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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Dover on April 17, 2012, 03:27:22 PM
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the guns on bombers are so bad on here
first you get the ammo stuck to the gun they could and would easily pass from one gun to the next if your gun is out you should be able to transfer ammo from another even put a delay in makes sense after all
yeah i get the guns can be damaged but they where all easily changed out why not have a delay to swap a broken gun from one position to another again put in a delay for the time it takes the guys to do the work
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the guns on bombers are so bad on here
first you get the ammo stuck to the gun they could and would easily pass from one gun to the next if your gun is out you should be able to transfer ammo from another even put a delay in makes sense after all
yeah i get the guns can be damaged but they where all easily changed out why not have a delay to swap a broken gun from one position to another again put in a delay for the time it takes the guys to do the work
Good idea, but I don't think there is any code in the game that lets you do inflight repairs.
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The guns on the bombers are so bad on here.
First, you get the ammo stuck to the gun. They could and would easily pass from one gun to the next if your gun is out. You should be able to transfer ammo from another...even put a delay in. It makes sense after all. Yeah, I get the guns can be damaged, but they were all easily changed out. Why not have a delay to swap a broken gun from one position to another? Again, put in a delay for the time it takes the guys to do the work.
Fixed.
Now, it is a reasonable request, however I'd assume that this would take a lot of coding, etc. to be able to swap guns out. I think for the most part it works fine the way it is.
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the guns on bombers are so bad on here
first you get the ammo stuck to the gun they could and would easily pass from one gun to the next if your gun is out you should be able to transfer ammo from another even put a delay in makes sense after all
yeah i get the guns can be damaged but they where all easily changed out why not have a delay to swap a broken gun from one position to another again put in a delay for the time it takes the guys to do the work
On the B-17 and B-24 ammo for the tail, nose, ball and top turrets was loaded into fixed boxes with several belts linked together. While it would be "possible" to transfer ammo it wouldn't be practical and quite likely just wasn't done. As for switching out a gun the ball turret and chin turret could only be done while on the ground. Probably the only practical switch would be from one waist position to another.
I'm thinking that in game damage to a gun isn't just to the gun but is a kill/wound to the gunner.
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the guns on bombers are so bad on here
first you get the ammo stuck to the gun they could and would easily pass from one gun to the next if your gun is out you should be able to transfer ammo from another even put a delay in makes sense after all
yeah i get the guns can be damaged but they where all easily changed out why not have a delay to swap a broken gun from one position to another again put in a delay for the time it takes the guys to do the work
I'm no expert but I imagine it would be nearly impossible to accomplish inflight and was very rarely at best done.
I'm thinking that at altitude in a very small cramped aircraft with bulky flightsuits (that were plugged in for heat) moving guns that were really not designed with swapping in mind would be totally impossible. To even consider moving ammo to a different gun would be a herculean task. And I'm sure no one would want to shut down function of a working gun to move ammo to another position.
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why stop there? why not switch guns between drones??!!!! i can see it now, toss a zip line between bombers and move the guns that way :D :banana:
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Damage can be done to guns or gunners. Or both.
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Whatever fits both the historical and game contexts is fine with me. I can only recommend practicing good tactics, both offensive, defensive, and evasive when needed if you intend on surviving your sortie and landing (with kills) successfully. Patience & planning is key.
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the guns on bombers are so bad on here
first you get the ammo stuck to the gun they could and would easily pass from one gun to the next if your gun is out you should be able to transfer ammo from another even put a delay in makes sense after all
yeah i get the guns can be damaged but they where all easily changed out why not have a delay to swap a broken gun from one position to another again put in a delay for the time it takes the guys to do the work
do you even know how the ammo was loaded in the bombers? look it up in youtube then guns were mostly reloaded from the outside, just like in the fighters.
semp
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"By now, because of the loss of so many ships (B-17s) that were behind us, we found ourselves to be in the unenviable position of "tail end Charlie"! The battle was now approaching two hours, which for an air battle was rare. Our tail gunner had run out of ammunition and came up to where I was (top turret) to get some of what I had left."
Sam Hewitt 15th Air Force
"There we were, two groups, one a B-17 group and one a B-24. When the fighters showed up the B-24 leader slid our formation in under the B-17 group, for more protection as well as for more defense against the fighters. So where did they attack? Yes right in my corner, low left and last. You can see why they called it Purple Heart Corner. My tail gunner, George Federlin shot up all of his ammo and the waist gunner took more ammo to him."
George R. Insley - ETO 1943 to 1945 - 44th Bomb Group, 2nd Air Division, 8th Air Force, based in Shipdon, England. 48 combat missions
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"By now, because of the loss of so many ships (B-17s) that were behind us, we found ourselves to be in the unenviable position of "tail end Charlie"! The battle was now approaching two hours, which for an air battle was rare. Our tail gunner had run out of ammunition and came up to where I was (top turret) to get some of what I had left."
Sam Hewitt 15th Air Force
"There we were, two groups, one a B-17 group and one a B-24. When the fighters showed up the B-24 leader slid our formation in under the B-17 group, for more protection as well as for more defense against the fighters. So where did they attack? Yes right in my corner, low left and last. You can see why they called it Purple Heart Corner. My tail gunner, George Federlin shot up all of his ammo and the waist gunner took more ammo to him."
George R. Insley - ETO 1943 to 1945 - 44th Bomb Group, 2nd Air Division, 8th Air Force, based in Shipdon, England. 48 combat missions
thanks old sport
sorry hadn't logged on here in a few days
external loading ammo not in the ww2 bomber in modern day yes is smaller bomber yes but not the 4 engine ones im talking about
the canisters on the airplane for the box feed ones where all in one area and often when one ran low the center gunners would transfer from box to box for them
all im asking is for the ammo to be able to be switched so when your on long flights you get one guy who attacks you and then there may be a long delay till the next does your gunners should be allowed to either shift position if the one guy died or shift ammo if they ran out
hot swapping guns was a less common task but was documented as well (whatever it takes to survive was the idea)
i'm just asking to be allowed to do what anyone in real life would do if you where on that plane
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wouldn't be a fan of moving ammunition around, buffs have it easy enough with 2 drones and all guns firing at once, either conserve your ammo better or learn to deal with it.
Buff gunning isn't exactly the hardest thing to learn, with proper conserving of ammo you can easily get 4-5 kills without a problem from one station alone (i.e rear or front).
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I'm trying to picture trying to move an 84lb 50 caliber through the tight confines of a bomber fuselage. Sounds tough even before you
consider wearing the heavy clothing, flak jacket and oxygen mask. Add in the different mounts and the ammo and I imagine the fight
might be over by the time you'd finish.
Of course the 7.92mm would be easier, but still not easy. I've been learning about WW2 aviation for at least 4 decades and I cannot
remember coming across an account of this being attempted in flight. It's very possible I have missed something, but it surely didn't
seem to be common.
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Whatever fits both the historical and game contexts is fine with me. I can only recommend practicing good tactics, both offensive, defensive, and evasive when needed if you intend on surviving your sortie and landing (with kills) successfully. Patience & planning is key.
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This !
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do you even know how the ammo was loaded in the bombers? look it up in youtube then guns were mostly reloaded from the outside, just like in the fighters.
semp
Which bombers had ammo loaded from the outside? Dang sure wasn't the B-17 or B-24. ALL of the ammo for those aircraft are stored inside the fuselage and in fact it would be impossible to load from "outside" the aircraft.
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I'm trying to picture trying to move an 84lb 50 caliber through the tight confines of a bomber fuselage. Sounds tough even before you
consider wearing the heavy clothing, flak jacket and oxygen mask. Add in the different mounts and the ammo and I imagine the fight
might be over by the time you'd finish.
Of course the 7.92mm would be easier, but still not easy. I've been learning about WW2 aviation for at least 4 decades and I cannot
remember coming across an account of this being attempted in flight. It's very possible I have missed something, but it surely didn't
seem to be common.
im not sure about you man but if i was in one and my tail gun got busted up i would do anything to get it working again or if the tail gunner got shot move him and take over the gun myself
this is basic survival i'm for sure the guys in the other spots would not just sit there where they where and be like o crap guess we are dead
not to mension ive been on several flights in game where on guy attacks me and i may not see another for 10 min or more sometimes its a hour later till i have another attacker on longer runs all im asking is if that gun goes down theres a option that may take however long they decide it should to swap guns or ammo to keep the more vital weapon positions working
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Learning to shoot accurately with the stable gun platform armed with six gun positions in a three ship formation that has all of the eighteen weapons slaved together giving the opportunity to put ordinance down-range resulting in a minimum of six guns being trained on , and firing at the target at any given time in a Death Star-esque fashion is much easier than spending time writing code for this request when there are many more important things to fix or add to the game.
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Learning to shoot accurately with the stable gun platform armed with six gun positions in a three ship formation that has all of the eighteen weapons slaved together giving the opportunity to put ordinance down-range resulting in a minimum of six guns being trained on , and firing at the target at any given time in a Death Star-esque fashion is much easier than spending time writing code for this request when there are many more important things to fix or add to the game.
hard to code lol
if they did this as a object which i would imagine they do you can simply set a protected variant allowing when whatever command transfer ammo comes move from X gun to Y gun Z amount of ammo
it would be like maybe 20 lines of code
even a EE can do that
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hard to code lol
if they did this as a object which i would imagine they do you can simply set a protected variant allowing when whatever command transfer ammo comes move from X gun to Y gun Z amount of ammo
it would be like maybe 20 lines of code
even a EE can do that
I never claimed that it was hard to code.
I said that learning to shoot and kill the target is easier and consumes less time than coding anything at all.
Take a ride with, or fly next to 999000 or ThunderEgg some time and you will learn all you ever need to know.
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I never claimed that it was hard to code.
I said that learning to shoot and kill the target is easier and consumes less time than coding anything at all.
Take a ride with, or fly next to 999000 or ThunderEgg some time and you will learn all you ever need to know.
I/m just fine at shooting guys down
don't get me wrong i give props to those guys
but when your one set of bombers and you have say 4 163s or a cloud of other fighters behind you even those guys are going to run out of ammo
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but when your one set of bombers and you have say 4 163s or a cloud of other fighters behind you even those guys are going to run out of ammo
With that in mind, if I were to choose to go it alone to such dangerous territory as HQ next to a 163 base, my first action would be to get all the altitude I could get, not that it would really help against such a fast rocket plane, but it's something. Secondly, if it is possible to skirt radar rings, do it. Foolhearty to begin with, but I would go high, fast, and evasive whenever possible.
But, realistically, whenever I go for an HQ run, it's always in the form of a mission of many flights. Better chances, better gunnery protection.
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With that in mind, if I were to choose to go it alone to such dangerous territory as HQ next to a 163 base, my first action would be to get all the altitude I could get, not that it would really help against such a fast rocket plane, but it's something. Secondly, if it is possible to skirt radar rings, do it. Foolhearty to begin with, but I would go high, fast, and evasive whenever possible.
But, realistically, whenever I go for an HQ run, it's always in the form of a mission of many flights. Better chances, better gunnery protection.
Also, keep a tight formation so the fields of fire overlap. Even the best bomber-killer squads (in the off-chance that you come up against one, as it will be more likely s piecemeal attack as the calls go out on country channel) will be hard-pressed to not get torn up by the buff guns.
In addition, like ThunderEgg said. GET ALT for strat/HQ runs. 30k is a good place to be since there are only four planes that I can think of that can handle well at those alts.
TA-152
P47-M
Spitfire Mk. XIV
ME-163 (being the only one that can get to that alt in anything resembling a hurry)
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Which bombers had ammo loaded from the outside? Dang sure wasn't the B-17 or B-24. ALL of the ammo for those aircraft are stored inside the fuselage and in fact it would be impossible to load from "outside" the aircraft.
there's a pic that more or less tells you how. please remember that the ball turret had a very small opening for where the gunner would get in and it sure as hell wasnt enough to bring the ammo to load both guns.
http://ships.bouwman.com/B17/Chin.html#Loading
there's a film on youtube that shows exactly how they loaded the different turrets. specially the tail and the ball turret. they would remove several parts move the ammo containers then put everything back together. I dont feel like looking for the youtube video again. but if it was on another Move the ammo wish on this forum about 4 or 5 months back.
semp
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there's a pic that more or less tells you how. please remember that the ball turret had a very small opening for where the gunner would get in and it sure as hell wasnt enough to bring the ammo to load both guns.
I've been in a ball turret while in flight. I know exactly what they are like. The ammo for the ball is not stored in the turret, it is stored inside the fuselage. Same as ALL the guns on the B-17 and B-24. ALL ammo is inside the fuselage. It is NOT possible to load it from the outside.
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I've been in a ball turret while in flight. I know exactly what they are like. The ammo for the ball is not stored in the turret, it is stored inside the fuselage. Same as ALL the guns on the B-17 and B-24. ALL ammo is inside the fuselage. It is NOT possible to load it from the outside.
of course it's all stored in the inside. my comment was in a reference to transferring ammo from one position to another. it cant be done unless you are on the outside helping with it. but if you insist i would love to hear from you how you can transfer the ammo to the turrets from other positions from the inside. and since you have been in a b17 i am pretty sure you know how roomy it was. specially with all the bombs inside the fuselage.
semp
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and since you have been in a b17 i am pretty sure you know how roomy it was. specially with all the bombs inside the fuselage.
semp
as colmbo actually flies the fricking things, I wont speak for him, I'll just add that as a one time passenger on a a b17g (EAA's "aluminum overcast"), behind the bomb bay its' actually quite roomy. the bomb bay itself is the only really tight area on the plane, and it's only about 4 feet long as I remember, but very narrow, but my fat arse fit thru even.
ahha my vid of travelling from bombardier to waist guns in flight with other passengers on board.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcx89bz_8aY
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as colmbo actually flies the fricking things, I wont speak for him, I'll just add that as a one time passenger on a a b17g (EAA's "aluminum overcast"), behind the bomb bay its' actually quite roomy. the bomb bay itself is the only really tight area on the plane, and it's only about 4 feet long as I remember, but very narrow, but my fat arse fit thru even.
ahha my vid of travelling from bombardier to waist guns in flight with other passengers on board.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcx89bz_8aY
i believe that but I would like to see the video of the ammo being loaded without help from the outside.
semp
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it cant be done unless you are on the outside helping with it.
Wow. The only thing that "can't" be done is doing anything with the ammo while outside of the aircraft. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. There is no access to the ammo, ammo box or feed trays from outside of the aircraft. ALL of the ammo can be accessed while inside of the airplane, in fact that is the only way to access the ammo.
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Loading from the outside??? Maybe they are referring to my bomber of choice.... the B-38 :D