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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: scottak on March 05, 2012, 07:06:39 PM
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A must be for the game because it was the U.S.'s first fighter specially designed for night fighting. After the teething proablems were worked out by mid-late 1942, it proved to be an excellent night fighter, and was deployed quite successfuly in the European and Pacific theaters. It's payload was also very substantial: 6,396 lbs of weaponry could be carried externaly as wel as being fitted with 4 .8 in. cannons in the chin, 4 .5 Mg's in the remote-controled dorsal turret. Top speed: 366 mph at 20,300 ft; crew:2-3; service ceiling: 38,300 ft; range: 2995 miles with out extra fuel tanks.
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in a game that doesn't have night, yup we NEED a night fighter :rolleyes:
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in a game that doesn't have night, yup we NEED a night fighter :rolleyes:
yes the game actualy has night some times. i forgot to put into the post for speacial arenas. and you dont realy even need it for night fighting: it would be better at strafing than the typhoon and in some ways the b-25 h
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yes the game actualy has night some times. i forgot to put into the post for speacial arenas. and you dont realy even need it for night fighting: it would be better at strafing than the typhoon and in some ways the b-25 h
No, this game hasn't had a night time quite a few years. The game has dawn and dusk times but not night.
ack-ack
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No, this game hasn't had a night time quite a few years. The game has dawn and dusk times but not night.
ack-ack
oh well it would still make a great high speed ground- attack aircraft
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It would be an interesting addition, for sure. I don't know how many times people have asked for that and the HE111. Be glad we have the B-29 now, that was weekly request. haha.
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in some ways the b-25 h
Dude, you've been smoking the good stuff. The most heavily armed variant I can find was the XP-61E, and it had 4 .50s and 4 20mms. plus 6300 lbs of ords.
B-25H: 1 75mm, 8 nose mounted .50 cals, plus 6 more in 4 different positions.
The P-61 at best only had 4 .50 cals to shoot at the enemy, and from only 1 positions, at that.
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in a game that doesn't have night, yup we NEED a night fighter :rolleyes:
in a game without night, it needs night.
maybe having a night time would have been a better wish for the OP. however i would still like to fly a P-61 sometime down the road
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Dude, you've been smoking the good stuff. The most heavily armed variant I can find was the XP-61E, and it had 4 .50s and 4 20mms. plus 6300 lbs of ords.
B-25H: 1 75mm, 8 nose mounted .50 cals, plus 6 more in 4 different positions.
The P-61 at best only had 4 .50 cals to shoot at the enemy, and from only 1 positions, at that.
when i said better in some ways, i meant in speed, maneuverability, and now that you pointed that out, let me restate the stats: p-61c Maximum speed was 430 mph (690 km/h) at 30,000 ft (9,000 m), service ceiling was 41,000 ft (12,500 m), and an altitude of 30,000 ft (9,000 m) could be attained in 14.6 minutes. p-61c more info on it from another source: Armament: Four .50-cal. machine guns in upper turret and four 20mm cannons in belly; 6,400 lbs. of bombs
Engines: Two Pratt & Whitney R-2800s of 2,100 hp each
Maximum speed: 425 mph
Cruising speed: 275 mph
Range: 1,200 miles
Ceiling: 46,200 ft.
Span: 66 ft.
Length: 49 ft. 7 in.
Height: 14 ft. 8 in.
Weight: 35,855 lbs. loaded
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when i said better in some ways, i meant in speed, maneuverability, and now that you pointed that out, let me restate the stats: p-61c Maximum speed was 430 mph (690 km/h) at 30,000 ft (9,000 m), service ceiling was 41,000 ft (12,500 m), and an altitude of 30,000 ft (9,000 m) could be attained in 14.6 minutes. p-61c more info on it from another source: Armament: Four .50-cal. machine guns in upper turret and four 20mm cannons in belly; 6,400 lbs. of bombs
Engines: Two Pratt & Whitney R-2800s of 2,100 hp each
Maximum speed: 425 mph
Cruising speed: 275 mph
Range: 1,200 miles
Ceiling: 46,200 ft.
Span: 66 ft.
Length: 49 ft. 7 in.
Height: 14 ft. 8 in.
Weight: 35,855 lbs. loaded
right from wikieditya?
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in a game without night, it needs night.
maybe having a night time would have been a better wish for the OP. however i would still like to fly a P-61 sometime down the road
We won't have night, been there did that. People logged off in droves and came back when "dawn" came around. Hitech has said night won't be back.
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right from wikieditya?
nope
1st part and 2nd part from a book 3rd part from a guy i know that works on ww2 planes at a museum near me.
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P-61C was post war. The wartime P-61A and P-61B had a top speed of 360mph.
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We won't have night, been there did that. People logged off in droves and came back when "dawn" came around. Hitech has said night won't be back.
I know. but I loved it.
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nope
1st part and 2nd part from a book 3rd part from a guy i know that works on ww2 planes at a museum near me.
really?P-61C was post war. The wartime P-61A and P-61B had a top speed of 360mph.
OWNED LOL
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when i said better in some ways, i meant in speed, maneuverability, and now that you pointed that out, let me restate the stats: p-61c Maximum speed was 430 mph (690 km/h) at 30,000 ft (9,000 m), service ceiling was 41,000 ft (12,500 m), and an altitude of 30,000 ft (9,000 m) could be attained in 14.6 minutes. p-61c more info on it from another source: Armament: Four .50-cal. machine guns in upper turret and four 20mm cannons in belly; 6,400 lbs. of bombs
Engines: Two Pratt & Whitney R-2800s of 2,100 hp each
Maximum speed: 425 mph
Cruising speed: 275 mph
Range: 1,200 miles
Ceiling: 46,200 ft.
Span: 66 ft.
Length: 49 ft. 7 in.
Height: 14 ft. 8 in.
Weight: 35,855 lbs. loaded
Max takeoff weight: 35,000 lbs. almost 900 lbs less than P-61.
Range: 1,350 miles. extra 150 over the P-61.
I'd still take the B-25H. And what you described above (^) were characteristics of an airplane not a strafer
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Max takeoff weight: 35,000 lbs. almost 900 lbs less than P-61.
Range: 1,350 miles. extra 150 over the P-61.
I'd still take the B-25H. And what you described above (^) were characteristics of an airplane not a strafer
well you can keep the b-25, it's a very good airplane, but at least this one can fly away from most fighters if you see them when they are a ways away.
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if by most fighters you mean the a6m and the f4f...then yeah
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if by most fighters you mean the a6m and the f4f...then yeah
no f6f and possibly 109g6 and g12
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The C is the super twin monster you want, it didn't fight in WW2. The B could probably outrun mid war single engine fighters with the exception of a few, but that's under Ideal conditions. Are you gunna fly it in it's ideal performance envelope all the time?
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Fly a Mossie if you want a bomb bay that can run away.
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The C is the super twin monster you want, it didn't fight in WW2. The B could probably outrun mid war single engine fighters with the exception of a few, but that's under Ideal conditions. Are you gunna fly it in it's ideal performance envelope all the time?
no i didn't know that the c variant was post-war. I'm not good in the p-61 topic. i do know that it is a good bird. and yes you will most likely say " you should read up more on your facts before you post." and well i did. nothing came up that said the c variant was post-war.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_P-61_Black_Widow
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_P-61_Black_Widow
CRAP!!! THEY FOUND OUT!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOO! jk ya i got some of that info from wiki but i was VERY careful making sure it was accurate. i crossed- checked it with my books and other websites. it was lagit.
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I'll be honest, I'd love to see the P-61B added eventually and I think it would see a lot of use in AH, maybe even to the point of being perked, but that use would mostly be based on its good maneuverability, quad of Hispanos in the belly and the 6,400lbs of bombs it could carry.
If you want the best night fighter that served in WWII you'd ask for the Mosquito NF.Mk 30. It also has a quad of Hispanos in the belly, but it could do 425mph or so but could only carry a single 500lb bomb under each wing.
Both the P-61 and Mosquito NF.Mk 30 saw service during daylight as well as at night owing to the increasingly absent Luftwaffe and Imperial Japanese air forces.
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I'll be honest, I'd love to see the P-61B added eventually and I think it would see a lot of use in AH, maybe even to the point of being perked, but that use would mostly be based on its good maneuverability, quad of Hispanos in the belly and the 6,400lbs of bombs it could carry.
If you want the best night fighter that served in WWII you'd ask for the Mosquito NF.Mk 30. It also has a quad of Hispanos in the belly, but it could do 425mph or so but could only carry a single 500lb bomb under each wing.
Both the P-61 and Mosquito NF.Mk 30 saw service during daylight as well as at night owing to the increasingly absent Luftwaffe and Imperial Japanese air forces.
very well put and that is what i was trying to say but couldnt realy figure out how in a way that would be simple
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Ok for the afficianados among you...
P-61B versus A-20.
We can compare charts and stats but which bird is better in the dogfight? I would expect the Mossy owns bot so its up for second place. My vote is P-61B.
Boo
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it would be better at strafing than the typhoon and in some ways the b-25 h
We have a night fighter B-25H skin in game.
418TH NFS By Greebo.
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in a game that doesn't have night, yup we NEED a night fighter :rolleyes:
has davidwales returned
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has davidwales returned
maybe we havnt found him yet. they seem to think it's me.
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maybe we havnt found him yet. they seem to think it's me.
Judging by the way your suggestions work, and by how accurate some of the information you put on here seems to be, I don't blame them. Did you ever happen to have the highest honour of knowing him?
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Judging by the way your suggestions work, and by how accurate some of the information you put on here seems to be, I don't blame them. Did you ever happen to have the highest honour of knowing him?
no, although I've read many of his post, like the donkey rocket propelled grenade, and my favorite: obituary of David wales. and I'm pretty sure that most, if not all, of my info on my suggestions are 99.9999999999999999% accurate. oh and guys, if david said that he will be banned around feb. 3 or 6th, how come his profile said he was last on feb. 20th?
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Ok for the afficianados among you...
P-61B versus A-20.
We can compare charts and stats but which bird is better in the dogfight? I would expect the Mossy owns bot so its up for second place. My vote is P-61B.
Boo
P-61B hands down. I know that in a fly off against a war weary Mosquito Mk II the P-61A was the superior fighter by a significant margin.
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P-61B hands down. I know that in a fly off against a war weary Mosquito Mk II the P-61A was the superior fighter by a significant margin.
Wow! I wanted this bird before, now for sure...P61,P61,P61!!
Boo
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Wow! I wanted this bird before, now for sure...P61,P61,P61!!
Boo
Keep in mind that the Mosquito F.Mk II had significantly lower performance than the Mosquito Mk VI we have in AH and how much additional performance the example in the duel was lacking due to being worn out is not known.
That said, if I were to engage a P-61B with the Mosquito Mk VI we have in AH I would not be turning with the P-61, but rather I'd be trying to use my superior speed. I am not sure what the P-61's climb rate is like, it has powerful engines, but is very heavy as well.
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I'm a big fan of the -61, patience is a virtue I suppose.
Boo
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and yes you will most likely say " you should read up more on your facts before you post." and well i did. nothing came up that said the c variant was post-war.
then you should get better sources.
ack-ack
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P-61B hands down. I know that in a fly off against a war weary Mosquito Mk II the P-61A was the superior fighter by a significant margin.
Stomped the P-47N as well I like this story. :D
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P-612-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P-614-2.jpg)
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Stomped the P-47N as well I like this story. :D
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P-612-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P-614-2.jpg)
great article. I think this proves our point/s. I think that puts the P-61a,b and possibly c(ya ya ya, i know, its postwar, but I know a lot of people that would love it in the game) in the waiting lists.
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ya ya ya, i know, its postwar
Then you know why it won't be modeled for the game under current HTC policy.
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Then you know why it won't be modeled for the game under current HTC policy.
i know its wishful thinking but it would be nice. I was just stating that i would be nce to have it, wasnt realy hoping it would be put into the game.
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Great story, which I've read before. In skimming this article twice I only see a reference to "P-61." It is June of 1945, is this the P-61B? Should be on the short list for one of the next birds created.
Boo
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Great story, which I've read before. In skimming this article twice I only see a reference to "P-61." It is June of 1945, is this the P-61B? Should be on the short list for one of the next birds created.
Boo
It was probably a B but the 548th NFS operated both A and B models up until the end of the war.
As for being on a short list, I really don't think so as this plane is not vital or really needed for that matter. There are already planes in the game that do the job of the P-61 just as good as the P-61 could if it was added to the game. The P-61 would basically replace the A-20 as an attack craft and as I mentioned, brings absolutely nothing new to the table.
ack-ack
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It was probably a B but the 548th NFS operated both A and B models up until the end of the war.
As for being on a short list, I really don't think so as this plane is not vital or really needed for that matter. There are already planes in the game that do the job of the P-61 just as good as the P-61 could if it was added to the game. The P-61 would basically replace the A-20 as an attack craft and as I mentioned, brings absolutely nothing new to the table.
ack-ack
On the highway to hell, huh Ack-Ack? ;) my Pakistani friend was looking over my shoulder and laughed :P
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No, this game hasn't had a night time quite a few years. The game has dawn and dusk times but not night.
ack-ack
Dont fly AVA much do you bud?
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We do need the P-61B. It would likely replace the A-20 for most sticks though that's ok. The PonyD replaces the PonyB, 47N earlier 47D models (or is it the 47M), Dhog and Chog A and A1 models, Dora the bravo-8. It is the nature of things. Yes, Cobra would likely dump the A-20 and pwn people in the P-61.
Makes sense and something this game needs at some point. Clearly the Me-410 first. Then, from reading many posts, a couple Japanese planes, Yak3 and maybe the French 510 though at some point in the next couple years...P-61B baby!!
Just my two empassioned cents!
Boo
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I to am a big P-61 fan... I would love to see it in the game eventually. :)
--Mitch
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I really do hope we dont get all these latest-possible ww2 hotrod's , but scenario-usable He111 ,beaufighters do17 and ju52,helldiver's etc
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I really do hope we dont get all these latest-possible ww2 hotrod's , but scenario-usable He111 ,beaufighters do17 and ju52,helldiver's etc
Aye.
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A gummy bear must be for the game because it was the U.S.'s first fighter specially designed for gummy bear fighting. After the teething proablems the gummy bears were worked out by mid-late 1942, it proved to be an excellent gummy bear fighter, and was deployed quite successfuly in the gummy bear theaters. It's payload was also very substantial: 6,396 lbs of gummy bears could be carried externaly as well as being fitted with 4 .8 in. gummy bearcannons in the chin, 4 .5 gummy bear Mg's in the remote-controled dorsal turret. Top speed: 366 mph at 20,300 ft; crew:2-3 gummy bears; service ceiling: 38,300 ft; range: 2995 miles with out extra fuel tanks.
Whatever you say bro
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GUMMY BEARS!!!!!!!!!!
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Revenge is sweet :rofl