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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 4brkfast on April 02, 2012, 07:39:54 PM
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'Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.' - Winston Churchill
Take care gents, fun times.
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Take it easy Brkfast. :salute :cheers:
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4brkfast, even though I have been a dick to you I'd hate to see you leave the game...please reconsider unless it's some real life problems that need to be done...but if you must go I apologize for my arrogance. :cheers: :salute
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Damn it! At times I'm the only Deucer left...where the crap are you going? Sheesh!
Boo
EDIT: Turns out this was my 1,000th post...a classic whine. haha
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We are at the other game boo
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:noid
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We are at the other game boo
World of warplanes?
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World of warplanes?
World of Tanks most likely.
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World of Tanks most likely.
eeewe go wash your hands
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eeewe go wash your hands
Is it a game were photo realistic cockpits and having to preform a pre flight check makes the flight modelling more realistic in your opinion??? :-)
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:frown: :cry
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Is it a game were photo realistic cockpits and having to preform a pre flight check makes the flight modelling more realistic in your opinion??? :-)
Not what you think, graphics are excellent but still in the creative phases check your pockets :-)
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if you guys are all quitting can I have tallboy?
he is a genuine British geezer and deserves to fly with the few! I'll look after him I promise.
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if you guys are all quitting can I have tallboy?
he is a genuine British geezer and deserves to fly with the few! I'll look after him I promise.
Back off I call first dibs! ya old fart! :furious
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:salute 4brkfast
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if you guys are all quitting can I have tallboy?
he is a genuine British geezer and deserves to fly with the few! I'll look after him I promise.
*takes off white silk glove* *slaps bruv*
I think not good sir!
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Us with old graphics cards are stuck here for eternity.
We are still a bunch flying in here, admittedly 1/2 the squad left momentarily or permanently for World Of Planes.
you can't fly with a better and friendlier wingman than 4brkfast.
<S> 4brkfast !
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if you guys are all quitting can I have tallboy?
he is a genuine British geezer and deserves to fly with the few! I'll look after him I promise.
:aok :aok :aok :x Perfect fit for The Few, if I do say so myself. :salute Tallboy :rock
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Anyone know if WoP will be using Oleg's physics? This was the case for their previous title, Wings of Prey.
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Kazaa
:frown: :rock :cry :rock :headscratch: :cry :rock
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HiHi ^_^
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HiHi ^_^
Will you ever be more than a film for me? I want to experience your awesome fighting skills. :O Bruv and others say you are unbelievably good. :pray to fight and learn from a FPH's FPH. :pray :rock
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take care
4brkfast
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:salute
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Not what you think, graphics are excellent but still in the creative phases check your pockets :-)
Having a quick look back through you and 4brkfasts last posts, I see you seem to think this is to arcadey because of?? The graphics?? You also based a disagreement for flight modelling on a youtube video! :rofl I think my original comment in this thread is the truth.
To be perfectly honest here 4brkfast is the classic luftwhiner and you james are the kinda guy who thinks a good flight model is how photo realistic the game is. :)
A quote from 4brkfast about Aces High and HTC.
"Where it lacks is the overall battlefield tactics and it's seemingly primitive manner of occupying or capturing enemy territory - but in the perspective of a fighter pilot, it's extremely lacking in it's historical accuracy. The maker of the game doesn't seem to like the Axis planes, or is biased - has a grudge, thinks propaganda is fun - your guess is as good as mine, but to this day every time I'm in a 7 ton p-47 and I completely out-perform a 4 1/2 ton 190, I just have to laugh. Inaccurate isn't the word to describe how Aces High 2's 30mm shoots. It's silly. The spitfire 16 resembles more of a UFO than a World War 2 fighter, their LA-7 appears to be fitted with oxygen and a super charger. Ah2's A-8's weight is about 200 lbs' overweight with the standard 4 20mm package at 100% fuel, which all the charts have listed at 4300KG(4300KG x ~2.205 = 9481 lbs) in AH2 they essentially have it weighed about ~90KG too heavy, I just went in game and looked at the weights at 100% fuel with the 4 20mm's and it listed it at ~9684 lbs. (4390 * 2.205 = 9679)
The Allied bombers appear, by my estimation about 10-20% too small. It may translate in-game to allow them to fly at much faster speeds. Additionally, in AH2 they allow you to focus guns from a formation of 3 to aim all guns within their respective arc of fire on a single target(They converge around 800 yards and when they hit, it appears you can get 3-9 different turrets to hit the target, depending on the position, which means if you attack a B-17 from high left, say, the three waist .50's, the tail dual .50's and the top turret's dual .50's equals 15 .50's). A good shooter in buffs can sometimes be the most dangerous thing flying, I myself have killed numerous foes on a handful of occasions and probably fly on average 1 bomber sortie a month in all my time. In other words it's easy.
I could give you a long list of additional planes they have flat out wrong, greatly under-modeled(and their 'reasoning', excuses, behind it) or over-modeled or just don't perform like history and the pilots said they did. How can it be a simulator if it doesn't follow history? It can't. Bear in mind, this is not coming from a native German or even a European, I'm an American that bleeds dark blue and can sometimes be seen with gull-bent arms while pretending to fly.
Even with the flight characteristic inaccuracies, there are flaws, in my eyes, with the overall game. The 109 G-6 was used continuously from a mid war period into the late war, yet AH2 has only 1 version of this airplane, essentially a lumped up version, even if we beg them for propeller options, powerplant options or even an simple option like an ability to shoot outboard wing cannons exclusively. If you fly a 190 A-8 in Ah2, which is about 200 lbs overweight, flies like a slug, has no propeller option, can't take off the bomb mount and only flies at 1.42 ATA, you can't fire your 30mm wing cannons without also firing your 20mm's! This is where IL-2 blew AH2 out of the sky, the plane detail puts Ah2 to shame, not to mention it's inclination to make the planes, guns and performance accurate.
Regardless of what the intentions are for this game or how it will turn out in the end, I think I can speak for the deucers when I say I really hope if the goal is to make a simulator that great effort would be put into making it accurate and without bias."
:rofl
Good luck to the both of you anyway hope you find what your looking for :salute
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He'll be better off over where the planes are more alike than different.
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so do you guys think Aces High is biased against german planes?
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so do you guys think Aces High is biased against german planes?
No. Dang 109F very very tough :bhead for my Spit8 to beat, as an example.
Look at the Army of Muppets, the 2nd best squad in AH (on my scale), has more FPHs :angel: than any other squad, and how well they do in German aeroplanes. :aok
:old: A muppet in a German aeroplane is quite the fight, quite the fight indeed.
:headscratch: why did I see LDs in Ponies so often? :huh
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so do you guys think Aces High is biased against german planes?
No, but I wonder if the 190's are really modeled correctly...
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No, but I wonder if the 190's are really modeled correctly...
Tell me why you think the 190's aren't modelled correctly?
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Anyone know if WoP will be using Oleg's physics? This was the case for their previous title, Wings of Prey.
Last I read was they were going to try and completely redo the flight model ( FM )...... after mucho complaining about the unrealistic FM during alpha.........
the beta is now running and they are in the evolution process of the FM ( I can not tell if it is actually a completely new FM or if they are just tweaking it )
also note, I have not been in the beta part of the game except for one time....... and has been a while since I posted over there in the alpha forum or on the public boards, due to RL stuff with family and health...
everyone has a different idea of what they think is correct in regards to flight modeling of WW2 planes............ while most all of us have no real clue as to how any of those WW2 planes fly/flown......... since most of us have never even sat in the seat of all of them let alone flown any of them in real life or in a real life dogfight..... most everything is taken from historical data ( <----- depending on the "name" aerial combat simulation game company designing the fm & game....... )
my 2 cents
TC
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"if you guys are all quitting can I have tallboy?"
No Bruv119. You cannot.
Why?
You have Bruv001, Bruv002, ..., Bruv118.
:lol
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if you guys are all quitting can I have tallboy?
he is a genuine British geezer and deserves to fly with the few! I'll look after him I promise.
Back off I call first dibs! ya old fart! :furious
Shotgun
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Will you ever be more than a film for me? I want to experience your awesome fighting skills. :O Bruv and others say you are unbelievably good. :pray to fight and learn from a FPH's FPH. :pray :rock
I'm now just another shadow of AH past, a slight forum lurker also.
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everyone has a different idea of what they think is correct in regards to flight modeling of WW2 planes............ while most all of us have no real clue as to how any of those WW2 planes fly/flown......... since most of us have never even sat in the seat of all of them let alone flown any of them in real life or in a real life dogfight..... most everything is taken from historical data ( <----- depending on the "name" aerial combat simulation game company designing the fm & game....... )
No one can really know for sure, I do know that a flight model based on well researched hard cold facts would be more likely to be accurate than one based on a youtube video, or someones paranoia. :rolleyes:
I think its important to call out someone like 4brkfast on his complete lack of reasoning, he cannot back up any of his arguments about flight modelling except when he exchanges reality for 'his reality'. People are entitled to their own opinion but when your opinion is confronted with the facts a rational man changes his opinion, a delusional one keeps his.
I know in his post hes quoted as being a very reasonable gull winged armed corsair blue blood bleeding American kinda guy, but it just looks to me like he is accusing Hitech of what he is guilty of, and has perhaps convinced a lot of his squad of that fact as well. His arguments have no reasoning to them except his own delusional bias, or as an excuse for his own failings in the game.
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We are at the other game boo
The grass isn't always greener, although it may have better graphics. I'll stick to the place where I feel the FM is more accurate and the eye candy isn't the only draw. The smoothing code that HTC uses alone makes this game much better than other sims, where you 'fly on rails' to prevent strange flight patterns.
I just had an epiphany; Aces High is like marriage. Sure, other younger games may look a bit prettier, but they aren't stable either in modeling or in duration.
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a slight forum lurker also.
So it was you that knocked over our wheelie bin. :furious
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so do you guys think Aces High is biased against german planes?
No. I think they are using the historical information to get as close to possible on all planes. Why would they want to handicap any aircraft. There is simply no reason to do so.
If you have historical documentation that there may be an issue then submit it to HiTech along with any supporting information.
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so do you guys think Aces High is biased against german planes?
Why would there be a bias?
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So back to 4B your jackers....
<S> Buddy, sorry to see you go, your one LD I really liked to fight. :salute
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Some ppl have other needs that need to be filled, I lost interest in AHs tanking game for the simple fact the 1 shot deaths didnt happen like they do in AH.
Other Games seem to have it more accurate than others, I almost forgot over 70+ GV to choose from.
I am actually in search of another game like AH myself.
Not sure why you guys are so upset because a few ppl leave the game.
Makes me wonder even more about you totem pole guys.
EDIT: Kinda funny they say most of you that responded in this thread are good guys now I see what they really meant. :rolleyes:
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Why would there be a bias?
I believe some folks would rather blame anything but their own cartoon ability.
In the end talk is cheap.... I would prefer they show the evidence that can be backed up with cold hard documented facts. HiTech is not known for making changes on a whim like some game makers.
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Some ppl have other needs that need to be filled, I lost interest in AHs tanking game for the simple fact the 1 shot deaths didnt happen like they do in AH.
Other Games seem to have it more accurate than others, I almost forgot over 70+ GV to choose from.
I am actually in search of another game like AH myself.
Not sure why you guys are so upset because a few ppl leave the game.
Makes me wonder even more about you totem pole guys.
EDIT: Kinda funny they say most of you that responded in this thread are good guys now I see what they really meant. :rolleyes:
This is one reason I am starting up my War in the Pacific PBEM, frankly an hour preparing to defend/attack on a board game is more fun then watching a horde roll bases and you can't get a decent fight.
Slowly losing interest in fact I cannot find a fight, Snapshots, FSO's and Scenarios are one/two hour events.
I figure to wait around till the Me-410 comes out then probably leave afterwards, probably will buy up a few games from MatrixGames (they do war games/simulators).
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Atleast those other game makers do what is asked of the Customers.
Seen a thread asking about the ME410 and next thing ya know you monkeys got so upset because he wanted an update on the new A/C.
I found it funny considering the fact of so many games that base the creation of new A/C off of what the Customers want not what they think will be better.
If you are paying 15 every month to be told nothing of the new content whats the point of sticking around in the same 7.2 for the next 4 years?
I may be too harsh but you guys asked for it. :lol
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Tell me why you think the 190's aren't modelled correctly?
They don't turn for anything.
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Cya 4B!
:salute
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They don't turn for anything.
Most who fly them are not turning. They just come through and move away hastily.
I was a bit surprised anyone considered turning. :)
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Most who fly them are not turning. They just come through and move away hastily.
I was a bit surprised anyone considered turning. :)
You mean like when you flew against my 190d9? pulled some fancy movies until 3 specific 38s ripped me a new butt
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Most who fly them are not turning. They just come through and move away hastily.
I was a bit surprised anyone considered turning. :)
:lol because the dang thing can't turn.
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First off the correct number to convert pounds to kilos is 2.20462262185; anything rounded up or down and your completely screwing the poo-baas pooch.
Secondly cya...don't know who you were but don't be surprised by Gaijin or anyone else's antics when you get there either.
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HTC can't please everyone, but they are not stupid. They know there is competition.
Who knows what these other games will bring to the table, but I still think HTC should create an interactive career mission based RPG/combat sim game ala Combat Tour, before someone else does.
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*takes off white silk glove* *slaps bruv*
I think not good sir!
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good fights last night. Humbbling as always. Makes me want to quit. :salute
But I won't :D
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I lost interest in AHs tanking game for the simple fact the 1 shot deaths didnt happen like they do in AH.
Really? I've had numerous discussions with tank drivers (past and present), gunners and a couple tank commanders (one of them served directly under Patton). They all disagree with you...
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Its not what you want them to play but what they want to play.
Sorry if you misunderstood that. :salute
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I appreciate the positive responses. And no Bruv, you can't have Tallboy(I seriously doubt he'd ever go to the Few, blame Yarbles, yourself, whoever you want - because he really is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet and it's your loss. Maybe all that disrespect will come around again to bite you)
I was not expecting this kind of response, my leaving somehow prompted an old argument about the unhistorical flight models. Like it or not, I don't care if you believe me, go read the history books, look at the speed charts, the climb charts - do it yourself, don't take my word for it. The 190 is WRONG in Ah2. A 190>P47 everywhere but on the deck. Don't believe me? Do some research about what the P47 pilots said.
I'm not a 'luftwhiner', because I don't exclusively fly German planes, I never was and never have been. Nor do I exclusively fly any kind of airplane, I like them all, I've flown them all, just about - outside the really easy birds and the P38. Pervert, you're a nitwit for not looking into this, knowing that you're a 190D driver, wtf? That's all I've ever seen you fly and you have the nerve to call others 'luftwhiners'. Hahahaha.
To be honest though, I don't care about what the community thinks about this, it doesn't matter to me and hasn't for about a year. But don't get me wrong, I harbor no hard feelings toward any of you.
I think one day we will all see one another in the virtual skies again. Until then try to get along and take care.
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A 190>P47 everywhere but on the deck.
The radial engined 190 was no where near the monster the P47 was at altitude.
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The radial engined 190 was no where near the monster the P47 was at altitude.
Yep so says the history books and every book I ever read on the P47 and Fw190.
Interestingly enough - The most books I have on any aircraft or vehicle is the P-47, I have countless books in the range of 12-15 of tech manuals etc - I always wondered if the acceleration and climb rate was what it is in aces high and enough times it comes up.
Basically above 20k the P-47 was equal to a 190a5 and didn't fair well to a 109, above 25k things change to P47's favor, at 30k where most operated (56 FG) the 47 owned the skies.
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I appreciate the positive responses. And no Bruv, you can't have Tallboy(I seriously doubt he'd ever go to the Few, blame Yarbles, yourself, whoever you want - because he really is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet and it's your loss. Maybe all that disrespect will come around again to bite you)
I was not expecting this kind of response, my leaving somehow prompted an old argument about the unhistorical flight models. Like it or not, I don't care if you believe me, go read the history books, look at the speed charts, the climb charts - do it yourself, don't take my word for it. The 190 is WRONG in Ah2. A 190>P47 everywhere but on the deck. Don't believe me? Do some research about what the P47 pilots said.
I'm not a 'luftwhiner', because I don't exclusively fly German planes, I never was and never have been. Nor do I exclusively fly any kind of airplane, I like them all, I've flown them all, just about - outside the really easy birds and the P38. Pervert, you're a nitwit for not looking into this, knowing that you're a 190D driver, wtf? That's all I've ever seen you fly and you have the nerve to call others 'luftwhiners'. Hahahaha.
To be honest though, I don't care about what the community thinks about this, it doesn't matter to me and hasn't for about a year. But don't get me wrong, I harbor no hard feelings toward any of you.
I think one day we will all see one another in the virtual skies again. Until then try to get along and take care.
I'm sure the 190s are based on historic factors. Folks who think otherwise can gather information to back their arguement. The current information used for the 190 has information backing it. They did not just pull it out of their arse. :)
Awhile back the P-38G was considered a bit lite and information backing that surfaced from some of the community. HiTech made the changes based on new information. They will not just up and change because someone decided it doesn't fit as it is.
Since your already leaving.. I'll take a guess that your assuming the other game company will make the changes for you untill the fit is right. Wonder what the rest of the folks who fly that plane will want changed on it. Maybe they'll end up with some X-Wing or something.
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I'm sure the 190s are based on historic factors. Folks who think otherwise can gather information to back their arguement. The current information used for the 190 has information backing it. They did not just pull it out of their arse. :)
Awhile back the P-38G was considered a bit lite and information backing that surfaced from some of the community. HiTech made the changes based on new information. They will not just up and change because someone decided it doesn't fit as it is.
Since your already leaving.. I'll take a guess that your assuming the other game company will make the changes for you untill the fit is right. Wonder what the rest of the folks who fly that plane will want changed on it. Maybe they'll end up with some X-Wing or something.
You sir are incorrect, I have the documents you are talking about and its a Tie Fighter.
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You sir are incorrect, I have the documents you are talking about and its a Tie Fighter.
I stand corrected :neener:
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I have deja vu :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh
In 2007 many people left Warbirds. I changed the game for AH2.
After a five years, I lost my fun here (yes I know again). I think the game needs major changes. more action for players who have a hour or two at a game during the day. Not everyone has as much time..
when I've seen. Old friends have left this game
I am very sad
:salute
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'Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.' - Winston Churchill
Take care gents, fun times.
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You never even came over for a beer..
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Reading quite a bit on JUgs myself. I have read that the mechanics tuned the 47's engines to put out 65 MP when it had too. Which isn't modeled in the game, but understandably so would be a HUGE difference if possible. AH can only model to certain specs. I can't believe they are to far off, which is good enough for me.
** although I would love 65 MP on the Jug** :banana:
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Don't believe me? Do some research about what the P47 pilots said.
:rofl :rolleyes:
I'm not a 'luftwhiner', because I don't exclusively fly German planes, I never was and never have been. Nor do I exclusively fly any kind of airplane, I like them all, I've flown them all, just about - outside the really easy birds and the P38. Pervert, you're a nitwit for not looking into this, knowing that you're a 190D driver, wtf? That's all I've ever seen you fly and you have the nerve to call others 'luftwhiners'. Hahahaha.
And? the clue is in the name 'luft' 'whinner' You don't see me starting conspiracy threads about why the 190d should turn tighter, I do just fine with whats there against anybody in anything, don't turn this into an us vs them thing because I fly a 190 exclusively, that situation only exists in your melon. I like the flight modeling in general in Aces High.
p.s I have looked into what you type and I see nothing but a youtube video, and a load of clobblers :rofl
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I appreciate the positive responses. And no Bruv, you can't have Tallboy(I seriously doubt he'd ever go to the Few, blame Yarbles, yourself, whoever you want - because he really is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet and it's your loss. Maybe all that disrespect will come around again to bite you)
I was not expecting this kind of response, my leaving somehow prompted an old argument about the unhistorical flight models. Like it or not, I don't care if you believe me, go read the history books, look at the speed charts, the climb charts - do it yourself, don't take my word for it. The 190 is WRONG in Ah2. A 190>P47 everywhere but on the deck. Don't believe me? Do some research about what the P47 pilots said.
I'm not a 'luftwhiner', because I don't exclusively fly German planes, I never was and never have been. Nor do I exclusively fly any kind of airplane, I like them all, I've flown them all, just about - outside the really easy birds and the P38. Pervert, you're a nitwit for not looking into this, knowing that you're a 190D driver, wtf? That's all I've ever seen you fly and you have the nerve to call others 'luftwhiners'. Hahahaha.
To be honest though, I don't care about what the community thinks about this, it doesn't matter to me and hasn't for about a year. But don't get me wrong, I harbor no hard feelings toward any of you.
I think one day we will all see one another in the virtual skies again. Until then try to get along and take care.
Luftwiner is a state of mind does not matter what you fly.
I don't see a problem with how the 152 is modeled or the D9.
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Take it easy 4brkfast!
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Look at the Army of Muppets, the 2nd best squad in AH (on my scale), has more FPHs :angel: than any other squad, and how well they do in German aeroplanes. :aok
:old: A muppet in a German aeroplane is quite the fight, quite the fight indeed.
:headscratch: why did I see LDs in Ponies so often? :huh
haha as usual Midway hits the nail on the head
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:salute 4Brkfast
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I hate to see you go sir, you were a great squaddie when I flew the with the Deuce and after. Good luck :salute
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he'd ever go to the Few, blame Yarbles,
i broke out tears of laughter. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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we all met Tallboy (aka diamond geezer) at Duxford, certainly didn't seem that he hated The Few :angel:
could be another 4brkfast conspiracy theory like fake moon landings and aliens taking away Elvis :noid
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:huh :huh You are an honorary "Cereal Killer" :salute :salute :salute :salute :salute
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Sounds like Kazan Coombzy one minute they hate you the next they love ya. :lol
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I hate you DrBone
I love you
When the doctor told me I was schizophrenic I didn't know whether to laugh or cry
:lol :cry
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Truth is the A8 in AH2 reincarnation would never be accepted by lufwaffe IRL with its current flight model.
Baumer pointed out faulty weight- with documents , it does also have the lower power setting of all A8,s, they where cleared for higher ata's, but AH2 have the lowest possible setting there is.
Until I not get out turned by A20s I use this plane to challenge myself in SA, not because its correct.
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I hate to see anyone leave and hopefully you will all be back at some point in the future. I will try this new game and give an honest comparative example but we are all friends with minor differences of opinion. :salute
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Truth is the A8 in AH2 reincarnation would never be accepted by lufwaffe IRL with its current flight model.
Baumer pointed out faulty weight- with documents , it does also have the lower power setting of all A8,s, they where cleared for higher ata's, but AH2 have the lowest possible setting there is.
Until I not get out turned by A20s I use this plane to challenge myself in SA, not because its correct.
Seems like the community's been finding a lot of Flight model issues....hopefully they will fix them......
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Seems like the community's been finding a lot of Flight model issues....hopefully they will fix them......
the community's job is to provide HTC with hard data, guys like wmaker spring to mind. They have and will change anything that is drastically wrong. If they do not agree with said person then we should thank HT for standing his ground and not having a game akin to secret weapons of the Luftwaffe! or at least agree to disagree without petty arguments.
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I hate to see anyone leave and hopefully you will all be back at some point in the future. I will try this new game and give an honest comparative example but we are all friends with minor differences of opinion. :salute
I 2nd that...... nice post.. Bruv!
and this:
the community's job is to provide HTC with hard data, guys like wmaker spring to mind. They have and will change anything that is drastically wrong. If they do not agree with said person then we should thank HT for standing his ground and not having a game akin to secret weapons of the Luftwaffe! or at least agree to disagree without petty arguments.
well said, Sir!
I never remember HTC not changing something in the FM/flight performance of an AC in game if hard cold factual data was presented & proven to be so..... everything is here on this messageboards if anyone has any doubt
:cheers:
TC
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the community's job is to provide HTC with hard data, guys like wmaker spring to mind. They have and will change anything that is drastically wrong. If they do not agree with said person then we should thank HT for standing his ground and not having a game akin to secret weapons of the Luftwaffe! or at least agree to disagree without petty arguments.
well,
http://www.aviation-history.com/focke-wulf/fw190.html
http://www.aviation-history.com/supermarine/spitfire.html
both are top notch fighter in the real war, both are not usable in AH, but i don't wanna beat a dead horse!
4brkfast is one of those who like to have the right numbers, he fly nearly every plane and love to find out the secrets and the way to fight with.
As CO of Loose Deuce i will add, that 4brkfast is a great friend and he only left AH2, not the Squadron. The skies of good games is very rare, so maybe one might meet him again soon.
4brkfast is one of those LDs from the early hours and a very nice guy! So please lets stay on topic and don't start another personal clubbing here
Thanks and Salute
dhyran
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Sounds like Kazan Coombzy one minute they hate you the next they love ya. :lol
:uhoh :uhoh :uhoh
when and who I hate?
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well,
http://www.aviation-history.com/focke-wulf/fw190.html
http://www.aviation-history.com/supermarine/spitfire.html
both are top notch fighter in the real war, both are not usable in AH, but i don't wanna beat a dead horse!
4brkfast is one of those who like to have the right numbers, he fly nearly every plane and love to find out the secrets and the way to fight with.
As CO of Loose Deuce i will add, that 4brkfast is a great friend and he only left AH2, not the Squadron. The skies of good games is very rare, so maybe one might meet him again soon.
4brkfast is one of those LDs from the early hours and a very nice guy! So please lets stay on topic and don't start another personal clubbing here
Thanks and Salute
dhyran
:huh :uhoh :noid
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:huh :uhoh :noid
midway if your not going to contribute to a thread your bestest FPH commands you not to post smilies alone!
consider your way.
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scoll down and discuss
http://www.aviation-history.com/focke-wulf/fw190.html
http://www.aviation-history.com/supermarine/spitfire.html
both are top notch fighter in the real war, both are not usable in AH
So what? You are giving this information absolute crediabilty because its on a website? It doesn't even say who the author of the article is, which it does in other cases. This site also submits user created content.
"The Aviation History Online Museum is now accepting article submissions. The articles can be about almost anything related to aviation history. If you would like to submit an article for our consideration then Contact Us. We pay $100 for any article accepted. The article must be original material by the author, of approximately 1,200 words, and be accompanied by four pictures, of at least 650 pixels in width. Sources must be cited."
I don't see were they got these figures thats before I even look at them, I don't know who Larry Dwyer (the guy who runs the website) is?? Maybe you should send him an email and ask him who wrote the article on the FW190 A8 and what was the source for his perfomance figures first.
While its a nice article and read, shouldn't you be looking a lot more closely at were the numbers are coming from and who?
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midway if your not going to contribute to a thread your bestest FPH commands you not to post smilies alone!
consider your way.
Yes, sir. :salute :D :rock
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well,
http://www.aviation-history.com/focke-wulf/fw190.html
http://www.aviation-history.com/supermarine/spitfire.html
both are top notch fighter in the real war, both are not usable in AH, but i don't wanna beat a dead horse!
4brkfast is one of those who like to have the right numbers, he fly nearly every plane and love to find out the secrets and the way to fight with.
As CO of Loose Deuce i will add, that 4brkfast is a great friend and he only left AH2, not the Squadron. The skies of good games is very rare, so maybe one might meet him again soon.
4brkfast is one of those LDs from the early hours and a very nice guy! So please lets stay on topic and don't start another personal clubbing here
Thanks and Salute
dhyran
Maybe 4brkfast should have taken a bit of your own advice about personal clubbing before he leapt off to another forum and posted his baseless accusations.
"The maker of the game doesn't seem to like the Axis planes, or is biased - has a grudge, thinks propaganda is fun - your guess is as good as mine"
By the looks of it 4brkfast also believes in reptilian people am I really supposed to take him seriously? Yes hes entitled to his own opinion just don't expect anyone with a rational thought in their head to swallow his tripe as well. Heres a quick preview...
"I've typed all this straight from my mind, I'm sure it's uneven and maybe difficult to read, but I suppose the whole point was to throw it out there and see if I'm the only one who had made a connection between some of these otherwise dissimilar topics. What does G.I. Joe, Conan the Barbarian and the Thundercats all have in common? All of their bad guys were reptilian snake people that could talk, stand upright and disguise themselves as human. All around the world cultures share similarities in myths, evil serpent beings and ancient visitors. Hell, you can find a TV show called Ancient Aliens that will tell you about most of what I'm talking about."
http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-721.html?s=c02122149d726a25ddfd8681f253f250 (http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-721.html?s=c02122149d726a25ddfd8681f253f250)
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Thanks you gents for you arrogance!
consider your way
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Breakfast, I'll miss ya, man and hope you find what you're lookin' for. <S>
Best regards, Odd
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well,
http://www.aviation-history.com/focke-wulf/fw190.html
http://www.aviation-history.com/supermarine/spitfire.html
both are top notch fighter in the real war, both are not usable in AH, but i don't wanna beat a dead horse!
4brkfast is one of those who like to have the right numbers, he fly nearly every plane and love to find out the secrets and the way to fight with.
As CO of Loose Deuce i will add, that 4brkfast is a great friend and he only left AH2, not the Squadron. The skies of good games is very rare, so maybe one might meet him again soon.
4brkfast is one of those LDs from the early hours and a very nice guy! So please lets stay on topic and don't start another personal clubbing here
Thanks and Salute
dhyran
Both come up against planes they did not see much of if any in the war also. As stated.... hard facts not just opinions.
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SO what is this new game?
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:uhoh :uhoh :uhoh
when and who I hate?
I was only pointing out how you disliked me in LD but now enjoy fighting me in TheFew.
Just saying. :angel:
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Problem is not within the 190D series , but primary the A-series , Baumer posted in this forum aircraft/vehicles about the A8 was more than 200 kg too heavy, and therefore can't do any 1vs1 worth mentioning for more than a short duration , also the 1.65ata that where standard after few months of A8 introduction, gives another bird below 6k feet.
:rofl :rolleyes:
And? the clue is in the name 'luft' 'whinner' You don't see me starting conspiracy threads about why the 190d should turn tighter, I do just fine with whats there against anybody in anything, don't turn this into an us vs them thing because I fly a 190 exclusively, that situation only exists in your melon. I like the flight modeling in general in Aces High.
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I can honestly say dedicated A8 pilots are more than capable of handling themself in 1v1s if flown correctly.
Also depending on the skill level of said opponent.
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COUGH**** Rule#2.....
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the community's job is to provide HTC with hard data, guys like wmaker spring to mind. They have and will change anything that is drastically wrong. If they do not agree with said person then we should thank HT for standing his ground and not having a game akin to secret weapons of the Luftwaffe! or at least agree to disagree without petty arguments.
Wasn't trying to bash HTC for the record
:bolt:
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Maybe 4brkfast should have taken a bit of your own advice about personal clubbing before he leapt off to another forum and posted his baseless accusations.
"The maker of the game doesn't seem to like the Axis planes, or is biased - has a grudge, thinks propaganda is fun - your guess is as good as mine"
By the looks of it 4brkfast also believes in reptilian people am I really supposed to take him seriously? Yes hes entitled to his own opinion just don't expect anyone with a rational thought in their head to swallow his tripe as well. Heres a quick preview...
"I've typed all this straight from my mind, I'm sure it's uneven and maybe difficult to read, but I suppose the whole point was to throw it out there and see if I'm the only one who had made a connection between some of these otherwise dissimilar topics. What does G.I. Joe, Conan the Barbarian and the Thundercats all have in common? All of their bad guys were reptilian snake people that could talk, stand upright and disguise themselves as human. All around the world cultures share similarities in myths, evil serpent beings and ancient visitors. Hell, you can find a TV show called Ancient Aliens that will tell you about most of what I'm talking about."
http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-721.html?s=c02122149d726a25ddfd8681f253f250 (http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-721.html?s=c02122149d726a25ddfd8681f253f250)
bahahahahaha :D
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Maybe 4brkfast should have taken a bit of your own advice about personal clubbing before he leapt off to another forum and posted his baseless accusations.
"The maker of the game doesn't seem to like the Axis planes, or is biased - has a grudge, thinks propaganda is fun - your guess is as good as mine"
By the looks of it 4brkfast also believes in reptilian people am I really supposed to take him seriously? Yes hes entitled to his own opinion just don't expect anyone with a rational thought in their head to swallow his tripe as well. Heres a quick preview...
"I've typed all this straight from my mind, I'm sure it's uneven and maybe difficult to read, but I suppose the whole point was to throw it out there and see if I'm the only one who had made a connection between some of these otherwise dissimilar topics. What does G.I. Joe, Conan the Barbarian and the Thundercats all have in common? All of their bad guys were reptilian snake people that could talk, stand upright and disguise themselves as human. All around the world cultures share similarities in myths, evil serpent beings and ancient visitors. Hell, you can find a TV show called Ancient Aliens that will tell you about most of what I'm talking about."
http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-721.html?s=c02122149d726a25ddfd8681f253f250 (http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-721.html?s=c02122149d726a25ddfd8681f253f250)
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/155/594/yesitis2.gif?1311943181)
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Been good to know ya brkfast. cya when you realize that, like the rest of us, you are doomed to be back one day...
:cheers: and :cheers: my friend
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Thanks you gents for you arrogance!
dhyran, you have been around long enough to know that the AH BBS is a digital 'thunderdome' generally void of substance. One shouldn't expect anything but arrogance & posturing. Think of it as foreplay for the MA.
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generally void of substance
are you sure you're not confused and actually talking about dhyran's posts and links in this thread? :)
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are you sure you're not confused and actually talking about dhyran's posts in this thread? :)
Ardy has Irish DNA like me hes screwed anyway :old: :)
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dhyran, you have been around long enough to know that the AH BBS is a digital 'thunderdome' generally void of substance. One shouldn't expect anything but arrogance & posturing. Think of it as foreplay for the MA.
Yes, sadly you nailed it, guess i expect too much
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Yes, sadly you nailed it, guess i expect too much, but it make people leave. maybe I leave too
so we won't be able to play the Loose Deuce drinking game anymore? :(
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The grass isn't always greener, although it may have better graphics. I'll stick to the place where I feel the FM is more accurate and the eye candy isn't the only draw. The smoothing code that HTC uses alone makes this game much better than other sims, where you 'fly on rails' to prevent strange flight patterns.
I just had an epiphany; Aces High is like marriage. Sure, other younger games may look a bit prettier, but they aren't stable either in modeling or in duration.
+1 :aok
Nutz
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"Farewell and adieu" 4Breakfast. It was good flying with ya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34v1hyfHXdQ
'Til we meet in the virtual skies again!
<S>
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I appreciate the positive responses. And no Bruv, you can't have Tallboy(I seriously doubt he'd ever go to the Few, blame Yarbles, yourself, whoever you want - because he really is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet and it's your loss. Maybe all that disrespect will come around again to bite you)
I was not expecting this kind of response, my leaving somehow prompted an old argument about the unhistorical flight models. Like it or not, I don't care if you believe me, go read the history books, look at the speed charts, the climb charts - do it yourself, don't take my word for it. The 190 is WRONG in Ah2. A 190>P47 everywhere but on the deck. Don't believe me? Do some research about what the P47 pilots said.
I'm not a 'luftwhiner', because I don't exclusively fly German planes, I never was and never have been. Nor do I exclusively fly any kind of airplane, I like them all, I've flown them all, just about - outside the really easy birds and the P38. Pervert, you're a nitwit for not looking into this, knowing that you're a 190D driver, wtf? That's all I've ever seen you fly and you have the nerve to call others 'luftwhiners'. Hahahaha.
To be honest though, I don't care about what the community thinks about this, it doesn't matter to me and hasn't for about a year. But don't get me wrong, I harbor no hard feelings toward any of you.
I think one day we will all see one another in the virtual skies again. Until then try to get along and take care.
Heh .........you have forgoten, this is Hotel California my friend.
:salute
HL
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So are the A8s and 190s right or wrong?
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So are the A8s and 190s right or wrong?
I belive the A8 is wrong, but that is my personal opinion.
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See you, 4brkfast.
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200910_redStormKruppSteel/pics/frame2/019-4brkfastHits1-Image-0040.jpg)
You really should keep playing in scenarios, though. ;)
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See you, 4brkfast.
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200910_redStormKruppSteel/pics/frame2/019-4brkfastHits1-Image-0040.jpg)
You really should keep playing in scenarios, though. ;)
Hintity hint hint
Next scenario should be eastern front :noid
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<S>4Brkfast,
Hope to see you back someday.
:salute
BigRat
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Hintity hint hint
Next scenario should be eastern front :noid
I like Eastern Front. One of these times, I want to fly P-39's in a mid(ish) war Eastern Front battle. Several of the recent scenarios have had LW planes in them, though, so I would like to see something else next just for variety.
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To you Spanish ladies.
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See you, 4brkfast.
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200910_redStormKruppSteel/pics/frame2/019-4brkfastHits1-Image-0040.jpg)
You really should keep playing in scenarios, though. ;)
Ah that was a good scenario :aok
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t.t.f.n. :banana: