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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: wiskyfog on January 25, 2012, 04:13:27 PM
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I want to build one of these!!!
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2428/4034642942_5e0f34284c_b.jpg)
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I bought THESE (http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/pc-gaming-headsets/ear-force-z6a.aspx) instead.
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How do you like the Z6A? Do they work as well as the old HPA2?
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is there any good 7.1 surround? or is the 7.1 surround just a gimmick and it really is 5.1? my headset just broke need to replace it. i had the g35.
semp
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I want to build one of these!!!
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2428/4034642942_5e0f34284c_b.jpg)
Been browsing the ghettomods forum? :)
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I bought THESE (http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/pc-gaming-headsets/ear-force-z6a.aspx) instead.
that aint surround sound its emulated surround.
only way to get true multichannel surround sound is with a HDMI cable. or with SACD cables or any type of component cables. i use SACD for my 5.1 surround i like it because if you have 3 3.5mm-RCA cables you can get SACD (6cables if 5.1) from your computer.
as for headsets get the Triton's they are long lasting and are true SACD 5.1
is there any good 7.1 surround? or is the 7.1 surround just a gimmick and it really is 5.1? my headset just broke need to replace it. i had the g35.
semp
7.1 surround sound adds two more side speackers so you can hear things from the side
this is 5.1 set up below
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(note the dot being where you are and the start being the sub)
this is 7.1
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hope this helps
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that aint surround sound its emulated surround.
only way to get true multichannel surround sound is with a HDMI cable. or with SACD cables or any type of component cables.
You don't need special cables nor 7 speakers to get surround sound. In theory, "emulated surround" from a pair of headphones should actually be more accurate than a THX approved Bose home theater system with $60-3ft-overpriced Monster cables. Actually, I'd retract the word "headphones" in the sentence above and replace it with in-ear-monitors.
Now I said in theory... I don't advocate for any particular brand and have not tried the turltes. Maybe they are gimmicky, maybe they are God's gift to your ears. But in any case, once a manufacturer has mastered the time delay and phasing necessary to "emulate" surround sound, that manufacturer can tell you exactly where that plane is or where that gunfire is comming from.
It all has to do with how the brain and ear work. Some products have nailed it (so i hear), and some haven't.
Back at the ranch, I hear nothing but great things about turtlebeach. I'm currently using the logitech g35 which I got for $70. They were a major upgrade from the Radioshack headset I was using before.
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that aint surround sound its emulated surround.
only way to get true multichannel surround sound is with a HDMI cable. or with SACD cables or any type of component cables. i use SACD for my 5.1 surround i like it because if you have 3 3.5mm-RCA cables you can get SACD (6cables if 5.1) from your computer.
What are you smoking? Separate inputs for each speaker, separate amp for each speaker... how is this emulated?
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What are you smoking? Separate inputs for each speaker, separate amp for each speaker... how is this emulated?
thats not but a pair of 2 RCA cables can only make 2 channels.
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thats not but a pair of 2 RCA cables can only make 2 channels.
Lets pay attention boy and girls:
Specifications
Headset
Front Channel Speakers 1 little speaker
30mm diameter speakers with neodymium magnet
Angled design for better 3D audio perception
Speaker Frequency Response: 20Hz - 20kHz, >120dB SPL+3dB/mW
Cable length: 12 ft. (3.7m)
Surround Channel Speakers 2 little speaker
30mm diameter speakers with neodymium magnet
Angled design for better 3D audio perception
Speaker Frequency Response: 20Hz - 20kHz, >120dB SPL+3dB/mW
Center Channel Speakers 3 little speaker
30mm diameter speakers with neodymium magnet
Speaker Frequency Response: 80Hz - 16kHz, >110dB SPL+3dB/mW
Subwoofer Channel Speakers 4 little speaker
40mm diameter with high-impact magneto-resonant vibration coil
Speaker Frequency Response:20Hz - 500Hz
Condenser Microphone Frequency Response: 50Hz - 15kHz
Weight: 13.6 Oz (380g)
Surround Sound Amplifier
Includes 6 independent amplifiers
Frequency response Sub Channel: 20Hz - 200Hz
Frequency response (Front, Surround and Center channels): 20Hz - 20kHz
Amplifier power (all 8 channels): >100mW rms @ THD <1%
3.5mm stereo line input jacks x 3 (Front, Surround, Center/Sub)
3.5mm microphone jack
Maximum analog input level with volume control on maximum setting: 2Vpp (700mV rms)
2.5mm XBOX 360 controller input jack
Quick disconnect for easily removing the headset from the amplifier
Dimensions: Height 0.8 in (2.0cm), Width 3.9 in (9.8cm), Depth 1.5 in (3.9cm)
Weight: 4 oz.(120g)
Reading really is a useful skill..................
NOT
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How do you like the Z6A? Do they work as well as the old HPA2?
Actually I have the older HPA2 set, it was easier to find the link for the new style tho :D
thats not but a pair of 2 RCA cables can only make 2 channels.
All I know is my set has 5 jacks, an amplifier box, and 4 speakers in each ear piece. With my new SoundBlaster X-FI card they sound incredible!
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Actually I have the older HPA2 set, it was easier to find the link for the new style tho :D
All I know is my set has 5 jacks, an amplifier box, and 4 speakers in each ear piece. With my new SoundBlaster X-FI card they sound incredible!
5 jacks is a little to many if you are useing a headset with 5.1 or 7.1 because each 3.5mm jack can carry 2 channels so 1jack=2 2jacks=4 3jacks=6 channels or 5.1 (the .1 being the sub) my tritons had 4 jacks and where 5.1 surround the 4th jack being the mic in.
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5.1 headsets will never be able to get anything like true 5.1 sound. Its impossible to get enough seperation with all speakers that close to the ear. This is a gimmick.
Aces High can give you better than stereo performance with mono sounds and a 5.1 sound card set to 5.1 (very important) on a standard headset. Rather than a 5.1 headset you would be better off spending your money on a studio grade headset or simply a comfortable headset that has a durable cord. The best thing this Z6 thing can do is be a really good stereo headset.
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5 jacks is a little to many if you are useing a headset with 5.1 or 7.1 because each 3.5mm jack can carry 2 channels so 1jack=2 2jacks=4 3jacks=6 channels or 5.1 (the .1 being the sub) my tritons had 4 jacks and where 5.1 surround the 4th jack being the mic in.
I'm sorry, I do have 5, 3 for the 5.1 surround sound headset, 1 for the mic, and the other for my desktop speakers. I have a SoundBlaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty card. I also found it very easy to set up. Listening to music is like being there.
5.1 headsets will never be able to get anything like true 5.1 sound. Its impossible to get enough seperation with all speakers that close to the ear. This is a gimmick.
Aces High can give you better than stereo performance with mono sounds and a 5.1 sound card set to 5.1 (very important) on a standard headset. Rather than a 5.1 headset you would be better off spending your money on a studio grade headset or simply a comfortable headset that has a durable cord. The best thing this Z6 thing can do is be a really good stereo headset.
Well, my ears must have really fallen for the "gimmick" as it really does sound like a plane creeps up on me from one side and passes, much like I would expect it too. Had a 190 dive on me the other day while I was watching TV on climb out. I could tell which way to break due to how I heard him coming in. Didn't get eyes on him until he was on his climb out after his first pass.
Believe what you will, but what I hear, as stated before, is Incredible!
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I hate you fugi, now I am gonna have to go buy one of those :aok.
semp
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You can do the same thing with a standard pair of headphones and a 5.1 sound card. Since youmust have a 5.1 sound card to use those headphones anyway its not doing much except providing for better audio quality for each ear. You can do much better with a 5.1 speaker setup and it will save you a few bucks. You can also spend a lot more for just the headphones.
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You can do the same thing with a standard pair of headphones and a 5.1 sound card. Since youmust have a 5.1 sound card to use those headphones anyway its not doing much except providing for better audio quality for each ear. You can do much better with a 5.1 speaker setup and it will save you a few bucks. You can also spend a lot more for just the headphones.
I have a 7.1 sound card, and I got the headset on Ebay for $50. Such a deal !
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That is a deal! I spent $50 on my vox mic. $100 on the mic boom arm ($10 dead cat). $150 on the firewire interface for mic alone. $150 on the Fatality card. $750 on the studio grade headphones. $700 on 5.1 surround speakers.
Thats just what I use. I bought much more and then just gave things away when I found them to be not quite up to my expectations which is why I have experience beyond what I am actually using now.
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I won't argue that a pair of 5.1 headphones are no where near as good as true 5.1 speakers but you're comparing $100 or less headphones to $2000+ worth of audio equipment. And yes the "surround" part of them DOES work and it IS better than plain stereo speakers of the same price range.
This reminds me of the numerous Kindle Fire vs. Apple iPad reviews I've read. All they do is talk about how much better the iPad is at this, and how much faster the iPad is that. And it's true.. the iPad is superior to the Kindle
Fire in many ways BUT what the reviews almost always fail to mention is that the Kindle Fire is MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE.
Now I'm happy that your $2000+ worth of audio equipment works out well for you. That's all fine and dandy but get with it. I bet that 99+% of the AH population either could not or simply would not spend that kind of coin on audio equipment. It just isn't going to happen with me that's for sure!
My HPA2 headset on the other hand cost me $90 and has lasted me several years. I find the sound quality to be extremely good and much, MUCH better than I require it to be. I couldn't be more happy. It's funny how you say that it is no different than a normal stereo headset yet I can pin point a GV's location relative to me - including both behind me and in front of me with these headphones. Even a demo that plays the sound of a helicopter flying circles overhead can distinctly be heard as being in front or behind me. This tells me that the 5.1 part of the headset does work and that this is not just a gimmick.
Are there better headsets out there? Sure there are! There's no doubt in my mind that there are hundreds if not thousands of stereo headsets that provide a much better sound than my HPA2 headset does and I wouldn't even begin to argue this, but how many of those cost under $100 and will give me the same kind of longevity I've come to expect from my hardware?
$300+ on a microphone.. please... we all know the saying, "A fool and his money..." I don't need to finish it.
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No Im comparing a $100 pair of 5.1 headphones to a 100 pair of stereo headphones which work just as good. Like I said... gimmick.
I guess you missed the part where I said I have bought other stuff and then given it away? Case in point this Turtle Beach gimmick. At least I can admit when I make the mistake of buying something that isnt what its supposed to be.
And of course it cant compare to the sound equipment I have. Even $65 5.1 speakers would beat it!
Equipment can have more uses than AH you know. "Fool and his money..." indeed!
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challenge I have a set of 5.1 speakers. a 7.1 set of g35 surround sound headset and a $40 stereo headset.
the 40 stereo headset are very good. I can hear the game sounds really good. it's a really good headset. but it doestn compare to the 5.1 speakers or the g35 7.1 surround sound. I can hear the airplanes as they move around me just like if it was in RL. with he stereo headset I hear some really good sound but cant tell if the airplane is in front, behind or on the side. with he 5.1 or the 7.1 headset I can.
I guess I am a fool as I am about to spend another 100 bucks on another surround sound headset that has the same sound as the 40 dollar one with one difference. the new headset will tell me which direction the sound is coming from :salute.
semp
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You can do the same thing with a good stereo headset. Thats all Im saying. The problem is that most of the general "PC headsets" sold are junk. They dont have the dynamic range or the range they claim isnt really accurate. The headphones you are buying have a better sound quality than the typical equipment on the market. The G35 does not actually provide 7.1 and the bass quality is lacking severely. Its a nice headphone for chatting or Skype but when I do anything like that for school or talking to family in the Philippines I prefer to use speakers.
The problem that most people run into with 5.1 sound is that the onboard chip as in the X58 or the older 780i and 790i will not allow the speaker output to be set to 5.1 Surround with just the single headphone plugged in. X-Fi will and with that you can get 3D positioning that surpasses the headset you are using. Now someone that uses your headset or the turtle beach set with the X-Fi can match a good headset. Again... thats all Im saying.
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See Rule #4
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I bought THESE (http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/pc-gaming-headsets/ear-force-z6a.aspx) instead.
does the game come across in 5:1 with these?
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You guys haven't figured out yet, Challenge is the audio god............. :D :x :banana:
Probably NOT... but I can probably have one look at the way your system is configured and get you an average of an extra 5fps based on audio alone. NOT significant... right? :D
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Believe what you will, but what I hear, as stated before, is Incredible!
I have a pair of the older HPA's, and I agree completely! :aok
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For those that still wish it, the Razer Tiamat is shipping sometime this month, and sports a number of features that interest me as well as a price tag that does not. Around $170 gets you 3.5mm connectors, with an in-line control to lower sound or mic via round dial depending on what you need. I can't vouch for the comfort or the quality of the mic, but they are 7.1 speakers and overall look impressive.
This is just for those still looking for surround headsets. I'll be watching the reviews of these with great interest, myself.
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does the game come across in 5:1 with these?
I have the older HPA2 set myself. From a quick look at the specs it looks pretty much like the old ones. I have heard that the new ones aren't as good as the old ones, but if you are interested in them I suggest you spend some time hunting around the net for reviews and other information on them.
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Probably NOT... but I can probably have one look at the way your system is configured and get you an average of an extra 5fps based on audio alone. NOT significant... right? :D
Hard to get an extra 5 from a steady 60 FPS.......................... .......
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challenge is correct on the headphones i can make a pair of ipod ear buds sound like your 100$ turtle beaches or Triton's or shock 1's reason? because even with on board sound there is a thing called "3d sound" not surround buts its better IMHO than 5.1 headsets (good proper 5.1 wins anyday) it is able to do infinite amount of channels because it basically using knowledge of how human hearing works and recreates it. again this can be dont with 99cent ipod ear buds.
headphones are all the same if your using 3d surround. be it 200$ to 99cents.
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challenge is correct on the headphones i can make a pair of ipod ear buds sound like your 100$ turtle beaches or Triton's or shock 1's reason? because even with on board sound there is a thing called "3d sound" not surround buts its better IMHO than 5.1 headsets (good proper 5.1 wins anyday) it is able to do infinite amount of channels because it basically using knowledge of how human hearing works and recreates it. again this can be dont with 99cent ipod ear buds.
headphones are all the same if your using 3d surround. be it 200$ to 99cents.
This from a guy who can't get stereo <-- please note the spelling, to work with out crashing his computer http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,327825.msg4295480.html#msg4295480
You go on pretending your sound is awesome, and I'll continue listening to my sound that I KNOW is awesome.
Carry on little one. :salute
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This from a guy who can't get stereo <-- please note the spelling, to work with out crashing his computer http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,327825.msg4295480.html#msg4295480
You go on pretending your sound is awesome, and I'll continue listening to my sound that I KNOW is awesome.
Carry on little one. :salute
no mabey if you could ya know read? i said that the game only uses mono sounds. and 2 channels may crash the game or cause shutters. but reading is to hard i know.
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headphones are all the same if your using 3d surround. be it 200$ to 99cents.
I wouldn't have any aspirations on becoming an audio hardware reviewer if I were you :)
There are infinitely large differences between headphones as are with regular speakers. They're the determining factor on sound quality.
3d surround is just a poor gimmick that will do nothing to make the sound quality better.
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The sounds are mono because they come from single sources.
Currently, you can easily find the direction of source of the sound with Aces High's usage of volume levels of the stereo output.
It would take a bit of work to make the game output 4 or more discreet channels but that is what it would take.
No amount of delay and reverb effects will ever create true surround.
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I wouldn't have any aspirations on becoming an audio hardware reviewer if I were you :)
There are infinitely large differences between headphones as are with regular speakers. They're the determining factor on sound quality.
3d surround is just a poor gimmick that will do nothing to make the sound quality better.
3d sound is a money saver. sure a 200$ pare of headphones will SOUND better than 99 cent ones but you can still get the same surround sound for both.
say 3d sound aint good? put any pair of headphones on and wacth this (note only uses 2 channel sound) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IXm6SuUigI
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say 3d sound aint good? put any pair of headphones on and wacth this (note only uses 2 channel sound) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IXm6SuUigI
It is very easy to record that kind of a 3D audio clip. They once made a study about it. All you need is two microphones and three little pieces of board put together so that one piece forms a bottom, another a wall and the third divides the thing in two halves. The backwall works as earflaps, the bottom simulates sinuses and the divider is like the nose. The microphones are set along the back seam towards the earflaps. That design appeared to be close enough like a human head and its effect in 3D hearing.
Making single sounds move in a virtual space creating the illusion of distance and direction takes lots of calculating power and coding skills. The distance can be simulated by volume variables, but the direction might be easier to demonstrate with more than two speakers surrounding your head. Logically thinking, that is. I know nothing about sound processing.
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challenge is correct on the headphones i can make a pair of ipod ear buds sound like your 100$ turtle beaches or Triton's or shock 1's reason? because even with on board sound there is a thing called "3d sound" not surround buts its better IMHO than 5.1 headsets (good proper 5.1 wins anyday) it is able to do infinite amount of channels because it basically using knowledge of how human hearing works and recreates it. again this can be dont with 99cent ipod ear buds.
headphones are all the same if your using 3d surround. be it 200$ to 99cents.
Quoted for rubbish
no mabey if you could ya know read? i said that the game only uses mono sounds. and 2 channels may crash the game or cause shutters. but reading is to hard i know.
Quoted for rubbish
3d sound is a money saver. sure a 200$ pare of headphones will SOUND better than 99 cent ones but you can still get the same surround sound for both.
say 3d sound aint good? put any pair of headphones on and wacth this (note only uses 2 channel sound) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IXm6SuUigI
Really? My goodness **FACEPALM** more rubbish
Its up too the guys here playing and stating what they hear is incredible for the price. Most of the aces high populous cant afford to splurge on audio equipment as they have more important real life things to pay for. Fugi`s setup is the "Best Bang" for the lowest Price Pipz is also using this setup and has same out come.
Stereo Headphones vs Multi speaker surround sound headphones are like comparing apples to oranges
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No its comparing one speaker less than an inch from your ear to three speakers less than an inch from your ear. There isnt enough seperation to get 5.1 out of them. Its a gimmick. Its just another case of people convincing themselves that good headphones are better than they really are. Its like washing your car and all of the sudden it performs better.
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Its like washing your car and all of the sudden it performs better.
Doesn't it? Does all that wax make it slide through the air molecules slicker, or are the dust particles making a golf ball effect, the vortices caused by anomalies of the surface diminishing drag? - Was that English or Gibberish?
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Doesn't it? Does all that wax make it slide through the air molecules slicker, or are the dust particles making a golf ball effect, the vortices caused by anomalies of the surface diminishing drag? - Was that English or Gibberish?
In theory a waxed car would be faster :cheers:
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Grasping at straws boys!
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In theory a waxed car would be faster :cheers:
a waxed care also saves gas :cheers:.
semp
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Quoted for rubbishQuoted for rubbishReally? My goodness **FACEPALM** more rubbish
Its up too the guys here playing and stating what they hear is incredible for the price. Most of the aces high populous cant afford to splurge on audio equipment as they have more important real life things to pay for. Fugi`s setup is the "Best Bang" for the lowest Price Pipz is also using this setup and has same out come.
Stereo Headphones vs Multi speaker surround sound headphones are like comparing apples to oranges
besides saying just rubbish say what makes it rubbish oh right you dont know.
normal headphones (With good speacker range) 30$. knowing how to use a computer and ears is really all you need
end cost= 30$ surround sound scale to 1-10= 6-8
turtle beach, trition, or astro "gaming hedsets" 80$-150$. sound card that has atleast 5.1 30-150$
end cost=100$-300$ surround sound scale to 1-10=4-8
high end surround sound system 600$-1500$. high end sound card - 110-150$
end cost=710-1650$ surround sound scale to 1-10=9-10
i like my hi end surround but 3d surround is up to par.
no need to get mad because your 150$ headset sounds the same as some 30$ ones
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No its comparing one speaker less than an inch from your ear to three speakers less than an inch from your ear. There isnt enough seperation to get 5.1 out of them. Its a gimmick. Its just another case of people convincing themselves that good headphones are better than they really are. Its like washing your car and all of the sudden it performs better.
Chalenge, when I run the Windows configuration utility on my Turtle Beach HPA headset, I can tell the difference between left, right, center, left rear, and right rear. Obviously, it is not as good as well-placed full-sized speakers (I have that on the tv/music home entertainment setup in the livingroom), but the HPA headset sounds a lot better to me than the old plain stereo headset I had before. *shrug* Maybe, as you suggest, it's merely a really, really good placebo effect.
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besides saying just rubbish say what makes it rubbish oh right you dont know.
normal headphones (With good speacker range) 30$. knowing how to use a computer and ears is really all you need
end cost= 30$ surround sound scale to 1-10= 6-8
turtle beach, trition, or astro "gaming hedsets" 80$-150$. sound card that has atleast 5.1 30-150$
end cost=100$-300$ surround sound scale to 1-10=4-8
high end surround sound system 600$-1500$. high end sound card - 110-150$
end cost=710-1650$ surround sound scale to 1-10=9-10
i like my hi end surround but 3d surround is up to par.
no need to get mad because your 150$ headset sounds the same as some 30$ ones
just curious about this because my g35 just broke. they're being held by duck tape and wood tong depressors as an emergency. I have a good set of 50 dollar headset in the closet. was wondering how can i get those to simulate surround sound. i have a 7.1 on board plus a xfi extreme gamer sound card. perhaps you could write briefly and tell me how to set it up so I can hear airplanes moving around just like they do with my g35. who knows maybe i can write a report and help other guys avoid wasting money and spend it on better vc's instead. I am being serious too.
semp
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besides saying just rubbish say what makes it rubbish oh right you dont know.
normal headphones (With good speacker range) 30$. knowing how to use a computer and ears is really all you need
end cost= 30$ surround sound scale to 1-10= 6-8
turtle beach, trition, or astro "gaming hedsets" 80$-150$. sound card that has atleast 5.1 30-150$
end cost=100$-300$ surround sound scale to 1-10=4-8
high end surround sound system 600$-1500$. high end sound card - 110-150$
end cost=710-1650$ surround sound scale to 1-10=9-10
i like my hi end surround but 3d surround is up to par.
no need to get mad because your 150$ headset sounds the same as some 30$ ones
Nonsense rubbish = troll
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besides saying just rubbish say what makes it rubbish oh right you dont know.
normal headphones (With good speacker range) 30$. knowing how to use a computer and ears is really all you need
end cost= 30$ surround sound scale to 1-10= 6-8
turtle beach, trition, or astro "gaming hedsets" 80$-150$. sound card that has atleast 5.1 30-150$
end cost=100$-300$ surround sound scale to 1-10=4-8
high end surround sound system 600$-1500$. high end sound card - 110-150$
end cost=710-1650$ surround sound scale to 1-10=9-10
If you paid more attention to your spelling and typing skills in your post more people "might" find what you say interesting, most likely not, but it's good practice any way.
i like my hi end surround but 3d surround is up to par.
no need to get mad because your 150$ headset sounds the same as some 30$ ones
You have a high end surround system? Aren't you the one who had to take a break a while back because you couldn't afford the $15 a month?
I agree, Twins right, your a troll.
I've had cheap headsets, good surround sound sets, and all kinds of stuff in between. My TurtleBeach set are the best I've ever listen to. The $1000 surround system in my living room isn't equal to the headset. The biggest difference is in the background sounds. With the headset all I hear is what is presented in the headset. The surround in the living room has it's limitations due to the room acoustics and any other sounds presented in the house/area. The headset is crisp, clear, and has no interference.
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just curious about this because my g35 just broke. they're being held by duck tape and wood tong depressors as an emergency. I have a good set of 50 dollar headset in the closet. was wondering how can i get those to simulate surround sound. i have a 7.1 on board plus a xfi extreme gamer sound card. perhaps you could write briefly and tell me how to set it up so I can hear airplanes moving around just like they do with my g35. who knows maybe i can write a report and help other guys avoid wasting money and spend it on better vc's instead. I am being serious too.
semp
most simple way to do it with out your sound card software is.
go into windows control panel
next go to hardware and sound.
now go into sound
now in the playback tab click where your headphones are plugged in at. (e.g. if there plugged in front headphone jack or rear speaker jack dose not matter)
now click properties, then go to the tab called "enhancements"
in the enhancements tab there may be alot of settings but the one you want to click is called "virtual surround" then click ok.
and your done. works great.
with your sound cards software for mine it looks like this when headphones pluged in.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/jl1iqo.png)
then go to this tab
(http://i39.tinypic.com/dh01v.png)
when u click this tab it may look like this turn macroFX on and turn elevation filter on
(http://i41.tinypic.com/rmrzuq.png)
when u click test you will hear the independent channels at work.
PLEASE NOTE! when in aces high 2 put sounds on "windows default" any another WILL NOT work with this 3d sound!!!
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did it work? i forgot to say i helps if u reboot first then play aces high.
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3d sound is a money saver. sure a 200$ pare of headphones will SOUND better than 99 cent ones but you can still get the same surround sound for both.
say 3d sound aint good? put any pair of headphones on and wacth this (note only uses 2 channel sound) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IXm6SuUigI
Some people do not have the ability to tell the difference between a medium and a good system. Some can't even tell the difference between wal-mart boxed crap and a high-end audio system. An experienced listener can tell the difference. If you can't consider yourself lucky since you've just saved yourself a few thousand dollars.
Going to a high-end audio expo can be a real eye opener. But it's a risky thing to do - once you know how an audio system should sound like at the 100k price range you'll never be happy with your own set again. Uh, unless you happen to own a 100k set already. With one exception - DIY electrostatic speakers with which you can cheat your way to the 50k price range using just 1-2k in the process.
In my youth we used to go to the expos every year. And every year when I went home I hated my own audio system. Untill the last time a 20 or so years back when I noticed that most systems in the expo actually sounded worse than my own. There were a few exceptions but they were in an astronomical price range.
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This thread has gotten me thinking about what I actually get out of my cheap 5.1 headset.
The conclusion I've come to is, directional sound seems to work reasonably well in the direction I'm looking. I can tell the difference between something being at 3/9 o'clock and forward of 1:30/10:30 or so. Stuff behind me doesn't seem to be particularly directional, though if I turn my head with TIR I get a sense of the angle it's coming in from.
Now I'm starting to wonder if the same thing could be accomplished with stereo.
Wiley.
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This thread has gotten me thinking about what I actually get out of my cheap 5.1 headset.
The conclusion I've come to is, directional sound seems to work reasonably well in the direction I'm looking. I can tell the difference between something being at 3/9 o'clock and forward of 1:30/10:30 or so. Stuff behind me doesn't seem to be particularly directional, though if I turn my head with TIR I get a sense of the angle it's coming in from.
Now I'm starting to wonder if the same thing could be accomplished with stereo.
Wiley.
with stero headphones i think it works better. u have infintie amount of channels insted of 6 it uses knownledge of human hearing 3d sound dose.
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with stero headphones i think it works better. u have infintie amount of channels insted of 6 it uses knownledge of human hearing 3d sound dose.
You're wrong. Headphones do not have any more channels than a regular speaker setup. Where they differ is they can deliver phase coherent sound to the listeners ears, a feat most speakers can't do. Electrostatic panels can deliver a headphone-like accuracy and 3D imaging but without the annoying sound-in-your-head effect.
Well positioned panel speakers can actually produce a surround sound to one listener in the 'sweet spot' without any additional speakers, just like headphones do.
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You're wrong. Headphones do not have any more channels than a regular speaker setup. Where they differ is they can deliver phase coherent sound to the listeners ears, a feat most speakers can't do. Electrostatic panels can deliver a headphone-like accuracy and 3D imaging but without the annoying sound-in-your-head effect.
Well positioned panel speakers can actually produce a surround sound to one listener in the 'sweet spot' without any additional speakers, just like headphones do.
you dont understand i said i think headphones that use 3d sound are better than headphones that use 5.1
again a surround sound system is better than all the above
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you dont understand i said i think headphones that use 3d sound are better than headphones that use 5.1
again a surround sound system is better than all the above
Which headphones use 3D sound and what exactly do you mean by it? Do you mean virtual speakers done by audio processing i.e. regular headphones?
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Which headphones use 3D sound and what exactly do you mean by it? Do you mean virtual speakers done by audio processing i.e. regular headphones?
again as stated before u could do this with any headphones and yes windows 7 has virtual surround sound built in.
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I reckon you should generally get better 3D placement using stereo headphones vs surround headphones of the same quality.
why? for surround to work the speaker placement is critical. with a 5.1 or 7.1 surround speaker system set up correctly, there is a fairly big sweet spot where small changes in your head position have hardly any effect on your 3D sound perception. this consistency allows your sound perception to place objects in the 3D space consistently.
now consider surround headsets. a few mm movement has a drastic effect on the placement of the sound source. its like moving your surround speakers a metre away from their ideal position.
more importantly it has a larger effect on the sound your ear hears from that speaker. look at a human ear, its a very complicated shape acoustically. move a few mm from one spot to another on the ear and the route to the inner ear can be almost completely different. the amount of cartilage and soft tissue will change alot too. this is very important because 3D perception depends on these very subtle differences in reverb, phase and eq shaping.
if 3D headsets were custom fitted to the user so they couldnt move relative to the ear (like custom fitted hearing aids but shaped to the entire ear), then surround headsets could work pretty well. as it is I suspect the subtle audio cues we need for 3D perception arent consistent enough from surround headsets.
I tested my current setup (X58 onboard sound/Sennheiser stereo headset) with a DX utilty which placed sounds randomly in the 3D space. it was suprisingly accurate, front/rear was really easy to determine, high/low was alot harder, as you'd expect.
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I connected my old stereo headset. I cant make it sound like my g35 when it comes down to surround sound. the sounds dont seem to match the direction where the sound should be coming from. I currently holding my g35 with ducktape and wooden tongue depressors as required in the manual. due to lots of overtime in the past couple of weeks, I have billions of dollars to burn. thinking I am gonna order the 7.1 headset recommended here.
semp
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I connected my old stereo headset. I cant make it sound like my g35 when it comes down to surround sound. the sounds dont seem to match the direction where the sound should be coming from. I currently holding my g35 with ducktape and wooden tongue depressors as required in the manual. due to lots of overtime in the past couple of weeks, I have billions of dollars to burn. thinking I am gonna order the 7.1 headset recommended here.
semp
You might be better off ordering a true hifi headset from sennheiser, koss, beyerdynamics or the sorts.
The fact that they call it 7.1 tells me it's a gimmick! 7.1 means 7 channels + a subwoofer. Headphones do not have center channels nor do they have subwoofers.
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Semp when you plug your stereo headset in does your soundcard allow you to setup the playback device as 5.1? or is stereo the only option?
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You might be better off ordering a true hifi headset from sennheiser, koss, beyerdynamics or the sorts.
The fact that they call it 7.1 tells me it's a gimmick! 7.1 means 7 channels + a subwoofer. Headphones do not have center channels nor do they have subwoofers.
Wrong
(http://www.turtlebeach.com/Portals/0/Products/PC/HPA2/Tabs_Html/images/HPA2_Details1.jpg)
(http://www.turtlebeach.com/Portals/0/Products/PC/HPA2/Tabs_Html/images/HPA2_Details3_AMP.jpg)
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separate volume controls for front/rear/centre? suspicious that they are ready to hand considering their relative volumes are critical for 3D perception. I'd expect them to be in a calibration utility if it was a serious attempt at surround.
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That right there proves its a gimmick. They are simulating the center channel and thus fooling the user into perceiving its presence. You can do the same thing with two speakers and thats what DirectX does with its Direct3D standard. Direct3D can simulate even 7.1 audio but in order for it to work properly it needs mono (single channel) sound input.
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That right there proves its a gimmick. They are simulating the center channel and thus fooling the user into perceiving its presence. You can do the same thing with two speakers and thats what DirectX does with its Direct3D standard. Direct3D can simulate even 7.1 audio but in order for it to work properly it needs mono (single channel) sound input.
Rubbish
Countless guys use them with stereo sounds and love them
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That doesnt change the facts of the situation one bit.
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Semp when you plug your stereo headset in does your soundcard allow you to setup the playback device as 5.1? or is stereo the only option?
ha, think i found out what i did wrong. gonna try again tomorrow. need to reinstall my sound card.
semp
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thats a good point about the "centre" speakers, if it uses a standard 5.1 mix then that setup cant be right surely.
this is the arrangement a 5.1 mix is setup to work with:
C
LF RF
x
LR RR
this is the arrangement that the headset has:
LF RF
LC x RC
LR RR
:headscratch:
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That doesnt change the facts of the situation one bit.
There is no situation Miles is a stereo capable system
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this is the arrangement that the headset has:
LF RF
LC x RC
LR RR
:headscratch:
Logically LC and RC are wired to a double mono, which makes the sound seem to come from front. My SpeedLink Medusa 5.1 headset has a similar setup, but also a fourth pair of 'subwoofers' with a vibrating effect, also double mono. They share one plug. To be honest I can't tell the difference between them and a good stereo headset with the Audiodemo of my motherboard's Realtek sound circuit. But then again, if my earflaps were protruding, they might separate the front and rear speaker elements to create a better 3d effect...
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its not the double mono I was looking at, more that the Centre sounds should be level with or just infront of the LF/RF, not behind them as with the headset - thats the point of the Centre speaker, to give "depth" ie. distance ahead of the Front mix.
however, double mono is also a problem because it is not the same as a sound placed in the centre of a stereo mix ...
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Well, I'm not a headphone engineer, so I can't tell if they are just wired to double mono or if they are regular stereo with the front signal panned in the middle to make it sound as it came from 12, or if they have some electric circuit to do the panning. Nevertheless, as long as we don't have a third ear in the middle of our foreheads, it's impossible to make headphones with a single front centre speaker element. I guess the multiple element design works best with your diagram to make a difference between front and back, the centre thing being more like in the movies reproducing mostly the dialogue. In fact, I think the helmet thing in the beginning would beat all headphones measured by the veracity of the 3D experience.
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There is no situation Miles is a stereo capable system
Here is all you need to know about Miles:
"Miles is also designed to tolerate bad input data - it just keeps cranking along until the input data gets better again."
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Here is all you need to know about Miles:
"Miles is also designed to tolerate bad input data - it just keeps cranking along until the input data gets better again."
Dont think we will ever get anywhere with this you see it your way i see it mine.
I guess we will have too agree to disagree .........
My tips were for the best bang for a low price seeing how the Economy is in the tank as of late.
I`ll make my sounds you make yours.........Im re-releasing my Mono pack as I have had some requests for them.
Stereo will be available for still for those whom love it but those whom prefer mono
Mono pack is available and complete up to date, Tb out
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Dont think we will ever get anywhere with this you see it your way i see it mine.
I guess we will have too agree to disagree .........
My tips were for the best bang for a low price seeing how the Economy is in the tank as of late.
I`ll make my sounds you make yours.........Im re-releasing my Mono pack as I have had some requests for them.
Stereo will be available for still for those whom love it but those whom prefer mono
Mono pack is available and complete up to date, Tb out
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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Wrong
(http://www.turtlebeach.com/Portals/0/Products/PC/HPA2/Tabs_Html/images/HPA2_Details1.jpg)
(http://www.turtlebeach.com/Portals/0/Products/PC/HPA2/Tabs_Html/images/HPA2_Details3_AMP.jpg)
Huh? :D
You have no concept of a center channel or a subwoofer it seems.
FYI a subwoofer is a bass driver that provides subsonic frequencies that for most part can not be directly heard, only felt through your body. So by definition any headphone can _not_ have a subwoofer. Well, unless you like to walk around hanging 100 pound heavy boxes on your ears :)
And a center channel is also impossible unless you insert a speaker in your frontal lobe. :)
It's pretty much the definition of a gimmick to have a 'sub' driver in your headphones. Why? Because any standard 40mm headphone driver can produce an ample amount of low range sound since it directly modulates the airspace inside the ear which changes the acoustic laws quite a bit. So any audible sound is covered pretty much automatically. And the real kicker or lack of is the sheer impossibility to produce the low audio thump and vibrations typically associated with subwoofers.
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I'd expect them to be in a calibration utility if it was a serious attempt at surround.
You guys completely miss the point of these headsets. These are *NOT* a "serious" attempt at quality surround sound. This is a "casual" attempt at decent surround sound at a price point that the average "gamer" can afford. No one EVER claimed that these headphones can compete with multi thousand dollar surround setups, and no one EVER claimed that these perfectly represent 3D positioning.
However, for a $80-100 piece of hardware they do a pretty dang good job!
Not everyone is an audiophile and not every requires the best of the best with it comes to audio.. and heck no everyone can afford the best - or even anywhere close, but for the average joe these headphones work really well at an EXTREMELY GOOD price point. Anyone that claims that a pair of headphones can't produce any kind of surround sound is so removed from reality and so full of themselves that they feel the need to put these down because they have to justify paying thousands of dollars on audio equipment!
Are these as good as a quality surround sound speaker setup? NO! No one is pretending that these are!
Are there non-surround (stereo) headphones that sound better than these and that do a bang up job of virtual surround? YES! No one is arguing this either.
Is this available for less money than these headphones cost? Probably not.
All I can say is that I can sit in a tank wearing these headphones and without moving my head I can hear an enemy tank driving up in the distance and from that sound I can determine if they are left or right of me, in front or behind me, and often get a decent idea as to how far.
Also in a demo that plays a helicopter sound flying around me I can pinpoint location and distance (within reason) including in front or behind me.
This tells me that no matter what you claim.. headphone surround sound does in fact work. Is it perfect? Probably not. But for under $100 I don't believe anything is.
I don't understand why you keep claiming this is a gimmick. I understand that virtual surround is very good and all that but why put these down just because they use real surround sound? Granted the speakers are close together but they do enter the ears from different angles and all-in-all any sound no matter what the source still has to enter the ear from different angles in order to be properly perceived. Does the closeness of the speakers sacrifice quality? I'm sure it does but again we're talking about a sub $100 piece of equipment here!
I'm happy with the sound. I'm happy with the surround sound. I'm happy with the quality (over 5 years now!) and I'm DEFINITELY happy with the price. Isn't that ultimately all that matters?
If these were being sold at extremely inflated prices while claiming that the headphone surround in itself justifies a several hundred dollar price tag than yes.. I might agree with you about the whole "gimmicky" thing but.. even when new I think these retailed at $120 and even at that price IN MY OPINION these are a huge bargain!
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You are missing the point Tigger. These headsets require that you have a 5.1 sound card and then they are nothing more than a good set of stereo headsets. You could have a full 5.1 setup AND a stereo headset at the same time and enjoy both. With this headset thats not possible.
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Huh? :D
You have no concept of a center channel or a subwoofer it seems.
FYI a subwoofer is a bass driver that provides subsonic frequencies that for most part can not be directly heard, only felt through your body. So by definition any headphone can _not_ have a subwoofer. Well, unless you like to walk around hanging 100 pound heavy boxes on your ears :)
And a center channel is also impossible unless you insert a speaker in your frontal lobe. :)
It's pretty much the definition of a gimmick to have a 'sub' driver in your headphones. Why? Because any standard 40mm headphone driver can produce an ample amount of low range sound since it directly modulates the airspace inside the ear which changes the acoustic laws quite a bit. So any audible sound is covered pretty much automatically. And the real kicker or lack of is the sheer impossibility to produce the low audio thump and vibrations typically associated with subwoofers.
Thanks for the insults....
Fine go spend 2k on a surround sound speaker setup. we are talking headphones for cheap they work great try a pair yourself vs 1 speaker headphones
not all of us can drop 2k
sennheiser, koss, beyerdynamics 100 too 200 vs turtlebeach 50 too 70 if ya got the cash waste it but i like to be economical when it comes to a hobby
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Thanks for the insults....
Fine go spend 2k on a surround sound speaker setup. we are talking headphones for cheap they work great try a pair yourself vs 1 speaker headphones
not all of us can drop 2k
sennheiser, koss, beyerdynamics 100 too 200 vs turtlebeach 50 too 70 if ya got the cash waste it but i like to be economical when it comes to a hobby
thin skinned? no? god sake man we are talking about headphones here lol.
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You can get a 5.1 setup for $60 and a nice pair of headphones for $25. Even with shipping factored in that comes to less than 5.1 phones. The sound card is where the real difference is unless you have an ear for quality audio in which case your audio purchase wont stop at card and speakers anyway.
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thin skinned? no? god sake man we are talking about headphones here lol.
Pot meet Kettle
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maybe a little off track here butI just recently got surround sounds system for TV and now it seems that the sound only comes through when there is the main sounds. Confusing I know.
For example: When the characters are talking I get all the noise but as soon as they stop talking all the background noise goes away. The same thing happens when the music is the main sound and it stops.
Can anyone tell me if it most likely is a bad unit or could it be a setting on the system.
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maybe a little off track here butI just recently got surround sounds system for TV and now it seems that the sound only comes through when there is the main sounds. Confusing I know.
For example: When the characters are talking I get all the noise but as soon as they stop talking all the background noise goes away. The same thing happens when the music is the main sound and it stops.
Can anyone tell me if it most likely is a bad unit or could it be a setting on the system.
the surround sound is not coming in right. could be for several things, your tv doesnt send it to the stereo, the stereo doesnt have the "surround" sound setting on, the cable/sat box isnt sending surround sound signals. or you can have a bad unit.
my surround sound sometimes freaks me out because i hear steps, knockss from my door or behind me. that's how it should be. and I only paid about 400 bucks 5 or 6 years ago.
semp
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someone was throwing mine away...they said it broke...the little cable that connected the power butten broke lose... ELECTRIC TAPE FTW!
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do they sound good to the user?? Then why all the debate. if you don't like the way they sound don't buy them... unless you have a deep driving competitive urge that won't let you rest until you prove you are right to the world. Jeeeeez don't over complicate it
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... don't over complicate it
That is precisely how these 5.1 headsets came into being in the first place.
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well I followed this thread with interest as my old g35 headset broke and needed a new one. I had an old really good pair of stereo headset and was able to have 3d surround sound. was good and just slightly worst than my g35.
I decided to follow the recommendation of getting the turtle beach z6a which was the upgrade to the h2a something or another. was about to order them and decided to look at the reviews and found out that your mike always plays on your headset and no way around it. some found it annoying. but the biggest complain of all was that it leaves your ears black if you have them for a period of time and you sweat. go figure.
anyway decided to get the tritton PC510HDa USB Powered 5.1 Surround Sound
http://www.amazon.com/Tritton-PC510HDa-Powered-Surround-Headset/dp/B004W7PHVO/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1330660024&sr=8-10
I just gotta say wow. they are so much better than my g35 specially the booms in the game. the stereo with simulated sound is sure as hell not the same as with this set. just my own opinion of course. I just needed to get y split adapters so I can hook my my speakers to the sound card as well.
anyway learned a lot from this about how to set up simulated surround sound with stereo headsets and how most so called "surround" headsets arent really surround. but then again those with 4 speakers are so much better than the others with simulated surround. you can hear better the direction of the plane that is coming and best you can hear several sounds at same time.
semp
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If you could then add a tube to drink beer and clapping hands you'd be set.
Anyone thinking "Inspector Gadget"?!
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How do you like the Z6A? Do they work as well as the old HPA2?
Cheap & broken after a few months don't buy them.