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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Oldman731 on June 02, 2012, 12:09:01 AM
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So watching some of these threads, one might think that being "elitist" is like being a child molester.
I am very proud that I am an elitist. I think everyone who plays this game should want to be the best. Obviously that only works for a select few (a small group which has never included me), but it's a goal I think we should all strive for.
We're all pretend-fighter-pilots (well...except for the bomber guys and P-38 people). Why would you not want to be as good as you could get? Why would you want to denigrate that as a goal?
- oldman
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Lol @ Krusty-inspired threads.
+1 to you sir.
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elitism isn't about aspiring to be more. It's about condemning those you feel beneath you, instead.
Inspire all the threads you want. I'm all for aspiring to be better/best/god. However, that's not what elitist commentary is about.
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So watching some of these threads, one might think that being "elitist" is like being a child molester.
I am very proud that I am an elitist. I think everyone who plays this game should want to be the best. Obviously that only works for a select few (a small group which has never included me), but it's a goal I think we should all strive for.
We're all pretend-fighter-pilots (well...except for the bomber guys and P-38 people). Why would you not want to be as good as you could get? Why would you want to denigrate that as a goal?
- oldman
Notes that oldman and CorkyJr, despite the many years trying, are still way down the slope on that climb up Everest :)
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elitism isn't about aspiring to be more. It's about condemning those you feel beneath you, instead.
Inspire all the threads you want. I'm all for aspiring to be better/best/god. However, that's not what elitist commentary is about.
here! :rock
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what? like you've never aspired to be god, 4prop :rolleyes:
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I am the BESTEST..... all trees fear me!!
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what? like you've never aspired to be god, 4prop :rolleyes:
His quip was meant to convey that he was already there. :neener:
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-You should stay away from Krusty, he's radioactive after all :cool:
-Yes the mere existence of elites disgusts me because I've never gotten an invitation to their secretive treehouse ergo I hate them.
! BUT, we should be above all that and realize that treehouses are simply dangerous places where children routinely mock OSHA standards and don't have access to what matters most- television! ( :bhead )
Kidding aside, using a simple reference to elitism to make a point in a separate thread probably doesn't warrant the creation of another thread...then again I should stop participating and go read rule#5 :bolt:
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There was no point. Simply more dogpiling on ol'e Krusty in a vain attempt to "join the club"?
Whatever. The thread was a failure anyways :)
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darn i'm just to slow with these jokes
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darn i'm just to slow with these jokes
How about this one?
A man....... walks.... into......
a bar.......
The ..... second....... man..... ducks....
How was the speed on that one? :cheers:
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:frown:
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ever notice how the truly best players in the game dont have to keep telling everybody how good they are?
semp
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I used to play "Elite" all the time on my Commodore 64 :)
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No matter of what occured in another thread, I find Oldman's statement to present undisputed truth. I am all for striving to be the best that you can be, and sometimes I tend to expect more from others. That is when I should be reminded that I can only fly my plane and no one else's.
For an example, I recently expressed my annoyance after being killed by a 30mm turd from yet another Bf109k4 cannon. I let my emotion spill over to suggest that the other pilot's choice to fly something so "uber" was somehow less of a show of skill. Touche, the K4 pilot replied that he was likewise not impressed with my poor turning in the Razorback P47D11 that I was flying. A point well taken. :salute
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I used to play "Elite" all the time on my Commodore 64 :)
I played Elite II (Atari ST) and Elite III (PC), those were awesome games, I wish there were more of this kind!!
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I do not think the OP fully realize the concept of elitism, it is also often referred to as satanism. The core value of satanism is the rightful exploitation of the weaker and less gifted many, by the strong and intelligent few.
I do not believe the AH community is elitist, but a lot of players want to be the best. Some like to pretend they are, here on the forum or ingame. We all have different definitions of what it means to be "the best" though. You have to consider also that a lot of people here just want to have fun. What is considered fun is also very different from player to player.
So... I guess what I'm saying is, you can't generalize like that but sure... if you want to troll that's a open field to play on.
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The core value of satanism is the rightful exploitation of the weaker and less gifted many, by the strong and intelligent few.
Without delving too much into Rule 14, that would be closer to Luciferianism. 'Satanism' in general is nothing of which you describe, but I wouldn't have expected any less here.
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Go to their official website; www.churchofsatan.com
There is a distinction between satanism and luciferianism of course, but saying that satanism is not elitist in nature would be erroneous.
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There was no point. Simply more dogpiling on ol'e Krusty in a vain attempt to "join the club"?
Whatever. The thread was a failure anyways :)
Funny, I didn't see you mentioned at all in the OP yet here you are. As entertaining as you might be at times, you really are in no way as important as you think. And who knew Oldman worshipped the Prince of Darkness? I didn't see that one coming.
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What does elitism mean?
-you got the willing to get better, youre an elitist?
-you prefer "quality engagement" instead of the gamey crap? You might even piss on your K/D?
-youre more proud than gang someone like a mofo and call "u were pwned, beyotch"?
-you think the "dogfighters should find another game" is just plainly wrong for an air combat sim?
Am i evil? Yes i am! I got my opinion about those who think the points listed above are wrong. There are many people who i respect based on their cartoon flying behaviour, many i absolutely not, and since i got nothing to lose, why should i care about those ones opinion who i dont like?
Am i skilled? Not so much, anyone who fought me could see i was a newbie forever. Am i an elitist tho? Aye, i am, and also proud to it.
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I used to play "Elite" all the time on my Commodore 64 :)
:aok
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So watching some of these threads, one might think that being "elitist" is like being a child molester. I am very proud that I am an elitist. I think everyone who plays this game should want to be the best.
Because it also smacks of chest thumping, looking down your nose at others and a lack of humility. I would never want to be called 'elitist', a good pilot yes, elitist no.
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Just to clarify, I was not calling Oldman elitist.
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I have no idea where I fit in :confused: it's all a matter of perspective.
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ever notice how the truly best players in the game dont have to keep telling everybody how good they are?
semp
+1
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...it's all a matter of perspective.
Yes, as is everything else.
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I cannot improve I have reached my ceiling :)
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I wish I got called a cheater as much as Shawk does, those pesky F4u's need to be perked - oh wait..
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I have no idea where I fit in :confused: it's all a matter of perspective.
just go back to making those videos puny one :neener:
:lol <S> dolby youre one of a kind :aok
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I like quality fights but couldnt care less how they turn out. In fact I couldnt care less how anything turns out, if I ever get better, if we win the map....anything. Not to say I dont do my best ; I just dont care what happens in silly computer games.
Actually this game is far better then most. Some of these games have total softballs in them. Like in BF3 I once joined a Military clan with a bunch of kids from the army in it. I lasted about 30 seconds cause they kept calling me by my last name and barking orders at me :rofl I told them I took this trip before they were even born and dont much care to listen to some 21yo "Major" telling me how to wipe my bum. For fracks sake I got a kid their age! Another clan had a guy who would freak everytime someone did something wrong. Him I wasnt so nice to. Another military clan actually requested me to send them a copy of my DD-214 to join. :lol Can you believe that? Only the PDs Ive been on have ever got copies of that.
So all in all this game is pretty mature. Each player finds a style and the others pretty much accept it. :salute
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I miss my noob days, wouldn't mind starting over. The game was 100x better to play alone then.
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elitism isn't about aspiring to be more. It's about condemning those you feel beneath you, instead.
This might be one of the scariest moments of my life... I actually agree with Krusty.
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I'm slumming it by posting in this thread.
You're welcome.
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Oldman,
Find a new word and the majority of players in this game will agree with you in spirit becasue personal growth and striving to improve oneself is a positive human trait. Otherwise it's being used to excuse the personal deficiencies this game magnifies to abuse other human beings in the anonymous protection of the Internet.
e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
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a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
You see the entitalment on display through the years of the same post where the elitists whine that the skilless noobs are using the "Samual Colt" manuver to kill them unfairly.
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Oldman,
Find a new word and the majority of players in this game will agree with you in spirit becasue personal growth and striving to improve oneself is a positive human trait. Otherwise it's being used to excuse the personal deficiencies this game magnifies to abuse other human beings in the anonymous protection of the Internet.
e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
You see the entitalment on display through the years of the same post where the elitists whine that the skilless noobs are using the "Samual Colt" manuver to kill them unfairly.
Well said Bustr, I can't add to that! That covers it best for us noobs! :salute
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Its always good to use a dictionary. Wanting to be a member of an elite group is not the same as believing in elitism. It is just a desire that reveals a shallowness of character that is indicative of an empty life.
snort
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I wish I got called a cheater as much as Shawk does, those pesky F4u's need to be perked - oh wait..
Butcher gets a lot of kills, therefor he must be a cheater, unfortunately my allegations are baseless so let's worry about evidence later and throw him in the justice shed for now.
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Oldman,
Find a new word and the majority of players in this game will agree with you in spirit becasue personal growth and striving to improve oneself is a positive human trait. Otherwise it's being used to excuse the personal deficiencies this game magnifies to abuse other human beings in the anonymous protection of the Internet.
e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, OR domination by such a group or class.
You see the entitalment on display through the years of the same post where the elitists whine that the skilless noobs are using the "Samual Colt" manuver to kill them unfairly.
Bustr,
I agree most folks have a dirty perception when the "E" word is used. I highligted that portion of Webster's (I am guessing) characterization that applies to Oldman and other groups that we PROUDLY call elite....... Army Rangers, Navy Seals, Mi5, Men in Black (.............. ooOOPS, I might have gone overboard, but I think you get my point).
I do not think the OP fully realize the concept of elitism, it is also often referred to as satanism. The core value of satanism is the rightful exploitation of the weaker and less gifted many, by the strong and intelligent few.
I do not believe the AH community is elitist, but a lot of players want to be the best. Some like to pretend they are, here on the forum or ingame. We all have different definitions of what it means to be "the best" though. You have to consider also that a lot of people here just want to have fun. What is considered fun is also very different from player to player.
So... I guess what I'm saying is, you can't generalize like that but sure... if you want to troll that's a open field to play on.
Anyhow, I bow to :devil Oldman :devil and chant "I am not worthy" on bended knee, at least 5 times a day. He is the farthest I could possibly imagine from a satanist, however I might have to check myself, purely on the basis of hero worship :neener:
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ever notice how the truly best players in the game dont have to keep telling everybody how good they are?
semp
Best reply ever :salute
+5
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You lot are nothing compared to the mighty zack!!!
Zack1234 Pwns. :airplane:
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Chillie,
In the world of internet gaming "Elitist" is a kinder word for "Narcasist".
Narcasism is an external trait of subclincal phycopathy which most used to grow out of by their mid to late 30's. The simplest place to observe it is Junior High and Senior High with the individuals identified as the "Cool Kids" or the "In-group". Or watch MTV, Nick Channel, disney channels latest singing metrosexuals and wannabe Lady GaGa's, or those youth shows like "Pretty Littel Liars", or all those reality shows with prono dressed bimbos and Jersey muscle thugs having live melt downs 7 nights a week.
Or all Thee Skillz In-group whining in these forums becasue a skillzless noob used the simple "Samual Colt" manuver to whizz on their years of manhood polishing in the DA.
I think Oldman needs to choose a far different word unless he be mistaken for a member of Thee Skillz dorks contributing to thier never ending whine about the skillzless......
Maybe we should start throwing them corndogs when they whine about the "Samual Colt" manuver. Anyone ever seen a "Dork Fish"??
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I do not strive to be elite!!
I just want to have fun in a game.. After all Isn't that what a game is all about or is my childhood upbringing all wrong?
just an opinion .
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Bustr,
Knowing Oldman rather well, I would have to say that he, himself does not proclaim this title, however it may have been red flagged upon him by another (if that is so, then folks are entitled to opinions).
The facts are that Oldman IS a very humble person who enjoys the same :joystick: things :airplane: as most of us playing this game surrounding WW2 aircraft. Having said that, I do believe that it is part of our social conscious that instinctively inspires us to achieve better than average performance.
Your point is taken about the word elite, but possibly it, as well as, other words like progressive or conservative have been given stereotypes that have been used to red flag arguments. I just find very positive conotations in each of those words.
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And who knew Oldman worshipped the Prince of Darkness? I didn't see that one coming.
Apparently you are not very observant. I have suspected him for years.
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Apparently you are not very observant. I have suspected him for years.
But he seems so nice. :(
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Bustr,
Knowing Oldman rather well, I would have to say that he, himself does not proclaim this title, however it may have been red flagged upon him by another (if that is so, then folks are entitled to opinions).
The facts are that Oldman IS a very humble person who enjoys the same :joystick: things :airplane: as most of us playing this game surrounding WW2 aircraft. Having said that, I do believe that it is part of our social conscious that instinctively inspires us to achieve better than average performance.
Your point is taken about the word elite, but possibly it, as well as, other words like progressive or conservative have been given stereotypes that have been used to red flag arguments. I just find very positive conotations in each of those words.
Chilli,
I've known Oldman off and on for years. He is always an example of a gentelman and good sportsmanship.
Trying to salvage the oldest and correct usage of a word thats been hijacked and gooberfied by dorks in a kids game dominated by narcasists only derserves corndogs thrown at it. It's time to change the language and make this everyone's game.
Watch....from this point on the dorks will put on a fine show of garbage trolling to defend their whining and ownership of the of the terms of the forum's language. They will be easy to spot. It won't be the players who cause the dorks to whine becasue of using the "Samual Colt" equaliser manuver.
Pull up a lawn chair and a bucket of corn dogs.
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But he seems so nice. :(
Exactly, it is not normal.
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I think this settles it...
(http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh600/assi2929/ahss13.jpg)
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Pull up a lawn chair and a bucket of corn dogs.
corn dogs are good beer food, can't waste food....
Save a corn dog and throw ping-pong balls instead! :aok
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I think this settles it...
(http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh600/assi2929/ahss13.jpg)
Careful, bustr is going to bombard you with talking points and catch phrases.
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Elitisim in this game is more a need to project an image of being elite to those they consider to be not elite. this means who you hang with and your attitude, its all a load of balls, like talking a good fight and the communitys perception of them, on the bbs and in game. Quite a few of the elite could not fight their way out of a wet paper bag!! :-)
Some of what I regard as elite over the years are no namers I met in the ta or mw by no namers I mean not someone who is generally known by having a crowd of flunkys posting 24 7 on the bbs :-) they dont need or want a group of grown men talking about how good they are they already know that...lol
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-isms are bad.
I used to play Elite, never Elite II though, never got it to work; by III do you mean Frontier- First Encounters? (wait... am I being elitist now?) Now I play Oolite :joystick:
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Yawn........... :noid
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Trying to salvage the oldest and correct usage of a word thats been hijacked and gooberfied by dorks in a kids game dominated by narcasists only derserves corndogs thrown at it.
So I see. Good thing I like corndogs, I'm standing in a pile of them now. Well, I'm the one who started the thread.
- oldman (off to draw a few pentagrams)
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So I see. Good thing I like corndogs, I'm standing in a pile of them now. Well, I'm the one who started the thread.
- oldman (off to draw a few pentagrams)
Oh go damn some souls or something.
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-isms are bad.
M-kay!
(http://www.weirdspace.dk/SouthPark/Graphics/Mackey.gif)
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M-kay!
(http://www.weirdspace.dk/SouthPark/Graphics/Mackey.gif)
You won the Picture-post of the month award.
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ever notice how the truly best players in the game dont have to keep telling everybody how good they are?
semp
:aok :salute
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For anyone who's been to college....there is a thing called social stratification...it, basically, describes the natural phenomenon in societies that there are always "classes" of people. Those who throw around the word "Elitism" generally are trying to put down others for achieving more than, or being better at something, than they are. It's a result of the "green monster". It's also used against those who hold a moral or ethical high ground. It's used against those who oppose HOing, picking or other things in life that while they are not illegal, they are ABSOLUTELY unethical. They are unfortunately usually more successful in life, because they don't live by normally accepted ethics. Their usual response in AH is "well, it happened in real life", or "quit whining". In real life one hears, "I didn't do anything illegal". They are incorrigible, they have little or no conscience and judge the right or wrong of their actions by the outcome for THEM. If you're called an "ELITIST' in this game, BE PROUD of it. It probably means you're doing something right!
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Elitisim in this game is more a need to project an image of being elite to those they consider to be not elite. this means who you hang with and your attitude, its all a load of balls, like talking a good fight and the communitys perception of them, on the bbs and in game. Quite a few of the elite could not fight their way out of a wet paper bag!! :-)
Some of what I regard as elite over the years are no namers I met in the ta or mw by no namers I mean not someone who is generally known by having a crowd of flunkys posting 24 7 on the bbs :-) they dont need or want a group of grown men talking about how good they are they already know that...lol
So what are you saying Perv I am the best in the game on every level?
I love you Perv :)
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Wait... whose armchair psychobabble are we supposed to be believing again?
Being good is one thing. Being good and loud about it is another.
Wiley.
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There's lots of "elitists" in Aces High; just very few good sticks.
My words of wisdom for the day. :D
Regards, Odd
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I'll never be elite :cry not the way I shoot.
But may I have a weekend pass to the leet club, I hear the food's pretty good and they have real ales. :pray
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I'm an Emiltist :aok
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Wait... whose armchair psychobabble are we supposed to be believing again?
Being good is one thing. Being good and loud about it is another.
Wiley.
(http://www.pammarketingnut.com/wp-content/uploads/iStock_000014250706XSmall.jpg)
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I'm an Emiltist :aok
Massive :salute
But I dunno... I like the 109-F4 so much... It's like the F-16 of WW2 hehe
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Wait... whose armchair psychobabble are we supposed to be believing again?
Being good is one thing. Being good and loud about it is another.
Wiley.
:aok What he said
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Massive :salute
But I dunno... I like the 109-F4 so much... It's like the F-16 of WW2 hehe
Both the Emil and Freidrich are fantastic aircraft.
So good they feture in many of my films
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Up there the world is divided into bastards and suckers. Make your choice.
— Derek Robinson, Piece of Cake, 1983.
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I treat my enemy with contempt until they earn my respect.
I am accused of being self righteous, and they are perfectly correct. I got a lot of trouble in school for disrespecting authority, yet was a "golden boy" at my JROTC unit.
Why? The teachers treated us with contempt and assumed superiority. While my Commanding Officer at JROTC was a veteran of Vietnam and a Cadet Commander of 25 years.
My respect is Earned not Assumed.
That is the attitude I take with people in game. They have to show they are "worthy" of my respect.
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For anyone who's been to college....there is a thing called social stratification...it, basically, describes the natural phenomenon in societies that there are always "classes" of people. Those who throw around the word "Elitism" generally are trying to put down others for achieving more than, or being better at something, than they are. It's a result of the "green monster".
Lame elitist generalization.
The criticism of elitism is not the same as a criticism of merit. Reverse snobbery aside, what most peasants like me mean by elitism is an antidemocratic ism where membership in an elite class confers benefits and advantages that are denied to the rest. Examples would include Communist Party members in China, Plutocrats in Russia, Cool Kids in High School. I would argue that elites in this context will always believe that their status is right and justified. Whether the argument is that they earned their position or that it comes down through the generations from heaven, I believe it is always nothing more than a convenient rationalization for retaining power regardless of fairness or even the long term best interests of the class members.
This is meant to be political but I suppose somebody might take it that way. Apologies. At least I didn't mention Hitl....damn.
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That is the attitude I take with people in game. They have to show they are "worthy" of my respect.
But really, how can you respect anybody playing a cartoon air combat game? And paying 15 dollars a month to do so?
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Big words do not justify a man's knowledge. Webster is free to all.
Coogan
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I spend all week trying to make people, as good or better then me. If a student of mine shoots me down, that means I did a good job :aok So in essence I try to make all my students more elite then me. So If I succeed with everyone, I can't be elite :uhoh :cry
Seriously though, Elitism is going to mean different things to different people in this game. Most of the time it has a negative context when brought up here. But I can also see it as something to aspire to. I can remember way back, thinking of some of those on here or were here, as being elite pilots from what I saw on the boards. Some lived up to their reputations, some fell way short. I always worked at being better then those that could back up their reputations. There's nothing wrong in wanting to be better at this game, as long as it doesn't effect more important things. Wanting to be better is one of my hiring requirements for VF-17 :D
:salute
BigRat
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I spend all week trying to make people, as good or better then me. If a student of mine shoots me down, that means I did a good job :aok So in essence I try to make all my students more elite then me. So If I succeed with everyone, I can't be elite :uhoh :cry
Seriously though, Elitism is going to mean different things to different people in this game. Most of the time it has a negative context when brought up here. But I can also see it as something to aspire to. I can remember way back, thinking of some of those on here or were here, as being elite pilots from what I saw on the boards. Some lived up to their reputations, some fell way short. I always worked at being better then those that could back up their reputations. There's nothing wrong in wanting to be better at this game, as long as it doesn't effect more important things. Wanting to be better is one of my hiring requirements for VF-17 :D
:salute
BigRat
I think there's a big difference between being "elite", and being an "elitist".
While I'd see being labeled as "elite" as a positive, I'd consider being labeled as an "elitist" a definite negative (as I would if I were accused of elitism) with rare exception.
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pies :rofl
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Humble pies....
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30 Days in the Hole (By Humble Pie)
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Isn't the hole the pie?
Oh that's right. It's the cherry.
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How about this one?
A man....... walks.... into......
a bar.......
The ..... second....... man..... ducks....
How was the speed on that one? :cheers:
(http://www.schiesshouse.com/a-guy-walks-into-a-bar.jpg)
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I think there's a big difference between being "elite", and being an "elitist".
While I'd see being labeled as "elite" as a positive, I'd consider being labeled as an "elitist" a definite negative (as I would if I were accused of elitism) with rare exception.
^^This
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I treat my enemy with contempt until they earn my respect.
I am accused of being self righteous, and they are perfectly correct. I got a lot of trouble in school for disrespecting authority, yet was a "golden boy" at my JROTC unit.
Why? The teachers treated us with contempt and assumed superiority. While my Commanding Officer at JROTC was a veteran of Vietnam and a Cadet Commander of 25 years.
My respect is Earned not Assumed.
That is the attitude I take with people in game. They have to show they are "worthy" of my respect.
Sooo, you disrespect them until they earn your respect? If that's what you're saying, you neither deserve or have the right to expect respect. It's a two way street. No one is impressed with anyone immediately. If you assume you are inherently superior to people around you, you are dead wrong. There is nothing brave, courageous, or "John Wayne" in your attitude. I'm positive, your commander demanded your respect from the beginning, you didn't have the option to disrespect him & you knew it. It was not optional. That was the real difference. Your teacher have been de-fanged by the liberals. They can't even paddle a smart-arses behind when he needs it. You had no respect because you were not required to respect them by any rules of society, because basically, there are none...not really. You can push a teacher much much farther now and suffer very little risk of punishment, but that's the teachers fault? BS!! Plain & Simple!!! :old:
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Sooo, you disrespect them until they earn your respect? If that's what you're saying, you neither deserve or have the right to expect respect. It's a two way street. No one is impressed with anyone immediately. If you assume you are inherently superior to people around you, you are dead wrong. There is nothing brave, courageous, or "John Wayne" in your attitude. I'm positive, your commander demanded your respect from the beginning, you didn't have the option to disrespect him & you knew it. It was not optional. That was the real difference. Your teacher have been de-fanged by the liberals. They can't even paddle a smart-arses behind when he needs it. You had no respect because you were not required to respect them by any rules of society, because basically, there are none...not really. You can push a teacher much much farther now and suffer very little risk of punishment, but that's the teachers fault? BS!! Plain & Simple!!! :old:
Bolded for truth. It's that mentality in this generation. They've all lost their minds. They think they're hot $#!t until they're in a hot spot and then they ARE hot $#!t. ie in a hot spot and about as useful.
I treat EVERYONE with equal respect until they give me a reason to not respect them.
Why? Because there's no need to be a pompous arse just because someone didn't blow through 300 million jihadist/VC/Huns/Nazis/Japs etc.
The teachers you decide to disrespect just might have done some of the stuff your "CO" did. Just because they don't live the military life forever doesn't mean they didn't do it.
Hell I know an 0311 (Infantry) Marine who is an English teacher now. You'd never even know that he was in Fallujah. He never mentions it, doesn't keep the high-n-tight, and isn't all "Murder, death, kill, eat babies!". (BTW - that's my old platoon's motto haha).
If I was your CO and I knew you had that attitude, I would have made you regret joining the JROTC. I would have made you want to go home every night and ask your mom WHY she decided to let you be born. Why? Because you don't deserve the ability to respect yourself if you can't respect others.
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I treat my enemy with contempt until they earn my respect.
I am accused of being self righteous, and they are perfectly correct. I got a lot of trouble in school for disrespecting authority, yet was a "golden boy" at my JROTC unit.
Why? The teachers treated us with contempt and assumed superiority. While my Commanding Officer at JROTC was a veteran of Vietnam and a Cadet Commander of 25 years.
My respect is Earned not Assumed.
That is the attitude I take with people in game. They have to show they are "worthy" of my respect.
The words of a boy.
Sooo, you disrespect them until they earn your respect? If that's what you're saying, you neither deserve or have the right to expect respect.
I treat EVERYONE with equal respect until they give me a reason to not respect them.
The words of men.
A wide gulf of maturity wisdom and experiance seperates the two.
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Bolded for truth. It's that mentality in this generation. They've all lost their minds. They think they're hot $#!t until they're in a hot spot and then they ARE hot $#!t. ie in a hot spot and about as useful.
I treat EVERYONE with equal respect until they give me a reason to not respect them.
Why? Because there's no need to be a pompous arse just because someone didn't blow through 300 million jihadist/VC/Huns/Nazis/Japs etc.
The teachers you decide to disrespect just might have done some of the stuff your "CO" did. Just because they don't live the military life forever doesn't mean they didn't do it.
Hell I know an 0311 (Infantry) Marine who is an English teacher now. You'd never even know that he was in Fallujah. He never mentions it, doesn't keep the high-n-tight, and isn't all "Murder, death, kill, eat babies!". (BTW - that's my old platoon's motto haha).
If I was your CO and I knew you had that attitude, I would have made you regret joining the JROTC. I would have made you want to go home every night and ask your mom WHY she decided to let you be born. Why? Because you don't deserve the ability to respect yourself if you can't respect others.
Oh I could not have said it better if I even wanted!
All the Best...
Jay
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A wide gulf of maturity wisdom and experiance seperates the two.
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hehe I just realized something....We can all gree that Plawranc's attitude is that of a dick right?
Well...there's a quote from a thread that I'm sure most of us remember...
"The rules of Aces High are simple. Don't be a dick."
Am I the only one that finds that kind of funny? :lol
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hehe I just realized something....We can all gree that Plawranc's attitude is that of a dick right?
Well...there's a quote from a thread that I'm sure most of us remember...
"The rules of Aces High are simple. Don't be a dick."
Am I the only one that finds that kind of funny? :lol
So because you don't agree with his opinion he's wrong and you are right?
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So because you don't agree with his opinion he's wrong and you are right?
Pretty much Butcher...In societies we do this all the time. Weed is illegal in most states. Get caught with it you go to jail. Some places you only get a ticket. Even states that allow it are harrased by the Feds because they don't like losing power to control what we can/can't do. Used to be Criminal to be gay & in the military. Lots of young men went to military prisons/dishonorable discharged, etc... so right now if the majority think he's a dork, then yes he is & yes we're right & he's wrong...at least for now. :old:
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Pretty much Butcher...In societies we do this all the time. Weed is illegal in most states. Get caught with it you go to jail. Some places you only get a ticket. Even states that allow it are harrased by the Feds because they don't like losing power to control what we can/can't do. Used to be Criminal to be gay & in the military. Lots of young men went to military prisons/dishonorable discharged, etc... so right now if the majority think he's a dork, then yes he is & yes we're right & he's wrong...at least for now. :old:
Vegetarians are evil, however it just means more beef for me:)
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So because you don't agree with his opinion he's wrong and you are right?
That is one piss-poor ASSumption.
I personally see people who are "F**k you, I don't respect you. You ain't done S**t for me to recognize a reason to respect you." as dicks.
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Do I think it's wrong that every person must do something above and beyond to earn the mutual respect of someone else? Yes. Apparently a lot of other people agree.
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Respect until given a firm reason to disrespect...then do as your little heart dictates to ya! That's what the Duke did. I love one of his movie quotes. "...I don't do these things to others, & I require the same of them". :salute :old:
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The teachers you decide to disrespect just might have done some of the stuff your "CO" did. Just because they don't live the military life forever doesn't mean they didn't do it.
So this implys that if you didn't lead "the military life" you don't deserve respect. Really not much better a philosophy than the person you're quoting.
I have a great deal of respect for a great many people whether they lived "the military life" or not.
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So this implys that if you didn't lead "the military life" you don't deserve respect. Really not much better a philosophy than the person you're quoting.
I have a great deal of respect for a great many people whether they lived "the military life" or not.
*sigh* You OBVIOUSLY didn't read the entire thing....or I pray you didn't.
He said he respected his CO because he was a 'nam vet with a purple heart. I used the SAME analogy to prove WHY he shouldn't disrespect a teacher because (as far as HE knows) they didn't serve.
If you would have taken some initiative and read my posts you would have seen that I respect all people equally until they give me a reason to not respect them.
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Why do people come on forums and not read the whole thread they want to reply to? Is that not what forums are for???? Or am I being mislead? :bhead
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Alright. I think I have been misunderstood.
My respect is earned in the sense that you cannot just walk up and say "respect me because I say so". I disliked this particular teacher because of his condescending tone, he spoke down to us and assumed superiority, I don't like that at all. I will respect authority when the authority respects "us".
My CO was a Nam Vet. And did his part. I respect him for that. He had done something for everyone. Now I have respect for a lot of people who aren't in the Military, some of them Teachers. But when people "assume" superiority, and "demand" respect. I loathe and detest it.
I follow the policy of "don't be a dick" in the sense that I don't start trouble with anyone unless they start first. Im friendly with everyone unless they show hostility.
I am polite, but respect is earned.
P.S. (@ Shifty)
yes the words of a boy, considering the age gap between me and the majority of this forum is an average of about thirty years.
(@ Wzl)
He wasn't the CO originally he was the FSGT (SSGT) when I joined, he took command when our service CO got deployed to Afghanistan. There is a whole different story behind the Cadets in our unit having misgivings about the Staff and Command structure and so forth. But our CO was and is a good man. And while I respect any and all holders of superior rank on principle, he earned my personal respect. I guess there is a difference.
I don't pretend to know anything about this world we live in. I have been in it one fifth of most of the people here on this board. But I say what I think, if you have a problem , direct your complaints to me, without snide comments.
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*sigh* You OBVIOUSLY didn't read the entire thing....or I pray you didn't.
He said he respected his CO because he was a 'nam vet with a purple heart. I used the SAME analogy to prove WHY he shouldn't disrespect a teacher because (as far as HE knows) they didn't serve.
No. I did read the entire post and it seemed to me it was stated in a way the made military service a prerequisite for respect. Even in your second line above it still comes off that way.
Maybe instead you should have encouraged him to have respect for his teacher simply for being a good person and teaching hundreds of youngsters to be better citizens while self-sacrificing a potentially higher income in private industry. It would have made your point clearer.
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There is a degree of respect every human deals with it follows the moral compass, in respect everyone is different. In the Southern USA we were born to respect all regardless of color or background, you respect firefighters, police officers and teachers. What society calls "Noble" positions, a Veteran would be one of those positions that took a very long time to garnish respect - after world war 2 there was no doubt soldiers were respected, it declined over the 60s and 70s, where soldiers were simply disrespected period. There are some notable anti war movies in the 70s and 80s, however in the last decade or so its been turning around big time.
Where you brand the person a hero or not is in the state of mind, some will view soldiers as heroes others will simply view in the complete opposite. Take the milgram experiment for example, it was a social psychology experiment to test a persons moral compass/conscience. The experiment was quite simple as a person
would admin a test to a "subject" by having the subject answer questions - if they were wrong they would be given an electric shock. People would routinely admin higher shocks even though the "subject" would scream in horror, until four verbal commands were said.
I believe its impossible to fairly treat everyone equal as society doesn't lean on it, we follow each other in a straight line and if someone cuts in that line they will anger the crowd. Society taught us to respect all elders, regardless of age and to try to keep a good moral compass.
Why is it some folks choose to berate others in a video game? After all it is a video game.
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Alright. I think I have been misunderstood.
My respect is earned in the sense that you cannot just walk up and say "respect me because I say so". I disliked this particular teacher because of his condescending tone, he spoke down to us and assumed superiority, I don't like that at all. I will respect authority when the authority respects "us".
My CO was a Nam Vet. And did his part. I respect him for that. He had done something for everyone. Now I have respect for a lot of people who aren't in the Military, some of them Teachers. But when people "assume" superiority, and "demand" respect. I loathe and detest it.
I follow the policy of "don't be a dick" in the sense that I don't start trouble with anyone unless they start first. Im friendly with everyone unless they show hostility.
I am polite, but respect is earned.
P.S. (@ Shifty)
yes the words of a boy, considering the age gap between me and the majority of this forum is an average of about thirty years.
(@ Wzl)
He wasn't the CO originally he was the FSGT (SSGT) when I joined, he took command when our service CO got deployed to Afghanistan. There is a whole different story behind the Cadets in our unit having misgivings about the Staff and Command structure and so forth. But our CO was and is a good man. And while I respect any and all holders of superior rank on principle, he earned my personal respect. I guess there is a difference.
I don't pretend to know anything about this world we live in. I have been in it one fifth of most of the people here on this board. But I say what I think, if you have a problem , direct your complaints to me, without snide comments.
ever think the teacher is tired of seeing a thousand kids act just like you? you respect people in authority because that's what you are supposed to do. you dont have to like them or be drinking buddys but respect must be there. the teacher maybe a dick, i had those, then again I respected them because they were my teachers, and because that's what I do. specially one that has my grades in his hands. you are young and sooner or later you will learn to pick your fights, disrespecting teachers is not one of them. if he's a child molester or an abuser either verbally or physically then bring it up. if you are correct there will be others who soon will follow and he/she deserves to be kicked out. but if you want to be a dick just because he/she is, then you are in trouble.
I dont go fighting with the police just because one is a dick. as it will get me in trouble either jail or ticket. like I said before learn to pick your fights, fighting with your teacher is not one of them anyway you put it.
when you join the military if you ever do. you are gonna learn pretty soon that there's lots of people in command who dont deserve respect, but it must be given as they are in a position of authority over you. you dont have to like them but you must respect them. remember the rule you respect the uniform, not the man/woman. you respect the position the teacher has, not the teacher him/herself.
semp
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So this implys that if you didn't lead "the military life" you don't deserve respect. Really not much better a philosophy than the person you're quoting.
I have a great deal of respect for a great many people whether they lived "the military life" or not.
-10 That's a big leap. I didn't read it that way. :rolleyes:
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Alright. I think I have been misunderstood.
My respect is earned in the sense that you cannot just walk up and say "respect me because I say so". I disliked this particular teacher because of his condescending tone, he spoke down to us and assumed superiority, I don't like that at all. I will respect authority when the authority respects "us".
My CO was a Nam Vet. And did his part. I respect him for that. He had done something for everyone. Now I have respect for a lot of people who aren't in the Military, some of them Teachers. But when people "assume" superiority, and "demand" respect. I loathe and detest it.
I follow the policy of "don't be a dick" in the sense that I don't start trouble with anyone unless they start first. Im friendly with everyone unless they show hostility.
I am polite, but respect is earned.
P.S. (@ Shifty)
yes the words of a boy, considering the age gap between me and the majority of this forum is an average of about thirty years.
(@ Wzl)
He wasn't the CO originally he was the FSGT (SSGT) when I joined, he took command when our service CO got deployed to Afghanistan. There is a whole different story behind the Cadets in our unit having misgivings about the Staff and Command structure and so forth. But our CO was and is a good man. And while I respect any and all holders of superior rank on principle, he earned my personal respect. I guess there is a difference.
I don't pretend to know anything about this world we live in. I have been in it one fifth of most of the people here on this board. But I say what I think, if you have a problem , direct your complaints to me, without snide comments.
Sounds like you were talking about mutual respect. You just missed it and caused people to misunderstand you because you sounded angry & arrogant in your tone. It's difficult to fully interpret peoples intentions on here because of a lack of facial expression & gestures. Often in writing we need more clarifications to communicate effectively. :salute
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"I'm all for aspiring to be better/best/god" I'm good with just being OK!!!!
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elitism isn't about aspiring to be more. It's about condemning those you feel beneath you, instead.
Inspire all the threads you want. I'm all for aspiring to be better/best/god. However, that's not what elitist commentary is about.
Damn hate to say it . I think Krusty is right .
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Why is it some folks choose to berate others in a video game? After all it is a video game.
This speaks volumes.
I jumped to the same conclusion about Plawranc as Marineus and others until he clarified his stance. They addressed his comments because he seemed crude and disrespectful to others. Since they are part of that population, they had every right to assume that his disrespect was directed at them as well, hence the somewhat cold yet correct comments.
Your "it is a video game" comment suggests you approved of the behavior we all thought he was speaking of.
Respect should be earned, but in some cases it comes with a position of authority.
Common courtesy is deserved until proven otherwise.
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Respect should be earned, but in some cases it comes with a position of authority.
Common courtesy is deserved until proven otherwise
What more needs to be said? :)
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What more needs to be said? :)
Something about breasts and alcoholic beverages, vehicles which travel at high speed, and a place to take a dump with a door on it...
I think that about covers it...
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:rofl
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Something about breasts and alcoholic beverages, vehicles which travel at high speed, and a place to take a dump with a door on it...
I think that about covers it...
Never heard of a place to dump with doors you city slickers has funny ways .
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Never heard of a place to dump with doors you city slickers has funny ways .
It's everything you hope it will be, my friend.
YOUR DAY WILL COME!
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Its really a case of understanding the difference between
"Official Respect"
and "Personal Respect".
That said both have to be mutual unless, as members of this board have already said a million and one times, you are given a reason not to respect that authority or person.
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I agree with Plawranc.
All others are wrong.
:aok
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I agree with Plawranc.
All others are wrong.
:aok
But your name is "Bone" which could be added to "Head"... :aok
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But your name is "Bone" which could be added to "Head"... :aok
That's DOCTOR BoneHEAD to you, sirah.
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The USA was founded on the principle that everyone is entitled to say and think what they wish.
Its amazing how many of its people seem to have forgotten this principle.
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The USA was founded on the principle that everyone is entitled to say and think what they wish.
Its amazing how many of its people seem to have forgotten this principle.
http://news.yahoo.com/mass-town-oks-20-fines-swearing-public-033025166.html
Mass. town OKs $20 fines for swearing in public
MIDDLEBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) — Residents in Middleborough voted Monday night to make the foul-mouthed pay fines for swearing in public.
At a town meeting, residents voted 183-50 to approve a proposal from the police chief to impose a $20 fine on public profanity.
Officials insist the proposal was not intended to censor casual or private conversations, but instead to crack down on loud, profanity-laden language used by teens and other young people in the downtown area and public parks.
I'm really happy about it," Mimi Duphily, a store owner and former town selectwoman, said after the vote. "I'm sure there's going to be some fallout, but I think what we did was necessary."
Duphily, who runs an auto parts store, is among the downtown merchants who wanted take a stand against the kind of swearing that can make customers uncomfortable.
"They'll sit on the bench and yell back and forth to each other with the foulest language. It's just so inappropriate," she said.
The measure could raise questions about First Amendment rights, but state law does allow towns to enforce local laws that give police the power to arrest anyone who "addresses another person with profane or obscene language" in a public place.
Matthew Segal, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts, said the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot prohibit public speech just because it contains profanity.
The ordinance gives police discretion over whether to ticket someone if they believe the cursing ban has been violated.
[Related: Many teen books feature R-rated language]
Middleborough, a town of about 20,000 residents perhaps best known for its rich cranberry bogs, has had a bylaw against public profanity since 1968. But because that bylaw essentially makes cursing a crime, it has rarely if ever been enforced, officials said, because it simply would not merit the time and expense to pursue a case through the courts.
The ordinance would decriminalize public profanity, allowing police to write tickets as they would for a traffic violation. It would also decriminalize certain types of disorderly conduct, public drinking and marijuana use, and dumping snow on a roadway.
Segal praised Middleborough for reconsidering its bylaw against public profanity, but said fining people for it isn't much better.
"Police officers who never enforced the bylaw might be tempted to issue these fines, and people might end up getting fined for constitutionally protected speech," he said.
Another local merchant, Robert Saquet, described himself as "ambivalent" about the no-swearing proposal, likening it to try to enforce a ban on the seven dirty words of George Carlin, a nod to a famous sketch by the late comedian.
"In view of words commonly used in movies and cable TV, it's kind of hard to define exactly what is obscene," said Paquet, who owns a downtown furniture store.
But Duphily said, "I don't care what you do in private. It's in public what bothers me."
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Mass. town OKs $20 fines for swearing in public
We'll see how long that lasts.
- oldman
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If you did that in Australia... There would be more revenue in fines than in taxes.
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http://news.yahoo.com/mass-town-oks-20-fines-swearing-public-033025166.html
Mass. town OKs $20 fines for swearing in public
MIDDLEBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) — Residents in Middleborough voted Monday night to make the foul-mouthed pay fines for swearing in public.
At a town meeting, residents voted 183-50 to approve a proposal from the police chief to impose a $20 fine on public profanity.
Officials insist the proposal was not intended to censor casual or private conversations, but instead to crack down on loud, profanity-laden language used by teens and other young people in the downtown area and public parks.
I'm really happy about it," Mimi Duphily, a store owner and former town selectwoman, said after the vote. "I'm sure there's going to be some fallout, but I think what we did was necessary."
Duphily, who runs an auto parts store, is among the downtown merchants who wanted take a stand against the kind of swearing that can make customers uncomfortable.
"They'll sit on the bench and yell back and forth to each other with the foulest language. It's just so inappropriate," she said.
The measure could raise questions about First Amendment rights, but state law does allow towns to enforce local laws that give police the power to arrest anyone who "addresses another person with profane or obscene language" in a public place.
Matthew Segal, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts, said the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot prohibit public speech just because it contains profanity.
The ordinance gives police discretion over whether to ticket someone if they believe the cursing ban has been violated.
[Related: Many teen books feature R-rated language]
Middleborough, a town of about 20,000 residents perhaps best known for its rich cranberry bogs, has had a bylaw against public profanity since 1968. But because that bylaw essentially makes cursing a crime, it has rarely if ever been enforced, officials said, because it simply would not merit the time and expense to pursue a case through the courts.
The ordinance would decriminalize public profanity, allowing police to write tickets as they would for a traffic violation. It would also decriminalize certain types of disorderly conduct, public drinking and marijuana use, and dumping snow on a roadway.
Segal praised Middleborough for reconsidering its bylaw against public profanity, but said fining people for it isn't much better.
"Police officers who never enforced the bylaw might be tempted to issue these fines, and people might end up getting fined for constitutionally protected speech," he said.
Another local merchant, Robert Saquet, described himself as "ambivalent" about the no-swearing proposal, likening it to try to enforce a ban on the seven dirty words of George Carlin, a nod to a famous sketch by the late comedian.
"In view of words commonly used in movies and cable TV, it's kind of hard to define exactly what is obscene," said Paquet, who owns a downtown furniture store.
But Duphily said, "I don't care what you do in private. It's in public what bothers me."
Is this suppose to be your point of the arguement? Because its lacking very bad.
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Fluck me.....
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Reminds me of the little town down here in Texas that was going to fine $500 if they caught someone using the N word.
Well there was a huge outcry against it be black folks. Seems they thought they should not be fined when they use it as a friendly greeting. In the end it was decided to not make that a finable offense.
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Is this suppose to be your point of the arguement? Because its lacking very bad.
.....faith in common sense down 1 point. :bhead
He mentioned the first amendment, and just for kicks I shared a recent news article....
:bhead
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I made an elite .gif for this elite post.
(http://www.80hd.net:8123/images/gv.gif)
Well.... it'll be eliter if I animate it.
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Fluck me.....
Now or later?
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Now or later?
:eek:
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:eek:
Sarcasm :) :rofl
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Sarcasm :) :rofl
call it what you want.... but where I am from that's called pervertism....... :uhoh
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call it what you want.... but where I am from that's called pervertism....... :uhoh
:rofl
:rofl
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:huh :bolt: