PERK THE LANCASTERS (in MWA)

[MK-84]

And those damage points = BIG PERK Bonuses! For those who don't know ... Wht Flag on a town = approx 15,000 damage.
The Lanc has an ENY or 15 and an OBJ of 5.  No that is not going to give you big perk bonuses
What I want to know is WHERE are these stats on how many Lancasters are Upped and what percentage of them are KILLED I keep hearing about ...? I don't see em? ARE they actually available or is this just more, that's what I thunk - hillbilly math?

I didn't post any made up numbers at all.  There was no hillbilly math involved at all.  Except in your previous post when you stated the lanc has a .30 kill death, and you said that most flights to a town get between 12k and 15k points of damage. 

Tour 143 LW       Kills   Deaths         K/D
Lancaster III   4269   17204    0.25

and total for 2011 ref: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,326962.0.html
Lancaster III   K/D .23


Incidently last tour the Lancaster is only behind the P51D in getting the dubious title for most destroyed aircraft.

[EVZ]

Tour 143 LW       Kills   Deaths         K/D
Lancaster III      4269  17204          0.25
Incidently last tour the Lancaster is only behind the P51D in getting the dubious title for most destroyed aircraft.

Ok ... but that number is meaningless unless we know HOW MANY TIMES it was upped. Most Flown Plane probably SHOULD be the most killed plane. AND - This ain't Late War dude ... No 262s, 51Ds, D-7s, TA152s, etc. around here for bomber killing.

Except in your previous post when you stated the lanc has a .30 kill death, and you said that most flights to a town get between 12k and 15k points of damage.

I think you're confusing Myself and Talos about who posted what. But I'd agree approx 12K-15K points for a Successfull Lanc attack on a town by a pilot who knows what he's doing. (YMMV).

[MK-84]

Ok ... but that number is meaningless unless we know HOW MANY TIMES it was upped. Most Flown Plane probably SHOULD be the most killed plane. AND - This ain't Late War dude ... No 262s, 51Ds, D-7s, TA152s, etc. around here for bomber killing.
 I think you're confusing Myself and Talos about who posted what. But I'd agree approx 12K-15K points for a Successfull Lanc attack on a town by a pilot who knows what he's doing. (YMMV).

Yup, I did. *eyes beer * I meant to use this quote,
"And those damage points = BIG PERK Bonuses! For those who don't know ... Wht Flag on a town = approx 15,000 damage."

[EVZ]

Yup, I did. *eyes beer * I meant to use this quote,
"And those damage points = BIG PERK Bonuses! For those who don't know ... Wht Flag on a town = approx 15,000 damage."

Well, ya know, a humble hillbilly like me thinks the perks for a 14,000+ point mission that white flagged a town ARE pretty significant ...

[Karnak]

The Lancaster is about the worst bomber you could use to farm perks.  Its OBJ is extremely low, it is slow, climbs horribly and is a free kill to any fighter that encounters it.  15,000 damage points mean little in terms of perks when you are flying something with such a low OBJ rating.

[WWhiskey]

I don't think I've ever gotten more than 4 or 5 perks for a lanc  mission. At the most,  but I don't really look all that often , if I wanted perks,,, I'd fly the Betty !!!
If I wanted to survive and get some kills, I'd fly the KI 67

The reason you shut a field down with lancs is because otherwise, any decent stick could up and kill them!


Killing a town with a single set of lancs and all it's guns , while fighting off any fighter, is not an easy job for even the most experienced bomber drivers!
 It is no harder for 4 sets of b-17s or 24's to take down a town than it is for 4 sets of lancs  but they are much harder to attack !!!   Perk the lancs and your fighter will get shot down much more often than before!

[phatzo]

My first ever 3 in one pass was a set of lancs in MW. The Mossie chewed them a new one.

[WWhiskey]

My first ever 3 in one pass was a set of lancs in MW. The Mossie chewed them a new one.

Like I said!!!!!!!
Why on earth would anyone want to perk the easiest target in midwar??? Or the game for that matter?
 The lancs were the first planes I regularly shot down for the first year or more of playing,
if I see lancs nowadays and I'm in a jug, I don't even bother with trying to protect myself and dive right into the tail of them, usually killing all three in one or two passes , it is more fun tho to take the wing tip off the lead bird and watch the pilot fight it while you chew up the others!

[talos]

Are you seeing the part why I think this makes little sense?

not to worry i do understand your point of view in fact i understand most of the points of view from other members who posted in this thread. Most of the posters fly almost strictly LW with almost no sorties in MW, and a very select few of the posters in this thread (such as myself) fly almost exclusively in MW with a few sorties in LW. While an even smaller group of posters haven't even played in over a few months. Now this is all fine, you do what you gotta do, you play what you wanna play, but i don't think you can make a sound judgement about the MW arena. The statistics only tell you half of the story.

(pls keep in mind we are only asking that it is perked in MW not LW)

I'm not sure WHO is flying 24s

Tony and I where doing a few maritime patrols

Perk the lancs and your fighter will get shot down much more often than before!

 
I'm not sure i follow you

[grumpy37]

This thread demonstrates more than anything why my wish for a different wish list forum for each arena.  All these late war guys are arguing and throwing out Late war stats....  If you would read the title this was a Mid War request.  Perking or lowering the ENY for the lanc in Late war would be insanely stupid but thats NOT what was asked.  No one from LW will understand the request, good or bad, for MW because they just dont understand the dynamics of MW.

Having the current ENY and 0 perk cost of the Lanc in MW INHO is the same as if you were to let the B29 be free in LW.  Guys would be dive bombing, bailing left and right, it would be used just as the lanc is in MW.  Without looking at stats, cause i just dont have the time, i would guess Lancs have a much higher survival rate in MW then LW.  But you also have to remember we dont have a long list of canon wagon planes to shoot them down nor is it usually a group of fighters attacking them.  90% of the time its 1 plane attacking them while in a lot of cases the only 2 other defenders on the country period are down low watching the town.  And more times then not the Lanc has a high fighter escort or 2 because of the number unbalance the arena has had for such a long time so the single plane trying to kill the bombers usually gets picked off while trying to do so.

My main point is the LW guys will never understand why MW guys ask for certain things.  They will sound insanely dumb from a LW point of view, you have to pay attention and see it is NOT a LW request.

[AKP]

Really ... you know a lot about midwar skies? you flown 2 1/2 hrs in midwar, and killed -0- lancasters this month ... out of 21 missions flown (all types/all planes) you managed to land 2 of them ... Impressive ... I did take a peek at your LW stats, at the rate YOU loose em, you can't AFFORD perked lancasters.

Look back... over many, many tours and years.  He, and most of us have been flying midwar longer than you have been playing this game.  You have a lot to learn... about a lot of things.

You are also one of the rudest and most belligerent posters on these forums.  People might actually listen to you if you were a little nicer.  But that is probably beyond your abilities.  It's amazing how full of themselves people get when behind a keyboard.

[Seadog36]

I've got nearly half the total kills for MW B24's this tour and I have only flown a week of it, they are deadly. 44 out of the 92 kills including a box of lancs which I swooped down on, gamey as h*ll but fun. LtPappy and I had a good laugh about it, we also had a fun dogfight between B-26s and Lancs. He turned that last lanc very well, we both almost snapped wings off and in RL probably would have<S>

~Lost the base as solo defender v 6 Bish (Grumpy and co w 2 sets of lancs 3 fters and m3 v 1 nit  ) goofing off, but the silly non historical fight w LtPappy was very worth it just for the entertainment.

It doesn't matter if you lose a base or two EVZ, especially when you are vastly outnumbered which happens to every side somewhere on the clock in MW~ it's just a silly fantasy game, everyone gets the numbers advantage at some point without switching sides. People log in and out, and in the case of nits seems like there are always 2-3 perpetual afk players logged in.

You can WF a town w B24's and deack it too strafing blg and guns w the ball turret, I've done it several times. You can deack a port, take out the vh and still have ord for gvs the same way too. And for the record, the buffs with the .50s beat the Lancs every time, leave'em alone, they don't qualify as a perk ride in MW~ EW yes, because they were rare and enemy firepower was far less.

By MW Bf-110s were used almost exclusively night fighters and A-20s were never used extensively as flapped out turn fighters or BnZers either~ stop trying to micro manage the arena~ there is no end to the clever "wrong" ways people will play the game. HTC has better ways of devoting their resources to improve the game~ mainly adding new relevant historical aircraft, which hopefully will find their way into AvA, scenarios and FSOs to be less abused.

[talos]

You are also one of the rudest and most belligerent posters on these forums.  People might actually listen to you if you were a little nicer.  But that is probably beyond your abilities.  It's amazing how full of themselves people get when behind a keyboard.

EVZ is actually a very nice guy, I've spoken to him several times both on and off the game, but the thing is when ever one of your posts gets picked apart and torn out of context (repeatedly) you tend to get a bit "rude & belligerent". Lord knows I've felt that way before and i'm sure you and a few of the other ppl here have felt

[EVZ]

I'm not sure i follow you

Well, you don't have to FOLLOW him for long - Taka-taka-Boom! - There he goes again !

[EVZ]

You are also one of the rudest and most belligerent posters on these forums.  People might actually listen to you if you were a little nicer.

Lets see ... who was it said - "do not suffer fools gladly." ??? Buhler ? Buhler ? Buhler ???