Because that's what it is.
Nope. Try again... The AVA is a 24/7 matchup Axis Powers vs. Allied Powers with a imagined or real setting that does not have times to show up, dates of participation, need for registration, etc. Just show up and fight in a Axis vs. Allies match-up anytime! Everyone is welcomed.
Thanks for the press Icepac. :aok
:salute
Way
I've never seen anyone on.
A long time back it used to be but now it gets changed around so much trying to be a SEA III.No, he pretty much got it right.
1. WWII condensed into a tour long war with a starting date of september 1939.
2. Introduce a Rolling planeset in which planes become available when the date of the arena matches the date of the first known missions of said plane.
You run historic scenarios according to arena date by simply changing to the scenario terrain and picking the planeset for the duration of the event.
Once map is won after the scenario terrain, the terrain random generator goes back to work and the rolling planeset picks up where it left off.
This would require very little administration other than running the historic events within the arena and setting it back on "auto".............which is the job of whoever is running the event.
"Events" don't have to occur unless someone wants to run one and, since history of WWII is already known, it is easy to divine when a event scenario will occur within the timeline.
All you have to do post a list of events in the forum.........the dates are known.
It works on two other sims.
1. WWII condensed into a tour long war with a starting date of september 1939.
2. Introduce a Rolling planeset in which planes become available when the date of the arena matches the date of the first known missions of said plane.
Not sure you understand how the game works internally.
1. WWII condensed into a tour long war with a starting date of september 1939.
2. Introduce a Rolling planeset in which planes become available when the date of the arena matches the date of the first known missions of said plane.
I've checked the arena multiple times for almost every day of the last year and I've only seen 1 person in there on only a couple of occasions...........then I go to another sim and fly a true axis vs allies arena.
Because I have checked it every single day multiple times for an entire year.
It sits empty.
It is impossible for it go get any emptier.
What I suggested is easily possible or the main arena would not run.
| M3 M4A3(75) M4A3(76) M8 M16 Sherman VC 'Firefly' T-34/76 T-34/86 | VS. | Panther V G Panzer IV D/F Panzer IV H SdKfz 251/1 Tiger I Tiger II |
| B-17G B-24J B-25C B-26B B-29A Boston Mk III Lancaster Mk III Mosquito Mk XVI | VS. | Ar234B G4M1 Ju87D-5 Ju88A-4 Ki-67 |
| A-20G B-25H F4U-1C F4U-1D F4U-4 F6F-5 Il-2 Mosquito Mk VI P-38H P-38J P-38L P-40N P-47D-25 P-47D-40 P-47N P-51D Spitfire Mk XVI Tempest Mk V Typhoon Mk Ib | VS. | Bf110C-4b Bf110G-2 Fw190A-8 Fw190F-8 Ju87D-5 Ki-61-I-Tei Ki-84-Ia Me410 N1K2-J |
| F4F-3 F4U-1 F4U-1A F4U-1C F4U-1D F4U-4 F6F-5 FM-2 SBD-5 Seafire Mk II SBD-5 TBM-3 | VS. | A6M2 A6M3 A6M5b B5N2 D3A1 |
What I suggested is easily possible or the main arena would not run.
How come the players that have never been seen in the AvA always know how to "fix" it? Some might consider 8-10 players in an arena as empty. I'll take the quality of the fights you find with that 8-10 players over the MA arcade any day. :saluteQFT
How come the players that have never been seen in the AvA always know how to "fix" it? Some might consider 8-10 players in an arena as empty. I'll take the quality of the fights you find with that 8-10 players over the MA arcade any day. :saluteSpot on Ranger! :aok
It sits empty.
It is impossible for it go get any emptier.
Trying to thread the needle between being a scenario arena and a 24/7 open arena.
The worse attendance we ever get is when we just load a map and plane set and forget it.
How come the players that have never been seen in the AvA always know how to "fix" it? Some might consider 8-10 players in an arena as empty. I'll take the quality of the fights you find with that 8-10 players over the MA arcade any day. :saluteWay back the quality was there till a select few came in, as I said, and killed it. The quality you speak of now is few and far between. The last 2 times I tried the arena all I ran into was folks trying to ho and run to base.
Ya know he has a very valid point here. If ya try the rolling planeset as he suggests for a month, at the worst it wil be a tie for attendance, at zero.
Heck trying anything would be better than nothing.
Ya know he has a very valid point here. If ya try the rolling planeset as he suggests for a month, at the worst it wil be a tie for attendance, at zero.
Heck trying anything would be better than nothing.
AVA was killed by a select few folks that used to go there. Now it suffers because no one has gone back.
If it ever became the AVA again folks may return... it wont happen overnight. I tried it and was having a pretty good time till they started up with mini scenarios.
I don't even look at WWI or AVA anymore. I could not tell you how many go there.
I know yall are trying your best to garner interest..... I just lost all faith in it ever returning.
Way back the quality was there till a select few came in, as I said, and killed it. The quality you speak of now is few and far between. The last 2 times I tried the arena all I ran into was folks trying to ho and run to base.
I check the population numbers before I log in and after I log out. . . if I see more then 10 in there I will drop dy.
A long time back it used to be but now it gets changed around so much trying to be a SEA III.
Lusche,
I agree to an extent. The difference being that AvA events are generally designed with smaller numbers in mind. They do not need a large number to be enjoyable. Some of my most enjoyable and active moments in the arena have been with 5 or less participants. The same is true for a Dualing Arena with low numbers (more enjoyable).
What's more realistic than an arena where you have the same airplane matchups that occurred in real life.
that is because jaegr1 works his bellybutton off trying to give players what they want. he really does listen, and try to adjust to requests. the funny thing is how many people say "if you make XX setup, me and my squad will be there."......he makes that setup, and guess who doesn't show?
I will add that back when the AvA was first created as the Combat Theater I was one of the initial regulars and joined a CT squadron, the 27th Sentai, to have fun and provide opposition for the players who dream of "Marianas Turkey Shoots", but after awhile is soured due to elitist attitudes and persistently rigged settings. Even now I see the same kind of stuff. The final straw for me was the whole "We're better than you because we don't use icons and you're all just gamers who don't care about history!" crap.It was very stand up of the VF-27 Hellcats to split the squad and create the 27th Sentai to better the arena. And I agree, the bias shown towards the Allies in those days was a little much. Glad those responsible moved on.
Tuesday night--AVA Staff Squad night!, come on in and bring your friends. We'll all be there to welcome you with open arms and lead bullets. all squads welcome. 9pm EST.
lets see you all put your money where you mouth is. we'll be there, will you?
you want missions? we'll even set one up for you if you like. players choice. be there or be square!
It was very stand up of the VF-27 Hellcats to split the squad and create the 27th Sentai to better the arena. And I agree, the bias shown towards the Allies in those days was a little much. Glad those responsible moved on.The bias is still there, but it isn't so much for the Allies as for the Americans first and the Germans second.
Since you have offered, here is what would interest us. The planeset for the next FSO. I don't mean to make your baby a "practice" arena for FSO's but heck, if it makes the AvA popular, why not. (not saying it will, I'm clueless)This is a pretty good idea, but the big problem is that FSOs last a month and AvA just a week. This months FSO is Battle of Britain, how would you keep intrest in the AvA arena with such a limited planeset? Maybe use a similar setup in the AvA the week before the first FSO frame. But that is just one week in a month, and that doesn't really help the AvA whole. I'm sure the AvA staff would like the arena to have an identity beyond "FSO practice arena".
OK, thanks for the invitation. That is tomorrow night so I'm gunna post in our squad forums your invitation.
Since you have offered, here is what would interest us. The planeset for the next FSO. I don't mean to make your baby a "practice" arena for FSO's but heck, if it makes the AvA popular, why not. (not saying it will, I'm clueless)
I'm posting this on our Forum NOW.
The bias is still there, but it isn't so much for the Allies as for the Americans first and the Germans second.People have no taste. The Ki-84 is by far the finest plane in this game.
OK, thanks for the invitation. That is tomorrow night so I'm gunna post in our squad forums your invitation.you know that he tried something like that too? when winter sky death ground was getting off to a start, they set up the arena as a practice for this.
Since you have offered, here is what would interest us. The planeset for the next FSO. I don't mean to make your baby a "practice" arena for FSO's but heck, if it makes the AvA popular, why not. (not saying it will, I'm clueless)
I'm posting this on our Forum NOW.
Icepac, if nothing else, you generated a great discussion :)
Now, I suggested that icepac has the ability to do anything he wants in the custom arena. Go build a map with the original war planeset. Go build more maps because each map with the period has to be built with the default settings that when loaded, has the planeset he wants.
The maps don't matter.
The entire purpose is month accurate rolling planeset so we see the same matchups that occurred in the real war.
The RPS was a lot of fun and generated a lot of interest. The first time.
People have no taste. The Ki-84 is by far the finest plane in this game.It isn't just that. It is the lack of attention to detail if it isn't American or German. We only have three reasonably complete planesets (US,UK, Germany) so the sample size isn't high, but the frequent misuse of the Spitfire Mk IX and what the Spitfire Mk VIII and XVI are and how to use them. Those are not complicated things, far simpler than the intricacies of Luftwaffe development and deployment, but you frequently see the long out of service 1942 Spitfire Mk IX used for late 1944 and 1945 settings. In the current setting they were going to add the very much more potent Spitfire Mk VIII before the Mk IX, I guess assuming that 8 is smaller than 9 so it must be earlier.
People have no taste. The Ki-84 is by far the finest plane in this game.It isn't just that. It is the lack of attention to detail if it isn't American or German. We only have three reasonably complete planesets (US,UK, Germany) so the sample size isn't high, but the frequent misuse of the Spitfire Mk IX and what the Spitfire Mk VIII and XVI are and how to use them. Those are not complicated things, far simpler than the intricacies of Luftwaffe development and deployment, but you frequently see the long out of service 1942 Spitfire Mk IX used for late 1944 and 1945 settings. In the current setting they were going to add the very much more potent Spitfire Mk VIII before the Mk IX, I guess assuming that 8 is smaller than 9 so it must be earlier.
. In the current setting they were going to add the very much more potent Spitfire Mk VIII before the Mk IX, I guess assuming that 8 is smaller than 9 so it must be earlier.
:x That's an Emil :xOf course it is! It's all that I fly in that arena all the time in this current awesome planeset
People have no taste. The Ki-84 is by far the finest plane in this game.
You can lead a horse to water...
I will add that back when the AvA was first created as the Combat Theater I was one of the initial regulars and joined a CT squadron, the 27th Sentai, to have fun and provide opposition for the players who dream of "Marianas Turkey Shoots", but after awhile is soured due to elitist attitudes and persistently rigged settings. Even now I see the same kind of stuff. The final straw for me was the whole "We're better than you because we don't use icons and you're all just gamers who don't care about history!" crap.
The only "crap" around here is what you're full of with your never ending nay-saying in every daily thread that you feel the need to troll in. Do you use an elevator to get up to your perch or is it done by pulley system? Most other players are nice enough to let you post your dribble & then move on with the discussions. Unfortunately, I'm not one of em. I personally don't give a damn what your opinion of anything is because it's going to be negative and condescending no matter what.
Have a nice day.
Eh no the F4U-1A is. :D
Before you go challenging me to duel I freely admit you could fly a Sopwith Camel and beat me if I was in a 262. I still think the 1A Corsair is the best bird in the game. The KI-84 is certainly close but it doesn't come in blue. ;)
WHATCHU TALKIN BOUT?!
WE all know that the mighty peee38 is the best aircraft.
The ONLY way you will get a map to load automatically with a certain plane set is to create the map with those planes built in.The last I knew, this feature wasn't working. I'm not a map maker though so I can't be sure.
yuck! F4u and P38 fight to the place of the worst looking birds!
imo : )
Eh no the F4U-1A is. :D(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Ki-84-1.jpg/300px-Ki-84-1.jpg)
Before you go challenging me to duel I freely admit you could fly a Sopwith Camel and beat me if I was in a 262. I still think the 1A Corsair is the best bird in the game. The KI-84 is certainly close but it doesn't come in blue. ;)
What's more realistic than an arena where you have the same airplane matchups that occurred in real life.
It couldn't have less participation than it has now.
I say kill off one of the deadbeat arenas and make it Korea. It couldn't have less participation than it has now.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Ki-84-1.jpg/300px-Ki-84-1.jpg)
We can pretend it's blue. :D
The maps don't matter? I think now you are just being deliberately argumentative. Of course they matter. I thought you said you wanted an automated system? If you do, then the maps are created with the default planes built in. The ONLY way you will get a map to load automatically with a certain plane set is to create the map with those planes built in. Of course they matter. If you don't do it that way, you have no choice but to have the AvA guys manually change the manually created tables and set the arena up.
You said this was easy, I went on the assumption you knew what you were talking about.
Now you want a Month accurate planeset, I'm confused, you started out saying that when the war was won you wanted the new rolling planeset to automatically load up. It was easy, remember?
You are changing your argument again, you really need to focus. I'm pretty much done with you though, you aren't willing to accept that concept that you might not know what you are talking about but are convinced everyone else is wrong. Can't teach anyone anything that way.
Who will see it there?Well you can come troll over there if you want but as the discussion is going pretty well so you may be disappointed.
A rolling planeset "event" would require at least two weeks to an entire tour to enjoy any of it's benefits.
It would completely defeat the purpose if it were shorter.
has no one figured it out yet? he just wants to argue, and anything you all say is wrong in his eyes.
No it's not...
:neener:
This isn't an argument, it's just contradiction!
Wiley.
oh no he used the big red font!
Argh! I am undone!!!
*thud*
Wiley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
1. WWII condensed into a tour long war with a starting date of september 1939.
2. Introduce a Rolling planeset in which planes become available when the date of the arena matches the date of the first known missions of said plane.
You run historic scenarios according to arena date by simply changing to the scenario terrain and picking the planeset for the duration of the event.
Once map is won after the scenario terrain, the terrain random generator goes back to work and the rolling planeset picks up where it left off.
This would require very little administration other than running the historic events within the arena and setting it back on "auto".............which is the job of whoever is running the event.
"Events" don't have to occur unless someone wants to run one and, since history of WWII is already known, it is easy to divine when a event scenario will occur within the timeline.
All you have to do post a list of events in the forum.........the dates are known.
1. WWII condensed into a tour long war with a starting date of september 1939.sounds good and fun. How could you please do that then? would be good for everyone
2. Introduce a Rolling planeset in which planes become available when the date of the arena matches the date of the first known missions of said plane.
It's that simple.
Something has changed with people vs the RPS. From what I can gather listening to the geezers talk, there was a (brief?) period when the AvA style arena was where it was at in WB, and then for whatever reason, it died off and has not worked in a game since.
The last week of the rotation when all the late war birds were available was the only time the arena was full.
Therein lies the rub. Everyone wants to fly their Late War hotrods with lots of cannons. If they can't get them, they won't come in. So, the first 3/4 of your RPS schedule will be virtually empty. (Which is why Early War and Mid War are lacking in numbers. It's not the skill level of the people, it's the lack of Late War hotrods that go 500Mph and have big cannons).
(Which is why Early War and Mid War are lacking in numbers. It's not the skill level of the people, it's the lack of Late War hotrods that go 500Mph and have big cannons).
actually, i think there's other reasons those arenas are lacking numbers.
soooaarrrrr like a bird........... :noid
It's a tad more complex than that ;)
Well, numbers breed numbers. If more people had the patience to fly something that can't fly 400+ and wasn't loaded for bear, more people would be in there. More people means less tomfoolery being allowed by any one squad.a bunch of us used to. i think i used to fight you in there a lot. that is of course when there was actually fighting in there. unfortunately, i was part of the problem i think in the ew arena, as i was in one of the squads that liked to take bases at any cost.....including avoiding a fight. i got out of that squad. they left, and there was one group that'd go take bases....if they encountered resistance, they'd go attack another. this i feel is a large part of what killed ew. those planes are a blast to fly.
I don't think it's a lot more complex...a little, but not much. I realize that the Late War crowd generally looks down upon every other arena, and the players that frequent them, as a waste of server resources and filled with skill-less second-class citizens. It's that attitude that is the bane of this game and one reason for the percieved decline in new subscriptions and the general downfall of gameplay.
and there was one group that'd go take bases....if they encountered resistance, they'd go attack another.
then they come to mw to farm for perks. i had a member call me a fairly nasty name in mw a few months ago, because i shot down her bombers. she said she needed the points......
Yep, that's my point. If there were more people flying in there, those types of squads wouldn't be able to hide so easily, taking bases from the side with nobody on it.
And that's why HTC should re-work the perk system so you can only spend them in the arena where you earn them. But that's a whole other discussion for a whole other thread.
Ink, right now Tuesday nights starting 9pm est are best.
I'll never guarantee what player behavior will be, since that's out of control.
Sorry, you don't get to chose what I address simply because you don't like the answer..
I'll venture that 50% of the current aces high population was not around to experience your references to previous arena configurations featuring a rolling planeset.
Are you speaking for them........who have yet to experience this........that they can't have an arena that favors planeset realism?
Your arena sits empty.
Let's try new things...........or at least things that would be "new" to the large portion of aces high subscribers who weren't around to experience what you campaign so strongly against.
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You have been arguing a point that hasn't existed since the first page of this thread.
It's not part of the wish and hasn't been since the first page of this thread.
I'll venture that 50% of the current aces high population was not around to experience your references to previous arena configurations featuring a rolling planeset.
Are you speaking for them........who have yet to experience this........that they can't have an arena that favors planeset realism?
Your arena sits empty.
Let's try new things...........or at least things that would be "new" to the large portion of aces high subscribers who weren't around to experience what you campaign so strongly against.
The maps don't matter? I think now you are just being deliberately argumentative. Of course they matter. I thought you said you wanted an automated system? If you do, then the maps are created with the default planes built in. The ONLY way you will get a map to load automatically with a certain plane set is to create the map with those planes built in. Of course they matter. If you don't do it that way, you have no choice but to have the AvA guys manually change the manually created tables and set the arena up.
You said this was easy, I went on the assumption you knew what you were talking about.
Now you want a Month accurate planeset, I'm confused, you started out saying that when the war was won you wanted the new rolling planeset to automatically load up. It was easy, remember?
You are changing your argument again, you really need to focus. I'm pretty much done with you though, you aren't willing to accept that concept that you might not know what you are talking about but are convinced everyone else is wrong. Can't teach anyone anything that way.
Ranger makes great maps..............
Yeah, I wandered in there last night for a while, and I quite enjoyed the different appearance. It completely hosed how I have my icon colors set up due to my color blindness, but it was still great. :)
Wiley.
Thank you Wiley, Ink & Zoney for visiting the AVA! :aok
Ill be back :D
:salute
as you typed that, was it in your head with the terminator tone of voice? :devil
I absolutely love AVA, if I see 6 or 7 peeps in there. I hop in for some small historical dogfights.
Best time I had was the Battle of Britain Scenario, when I was no 1 in my evil Spit 1 of absolute pwnage :devil
Really fun low furballs with no icons over the channel, absolute blast. AVA is the place to go for all your historical dogfighting needs.