made but you dont so you wont. Im not saying what was requested should be implemented but I can understand why it was asked for.
Tour 143 LW Kills Deaths K/D
Lancaster III 4269 17204 0.25
Incidently last tour the Lancaster is only behind the P51D in getting the dubious title for most destroyed aircraft.
These are the LW stats I was talking about that were post by a LW player such as yourself. You havent had one positive thing to say about a post for an arena that you dont even play in. Contribute in a constructive way on move on. This is the exact reason most guys play in MW and not LW.
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PLEASE! I'm not sure how well the Lancaster is modeled for the game, but I'm pretty sure it was never used as a close support dive bomber, or employed to carpet bomb CVs. I don't think it was ever rated for acrobatics. It -is- a very usefull aircraft, but in reality had such poor defenses that it was limited to night bombing after daylight raids suffered 50%+ casualties. In AH it's practically invulnerable. It's the ONLY bomber that can White Flag a town with a single formation. Not sure what's being done with it in LWA? But I noticed it was perked at 450 points in EWA today. I'd like (at least) to see those people pulling these stunts PAY (stiffly) for the privilege. I'm not sure what the perks earned for killing Lancs are? But they SHOULD be significant.
:salute
Also if you had actually read the original post it says nothing about how hard the bomber is to shoot down but how "gamers" use it to "game the game".
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grumpy37,
The 420 kills to 1409 deaths the Lancaster had in MW Tour 143 sure was better, Kill/Death ratio wise, wasn't it? Yeesh.
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Lets see ... who was it said - "do not suffer fools gladly." ??? Buhler ? Buhler ? Buhler ???
:ahand
You arent worth my time... thanks.
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grumpy37,
The 420 kills to 1409 deaths the Lancaster had in MW Tour 143 sure was better, Kill/Death ratio wise, wasn't it? Yeesh.
you are looking at this from a paper stat and thats it. Like i said, you need to be in this arena to understand why the wish was made, thats all. No one else will understand why. I dont mean to be rude or disrespectful to anyone but it seems LW guys are over looking the entire point of the original post. It has gotten way off topic as it is.
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It has a .25 kd in late war
It has a .29 kd in mid war
Hardly any difference at all
I shoot them down in late war!!!
I shoot them down in mid war!!!
I even use the same planes. Jugs, typhoon, mossie, 110
Karnak is right, even if he doesn't fly mid war, if he did fly mid war low numbered side tho, he would have a lot of lanc kills I bet ,,, and it's kd would be more like .25 or less
My guess is that some of the mid war defenders need to get some air combat training and learn how to kill them, then learn some stratigy and figure out where they are goin to be and be there waiting for them,,, then do some recruiting and find some more help, you could intice them with all the perk points you are currently trying to remove!
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OK, so for those that are saying 'don't perk the lanc'..... why?
1) you say its easy to kill: clearly thats not a big issue for the lanc pilots in MW, or they would be flying something thats has better defensive armament
2) you say its slow, and poor climbing: Yeah, its a bomber. Most bombers are slow, and ALL but the mossie are poor climbing. But the lanc carries more than double the bomb load of a B-17. All that weight is going to come at a price
3) it IS unbalancing, at least in MW, when the preformance gap is, if not small, at least smaller. WF a town in one pass, destroy all the hangers at a small base (maybe medium or even large base too, not sure), GV's only AA vehicle is the M16.
Yes, perk it in MW. Not heavily perked mind you, but just something like 3-4, maybe even 5 perks. No bomb n' bail if you want to keep your perks, no doing idiotic (if effective) crap with it that will get you killed if you want to keep your perks.
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Everyone has the same option to do whatever with Lancs. So where is the problem?
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3) it IS unbalancing, at least in MW, when the preformance gap is, if not small, at least smaller. WF a town in one pass, destroy all the hangers at a small base (maybe medium or even large base too, not sure), GV's only AA vehicle is the M16.
The Lancaster is not an unbalancing factor in the MW, it never has been nor will it in the future.
ack-ack
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Everyone has the same option to do whatever with Lancs. So where is the problem?
LOL Really? 5 pages of responses and thats all you can come up with? I would expect a lot more from a daily player in MW even if you are on the side that has the 10-2 advantage, or is that why you dont have a problem with it anyway?
I would push for the lowering of the ENY to 5. My reason is simple, the ability for 1 player to bring that much ord at one time is equivalent to the typhs cannons or ubber UFO properties the spits have or the reason any other 5 ENY plane has its ENY set to 5. If you have a double or more the available players to attack you should be limited to a bomber that holds less bombs so you have to put more of your available players in bombers to achieve the same goal. Isnt this the point of ENY?????? To so called level out the playing field by giving the higher number side so called lower quality or ability planes because their sheer numbers should be able to over come this? Everyone keeps saying the Lanc has crapy defenses and no one is arguing that point, its the payload that it can carry.... this is what gives it a serious advantage over any other bomber in MW and why its the most used bomber.
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The Lancaster is not an unbalancing factor in the MW, it never has been nor will it in the future.
ack-ack
Its about the only bomber thats used in there.
It can carry almost twice the ordnance of any other bomber (in MW).
It can WF a town in one pass.
Its not a whole hell of a lot more vulnerable than any other bomber, about the only other difference is that it tickles attackers instead of pinching them.
I'll admit that unbalancing might be a bit strong to describe it, but what would you call it
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Its about the only bomber thats used in there.
It can carry almost twice the ordnance of any other bomber (in MW).
It can WF a town in one pass.
Its not a whole hell of a lot more vulnerable than any other bomber, about the only other difference is that it tickles attackers instead of pinching them.
I'll admit that unbalancing might be a bit strong to describe it, but what would you call it
I wouldn't call it anything as it doesn't have a negative effect on the game play in the arena.
It's vulnerabilities more than offset it's only true asset (bomb load) that hardly make it the uber bomber some are trying to make it out to be.
The only thing that I am getting from that that wish to perk the Lancaster is there are a bunch of people in the MW arena that are utterly clueless on how to intercept, let alone shoot down a Lancaster.
I guess some will always want to perk what they can't shoot down.
ack-ack
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you are looking at this from a paper stat and thats it. Like i said, you need to be in this arena to understand why the wish was made, thats all. No one else will understand why. I dont mean to be rude or disrespectful to anyone but it seems LW guys are over looking the entire point of the original post. It has gotten way off topic as it is.
That's what these guys do Grump, disrupt for the sake of disrupting ... I got no problem with people who disagree, even if -I- don't see any validity ... They're perfectly welcome to their point of view and their right to present it ... But if I say black, these guys SCREAM WHITE ... If I say white, they scream GREEN ... You may not have noticed, but they just initiated a thread asking that some 7 year old KID be evicted from the BBS, he annoys them.
:uhoh
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Its about the only bomber thats used in there.
It can carry almost twice the ordnance of any other bomber (in MW).
It can WF a town in one pass.
Its not a whole hell of a lot more vulnerable than any other bomber, about the only other difference is that it tickles attackers instead of pinching them.
I'll admit that unbalancing might be a bit strong to describe it, but what would you call it
1) Agreed... it is used more than any other bomber in MW. But that isnt really relevant to the issue.
2) Agreed... it carries more ordinance than anything in ANY arena except the B-29.
3) Hmmm... not sure on that. I have never seen a single formation WF a town in one pass. Not enough of the town is able to be hit in one pass to WF it due to how the town is laid out. I think what people are saying is a single formation can WF a town on its own... but I am pretty sure it takes at least 2 passes.
4) That I do disagree with. The underbelly is totally vulnerable due to no ball turret... but its real weakness lies in 2 areas. The wing root, and the cockpit. A good solid cannon hit or two where the wing meets the fuselage will snap it off. One in the cockpit will blow them up due to the pilot being killed. They way the cockpit is set up they can easily be hit by a fighter diving on them from just about any angle. This is different than any other heavy bomber in the game. Combine that with the .303's instead of .50's... and its a turkey.
Its also been mentioned that it's climb rate is horrible... which it is. Yes... its due to its payload. So those somewhat balance each other.
Its been mentioned that you can land 14,000 damage points in it. You can do that in a B-17 or a B-24 formation also. Did it last night as a matter of fact... and it isnt that hard.
I am not a lancaster fan... I prefer the B-24 for a heavy bomber for its defensive capabilities, and with 12 500lb bombs instead of 8 1000's... I can darn near white flag a town too. Its not the size of the ordinance that matters when taking out a town. Its placement and pattern. It only takes 250lbs of ordinance to drop a building. A 500lb bomb give you enough firepower to take out 2 or 3 buildings per bomb if they are close enough. The blast radius on a 1000lb bomb doesnt give you that much more of an advantage when hitting a town.... and the explosive power is wasted. For those that play for score... try using better placed, smaller bombs on towns... and watch your score go up.
But anyway... my point is that its not the abilities of the lancaster that are causing the problem everyone here is complaining about. The amount of ords it carries really is overkill... and unneeded just for taking down a town.
Perking it would be a waste in my opinion. Lowering its ENY to 5 or so? Not a bad idea. But other bombers will be used in its place that can just as effectively take down a town... and can defend themselves better. I dont think it will fix anything.
What would be a good fix... for ALL bombers with an internal bay... it to have the angle at which they can release their bombs limited as they should be. Every bomber with an internal bay has a maximum dive angle at which bombs can be released, and still clear the bay. As it is now, you can even release bombs inverted and they still come out. Try that in real life... dont think so. If they modeled that in... the days of the "lancstuka" would be over.
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3) depends on what you call a 'pass' there may be some luck and zig zagging involved, I've seen that it can WF a town without extending past the town and circling back.
4) Other bombers aren't a whole lot harder to shoot down, which is the point. YES its horribly vulnerable compared to a fighter, but its not horribly vulnerable compared to another bomber. With a lancaster you can pretty much just wade through the fire to kill it if your willing to take some damage in return. But if you want to kill one without taking damage to the point that you'll be shot down by the second or third set, you still have to be smart about attacking them.
Being smart with a lancaster isn't all that much harder than being smart with a B-24.
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It can WF a town in one pass.
If you are basing this on what -I- said, there's a little misunderstanding ... 1 formation can white flag a town ... it takes 2 passes ... N-S & E-W. A good bomber pilot can get a white flag this way, even a NOOB can get the town so close that a fighter can gun a couple of buildings and get the white flag.
I'll admit that unbalancing might be a bit strong to describe it, but what would you call it
It's not equitable. It provides exclusive capability's and superior performance and it's perfectly reasonable to expect to PAY for these features.
;)
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3) depends on what you call a 'pass' there may be some luck and zig zagging involved, I've seen that it can WF a town without extending past the town and circling back.
4) Other bombers aren't a whole lot harder to shoot down, which is the point. YES its horribly vulnerable compared to a fighter, but its not horribly vulnerable compared to another bomber. With a lancaster you can pretty much just wade through the fire to kill it if your willing to take some damage in return. But if you want to kill one without taking damage to the point that you'll be shot down by the second or third set, you still have to be smart about attacking them.
Being smart with a lancaster isn't all that much harder than being smart with a B-24.
Hehe... well I must not be that lucky then. I never thought of using the "spray and pray" approach to bombing... but hey... people do wacky stuff here. :huh
And yes... if you fly right up the six on a lancaster formation, you may get one. But if the gunner is any good, you probably wont get the second. And that applies to any bomber. I have ruined peoples day with a B-25C formation... and I do it all the time with the H.
A lot of it has to do with skill. There are pilots skilled in taking down buffs... any of them. There are guys skilled in the tail guns who will lite you up with the first burst. There are also a lot of folks who cant do either well.
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PERK the bluebird in MW! Gamers are gaming the game with it! :rofl
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PERK the bluebird in MW! Gamers are gaming the game with it! :rofl
Well .... Blubird COULD be a little perkier ... He's been kind of lazy lately ...
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If Lancs are that common in the MWA, obviously I should spend time in there to collect my free Fighter perks.
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ENY doesn't affect gameplay in MWA much. The problem is that the side that outnumbers the others will get a few people to log so that they can up planes with a lower ENY. Once they've upped, their buddies log back on.
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Well .... Blubird COULD be a little perkier ... He's been kind of lazy lately ...
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Don't worry unperked, bluebirdie will be cheerfully dishing out some more pain tomorrow afternoon when he flies back in from his week at sea. Hopefully you will around :angel:~and put your hardhat on or you will get severely injured again :cry
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I look forward to shooting you down again and again and again and again puppydog............
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I look forward to shooting you down again and again and again and again puppydog............
One day you may develop skill to match your incessant smack talk~ you certainly think you have it far out of proportion :rolleyes:.
Its always flattering when you pwn someone and they threaten to send in the film~ still waiting to be banned for life (for your poor aim) as you promised~
I hope you did send that in, everyone likes a good laugh, even HTC!
Ultimate compliment :neener: see you there sport~ you'll be squelched as always
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One day you may develop skill to match your incessant smack talk~ you certainly think you have it far out of proportion :rolleyes:.
Its always flattering when you pwn someone and they threaten to send in the film~ still waiting to be banned for life (for your poor aim) as you promised~
I hope you did send that in, everyone likes a good laugh, even HTC!
Ultimate compliment :neener: see you there sport~ you'll be squelched as always
i guess i could post the 2-1 K/D ratio i have on you for the last 4+ months ( i got tired of looking up stats so i stopped ) but i dont need to prove to everyone else im better than you, im sure they dont care nor do i really. And you squelching me in game because you cant stand the truth is the ultimate compliment to me :devil
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People are going to bomb and bail, its been around since Aces High started, perking it just means people will choose the next best option like the B-24 or B-17, so that doesn't help.
If its 2 on 30 bombers, then you should of brought more buddies, I was strictly talking a single set or two, which is more common then "30"
thats a big difference in payload wouldnt u say?
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The problem is that the Lancaster is AH2 equivalent of a Tomahawk Cruise Missle. It comes in low and fast, and hits unsuspecting bases hard with overwhelming force.
-Penguin
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The more I think about it, the more i realize its the game itself and the fact it is a game that gives the lanc such an advantage for attackers. Yes hit has horrid defense compared to any other bomber, but who cares not like you actually die right? And you get a free set of them for the next run if they all die during your low level bomb run on whatever it is you are bombing. Speaking from a MW only standpoint, since this is a MW wish, you hardly ever see someone deacking a town or field in a typh. It usually costs a lot of perks and you have less control over your death then you do in a dog fight, i ping from ack in the radiator and your dead. You can compare the outrageous bomb load the lanc has to the quad 20mm cannons the typh has. Carrying twice the load of any other bomber in MW should at least earn it a very low ENY in MW only if not a lower perk cost as well. No other bomber in MW can drop all hangers at a Vbase by itself and still have 6000lbs per bird left to take out gv's or deack or both! If your good, you can have 10k bombs per bird after taking all the hangers down, thats more ord left over than any other allied bomber can carry in MW period.
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Sure, a low ENY would be fine. OBJ should also be very low.
As to the Tiffie, well, the Mossie is almost as fast down low, tougher and has more ammo for its quad 20mm cannons, so I don't think it is the cannons that get the Tiffie perked in there.
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Sure, a low ENY would be fine. OBJ should also be very low.
As to the Tiffie, well, the Mossie is almost as fast down low, tougher and has more ammo for its quad 20mm cannons, so I don't think it is the cannons that get the Tiffie perked in there.
Good point, but you add the other attributes t0 the typhy along with the cannons and you get the high perk.