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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SFRT - Frenchy on May 23, 2012, 08:00:28 AM
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I was wondering how safe the droid operating system is? When I go on my favorite porn site on a PC, a bunch of trojans/worms auto download themselves, and next thing I know it takes over the dam thing. :joystick:Do droid suffer the same background drama? How about the ipad?
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:lol :rofl you're gonna go blind and have hairy knuckles...
http://androidforums.com/android-applications/36936-android-permissions-explained-security-tips-avoiding-malware.html (http://androidforums.com/android-applications/36936-android-permissions-explained-security-tips-avoiding-malware.html)
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I was wondering how safe the droid operating system is? When I go on my favorite porn site on a PC, a bunch of trojans/worms auto download themselves, and next thing I know it takes over the dam thing. :joystick:Do droid suffer the same background drama? How about the ipad?
Android is the worst of the new mobile OSes when it comes to security. Many phones have built in backdoors, some of which are public knowledge (ZTE) and in general there's little content control. Google is trying to put out a forest fire by killing 30% of the apps in the android store every month - more emerge however.
Windows phone 7 is a little unknown so far, it has so few users that there aren't too many exploits around. I think MS also controls the content much heavyer like Apple does.
By the way, if your favourite porn site starts to do anything on its own you're not browsing right. Use Firefox with the noscript addon and choose very carefully the scripts you wish to run. Better yet, skip windows and use a safer OS for browsing. I surf stumbleupon etc. sites on linux.
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Android is the worst of the new mobile OSes when it comes to security. Many phones have built in backdoors, some of which are public knowledge (ZTE) and in general there's little content control. Google is trying to put out a forest fire by killing 30% of the apps in the android store every month - more emerge however.
Windows phone 7 is a little unknown so far, it has so few users that there aren't too many exploits around. I think MS also controls the content much heavyer like Apple does.
By the way, if your favourite porn site starts to do anything on its own you're not browsing right. Use Firefox with the noscript addon and choose very carefully the scripts you wish to run. Better yet, skip windows and use a safer OS for browsing. I surf stumbleupon etc. sites on linux.
So first you say linux is unsafe then you say you use linux because it's safe. :) Awesome!
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So first you say linux is unsafe then you say you use linux because it's safe. :) Awesome!
He can't help it, he is mentally deficient.
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Can you get a virus just by browsing only? (I don't do apps much).
How about ipads?
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Can you get a virus just by browsing only? (I don't do apps much).
How about ipads?
I'd say nothing is completely safe from a virus but some are less likely than others. I have a droid phone and just for the sake of added security run Lookout.
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When in doubt just avoid the whole 'hairy knuckles' thing. I have a droid with neither hairy knuckles or virus problems.
Boo
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I downloaded the free AVG Anti virus app for my android. I am not saying it is the ende all ,be all fix .But it does help with most problems associated with my Droid .
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lol Ripley, more of that "ah luvz de iphone"...
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I downloaded the free AVG Anti virus app for my android. I am not saying it is the ende all ,be all fix .But it does help with most problems associated with my Droid .
Yeah I grabbed the Avast free for mine
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I used the Webroot Premium app (bought it on Black Friday for $.99). But I ditched it, since I am now running ESET Mobile Security. They now cover Android, after holding out and focusing on Symbian and Windows Mobile. This one is superior to Webroot Premium.
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So first you say linux is unsafe then you say you use linux because it's safe. :) Awesome!
Android != linux desktop
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lol Ripley, more of that "ah luvz de iphone"...
Lol gyrene81, more of that "ah hatez teh apple". The fact of the matter happens to be that Apple way has been the best way. Tight content control has kept the iPhone largely problem free.
Nowadays a phone can be directly used to purchase stuff - I would never use a smartphone that's not locked down as tight as possible. Well, unless I happened to be on a prepaid connection which limits the possible damage to 10-20 euros :)
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come on Ripley, people who have a clue don't swallow most of the b.s. from any of them. but then we are the minority, sitting back watching the trendy gadget geeks who demand more and more, get exploited. regardles of os they all have the good, bad and ugly to them. the more crap the companies put on the phones the more vulnerable they become.
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If the Iphone had flash it would be the perfect phone.
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Android != linux desktop
Yes
Here is some info to digest....
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/android-and-linux-re-merge-into-one-operating-system/10625 (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/android-and-linux-re-merge-into-one-operating-system/10625)
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Pron on an adroid phone? Never would have thought about it. But that does explain the app that charges the phone by shaking it up and down......
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Pron on an adroid phone? Never would have thought about it. But that does explain the app that charges the phone by shaking it up and down......
:lol :lol
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Antivirus on an android is totally unecessary. If you download an app that boggs down your phone uninstall it. All the antivirus does is slow down the phone and kill your battery life.
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Antivirus on an android is totally unecessary. If you download an app that boggs down your phone uninstall it. All the antivirus does is slow down the phone and kill your battery life.
I don't notice a single difference on my Droid X.
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I don't notice a single difference on my Droid X.
Neither do I. HTC Inspire.
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Lol gyrene81, more of that "ah hatez teh apple". The fact of the matter happens to be that Apple way has been the best way. Tight content control has kept the iPhone largely problem free.
Nowadays a phone can be directly used to purchase stuff - I would never use a smartphone that's not locked down as tight as possible. Well, unless I happened to be on a prepaid connection which limits the possible damage to 10-20 euros :)
coz yeah apple don't put a singular default SSH password on iOS right :lol ... and iphones/ipads don't get hacked faster than a sheeps knickers at blackhat conferences either :devil
If you look under the hood of iOS and android they're actually very closely related.
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Antivirus on an android is totally unecessary. If you download an app that boggs down your phone uninstall it. All the antivirus does is slow down the phone and kill your battery life.
LOL! Famous last words!
A virus on your smartphone can silently and undetected, call paynumbers and send smses to paynumbers. It can rack up a 10 000 dollar charge in one day.
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coz yeah apple don't put a singular default SSH password on iOS right :lol ... and iphones/ipads don't get hacked faster than a sheeps knickers at blackhat conferences either :devil
If you look under the hood of iOS and android they're actually very closely related.
Coz yeah non jailbroken iphones do not have ssh ports open. The person who jailbreaks the phone is responsible for setting up ssh then.
iPhones/iPads do not get hacked without being jailbroken, Apple content control has taken and will take care of that.
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Coz yeah non jailbroken iphones do not have ssh ports open. The person who jailbreaks the phone is responsible for setting up ssh then.
iPhones/iPads do not get hacked without being jailbroken, Apple content control has taken and will take care of that.
Google also has content control. You can't develop a virus and stick it in the Google Market, they will remove it. The only real threat, as with the iPhone and iPad, is downloading apps from sources other than the official stores. And whether using iOS or Android, if you do wind up getting a virus, you deserved it.
Not many viruses exist for either OS because there just isn't a reason for them. It is much easier to develop an app that legally takes your information than to develop a virus and ways of transmitting it. Why bring a virus to them, when you can develop an app that actually gets people to download it. Neither company is very strict on what information apps can collect.
Why worry about viruses, when both Apple AND Google allow app developers to collect information from you, from legally marketed apps, that don't even make sense for the app?
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I own a droidx, it's pretty cool when I got it rooted. had several roms installed and it worked pretty good, better than the factory installed rom. then we found out that one of the roms had a back door on it where the developers could, if they wanted to, have control over our phones. when it was discovered the developers apologized and said it was never used and a new rom was made without the back door on it. the developer is now one of the biggest developers on the android market of rooted apps. I believe him when he said the door was never used, but it has always bothered me to know that he did.
semp
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Google also has content control. You can't develop a virus and stick it in the Google Market, they will remove it. The only real threat, as with the iPhone and iPad, is downloading apps from sources other than the official stores. And whether using iOS or Android, if you do wind up getting a virus, you deserved it.
Not many viruses exist for either OS because there just isn't a reason for them. It is much easier to develop an app that legally takes your information than to develop a virus and ways of transmitting it. Why bring a virus to them, when you can develop an app that actually gets people to download it. Neither company is very strict on what information apps can collect.
Why worry about viruses, when both Apple AND Google allow app developers to collect information from you, from legally marketed apps, that don't even make sense for the app?
1) Google had no content control whatsoever for a couple of years. Literally anyone with an e-mail address and 10 bucks could upload anything they wanted.
2) Google still prunes out about 30% of applications monthly after release to market place due to malware behaviour, also since Android is open for external sources it's dead simple to create a "harmless" app that injects malware code in the phone from an external unrealiable source in form of software update
3) Android OS release model puts the task of updates to the operators. This has lead to operators making changes to Android - called operator back doors. They're a nice and convenient way to bypass any and all security measures built in Android and this is where the inherent insecurity of the Android model comes from. It has NOTHING to do with linux.
4) It's far easier to create an app that calls to payphones 10 000 dollars a pop instead of creating a killer app that everyone wants.
Statistically about 30% of apps in Android store used to have built in malware. And that's just in the official store! Now Google is playing catch up but still plenty of external uncontrolled places to get infections from :)
A smart phone is almost directly equal to your credit card. Would you let your credit card machine have back doors and/or load stuff to it from non-official sources? I bet not. I wouldn't. The only way I'll ever use an Android phone is by pre-paid cards. All the people who got 6 000+ euro or dollar bills from operators have lost the legal battles in the end unless the operator itself had mercy and cut down the payment.
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Yes
Here is some info to digest....
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/android-and-linux-re-merge-into-one-operating-system/10625 (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/android-and-linux-re-merge-into-one-operating-system/10625)
Even if android gets built in linux a linux desktop is still not an Android phone :) The operator add-ons is what makes Android a ticking time bomb - and rest assured there will never be operator code in mainstream linux kernel! Those folks are way too security obsessed.
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1) Google had no content control whatsoever for a couple of years. Literally anyone with an e-mail address and 10 bucks could upload anything they wanted.
2) Google still prunes out about 30% of applications monthly after release to market place due to malware behaviour, also since Android is open for external sources it's dead simple to create a "harmless" app that injects malware code in the phone from an external unrealiable source in form of software update
3) Android OS release model puts the task of updates to the operators. This has lead to operators making changes to Android - called operator back doors. They're a nice and convenient way to bypass any and all security measures built in Android and this is where the inherent insecurity of the Android model comes from. It has NOTHING to do with linux.
4) It's far easier to create an app that calls to payphones 10 000 dollars a pop instead of creating a killer app that everyone wants.
Statistically about 30% of apps in Android store used to have built in malware. And that's just in the official store! Now Google is playing catch up but still plenty of external uncontrolled places to get infections from :)
A smart phone is almost directly equal to your credit card. Would you let your credit card machine have back doors and/or load stuff to it from non-official sources? I bet not. I wouldn't. The only way I'll ever use an Android phone is by pre-paid cards. All the people who got 6 000+ euro or dollar bills from operators have lost the legal battles in the end unless the operator itself had mercy and cut down the payment.
I just read that 45% of Apple Apps have malware/viruses. So by those figures you stated, that makes Android 15% safer. Your rebuttal?
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I just read that 45% of Apple Apps have malware/viruses. So by those figures you stated, that makes Android 15% safer. Your rebuttal?
For sure those on the app store do not. Where did you read this from? :)
Google has removed a large number of apps from the official Android App Market that were discovered to contain malware, the company has confirmed. Before Google took action, however, the apps were downloaded over 50,000 times. A fix for infected users is said to be in the works.
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For sure those on the app store do not. Where did you read this from? :)
The same sources you listed
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For sure those on the app store do not. Where did you read this from? :)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/symantec-report-on-mobile-security-concludes-ios-and-android-bot/ (http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/symantec-report-on-mobile-security-concludes-ios-and-android-bot/)
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Also,
http://gizmodo.com/5885245/your-iphones-privacy-sucks-because-of-appleand-even-steve-jobs-agrees (http://gizmodo.com/5885245/your-iphones-privacy-sucks-because-of-appleand-even-steve-jobs-agrees)
Neither OS is safe. And as usual, it's the user who is the weakest link in the security chain.
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its probaby time for a new porn site then
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Leave the porn out of this, it has does nothing to you
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Also,
http://gizmodo.com/5885245/your-iphones-privacy-sucks-because-of-appleand-even-steve-jobs-agrees (http://gizmodo.com/5885245/your-iphones-privacy-sucks-because-of-appleand-even-steve-jobs-agrees)
Neither OS is safe. And as usual, it's the user who is the weakest link in the security chain.
Ahem..
Indeed, Symantec's thesis is that Apple's App Store approval process helps explain its lead in the malware-blocking department. Also, in shocking news, Symantec adds that people using jailbroken are especially attractive targets for attackers, and that these devices are as vulnerable as computers. Don't say no one warned you.
'stealing contacts' is pretty weak compared to android rootkits and malicious calls to payphones :)
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The same sources you listed
Oh I see so you decide make bogus claims without bothering to verify anything? Classy :D
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Oh I see so you decide make bogus claims without bothering to verify anything? Classy :D
Yes, I was referring to the fact you listed outrageous claims with no sources :aok
My mom always warned me about people like you, and not to engage you in conversation.
Enjoy your blind brand loyalty, instead of enjoying all technology.
I'm going to go throw a ball at my drapes, much more fun than arguing with a nut
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Yes, I was referring to the fact you listed outrageous claims with no sources :aok
My mom always warned me about people like you, and not to engage you in conversation.
Enjoy your blind brand loyalty, instead of enjoying all technology.
I'm going to go throw a ball at my drapes, much more fun than arguing with a nut
Nothing outrageous about my claims, if you bothered to google a little you would see verification to everything.
Being ignorant is no excuse.
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Coz yeah non jailbroken iphones do not have ssh ports open. The person who jailbreaks the phone is responsible for setting up ssh then.
iPhones/iPads do not get hacked without being jailbroken, Apple content control has taken and will take care of that.
and iphones never get jailbroken right?
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Even if android gets built in linux a linux desktop is still not an Android phone :) The operator add-ons is what makes Android a ticking time bomb - and rest assured there will never be operator code in mainstream linux kernel! Those folks are way too security obsessed.
No phone is completely secure.
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and iphones never get jailbroken right?
Never. Only if the user chooses to do so - and after that it's his business. Apple does not endorse it for obvious reasons.
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No phone is completely secure.
Of course not. But having one that has a strict content control and monitoring is 100x better than one that is literally open for anyone to attack.
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Of course not. But having one that has a strict content control and monitoring is 100x better than one that is literally open for anyone to attack.
Seems depending on Apple to protect you is not a good option either since they theirselves have been known to use extremely questionable software in their phones.
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Seems depending on Apple to protect you is not a good option either since they theirselves have been known to use extremely questionable software in their phones.
As long as there's no backdoor to root my phone and place calls to pay numbers I really don't care. Which is why I'll never put my sim card in an Android.
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As long as there's no backdoor to root my phone and place calls to pay numbers I really don't care. Which is why I'll never put my sim card in an Android.
How do you think jailbreaking works mrripley?
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How do you think jailbreaking works mrripley?
How do you think it works? A user deliberately manipulates the iOS kernel in order to gain root access. This process can not be done by malware, there's no way anything remotely that intrusive would ever get through the content control :) Also I'm in the understanding that jailbreaking cannot be done without an external process (i.e. hooking it up to a computer), no software running on the phone alone can root the phone.
On Android where user is free to download stuff from any and unrealiable source - it's highly likely to happen. Not to mention that even in the official marketplace Google is still slacking in content monitoring like the link I posted shows. 50 000 users had the chance to get infected before they caught the code. And this was just one sample.
The operator backdoors in Android make any 'jailbreaking' completely unnecessary - any malware has direct root access given as a present.
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Paranoid old people are funny.
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Paranoid old people are funny.
Young and foolish with a 20 000 USD phone bill crying on media are even funnier. :rock
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Young and foolish with a 20 000 USD phone bill crying on media are even funnier. :rock
I have an android (phone,internet,text) and a small monthly bill.
Maybe what happened to you was user induced.
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That "tight content control" exercised by apple has allowed market share to be taken away by android phones.
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That "tight content control" exercised by apple has allowed market share to be taken away by android phones.
Lol no quite the contrary. Android market share is large only because there is no Google phone like iPhone. It's virtually all Apples competition combined under one label, the OS.
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Lol no quite the contrary. Android market share is large only because there is no Google phone like iPhone. It's virtually all Apples competition combined under one label, the OS.
Android is android, apple is apple. The upstart Android has surpassed apple in a short time. That happens when one would rather tell the end user what he wants instead of giving him what he wants.
Personally I don't like the small screen on the apple phones. Some love them. Most would like a choice.
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I like that iTunes takes all of the worrywork out of my media; it decides for me what I can and cannot do with it.
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So first you say linux is unsafe then you say you use linux because it's safe. :) Awesome!
Having professional experience in this realm, the problem is that Android is frequently modified by OEMs to meet carrier demands on insane deadlines. The core Android system is quite solid, if you get the code from the public Google repos. By the time the carries and the OEMs install all their 'cr*p' including carrier approved spyware (Carrier IQ, etc...), its a totally different beast. Remember, if the Carrier installed it its 'marketing research software', if someone else installed it, its 'spyware'. This is true for all the phones....
Worried about security, don't buy a device from a carrier, buy it unlocked direct from Google. As for the Google store, if its free, you should ask yourself why?
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(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/silly-asian-28.jpg) :salute
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(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/silly-asian-28.jpg) :salute
Classy :D
Shows the difference between Apple and Android. One is classy, the other is simply out of control.
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I think Apple is really showing it's class by using the US customs as their own personal jack booted thugs and their army of copyright lawyers to stop by any means necessary anyone who would dare to make a smart phone.
Apple: Is it rectangular and have a touch screen? Then they're infringing on our copyrights.
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I think Apple is really showing it's class by using the US customs as their own personal jack booted thugs and their army of copyright lawyers to stop by any means necessary anyone who would dare to make a smart phone.
Apple: Is it rectangular and have a touch screen? Then they're infringing on our copyrights.
What you mean to say is Google ripped off iPhone technology and Jobs went jackshinola over it. He was quoted saying something to the sort of spending every last cent of the 40 billion cash to sue Google.
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I think Apple is really showing it's class by using the US customs as their own personal jack booted thugs and their army of copyright lawyers to stop by any means necessary anyone who would dare to make a smart phone.
Apple: Is it rectangular and have a touch screen? Then they're infringing on our copyrights.
I'm not an apple fan boy, and its true the Software patent system in the US is a joke, but it all comes down to this...
Apple products = tell me what I can do and have
Android = I tell myself what I want and can do with my phone
Increased freedom == increased responsibility. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
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I'm not an apple fan boy, and its true the Software patent system in the US is a joke, but it all comes down to this...
Apple products = tell me what I can do and have
Android = I tell myself what I want and can do with my phone
Increased freedom == increased responsibility. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Apple products = gets the job done intuitively and easy, you never need to mess with settings
Android = you need to be a geek just to do simple things. Plugging the thing to USB requires pulling a dropdown menu and choosing between usb modes etc. :) Not for people who just want to use a ready product.
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Apple products = gets the job done intuitively and easy, you never need to mess with settings
Android = you need to be a geek just to do simple things. Plugging the thing to USB requires pulling a dropdown menu and choosing between usb modes etc. :) Not for people who just want to use a ready product.
Steve? Is that you?
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Lol no quite the contrary. Android market share is large only because there is no Google phone like iPhone. It's virtually all Apples competition combined under one label, the OS.
Have you ever tried to get access to iphone as a hardware developer?
Find out how much it costs and get back to me.
The costs have driven many in my industry to not even attempt to make hardware that interfaces with the Iphone and instead concentrate on the android based phones because one doesn't have to bow down to apple and throw ridiculous amounts of money.
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Have you ever tried to get access to iphone as a hardware developer?
Find out how much it costs and get back to me.
The costs have driven many in my industry to not even attempt to make hardware that interfaces with the Iphone and instead concentrate on the android based phones because one doesn't have to bow down to apple and throw ridiculous amounts of money.
Apple obviously doesn't want every jack-of-all-trade one man company producing half baked hardware for it. They don't want to degrade the brand like Android has.
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Apple obviously doesn't want every jack-of-all-trade one man company producing half baked hardware for it. They don't want to degrade the brand like Android has.
Android is far better than apple. That is why it is in greater use. Android has done nothing but get better... not sure what your meaning of degrade is.
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Apple obviously doesn't want every jack-of-all-trade one man company producing half baked hardware for it. They don't want to degrade the brand like Android has.
This is total BS...
Both Apple and most of the Android hardware is made by the same company, FOXCONN. and yeah, your overpriced apple device was made by borderline slave labor.... so dream on son.
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Android is far better than apple. That is why it is in greater use. Android has done nothing but get better... not sure what your meaning of degrade is.
LOL! You must be on crack! :D
There are more androids only because android is cheaper to produce and readily available to every chinese low-grade manufacturer known to earth. Apple then again does not license iOS to anyone and produces only the high quality product they do. It makes no difference if it's built in Foxconn - it's the quality control and design process that counts. That's why Apple is the most successfull single phone manufacturer today.
Androids are literally cheap copies. Beware of cheap copies goes the saying :)
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LOL! You must be on crack! :D
There are more androids only because android is cheaper to produce and readily available to every chinese low-grade manufacturer known to earth. Apple then again does not license iOS to anyone and produces only the high quality product they do. It makes no difference if it's built in Foxconn - it's the quality control and design process that counts. That's why Apple is the most successfull single phone manufacturer today.
Androids are literally cheap copies. Beware of cheap copies goes the saying :)
I have only owned 1 iphone, had to return it. couldnt make calls with it as it couldnt connect. took it back to the guy at the store he couldnt figure out what was wrong with it either. got the droidx. never looked back. I still have my original droidx from 2 years ago, have installed countless roms and it took me about 5 minutes to figure out how to root it. I actually installed a new room about an hour ago as I got tired of the old one. now it looks like a new phone. and oh yes, i also can oc that phone and it's so simple to use. yes there's an app for that :).
I also got rid of all the junk that comes with the phone that I didnt want or need. I am surprised that you being an a guy who would tweek your system so it doesnt load useless programs would argue for a phone that is loaded with them and you cannot get rid of.
semp
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I have only owned 1 iphone, had to return it. couldnt make calls with it as it couldnt connect. took it back to the guy at the store he couldnt figure out what was wrong with it either. got the droidx. never looked back. I still have my original droidx from 2 years ago, have installed countless roms and it took me about 5 minutes to figure out how to root it. I actually installed a new room about an hour ago as I got tired of the old one. now it looks like a new phone. and oh yes, i also can oc that phone and it's so simple to use. yes there's an app for that :).
I also got rid of all the junk that comes with the phone that I didnt want or need. I am surprised that you being an a guy who would tweek your system so it doesnt load useless programs would argue for a phone that is loaded with them and you cannot get rid of.
semp
Hmm my iPhone has nothing useless on it and I would never even consider spending one second trying to mess with my mobile phone. A phone for me is a tool and I do not want to do any maintenance on it whatsoever if I can avoid it. So far the iPhone has worked perfectly starting from the initial installation.
I had to help my uncle to set up his Nokia N900 - talk about night and day difference. The Nokia setup was cumbersome, buggy and time consuming where the iPhone sets up in no time and basically doing nothing. Same was with Android, when I bought my kid a cheap android phone I regreted the decision the next night when I spent literally hours trying to get it to work. Everything was so clumsy and badly made it wasn't even funny. Like plugging it with usb - the iPhone starts the necessary apps on my mac automatically when I plug it in. Android did nothing, literally, when I plugged it in. Tried plugging it to windows - same thing. Tried plugging it to linux - again nothing. Tried looking for settings which were hidden under horrible mess of menus. Found several usb modes, including developer mode which did nothing to get the phone connected.
Finally I had to give up and read the manual :O which I never have had to do with an iPhone! Turns out when you plug the usb in, you need to pull a hidden drop-down menu from the top of the screen to activate the connection. Not to mention that even after plugging it, there was no automation whatsoever. No automatic sync of anything, all manual labour. Then there was problems with the wifi setup, poor GPS reception etc. My first and last android purchased phone for sure!
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Sounds like you got your kid a samsung intercept. The ONE thing that apple does well is concentrate on making a single mediocre product and marketing the hell out of it. With android there is a vast spectrum from truly horrible to absolutely magnificent. Honestly, what did you expect from a product that you described as "cheap"? Does your iPhone fall within that catagory?
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LOL! You must be on crack! :D
There are more androids only because android is cheaper to produce and readily available to every chinese low-grade manufacturer known to earth. Apple then again does not license iOS to anyone and produces only the high quality product they do. It makes no difference if it's built in Foxconn - it's the quality control and design process that counts. That's why Apple is the most successfull single phone manufacturer today.
Androids are literally cheap copies. Beware of cheap copies goes the saying :)
Well there went your idea of class right out the window.
Apple chooses to make theirs more expensive not because of cost but because the some sheeple will pay it.
Just like macs used to be the go to for graphics.... but not anymore.
You can be an apple fan. I prefer to use a product that does what I need when I need as I need.
Follow blindly and thou shalt get knots on your forehead
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Well there went your idea of class right out the window.
Apple chooses to make theirs more expensive not because of cost but because the some sheeple will pay it.
Just like macs used to be the go to for graphics.... but not anymore.
You can be an apple fan. I prefer to use a product that does what I need when I need as I need.
Follow blindly and thou shalt get knots on your forehead
Shuff, your wasting your time.... if some one on the bbs told you to change your religion would you? yeah so don't expect them to either....
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Shuff, your wasting your time.... if some one on the bbs told you to change your religion would you? yeah so don't expect them to either....
You're right. :aok
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Sounds like you got your kid a samsung intercept. The ONE thing that apple does well is concentrate on making a single mediocre product and marketing the hell out of it. With android there is a vast spectrum from truly horrible to absolutely magnificent. Honestly, what did you expect from a product that you described as "cheap"? Does your iPhone fall within that catagory?
Gota agree, I spent a lot of time researching before getting my most recent phone, and eventually getting a 50% pitchin for it as a holiday gift (HTC (got to figure that they got some good taste, right?) mytouch 4g slide, best mobile device I've ever had), just wear ear plugs when around a salesman - how many haven't learned that and are still driving cars they hate?
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Hmm my iPhone has nothing useless on it and I would never even consider spending one second trying to mess with my mobile phone. A phone for me is a tool and I do not want to do any maintenance on it whatsoever if I can avoid it. So far the iPhone has worked perfectly starting from the initial installation.
I had to help my uncle to set up his Nokia N900 - talk about night and day difference. The Nokia setup was cumbersome, buggy and time consuming where the iPhone sets up in no time and basically doing nothing. Same was with Android, when I bought my kid a cheap android phone I regreted the decision the next night when I spent literally hours trying to get it to work. Everything was so clumsy and badly made it wasn't even funny. Like plugging it with usb - the iPhone starts the necessary apps on my mac automatically when I plug it in. Android did nothing, literally, when I plugged it in. Tried plugging it to windows - same thing. Tried plugging it to linux - again nothing. Tried looking for settings which were hidden under horrible mess of menus. Found several usb modes, including developer mode which did nothing to get the phone connected.
Finally I had to give up and read the manual :O which I never have had to do with an iPhone! Turns out when you plug the usb in, you need to pull a hidden drop-down menu from the top of the screen to activate the connection. Not to mention that even after plugging it, there was no automation whatsoever. No automatic sync of anything, all manual labour. Then there was problems with the wifi setup, poor GPS reception etc. My first and last android purchased phone for sure!
and here's apple in their wisdom releasing a very powerful app. and by that I mean I love the way they truly research the apps sold. then again if you are willing to spend over 1k on a laptop that you could get for 500 bucks, you sure as hell can afford this one.
http://voices.yahoo.com/i-am-rich-useless-iphone-app-sells-99999-1784455.html
and one funny comment concerning you. I know you are very experienced in the computer field. but you didnt think that android phone needs drivers installed first to hook up to your computer? I know almost next to nothing but at least I know that drivers are needed. and my droidx took me about 5 minutes to make it look like I wanted with the apps I wanted without all the extra junk that you dont need. and I dont have to have the android market installed on my computer just to look at the pictures I took on my phone.
oh and I almost forgot the link in that app. very interesting reading.
http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/research/baba_wine.html
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and here's apple in their wisdom releasing a very powerful app. and by that I mean I love the way they truly research the apps sold. then again if you are willing to spend over 1k on a laptop that you could get for 500 bucks, you sure as hell can afford this one.
http://voices.yahoo.com/i-am-rich-useless-iphone-app-sells-99999-1784455.html
and one funny comment concerning you. I know you are very experienced in the computer field. but you didnt think that android phone needs drivers installed first to hook up to your computer? I know almost next to nothing but at least I know that drivers are needed. and my droidx took me about 5 minutes to make it look like I wanted with the apps I wanted without all the extra junk that you dont need. and I dont have to have the android market installed on my computer just to look at the pictures I took on my phone.
oh and I almost forgot the link in that app. very interesting reading.
http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/research/baba_wine.html
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Drivers? What drivers? :D
My iPhone never needed one driver installed. And the Android on Ubuntu needed no driver to be installed (just the annoying slide + touch combo). You're talking about the clumsy windows way there! At least the phone that I purchased didn't come with any software for it. It all counts for a set of legos. I want something ready, I don't want to spend time putting it together.
That app by the way is not installed on the iPhone by default and afaik is already removed from the app store too. I'm still wondering what 'unnecessary stuff' my iPhone has that I would have to remove to get it working properly. Apparently there are loads of such stuff on Android? Which is why you need to root it, void warranty and risk bricking the phone? :D
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Drivers? What drivers? :D
My iPhone never needed one driver installed. And the Android on Ubuntu needed no driver to be installed (just the annoying slide + touch combo). You're talking about the clumsy windows way there! At least the phone that I purchased didn't come with any software for it. It all counts for a set of legos. I want something ready, I don't want to spend time putting it together.
That app by the way is not installed on the iPhone by default and afaik is already removed from the app store too. I'm still wondering what 'unnecessary stuff' my iPhone has that I would have to remove to get it working properly. Apparently there are loads of such stuff on Android? Which is why you need to root it, void warranty and risk bricking the phone? :D
yeah but it lets you wonder how that app got past their so called standards :). which there goes your theory of anybody can have an app on the droid marker but not in itunes. as for the iphone do you use every single app that comes with it? really you do? on my phone every single app that i have either i use it or it's gone. try deleting an app that comes preloaded on the iphone. actually try changing it. and why must you have to have an itunes account to download free stuff? on the droidx that I have I only created an account after I wanted to buy an app. before then I could download all the free apps I wanted without having an account.
obviously the iphone works for you. it didnt work for me truly out of the box. I still have my droidx from 2 1/2 years ago. i have it with a custom rom to make it look different and also have it overclocked. doesnt even have a scratch on it. my friend had an iphone and it fell from the table as he pushed it by accident, he got a cracked screen. we all laughed at him. i dropped mine from the same hight 3 times and nothing happened to it. that tells you how well made the iphone is. and yes i dropped it so it would hit a corner and other that dirt nothing happened to it.
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yeah but it lets you wonder how that app got past their so called standards :). which there goes your theory of anybody can have an app on the droid marker but not in itunes. as for the iphone do you use every single app that comes with it? really you do? on my phone every single app that i have either i use it or it's gone. try deleting an app that comes preloaded on the iphone. actually try changing it. and why must you have to have an itunes account to download free stuff? on the droidx that I have I only created an account after I wanted to buy an app. before then I could download all the free apps I wanted without having an account.
obviously the iphone works for you. it didnt work for me truly out of the box. I still have my droidx from 2 1/2 years ago. i have it with a custom rom to make it look different and also have it overclocked. doesnt even have a scratch on it. my friend had an iphone and it fell from the table as he pushed it by accident, he got a cracked screen. we all laughed at him. i dropped mine from the same hight 3 times and nothing happened to it. that tells you how well made the iphone is. and yes i dropped it so it would hit a corner and other that dirt nothing happened to it.
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Why wouldn't that app make through the screening by the way? It wasn't malicious in any way, just vanity.
Why would I want to delete an app that comes with the iPhone? They don't interfere in any way and it has 64 megs of storage space. The only app that I never used is the 'stocks' app, all other default apps I have used in some way. If you're constantly worried about deleting stuff and maintaining your phone it tells me just one thing: your phone does not work satisfactory as it is now. That's why you need to delete stuff, update roms etc. hunting after a configuration that would work. My iPhone works out of the box, there's absolutely no need to mess with it.
The mandatory Apple id / iTunes account is just one way how Apple has thought the process over. Once you answer a couple of questions, you have everything set up. Mobile storage, different services, sync, locating your lost or stolen phone etc. etc. If iTunes wouldn't have come 'built in' I would never have bothered installing it and would have missed all the great stuff there. Currently I have 120 hours of free music via iTunes loaded to my phone for example.
With Nokia I had to google for solutions and register through online forms which were _not_ optimized for mobile devices.. Horrible. With Android, well, there was nothing offered or available. Only DIY :/
As for dropping the phone if the best thing you can think of about a phone is the ability to abuse it without breaking it ... well let's say that's not on the top of my priorities :)
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:rofl mrripley
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So what you're saying is that your mac came with the required iphone drivers pre-installed? Riveting.
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You will need drivers and possibly an application on the computer to access much more than it showing up as a simple removable drive.
You surely won't be tethering the iphone to a computer to use the iphone as your internet connection without adding drivers.
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just for lol'z windows is better than mac...
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no, I change my rom for the same reasons I rotate game sounds in ah, it makes it feel and look like a new phone.
as for why would you want to delete preloaded apps, same reason why you tell everybody to remove unnecessary processes in your computer. most I dont need or want.
I run a very lean phone and it is fast. I do all my banking and heck also my time card from work.
but I am still curious as to why you recommend to run a lean puter but not on your phone.
the only advantage we found out that the iphone has over droidx or many other android phones, and this includes several guys who were hardcore iphone fanbois was that angry birds gets released to the itunes market first.
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So what you're saying is that your mac came with the required iphone drivers pre-installed? Riveting.
Yep, that's a part of being a Mac owner. Same thing if you run linux and plug in an android. With windows... you're not so lucky.
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You will need drivers and possibly an application on the computer to access much more than it showing up as a simple removable drive.
You surely won't be tethering the iphone to a computer to use the iphone as your internet connection without adding drivers.
I surely have and will. Everything needed is built in my Macbook pro. And I love it.
With Android all you do get is pluggable drive at max, then if you want some additional functions it's time to start hunting software and drivers. Who wants that? Not me.
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no, I change my rom for the same reasons I rotate game sounds in ah, it makes it feel and look like a new phone.
as for why would you want to delete preloaded apps, same reason why you tell everybody to remove unnecessary processes in your computer. most I dont need or want.
This shows the level of your knowledge (or lack of). Preloaded applications are just files sitting in the mass storage - they're not processes that run constantly in the background.
I run a very lean phone and it is fast. I do all my banking and heck also my time card from work.
Wow, talk about living dangerously! :D You do understand that Android (especially rooted one) is probably THE most vulnerable and most attacked mobile platform to date? Did you skip everything I wrote about carrier backdoors and they enabling anyone to take full control of your phone at any given time? :)
but I am still curious as to why you recommend to run a lean puter but not on your phone.
Your phone is already 'lean' when you boot it up. It will run the necessary processes for functionality and nothing more. It's not windows. Well, unless you 'tweak' the system to become like windows i.e. do your own mods and wreac havoc.
the only advantage we found out that the iphone has over droidx or many other android phones, and this includes several guys who were hardcore iphone fanbois was that angry birds gets released to the itunes market first.
Well, there it goes again. Lack of technical understanding. IMHO the release of angry birds was one of the most shameful events in the history of the iPhone. How THAT got past content filtering I'll never know. It's mind boggling how a 20 year old game re-skinned makes you billions. They ripped off castle attack and switched humans to birds and pigs. Really one of the dumbest stories on the internet.
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This shows the level of your knowledge (or lack of). Preloaded applications are just files sitting in the mass storage - they're not processes that run constantly in the background.
Wow, talk about living dangerously! :D You do understand that Android (especially rooted one) is probably THE most vulnerable and most attacked mobile platform to date? Did you skip everything I wrote about carrier backdoors and they enabling anyone to take full control of your phone at any given time? :) really name one virus that has infected the android phones and that is such a threat that it will affect my banking i do on it. and please show me how to get rid of it as it really scares the crap out of me. oh wait, I havent gotten a virus after 2 1/2 years of having my droid x. actually if I suspect there something fishy about an email that was sent to me I open it with my droidx and i have yet to get a virus. and also i dont have an av installed on my phone either for the only thing it does is slow my phone down. as for the iphone having an app that will locate it, guess what the droidx has several apps i can choose from that have the same functionality. then again i dont have them as I treat my phone as if it was cash.
Your phone is already 'lean' when you boot it up. It will run the necessary processes for functionality and nothing more. It's not windows. Well, unless you 'tweak' the system to become like windows i.e. do your own mods and wreac havoc. really what exactly is "wreac havoc"? and how is it lean when there's apps that boot because apple thinks I need them. and how exactly does apple know what apps I need? do they come to my house and ask me? i must've missed them. as I dont have any problems at all with my 2 1/2 year droid.. my phone is faster than any of your iphones that was released at the same time.
Well, there it goes again. Lack of technical understanding. IMHO the release of angry birds was one of the most shameful events in the history of the iPhone. How THAT got past content filtering I'll never know. It's mind boggling how a 20 year old game re-skinned makes you billions. They ripped off castle attack and switched humans to birds and pigs. Really one of the dumbest stories on the internet. and that a shame that it is the only thing that iphone has over android.
what i find really amusing is for you to say that you had problems figuring out a phone for a family member . while me who dont even have 1/2 the technical knowledge that you do can figure how to to change the interface on my phone with about 10 minutes worth of research. hell i just changed the rom again because i wanted it to look different. not because i needed it but because I just got tired of the one I had. try doing that with the iphone. and all my apps were backed up and took me very little time to reinstall them.
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what i find really amusing is for you to say that you had problems figuring out a phone for a family member . while me who dont even have 1/2 the technical knowledge that you do can figure how to to change the interface on my phone with about 10 minutes worth of research. hell i just changed the rom again because i wanted it to look different. not because i needed it but because I just got tired of the one I had. try doing that with the iphone. and all my apps were backed up and took me very little time to reinstall them.
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/11/juniper-reports-skyrocketing-android-malware-infections/
http://www.itworld.com/security/264672/android-rootkit-poisons-apps-give-users-root-control
Last Friday, North Carolina State University professor Xuxian Jiang wrote on his blog that his team had discovered a new Android malware variant that pulls off a nasty trick. When it’s first installed on a user’s device, it contains no malicious code, evading any scans or requests for permissions that might catch its intentions on installation. Instead, the app is capable of downloading new code from a remote server after it’s already been on the phone for hours or days, hiding the data transfer in the phone’s communications.
The code it downloads includes an exploit known as “GingerBreak” that gains complete access to the device, allowing the cybercriminals to use any of the phone’s functions at will: calling paid numbers, reading data, listening through the microphone or installing whatever other apps they want on the device silently. One app that Jiang’s team saw the sleeper app secretly install, for instance, was DroidLive, another malware specimen that profits by sending text messages to paid numbers.
The malware’s trick–what researchers call “privilege escalation”–would be far more difficult on Apple’s more restrictive platform for the iPhone and iPad, which only allows approved code to run on the devices.
The infection is based on an SMS text message allegedly sent by the user's service provider. The message contains the request to download an important update and provides a link to this alleged update. One click on the link is enough to infect the smartphone – which means that drive-by infections have now reached the smartphone world. The link downloads the malware and executes the loader; this crashes the device and installs the actual malware components while rebooting.
Lookout Security reports that the firm has identified several sites that are serving up malware specifically targeting the Android platform. This means anyone with an unprotected Android device will begin to download the NotCompatible malware when they visit an infected site. The drive-by download is automatic via the system's web browser.
Oh yeah, looks like you have nothing to worry about! Drive by SMS infections, drive by web infections..
1) There are no unnecessary apps loaded on the phone as default on boot time. I don't know where you get that idea! Which apps do you think are started automatically on bootup and why they shouldn't be there? The phone works super responsive without any modifications right from the box!
2) I had problems figuring out the android because I was used to iPhone, I couldn't even imagine how complicated Android is to use i.e. have to read instructions to use it :)
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/11/juniper-reports-skyrocketing-android-malware-infections/
http://www.itworld.com/security/264672/android-rootkit-poisons-apps-give-users-root-control
Oh yeah, looks like you have nothing to worry about! Drive by SMS infections, drive by web infections..
1) There are no unnecessary apps loaded on the phone as default on boot time. I don't know where you get that idea! Which apps do you think are started automatically on bootup and why they shouldn't be there? The phone works super responsive without any modifications right from the box!
2) I had problems figuring out the android because I was used to iPhone, I couldn't even imagine how complicated Android is to use i.e. have to read instructions to use it :)
HMM
The first link it to an artical that ends with "take it with a grain of salt"
The second link is to an advertisement.
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FML I just got a virus on my android phone today, while shopping my phone loaded an app that plays over and over and you can't shut it off, some advertisement or whatever.
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HMM
The first link it to an artical that ends with "take it with a grain of salt"
The second link is to an advertisement.
Kevin Bogartys CoreIT Blog is an advertisement? Are you sure you're not infected with dns changer and your computer is taking you to completely wrong sites? :D
Juniper is not alone in this report. http://research.nq.com/?p=391
Of course you could argue that none of the antivirus warnings are to be taken seriously, afterall they're all found by the companies selling AV software :joystick:
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dood, there's virus for apple too. I dont see you too worried about them. I am not worried about the droid as I am careful on what I install. just like with my home computer.
and the technology to take over somebody's phone has been around for years. there has been many stories on tv and radio about how easy it is to take over somebody's phone that includes turning on the mike, video camera and to listen on to conversations.
as for the virus or rootkits, they have been around for a long time according to the companies that want to sell you the av. I have yet to know of anybody that has caught a virus or who's phone got taken over and ran hundreds of thousands of calls. so just like apple who keeps on saying that it cant be infected (or at least the salespersons) it is possible that android can also be infected. however it is highly unlikely. and what makes you think the iphone cant have the same problems?
I actually use my droid x to open email from people that i think may have a virus and it is sending spam. as it is safer than opening it with my home computer.
http://pcworld.about.net/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/169372/everybody_panic_the_iphone_has_a_vulnerability.html?tk=rel_news
http://pcworld.about.net/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10299378-245.html
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dood, there's virus for apple too. I dont see you too worried about them. I am not worried about the droid as I am careful on what I install. just like with my home computer.
I'm not worried and there are clear reasons.
1) Only signed code makes it through Apple app store
2) I don't jailbreak my phone
With Android any app can contain a rootkit as shown in the link. Install Angry Birds *bam* you got a rootkit and don't even know it.
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http://m.gizmodo.com/5915777/ad-networks-are-bypassing-apple-privacy-rules-with-
ua-bunch-of-new-tricks (http://m.gizmodo.com/5915777/ad-networks-are-bypassing-apple-privacy-rules-with-
ua-bunch-of-new-tricks)
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http://m.gizmodo.com/5915777/ad-networks-are-bypassing-apple-privacy-rules-with-
ua-bunch-of-new-tricks (http://m.gizmodo.com/5915777/ad-networks-are-bypassing-apple-privacy-rules-with-
ua-bunch-of-new-tricks)
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LOL I guess you missed that the article is not talking about malware lest alone a rootkit. They're just collecting statistics while showing ads. Pretty big leap to my phone phoning to pay numbers on its own :)