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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: AHTbolt on April 14, 2012, 06:11:08 PM
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Fired after 70 years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjLpqWFFEo&feature=related
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NEIN NEIN NEIN!!! It sounds like a Messerschmidt!
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Wow! That is impressive! :aok
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Manage to times that by 8, and I think it'll be in a sound pack :D
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& amplify it...? :headscratch:
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'merica! :aok
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'merkins? :headscratch:
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Remote firing, wearing body armor and hiding in the trench is just............gay.
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Remote firing, wearing body armor and hiding in the trench is just............gay.
I thought that then I forgot that it was a Spitfire's machine gun and it may be so obscenely over-modelled that it could have done a 180* degree turn with no loss of Energy and killed every one of those 3 guys surrounding it.
I'd be in the trench with them :rock Thanks for posting Tbolt. :aok
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Remote firing, wearing body armor and hiding in the trench is just............gay.
Seems really over-dramatic. It isn't like they didn't take the whole thing apart clean it and what not. Everyone there knew it would work.
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'merica! :aok
This weapon was manufactured in England by the Birmingham Small Arms (BSA) factory under licence from Browning but modified to fire from an open bolt. (http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/UnionJackHolder.gif)
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Remote firing, wearing body armor and hiding in the trench is just............gay.
Seems like it's a brit show. You have to remember, they are terrified of guns there. Thanks goodness no one as them there, just like D.C. they are mostly illegal :rofl
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I'm so glad I have lots of US squaddies who prove that you're not all complete handsomehunkes :aok
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Seems like it's a brit show. You have to remember, they are terrified of guns there. Thanks goodness no one as them there, just like D.C. they are mostly illegal :rofl
Could some of you cowboys try to make an effort and at least not be so proud of your ignorance. They are not terrified of guns in Britain, they just have a different place in the culture and history.
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Health & Safety...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ekpD06P7kiI#t=78s
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This weapon was manufactured in England by the Birmingham Small Arms (BSA) factory under licence from Browning but modified to fire from an open bolt. (http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/UnionJackHolder.gif)
It is my understanding that when the original Browning 1919 .30 cal was converted from a water-cooled to air-cooled weapon, the design was also permanently changed to fire from an open bolt. This was due to the fact that a weapon could "cook off" rounds in a closed bolt environment due to heat buildup.
Major modifications that the Brits did to both the Vickers and BSA manufactured weapons include chrome lining the muzzle extension to prevent fouling from heavy use, and adding cooling fins.
They are not terrified of guns in Britain, they just have a different place in the culture and history.
Edited to not start an argument...
It boils down to personal choice. Something cowboys take very seriously.
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as do we. :rolleyes:
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I like firearms as much as the next cowboy, I was not objecting to them nor to the merits or drawbacks of the widespread existence of firearms in a particular culture. What I can do without is the ignorant and condescending smugness towards cultures that have collectively decided not to retain the widespread distribution of firearms.
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as do we. :rolleyes:
Yes, yes, we know.
This is why so many Euros salivate profusely at the sight of some ignorant Cowboy's arsenal. Because they collectively decided that they shouldn't be allowed.
Talk about condescending. This topic is going way off the reservation.
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Yes, yes, we know.
you may understand but apparently many of your countrymen do not.
they think firearms are banned in the UK. wrong.
most of my friends have shot a range of guns during their lives. I have legally shot .22 and .303 rifles alot, shotguns a few times and a bren gun once (that was fun.) and I live in a city. some of my UK squaddies own firearms, if I lived in the country I would too.
what do the cowboys think we hunt deer, rabbits and birds with? harsh language?
we do have restrictions on the classes of firearms that you can own, as I understand you do too. they are just different.
btw anyone who isnt scared of firearms is an idiot.
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You're mad aren't you Bill, you want bust some caps in my arse don't you?
:banana:
This wasn't directed at you bud. Yes actually I would like to own a gun collection, just as a hobby, but on the other hand I'm glad I don't need to think about needing a firearm for self defense.
Swings and roundabouts.
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Could some of you cowboys try to make an effort and at least not be so proud of your ignorance. They are not terrified of guns in Britain, they just have a different place in the culture and history.
Im a Cowboy with a 30mm, and my horse climbs at 4500 fpm :old:
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I'm glad I don't need to think about needing a firearm for self defense.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/237616/baseball_bat_sales_rise_on_amazon_uk.html
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You don't need one of those either. Try to be more original than implying hypocrisy.
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The advantage of having a national service, is that you fire many types of weapons , and realize you dont need them at home.
My 90mm canno , with attached tank does not fit in my garage..
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In many american large cities you will hear gunfire at night. Usualy the denizins pulling the trigger are in a well known part of the city and common sense is most of what's needed to never meet said desnizins. Many of those cities don't care if you have a large gun collection if you keep it to yourself, the range, hunting, and pay your proper federal taxes and federal registration for fully automatic firearms and silencers. They start caring when you discharge one of your collection inside of their jurisdiction without a really good reason.
Here in oakland ca where I live near the center of the city off of Lake Merrit park. You hear gunfire all year round. Primarily the denizins altercating over criminal activities and their presumed perogitives to territory, bad deals or they insulted each others woo woos. In my middel class area of oakland the only reason they stray in here is for BnE, larceny, smash n grab and pan handeling.
California law says nothing about my firearms collection as long as I store it safely and shoot at ranges, hunting, or after dark inside of my home at an intruder. Fortunately the denizins prefer shooting at each other a few miles away at night having no interest in me or my family.
Our countries are different and we should leave it at that. If we all lived in the middel of africa in lion country and had to walk everywhere, we would go armed or be on the menu with all the other prey in the area. You would accept the need to be armed the same as a carpenter needs his tools to survive. In america we have a vastly larger population over a larger land mass with more opportunities becasue of that for the proverbial stuff to hit the fan. And in most regions our laws and history support us as individuals protecting our lives with firearms or deadly force.
We are different cultures with different legal traditions making these kinds of arguments emberrasing for both parties. I doubt Parliment is going to pass legislation disarming america becasue our guns are 3001 miles too close to Breat Britian. Just as our 2nd Amendmant was recently upheld in the supreme court via the Heller decision.
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...Our countries are different and we should leave it at that...
Well said bustr :salute
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You're mad aren't you Bill, you want bust some caps in my arse don't you?
Be careful nrshida, I may have to call you out to Main street for a gunfight at high-noon.
Of course, you would be unarmed and would show up five hours early. :neener:
btw anyone who isnt scared of firearms is an idiot.
This statement is very telling of your (and I'm afraid many European's) understanding of firearms.
You see, I fear no firearm. Why? Because there isn't a gun in the world that will jump up off the table and attack me of its own volition. What one needs to be leery of is a gun with an idiot or someone meaning harm behind it.
You Euros claim to be so open-minded and lovers of freedom, why don't you just come out and embrace the John Wayne within.
Grab a gun and blow something to pieces. If only for the fun of it.
:D
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Stop it! Just stop it!
Melvin, go shoot some cans or something. Holmes, go hit a pillow.
:cheers:
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btw anyone who isnt scared of firearms is an idiot.
I'm not scared of firearms. They're just tools. I am however rather scared of idiots holding firearms.
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Ever seen Hot Fuzz?
DS Andy Wainwright: You do know there are more guns in the country than there are in the city.
DS Andy Cartwright: Everyone and their mums is packin' round here!
Nicholas Angel: Like who?
DS Andy Wainwright: Farmers.
Nicholas Angel: Who else?
DS Andy Cartwright: Farmers' mums
:D
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This statement is very telling of your (and I'm afraid many European's) understanding of firearms. etc
it should have been blindingly obvious that I wasnt talking about a firearm on its own, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were being deliberately obtuse.
Its been 25yrs+ since I did it last but I'm pretty sure I could still strip, clean and reassemble a lee enfield, and then hit a target at 300yd. I have a fairly good understanding of firearms.
I'd also wager that half the euros on this forum have shot a gun at some point in their lives, many of them regularly.
the point is we both have gun control, and we've both as societies decided on the nature of our gun control. why does it bother you so much what we've decided we want? :headscratch:
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Dang how about that Spitfire gun pretty neat. :bolt:
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Be careful nrshida, I may have to call you out to Main street for a gunfight at high-noon.
Of course, you would be unarmed and would show up five hours early. :neener:
I know Kirk Fu. :banana:
You see, I fear no firearm. Why? Because there isn't a gun in the world that will jump up off the table and attack me of its own volition. What one needs to be leery of is a gun with an idiot or someone meaning harm behind it.
You're forgetting the Nambu Type 94 :old:
You Euros claim to be so open-minded and lovers of freedom, why don't you just come out and embrace the John Wayne within.
Grab a gun and blow something to pieces. If only for the fun of it.
:D
Once I got an air rifle and fitted a new spring and seal kit to it. I didn't really know what I was doing and I reasoned: it's a pneumatic system, so I used vacuum grease all over the place in the rebuild. My first target was a coke can, suspended from a tree on a piece of string. When I fired there was a huge bang and the coke can had wrapped itself around the branch. I was really confused because when I broke the barrel open I couldn't see light, so I thought I'd broken something and the pellet had become stuck in the barrel, but then the can was still swinging. :headscratch: Eventually I blew down the barrel and a load of blueish smoke came out. The grease had ignited with the compression and sent the pellet out a bit quick.
Later I found a small blob of grease in the back of each pellet did the same. I told Hlbly about this and he did extensive research, later telling me that certain types of grease gave a tracer effect :lol
I'm not scared of firearms. They're just tools. I am however rather scared of idiots holding firearms.
Guns are the inverse of ABS in cars. Anything which makes an idiot a lot more dangerous is not such a good idea.
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nrshida,
If you think about it neither guns nor ideots are the problem.
It's when one group of humans decides to use the guns to force the ideots(other group of humans) to give up their equal god given rights becasue they have suddenly been dehuminsed by being declaired ideots. This happens in the blink of an eye by those who beleive they are superior by the virtue of being more intelligent , thus responsible enough to label the others ideots or lesser human beings.
Next thing you know you have laws and regulations that make it almost impossible to exist as a free human being if you are declaired one of the ideots by the smart group who has all of the guns. The only place that hasen't happened yet in varying degrees becasue Freedom of Speech and The right to Keep and Bare Arms are the first 2 Laws of the Land is the United States.
I think our current presidential ellection is a referendum on whether most of the american population are ideots after 229 years. And if the 20% who identify themselves as the intelligent ones should Rule america for the next 100 years or so becasue they beleive they are responsible enough to label the rest of the american population ideots.
As I said our two cultures are different and the ability to preserve our lives and freedom by force of arms is a very real and daily action many of us act upon. It is the birth right of all free human beings as declared in the preamble to our american constitution. Our media only lets you see america how they want you to see it based on being members of the self proclaimed intelligent 20 percent. We live in very different worlds the ideots and 20 percenters, and so you and I. I lived in Luton when I was 4 and 5.
Personaly this November I'm voting for the ideots. Since 1783 the ideots haven't done a bad job keeping those who choose to be armed outfitted and all of us free.
This whole American rights versus British rights is rediculous. We are both free to imigrate to each others nation and become citizens if we want. What could be better.......I have to admit I like Rugby when I find it on the world sports channels. Excellent test of rugged endurance and team work. New Zealand and Wales have good teams while america would do better if it was a national identity sport. Too many of our U.S. Pro Athletes are spoiled millionairs and thug lifers. I can watch world class thug life for free here in Oakland california but, then I may need recourse to my 2nd Amendment protected right as the cost of admission to watch if I get too close.
Yo MoFo Who you Lookin at Mufuer........you wanna cap in yo bleep!
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I have a fairly good understanding of firearms.
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I'd say your understanding is rudimentary, at best. Please don't insult our intelligence by pretending to know what you're talking about. You only know what The Crown allows.
I know Kirk Fu. :banana:
:lol Oh, and by the way... ABS sucks too.
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You only know what The Crown allows.
(http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/OP+you+are+the+dumbest+bastard+I+ve+ever+seen+_33f5616b346a04b8a1e9fdfcb0650d55.jpg)
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Melvin, not wanting to get between you two, but there is one factor you need to consider. Most Euro countries have conscription, so most males have the experience of a year or more of military service. Switzerland has the most heavily armed population of any country in the world with an assault rifle in more or less every home, since every able bodied male is enrolled in their militia after finishing military service.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yK5DH8iknQ
They also have gun clubs for kids... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unN-Fp-wuMM
Just sayin.
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If you think about it neither guns nor ideots are the problem...
Well respectfully I think that's a different discussion. You're now talking about the merits of a widespread distribution of firearms throughout a population with the implication of said population being able to overthrow a tyrannical government if necessary, which is a nice idea in theory.
What I simply meant was that a gun doesn't require a lot of skill or intelligence to make you extremely dangerous. Please don't paint me as an arrogant supremacist, I was the third person here to mention the gun-idiot combination. I said nothing about an intelligentsia dictating to the less well equipped and am well aware of the dangers of those who seek power.
If I understand Bustr correctly, your society protects innocent citizens from 'dangerous and irresponsible' people armed with firearms essentially by allowing you to be armed with firearms and Britain does it by removing or restricting the firearms from the population. I know this is an abhorrent concept for you fellows, but imagine a regular police force not needing to carry pistols :banana:
This whole vein of conversation by the way, was sparked by some of your cowboys scoffing at that choice. So :neener: basically.
I'd say your understanding is rudimentary, at best. Please don't insult our intelligence by pretending to know what you're talking about. You only know what The Crown allows.
:banana: Ha ha ha, no I do Bill, honestly, especially about the technical & design issues. 'The Crown' doesn't restrict this kind of information (besides, I no longer live there lolz). John Browning is one of my design heroes, Eugene Stoner also. I've not kept up with assault rifles in the last ten years or so but go ahead, ask me anything.
Yes ABS does suck if you are a 'driver' but conversely I'm glad most cars are fitted with it. Can I get away with saying that without appearing arrogant?
By the way: I myself am just seeing this as an interesting discussion, not an argument to be won. If you really want me to not poke at the most sacred underbelly of your culture then a simple 'Klaatu Barada Nikto' will do it :salute
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Please don't insult our intelligence by pretending to know what you're talking about. You only know what The Crown allows.
we havent done what "The Crown" tells us for almost 500yrs. I really dont need to insult you're intelligence as long as you keep typing ...
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Just stop it...
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Yes. Can't we all just get along? :old:
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Yes. Can't we all just get along? :old:
Only if the crown says we are allowed to. :banana:
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I like Predator, he seems very wise and knowledgeable. Please don't shoot him. :old:
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Hit me with the pillow instead :)
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Yeah, I know... I know.
I woke up late yesterday with a pain in my neck from sleeping poorly and no time for a proper breakfast before work. I fired off a hasty and rather poorly thought out message as I tied my work boots.
I kinda figured the beatings would commence. :lol
Anyway...
This whole vein of conversation by the way, was sparked by some of your cowboys scoffing at that choice.
One guy said "merica" or something because, after all, it was an American design that the subjects outfitted their aircraft with. It was followed by RTHolmes' comment "merkins", which I found hilarious. Then KgB piped in about something being gay.
I really don't think KgB is a cowboy. I imagine in real life he more resembles a monkey savagely fornicating a football.
Please don't mistake the common troll for a Cowboy.
I'd say your understanding is rudimentary, at best.
This was not meant for nrshida, but rather for RTHolmes.
Congratulations, 25 years ago you became familiar with one type of rifle. Yes, I believe you have a rudimentary understanding of firearms.
Most Euro countries have conscription, so most males have the experience of a year or more of military service.
Where they will receive rudimentary firearms training. And once their service is complete they still live with restrictive gun laws.
Switzerland has the most heavily armed population of any country in the world with an assault rifle in more or less every home, since every able bodied male is enrolled in their militia after finishing military service.
Yes, the Swiss are pretty well fortified. I'm not sure what good it will do if the world goes mad again, after all, they'll most likely kick back and hide the gold. It's what they're good at. (Sorry, couldn't resist that jab...)
By the way: I myself am just seeing this as an interesting discussion, not an argument to be won.
The Second Amendment to our Constitution is something that I take very seriously and will defend quite vigorously. Sometimes I see red when people that I consider unable to fully comprehend the situation make snide remarks toward the American lifestyle. Of course I know that I go overboard on occasion... sorry.
Anyway, was my assessment of the British modified 1919 correct?
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One guy said "merica" or something because, after all, it was an American design that the subjects outfitted their aircraft with. It was followed by RTHolmes' comment "merkins", which I found hilarious. Then KgB piped in about something being gay...
Yes you are right. You colonials don't have to thank us for the Merlin engine though, we'd just get embarrassed :neener:
John Browning was a truly inspirational and prolific designer and I am a big fan of his work. His design process was highly unorthodox and before its time.
No it was Scca's comment that set me off. I wanted to bust some caps and the only thing that stopped me was restricted access to firearms :lol
RTHolmes may have shot at Bisley if he's a 303 fan. Have you heard about Bisely?
The Second Amendment to our Constitution is something that I take very seriously and will defend quite vigorously. Sometimes I see red when people that I consider unable to fully comprehend the situation make snide remarks toward the American lifestyle. Of course I know that I go overboard on occasion... sorry.
Yeah I began to gather I was poking around in a sensitive area. I'll Barada Nikto off.
Anyway, was my assessment of the British modified 1919 correct?
Just let me consult my Ladybird book of Firearms Bill, just to be sure :lol