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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kev367th on May 11, 2012, 08:14:18 AM
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Ignoring the usual perk the XVI, hordes, new planes etc etc.
What has changed since 2007?
Thinking more along the lines of the strategy side of things.
Don't know exactly what to put out there but the old hands know how I used to play the game.
Also what are the numbers like Oz prime time (East coast). A quick check of the time difference puts East coast USA prime time about 9-->10am here, so possibly only on Saturday mornings here.
Just have to get it past the wife ack :-)
Cheers
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Very little on the strategy front. Most base captures are done by mindless hordes. Strata depots are clumped together and are mostly ineffective. Their are no more "leaders" that can make a real plan and players with enough skill to care it out well with out having more than 40 people to carry it off.
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Don't mind Fugi, his cat apparently shat in his cereal this morning! :lol
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Slip the wife a rufie and jump back in. :D
#s about 300-400 or so in MA around 9:00 pm EDT. You should notice a different Town layout, Vehicle bases, and added the Storch for finding GV's as thier icon range is less. WW1 arena is fun when you find a few in there.
Good Luck :aok
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Don't mind Fugi, his cat apparently shat in his cereal this morning! :lol
My word :old:
That would ruin your day :)
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Ignoring the usual perk the XVI,
Hardly happens anymore, not at least becasue there are much less Spit XVI's (and spits in general) around, the P-51D has become the dominating plane of LW.
Strategy is basically nonexistant beyond "need X bases to win the war", zones and zone bases are gone too.
LW arena has gone back to single format.
New planes & GV since 2007
A6M3
B-25C
B-25H
B-29
Brewster B-239
G4M1 Betty
I-16
M-18
M4A3(75)
M4A3(76)W
Mosquito Mk XVI
P-39D
P-39Q
P-40F
P-40N
P-47M
Panther G
Panzer IV F
SdKfz 251
T-34/85
Tiger 2
Wirbelwind
Fi 156
+ 4 WWI planes
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Very little on the strategy front. Most base captures are done by mindless hordes. Strata depots are clumped together and are mostly ineffective. Their are no more "leaders" that can make a real plan and players with enough skill to care it out well with out having more than 40 people to carry it off.
:headscratch: :rofl :noid
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get on back here kev.
lots of new toys to play with.
theres even a sun you can hide in and bounce people with now too.
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367th is alive and well Kev, DH, Tull, chubs, ProJoee all the usuals :)
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The game is more than it was before.
More fun if you like to have fun.
More misery to wallow in if that's what you want.
Make your choice, come and fly.
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Just have to get it past the wife ack :-)
Just buy her something she wants & then pop the question :D :banana:
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What has changed since 2007?
Thinking more along the lines of the strategy side of things.
Kev, not much in a positive way. The de rigeur of captures is now to bust all the hangars while busting the town. A far cry from, vh, deack, cap, and capture. I keep playing because of the friends I've made. It's nice to catch up with them, and laugh.
Whether it be air or ground, "fast and furious" sums up what I see as I fly past to pork or bomb something.
Oh, busting hangars things also can have a 30 plane noe component to it also. Not my cup of tea.
Nice to hear from you. Hope all is well.
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Very little on the strategy front. Most base captures are done by mindless hordes. Strata depots are clumped together and are mostly ineffective. Their are no more "leaders" that can make a real plan and players with enough skill to care it out well with out having more than 40 people to carry it off.
^This^
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planes=Some :)
Tanks=Lots :D
Strategy=Crap :ahand
11 year olds=Crap ton :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
Fun=Oh Yeah :aok
Vulch=Not as much :frown:
Bishops=Not as much of a hoard as they used to. :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane:
Rooks=Still suck :neener:
Nits=Still think they're cool kids. Reality -> :banana:
Graphics=EPIC NOW :aok
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Graphics=EPIC NOW :aok
(http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/tamparacing/smiles/seriously.gif) :huh :uhoh They are OK, and better than before but, FAR from epic.
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:huh :huh :huh I hope he wasnt eating Trix.....ewwwww! :uhoh :eek: :headscratch:
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theres even a sun you can hide in and bounce people with now too.
The sun is probably the best addition in the recent past. You can literally lose aircraft in it, where before it was just annoying and unrealistic.
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Don't mind Fugi, his cat apparently shat in his cereal this morning! :lol
No, my cat is trained much better than that. It's amazing how well they learn when they know that bad behavior is met with a toss into the dog kennel for an hour :devil
The game is more than it was before.
More fun if you like to have fun.
More misery to wallow in if that's what you want.
Make your choice, come and fly.
While I'm sure Zoney believes I enjoy wallowing in misery, I do still have fun with this game. I'm just one of those guys that tell it like it is. I don't see any reason to "sugar coat" anything. The OP ask for some opinions and I gave mine.
There is a lot that is .... shall we say, no longer "good" with the game.
The game itself has made great strides. The sun is far better than it was, more of the planes have been updated to the newer 3D model and look great, a number of new versions of planes have been added as well as new planes. New GVs have been added and while some don't like it, the new drive train for the GV have made it easier for newbies to jump in a play even with out a stick. We have a couple new maps (to the OP any way), a WWI arena with 4 planes, as well as the ability to create and run our own little arenas. Yes I would say the game it self has made great strides and seems to be continuing along that path as seen by the release of the pictures of the new JU.
Game PLAY on the other hand has gone steadily down hill and doesn't look to be turning back "up hill" any time soon. In today's game play style of "spawn in, running around emptying your clip until you get blasted and repeat until someone captures the flag" skill is no longer a requirement for most players. Yes there are those that do train and try to get better, as well as those that like many of us "old timers" pretend we are pilots in WWII, but those types of players are now the minority to the "gamer" types that spend more time looking for short cuts than they do learning how to get better.
So KEV, come on back and test the waters yourself. It's only $15 (still :D ) Check out the new toys. As posted above there is still fun to be had, tho it's a bit harder to find.
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Graphics=EPIC NOW? Negative. As far as pay to play games online, aces high has some of the worst graphics money can buy lol.
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Graphics=EPIC NOW? Negative. As far as pay to play games online, aces high has some of the worst graphics money can buy lol.
They do get better with each update though.
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Ya know what I find funny? All these folks on here crying about NOE attacks etc.
You know what you girls could do? START YOUR OWN MISSIONS!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
When you START a mission - YOU lead it. YOU tell people where to drop, where to go and what to do! :x :x :x :x :x
Hell - create a big dar bar - call your mission out over 200.
The fight is only as weak as the people who are online.
:bhead
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No one wants to hear your bloody mouth Kev, stay gone! :)
Game has lost a bit of luster since JimBeam quit, must admit.
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Graphics=EPIC NOW? Negative. As far as pay to play games online, aces high has some of the worst graphics money can buy lol.
List one MMO game that's only 272mb in size that has graphics on par or better than AH.
ack-ack
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MMO game that's only 272mb in size
This is a really bad qualifier for this. Because with better graphics comes larger size. At any rate size shouldn't be a concern when you can get terabytes on the cheap.
That said, I have to agree you really can't call AH's graphics 'EPIC' but they are decent enough, particularly in detail of the aircraft models. The terrain graphics on the other hand, while generally improved over time, aren't really competitive with other examples I've seen lately. Although, they are probably held back to some extent by the legacy map system that been relatively unchanged for years.
I too have pondered coming back to this game but I can't justify the expense with all the free to play/pay to win gaming that is available these days, not to mention other gaming expenses (Diablo 3 anyone).
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I too have pondered coming back to this game but I can't justify the expense with all the free to play/pay to win gaming that is available these days, not to mention other gaming expenses (Diablo 3 anyone).
You mean games that have a hit bar for tanks and aircraft? yeah Free games are fun and all until you realize they appeal to people who got rejected from Aces High.
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I think the current graphics are pretty good.
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9308/br1j.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/br1j.jpg/)
I started playing in '04. Most of today's players never saw the checkerboard terrain patterns of days gone by.
(http://www.imagecoast.com/images/NOT/mossvsltar.jpg)
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I think the graphics are very :)
I thought AH was a flight combat sim not a strategy game :)
For a small download it is fantastic, those who complain about the game are silly :)
Jayro for example does Ad Hoc missions which are very good :old:
How much is subscriptions i forget about 20 pennies a day :banana:
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Kev,
I'm same timezone is you give or take couple hours and just returned after two year gap. Nothing significant has changed to improve things strat wise I can think of, unfortuantely I think evening numbers our time zone are worse. Seems to be average only 50 or so online which makes for a very long and quiet night, especially when you consider how many of those might be in a GV war.
Graphics wise pretty much looks same apart from new textures and added clutter.
AKAK as far as 272mb, what's the point of that when most here are probably downloading GB's of stuff over broadband connections. I think very few would still be restricted to dial-ups which was the old reason for keeping the MB low and thats going back 10 years.
<S>...-Gixer
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List one MMO game that's only 272mb in size that has graphics on par or better than AH.
ack-ack
List a few MMO's that are 272mb in size that are pay to play...
I dont think anyone would complain if the download was larger and the graphics were vastly improved. I for one love immersion into a game, and this only happens when dog fighting somtimes. It would be nice to have some puffy cotton ball like clouds to bust through and hide in, etc. My point is simply that for 15 bucks a month the world is kind of an eye sore, the planes are semi decent. Still game play is very fun which is why i stay.
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I look forward to seeing how it works out for you. I tried to return but just never could get the energy going again like we used to have.
I think the key to having a successful return will be finding old friends. when I came back the squad basically had disbanded and I couldn't find enough critical mass old buddies to fly and keep it fun. Hard to be on together.
Good luck. <S>
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It's been fun Kev. I came back a couple months ago.
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My word :old:
That would ruin your day :)
Hahahaha :rofl
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Graphics=EPIC NOW? Negative. As far as pay to play games online, aces high has some of the worst graphics money can buy lol.
Even if this is true, and it isn't, it's not relevant. Graphics don't keep players playing a game long-term; gameplay does. Aces High excells in gameplay compared to the competition.
If you want the ultimate in realistic graphics, get out of your your chair and go outside.
MH
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If you want the ultimate in realistic graphics, get out of your your chair and go outside.
MH
Did that, shot at some airplanes flying by, now i'm in this little room with padded walls. thx.
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(http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/tamparacing/smiles/seriously.gif) :huh :uhoh They are OK, and better than before but, FAR from epic.
in a 1-10 i give it a 7. i play BF3 and thats my 10. so i think they are pretty epic. just sun and clouds needs work
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I haven't noticed a big change in gameplay since Air Warrior; same hordes, same NOE missions, same griefers and the same groups of guys looking for a fight.
Unfortunately strat play has diminished and limited gameplay options with the clustering of all factories which were then pushed into the nether regions of each country.
On the other hand there's new toys and better graphics.
Hope you come back. It would be nice to see more of the old hands return.
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Hurry back, Kev.
It's still a blast and I'm still leery of typhies after the whuppings you laid on me.
HONK!
Gooss
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My Internet gaming experience went full circle. I started with Aces High, went to other games, and ended up back to AH even tho I was able to buy a real nice custom build. The FPS started sucking terrible. BF3 was a hacked letdown. Battleground Europe self destructed. Im to old for the silly kiddie fantasy games. And IL2 Cliffs of Dover was/is a barf bag. ROF is a nice write but Im just not a WW1 freak. DCS A-10 is a great write and a great community but I dont feel like going to flight school or dogfighting other A-10s, or even P-51s.
So here i am. Back in the game with the hangarfull of the planes I love.
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Even if this is true, and it isn't, it's not relevant. Graphics don't keep players playing a game long-term; gameplay does. Aces High excells in gameplay compared to the competition.
If you want the ultimate in realistic graphics, get out of your your chair and go outside.
MH
Firstly, i've never said that I was looking for the most realistic graphics out there. Also, my point is very relevant, if someone is asking what has changed and I say the graphics are still crap, then there you go. Third, I have obtained multiple pilot ratings in real life, so I think I've earned a seat in my chair for awhile. :P
I dont know why people get so butt hurt defending this game. I enjoy playing it just as much as the next guy, my only point was that as far as games that charge you $15 a month, the graphics are not on par with other pay to play games.
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Been waiting to hear of you.
Many changes, towns bigger, more tanks, few more planes, same spits(let us not dwell on that). Once past those, very much as was.
No one in AvA, WW1, Early War or Mid War areanas except few diehards, altho can be great fights. Friday Special Opes stil shining, bright star of realism(no icons till up close..).
Oh, I have a new dog!
JGroth
PS Please come back, miss your character building assesments of my skill....
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Firstly, i've never said that I was looking for the most realistic graphics out there. Also, my point is very relevant, if someone is asking what has changed and I say the graphics are still crap, then there you go. Third, I have obtained multiple pilot ratings in real life, so I think I've earned a seat in my chair for awhile. :P
I dont know why people get so butt hurt defending this game. I enjoy playing it just as much as the next guy, my only point was that as far as games that charge you $15 a month, the graphics are not on par with other pay to play games.
:airplane: <=||LOL what does having multiple pilot ratings have to to do with it? If that is the case I guess I am an expert also (NOT) I have commercial, multi, IFR and instructor license and ratings, but I am sure no expert on this game.
My experience after playing some of the other online games is they SUCK big time. This is still dispute its problems the most fun and friendliest game going.
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:airplane: <=||LOL what does having multiple pilot ratings have to to do with it? If that is the case I guess I am an expert also (NOT) I have commercial, multi, IFR and instructor license and ratings, but I am sure no expert on this game.
My experience after playing some of the other online games is they SUCK big time. This is still dispute its problems the most fun and friendliest game going.
I wasnt bringing up pilot ratings because im a game expert, far from it. He had said if I want realisim I should get out of my chair and go outside, so my response to him was that i've done that and earned pilot ratings.
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Wait Wait Wait YOU found someone that married your mean scottish azz? Well Well there is a god congrats whats his name? Now quit hanging round the boards pony up the money
shut up strap in and kill something would ya been years since someone stole my kill from 200 over my shoulder . :cheers:
DH
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Wait Wait Wait YOU found someone that married your mean scottish azz? Well Well there is a god congrats whats his name? Now quit hanging round the boards pony up the money
shut up strap in and kill something would ya been years since someone stole my kill from 200 over my shoulder . :cheers:
DH
You tell him DH, Kev was always a good guy dispite being.....hmmmm scotish! :rofl :rofl :rofl
:salute
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(http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx147/MarineUS/Smileys/popcorn.gif)
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Kev, since you left there have been improvements made to AH skins that might interest you. We now have specularity and bump maps to play with, which makes a big difference to bare metal aircraft in particular.
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Did that, shot at some airplanes flying by, now i'm in this little room with padded walls. thx.
:rofl
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Graphics=EPIC NOW :aok
One day AH will look this good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=z_tf7bs_Y2A
One day. :pray
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Predator,
Is that a box game that's loaded upon a hard drive and played solo? Or is it an online game like Aces High?
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It's from the latest Il-2 game. Cliffs of Dover.
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One day AH will look this good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=z_tf7bs_Y2A
One day. :pray
Every time I see a video of that game, I get that much more tempted to swap up.
One thing that keeps me here is variety.
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Bah... COD is a buggy POS. It's extremely over-rated as well, as far as graphics go.
It's not all that realistic. It's got excessive sun glare and shadows, that's what attracts the eye and makes it stand out. Other than that, it's not all that good. The textures are so-so, and not very realistic (bare metal showing excessively from paint chipping on a BOB era 110? Hell no!) The view distance is limited by a rather short and obvious fogging plane. The land textures aren't very good either, and are the typical bland flat featureless IL2 terrains as well. Also, they add false details arbitrarily just to make you see something, and you think "wow, that's so detailed" regardless of whether it's realistic.
For example: I'm not so sure you can see whitecaps on the ocean that size from 15k+ altitude.
AH has better graphics in several areas than COD does. Sure it could use some improvement, but from what I read of COD, it'll fail to intall, let alone run, let alone play smoothly, 80% of the time. At least AH works.
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Yeah, looks very overrated :rolleyes:
(http://www.tothegame.com/res/game/12690/feature/2011-01-20/screen3_large.jpg)
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Don't mind Fugi, his cat apparently shat in his cereal this morning! :lol
Brilliant! :rofl
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Yeah, looks very overrated :rolleyes:
Yes, very overrated. Apparently your reading comprehension is lacking, since I explained why in some detail. Your screenshot does not change or refute anything I said. The only thing they do is up the contrast to rather absurd levels, so that any shadow is pitch black. That's not how things look in real life.
HTC isn't much different, the main difference being contrast levels in the lighting/shadows.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/ju87/ju87_7.jpg)
(http://wwiaircombat.com/images/2009/aces-high-fokker-dr1-1.jpg)
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Yeah, looks very overrated :rolleyes:
(http://www.tothegame.com/res/game/12690/feature/2011-01-20/screen3_large.jpg)
Ha! there isn't even Pyramid shaped hills.... That game is a complete joke! :rolleyes: :noid
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The pyramids are often issues with the map maker, not the terrain.
No pyramids here:
(http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t462/vedge122/Fw190A-5_ah_big_02.jpg)
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Thats the favorite part of this game for me. It actually works!
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and are the typical bland flat featureless IL2 terrains as well.
Yes the ground is featureless, bland, and flat in that picture... :rolleyes:
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Yes the Stuka cockpit looks exactly the same! :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw-urYrk3r0
And look at that boring bland terrain! :rolleyes:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/ju87/ju87_2.jpg)
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lol posting pictures of aces high to show that it can look good isnt really helping.. :rolleyes:
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You're glad you're alone, or you're glad you're not alone? I'd gladly download a 100+ gigs to get more eye candy. EVE Online is a several-gig download and they have like 400,000 active players. Download size doesn't seem to hold them back.
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Download size doesn't seem to hold them back.
Download size is a reason (excuse) that's been hanging around for 10 plus years, really can't be taken seriously these days. Along with the minimum PC specs at a bet I'd say most are into other sims/games as well and have high end machines, it's 2012 even my phone has a dual core processor. AH is still DX9 I don't know COD but I assume it's DX10 apples and oranges AH can't and never will look anywhere near that good until the core engine itself is upgraded to DX10/DX11
In the mean time graphic updates are just added clutter and textures on a 10 year old graphics engine.
<S>...-Gixer
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AH has better graphics in several areas than COD does.
With respect Krusty, but you can't be serious. That's almost stating that AH has better graphics than FSX in several areas.
<S>...-Gixer
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Since yall don't like Ah why don't yall go chat on their boards?
:D
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We have had a whole string of new season Finale winners in AHXARL. Stop by to see if you still have it.
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The pyramids are often issues with the map maker, not the terrain.
No pyramids here:
(http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t462/vedge122/Fw190A-5_ah_big_02.jpg)
look behind the stuka picture that you posted
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Since yall don't like Ah why don't yall go chat on their boards?
:D
+1
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Pyramids are a function of the terrain engine not the terrain designer: altitude points are on a 1/2 mile by 1/2 mile grid in AH so the minimum flat area is a 1/2 mile by 1/2 mile by 0.707 mile triangle. This cuts down terrain download size, but it also makes mountains look like pyramids and it makes things like, well, the Cliffs of Dover, impossible to render properly.
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OK will try and get things together for this weekend!
Slightly off topic - Guessing when the Mossie XVI was done the VI was remodelled, did they dump the flame dampers and adjust the speed?
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I dont think Ive ever seen such a digital abortion even close to whats called "IL2 Cliffs of Dover".
Yes the Stuka cockpit looks exactly the same! :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw-urYrk3r0
And look at that boring bland terrain! :rolleyes:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/ju87/ju87_2.jpg)
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The good thing about graphics in aces high is that is....can't think of any.
It looks bad, its not even fast.
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Slightly off topic - Guessing when the Mossie XVI was done the VI was remodelled, did they dump the flame dampers and adjust the speed?
they did!
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Gixer, your analysis is fatally flawed and seemingly biased against AH.
Your phone may have a dual core... but dual core what? That means nothing. It's still a phone. It also doesn't matter what DX level a game is coded in. DX10 makes some things a little easier to code for, but the same results can be achieved in DX9. Further, just because a game is DX10 doesn't mean it looks any better. It's not an automatic quality measurement. It depends entirely on what the programmers code the game to display.
Simply saying DX9 can never look as good as DX10 is ignorant. Further, saying that slapping updates to a 10 year old game won't make it any better is worse than ignorant. It's false and misleading.
FYI: Guess how old that IL2 engine is, that you're gushing over in COD? It's directly based off the code and display engine from the original IL2 engine. It's just as old as Aces High.
Judging by the freshmen programmers Ubisoft employed to code COD, I can't see how you can claim the programming is any better. As I said the only thing they do is up the contrast to supernatural levels. The contrast attracts the eye but it isn't natural or realistic. Shadows on sunny days are not pitch black. They are shades where detail is still visible. So, arbitrary false details do not make "realistic" and the coding is [explitive deleted], the flight modeling is [more expletive deleted]. I'm not saying it's unimaginitive or anything, but frankly COD is a total POS. As far as games go, abortion of a game is an apt description. They're not even fixing their code problems, they've dropped that code already and are going down a different development path already.
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Sorry to hijack YOUR ah vs IL2 thead but that's great kev will look for ya this weekend bud.
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Hehe DH.
shamus
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come on back Kev
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So 6 pages of you thinking of return or not? Well, have you made your mind? :bhead
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Has he come back or not?
If not........ we never liked you anyway :rofl