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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Yarbles on March 28, 2012, 05:19:40 AM
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But which one?
Obvious candidates are the Cromwell and the Churchill but I can't see either having much of a role with the 75mm M4 gun. However the britiish Quick Fire 6lber with AP might be a better option in both for taking out enemy armour.
Personally I would like to see the Commet perked between the Firefly and the Panzer.
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/Yarbles/300px-Comet_tank_1.jpg)
Thoughts?
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Specifications, please... im a total laic in the british armor.
But new tanks gets a +1, some british, some soviet (IS2, Su-100), i wouldnt mind some german armor tho (Hetzer, jagdpanzer4)
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Comet is the father to the Centurian. It is classic and deadly. I would +2 the Comet and I haven't been in a tank for over a year.
Boo
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I havent got any reliable figures at my fingertips but.
1) The Commet would be like a 32MPH version of the Firefly.
2) The Cromwell pottentaily a 40mph Sherman 75mm but ideally with the British 6lber and late war ammo a close range tank destroyer I would favour over the M18.
3) The Churchill with thicker frontal armour than the Tiger and a 6lber but only a 15MPH top speed still a good base defender.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_tank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwell_tank
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Any quite frankly.
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1) The Commet would be like a 32MPH version of the Firefly.
3) The Churchill with thicker frontal armour than the Tiger and a 6lber but only a 15MPH top speed still a good base defender.
Well, sounds allright for me. HTC just simplifyed the GV system (no internal design needed) so i hope theese get added soon. Would be nice to see a detailed armor diagram tho.
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+2 to all of them!
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Would be good to see a Proper British tank.
Infantry Tank II Matilda
Infantry Tank III Valentine
Infantry Tank IV Churchill
Cruiser VI Crusader
Cruiser VIII Cromwell
All would make good additions and add depth to the ground game.
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I think the early tanks like the mattilda with the 2LB gun would not get used much.
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The Valentine or the Crusader would be the best choices, imo.
A: It would help fill out the EW/MW tank roster.
B: It would be easy to have both the 2 Pdr and 6 Pdr variants (swap out main guns only).
C: I didnt mention the Cromwell because it offers nothing that the M4/75mm doesnt save for 4-5mph more speed. OR... if HTC did add the Cromwell allow for both 6Pdr and 75mm variants.
D: The Comet would be like adding the Pershing. It hardly say use and there are MANY other tanks HTC could/should put their resources towards, imo.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruiser_Mk_VIII_Challenger
How about this?
Remember only about 100 of these were ever built:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirbelwind
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I am hesitant to agree... I direct you to this thread...
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,331178.0.html
:noid
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I am hesitant to agree... I direct you to this thread...
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,331178.0.html
:noid
:lol
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The best option is the Cromwell if the late war Ammo in the 6lber is effective. I read the 6lber even with the mid war ammo could kill a tiger at close range through the frontal armour. I don't think the 75mm could do that at any range.
32 Mph with a low perk and with an effective ap round would be a good addition mayne even 40MPH if we had the unfgoverned engine.
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The best option is the Cromwell if the late war Ammo in the 6lber is effective. I read the 6lber even with the mid war ammo could kill a tiger at close range through the frontal armour. I don't think the 75mm could do that at any range.
32 Mph with a low perk and with an effective ap round would be a good addition mayne even 40MPH if we had the unfgoverned engine.
At 1000 yards the 6 Pdr APDS Shot Mk.I (Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot) could defeat 110mm of 30° armor. So, it would have a fighting chance but it would have to use its speed to the utmost because it doesn't have the armor to slug it out with anything. The Cromwell's armor was on par with the Sherman and Panzer IV. With the 6Pdr and the LW high velocity AP rounds, it might just add in something we do not currently have: a fast (tank), medium armor, fast firing (20 shots a minute), good AP ability under 1000 yards, average AP ability under 1600, and worthless AP beyond 2000 yards. Oh, and a poor HE round (similar to US M4/76mm).
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At 1000 yards the 6 Pdr APDS Shot Mk.I (Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot) could defeat 110mm of 30° armor. So, it would have a fighting chance but it would have to use its speed to the utmost because it doesn't have the armor to slug it out with anything. The Cromwell's armor was on par with the Sherman and Panzer IV. With the 6Pdr and the LW high velocity AP rounds, it might just add in something we do not currently have: a fast (tank), medium armor, fast firing (20 shots a minute), good AP ability under 1000 yards, average AP ability under 1600, and worthless AP beyond 2000 yards. Oh, and a poor HE round (similar to US M4/76mm).
Sounds good as a low or unperked tank especially 20 rounds per minute :aok
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why does it matter what model of tank is used when the majority of AH ground warfare consists of spawn camping? :headscratch:
what a waste of time...I personally would prefer HTC to put their time and effort into making the gameplay more interesting (a change to work around the spawn camping rubbish would be a nice start), fixing the bugs introduced in recent patches, and adding some better maps :pray
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why does it matter what model of tank is used when the majority of AH ground warfare consists of spawn camping? :headscratch:
what a waste of time...I personally would prefer HTC to put their time and effort into making the gameplay more interesting (a change to work around the spawn camping rubbish would be a nice start), fixing the bugs introduced in recent patches, and adding some better maps :pray
Since you don't participate in the ground war why are you trolling my thread ?
The ground war would be improved by shortening the distances involved. Most people play for the air war and the ground war is an added and valuable bonus. If you have along drive as opposed to a long flight you cant just go off and make a cup of tea leaving your gv on auto as it will crash into a tree for example or roll.
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Since you don't participate in the ground war why are you trolling my thread ?
Maybe I would participate in the ground war if it wasn't so laughably awful
This is 2012 and it's a pay-to-play game :bhead Playing Combat on my Atari 2600 is 10x more fun than the GV fights in AH currently
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Maybe I would participate in the ground war if it wasn't so laughably awful
This is 2012 and it's a pay-to-play game :bhead Playing Combat on my Atari 2600 is 10x more fun the GV fights in AH currently
I dont know about that but allot of people do play it in ah and allot of development has gone into it recently. Comparing a console game against a small company like HTC is a bit unfair. What HTC provide is an amazing flight model which so far as in during the last 5 and a half years I have found to be nearly faultless. We can talk of what is available elsewhere but the realisty is that seems to be unique. I find the ground war similar in its fidelity to the relative mertis of the vehicles involved and how they perform.
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heheh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m86ftny1uY
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heheh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m86ftny1uY
Thanks for you usefull contribution I am sure you have given everyone allot to think about :rolleyes:
:lol :D
I am actually quite excited at the idea of High Teck adding the Cromwell with the 6lb gun after smokin loons contribution :(
"The ROQF 75 mm was chiefly used on the Churchill and Cromwell tanks. The weapon was used in Italy and Normandy Invasion (and possibly in Burma against the Japanese[citation needed]) until the end of the war. While the 75 mm was a conversion from the 6 pounder, some units retained a number of 6 pounder gunned tanks, due to its superior anti tank firepower over the 75 mm, especially as the 6 pounder could use the even more effective APCR and APDS rounds."
British tank guns of the Second World War
6 pdr AP shot 3,000 Feet Per Second
75 mm 14.9 Lb 2,050 Feet Per Second
The 6lber version of the Cromwell makes it a more effective anti tank tank than the sherman 75mm and this could also be applied to the Crusader with late war ammunition for its 6lber.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusader_tank
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+1 Comet
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The Comet used a 77mm OQF (Ordnance Quick Firing) Mk II which was a shortened 17 pdr designed to fit the turret, and it used exactly the same types of shells as the 17 pdr; Muzzle Velocity 17 lb 2,600 fps armour penetration 109mm at 500 yds/30º (shell type not specified)
The 17 pdr had a mv of 2,900 fps, 120mm armour at 500 yds/30º; with 8.15 lb APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot) mv 3,950 fps 186mm armour.
*data from http://www.amazon.com/British-American-Tanks-World-War/dp/0304355291 203-204
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The Comet used a 77mm OQF (Ordnance Quick Firing) Mk II which was a shortened 17 pdr designed to fit the turret, and it used exactly the same types of shells as the 17 pdr; Muzzle Velocity 17 lb 2,600 fps armour penetration 109mm at 500 yds/30º (shell type not specified)
The 17 pdr had a mv of 2,900 fps, 120mm armour at 500 yds/30º; with 8.15 lb APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot) mv 3,950 fps 186mm armour.
*data from http://www.amazon.com/British-American-Tanks-World-War/dp/0304355291 203-204
The comet would be nice but the perk price would be similar to the panzer I imagine. I would prefer the the Cromwell with the 6lb gun and late war ammo and the Crusader as a hing eny possibility. Of course all 23 would be nice and throw in the churchill with thicker frontal armour than the tiger and the 6lber for good measure.
The USA currently has 4 armoured fighting vehicles while the UK only has one hybrid. A cromwell with the 6lber would be totally british :salute
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Panther right?
The comet would be nice but the perk price would be similar to the panzer I imagine
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Panther right?
Yep :o
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After we get the comet we should start bugging hitech for Katyusha rockets.
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After we get the comet we should start bugging hitech for Katyusha rockets.
Evidently you have not noticed how ineffective the 28cm Wurfkorper rockets are from the SdKfz 251??? Actually, they are highly effective at hammering a town, but they are very difficult to employ. A Soviet truck with the Katyusha rockets would probably be even less effective.
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I thought those trucks would have more than 6 rockets.
2xSdKfz 251's are the absolute fastest way to drop a hanger. Those rockets are B.A. but kinda tough to aim.
My thinking was going off the assumption that a truck would be faster than a halftrack and haul more rockets. Nevermind though as it's a russian truck and who knows what they considered fast enough during the war years.
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Maybe I would participate in the ground war if it wasn't so laughably awful
This is 2012 and it's a pay-to-play game :bhead Playing Combat on my Atari 2600 is 10x more fun than the GV fights in AH currently
coombz half the tank battles in the MA i am in consist of attacks of defense of a base away from a spawn... unless it involves the bish at V135...
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The Matilda II would be nice to have. True it would not dominate the feild but it would be unique.
Few facts:
Only british tank to server the length of the war.
It had very good armor for a 1938 tank,
Hull Front, Upper 45-782, 47@67°
Hull Front, Lower 78@0°
Hull Sides, Upper 65-702, 70@30°
Hull Sides, Lower 40@0° + 25@0° (side skirting)
Hull Rear 55@25°, 552
Hull Top 20@90°, 202
Hull Bottom 13-20@90°, 13-202
Turret Front 75@11°, 752
Turret Sides 75@0°, 752
Turret Rear 75@0°, 752
Turret Top 20@90°, 202
Its gun is a little on the weak side, but would be a danger to most most non-perk tanks under 1.5k
2 pdr (40 mm) Mk IX or Mk X
Distance to target (yards): 500 1000 1500 2000
AP penertation (inch)at 30o: 2.28 2.05 1.81 1.57
and its a little on the slow side. 15mph is top speed.
(http://users.swing.be/tanks/edito/matildatobrouk.jpg)
(http://subgrafik.com/armour/panzerflixcom_matilda_build_002.jpg)
Pitty the Aussies never got the matilda hedgehog into battle :devil
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Matilda_Hedgehog(AWM_133687).jpg)
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I thought those trucks would have more than 6 rockets.
2xSdKfz 251's are the absolute fastest way to drop a hanger. Those rockets are B.A. but kinda tough to aim.
My thinking was going off the assumption that a truck would be faster than a halftrack and haul more rockets. Nevermind though as it's a russian truck and who knows what they considered fast enough during the war years.
I doubt HTC would model in supplies for the Katyusha launchers, they'd be dead in the water after firing their 16 rounds. No MG's, no supplies, and no armor at all.
The Katyusha rockets had 40lbs of explosives per rocket, the German 28cm Wurfkorper had 99lbs. The Katyusha rockets had a range of 8500 yards, the 28cm rockets had a range of 2000 yards. Everyone knows how difficult it is to aim and use the Wurfkoper rockets as it is, try using much weaker rockets are an even greater range.
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(http://www.peachmountain.com/5star/images/2008_APG_Tanks/NSengupta_APG_584_2008.jpg)
(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/4224161.jpg)
(http://ww2ni.webs.com/churchill%20tank%20front.jpg)
(http://www.fallingpixel.com/products/28968/mains/0000-Churchill_8.jpg)
(http://ic2.pbase.com/g6/64/606664/2/76484039.k5DQrMr7.jpg)
(http://www.all-hd-wallpapers.com/wallpapers/aircraft/518732.jpg)
(http://www.ifelix.co.uk/flamesofwar/imagesfow002/cromwell02.jpg)
(http://www.war44.com/misc/images/3/Cromwell_infantry_tank.jpg)
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hey butcher that second pic down is from the D-DAY museum in Southsea.
We used to climb over them when we were kids!! pretending to kill Germans.
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The Churchill and Matilda would be decent tanks for their time frame with exception to one major factor: the top speed of the two tanks is 15mph. I don't know about anyone else but to me it already takes "forever" to get one point A to point B in a typical 25 mph Panzer/Sherman/Tiger/Panther, etc. While the Churchill has got the armor to withstand some punishment I just dont see it competing thanks to the speed and 6 Pdr or 75mm main gun. The Cromwell would at least have some speed to make a run for the flank.
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The Churchill and Matilda would be decent tanks for their time frame with exception to one major factor: the top speed of the two tanks is 15mph. I don't know about anyone else but to me it already takes "forever" to get one point A to point B in a typical 25 mph Panzer/Sherman/Tiger/Panther, etc. While the Churchill has got the armor to withstand some punishment I just dont see it competing thanks to the speed and 6 Pdr or 75mm main gun. The Cromwell would at least have some speed to make a run for the flank.
Indeed but the churchill might be good in a defensive cpacity un perked and with the thickest frontal armour in the game.
Look at the thickness of that fron hatch :aok
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Love the Churchill. Has a wooden drinks cabinet you know, and a cigar humidor :old:
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Indeed but the churchill might be good in a defensive cpacity un perked and with the thickest frontal armour in the game.
Look at the thickness of that fron hatch :aok
I know I wouldn't up a Churchill for anything. A: the main gun is good for HE purposes first and foremost because its AP ability is rather lacking. B: It is slower than a 7 year itch. Yeah, it would be able to shrug off a few rounds but eventually it is a sitting duck.
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Love the Churchill. Has a wooden drinks cabinet you know, and a cigar humidor :old:
:lol
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:lol
You could track them easily by their trail of unopened bottles of vermouth.
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I would drive the churchill if they made it the crodile variant.
But the Cromwell would do nicely.
Or the whippy little Wasp Carrier