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Title: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: smoe on July 01, 2012, 05:20:23 PM
I love the F4U-4 and would like to use it more often. I propose unperking (or reducing the perks) when taking off of a cv only. This way I'll have something to counter the LA7's. However, I am not recommending to unperk the -4 when lifting off a land based field.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Butcher on July 01, 2012, 05:21:56 PM
I love the F4U-4 and would like to use it more often. I propose unperking (or reducing the perks) when taking off of a cv only. This way I'll have something to counter the LA7's. However, I am not recommending to unperk the -4 when lifting off a land based field.

Umm no, CV or land makes no difference the plane is still the same.
-1
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: shiv on July 01, 2012, 05:25:08 PM
-1. It's too good to be unperked.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: titanic3 on July 01, 2012, 05:25:38 PM
This way I'll have something to counter the LA7's.

Another La-7 or a K4 works just fine.

Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Karnak on July 01, 2012, 06:00:27 PM
No.  The F4U-4 is the most potent piston engined fighter in the game, far better than the F4U-1C, Tempest Mk V and Spitfire Mk XIV.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Lusche on July 01, 2012, 06:02:14 PM
No.  The F4U-4 is the most potent piston engined fighter in the game, far better than the F4U-1C, Tempest Mk V and Spitfire Mk XIV.

must... resist... urge to hijack  :uhoh
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Tank-Ace on July 01, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
No.  The F4U-4 is the most potent piston engined fighter in the game, far better than the F4U-1C, Tempest Mk V and Spitfire Mk XIV.

Arguable, but whatever.



If you really want something to counter enemy Lala's, then just do what I did when I felt like messing around with defenders, or just really wanted to fly a 109 in a carrier fight: Ferry over a 109K, or something like that over to the CV, park, apply breaks and kill engine, and go afk for 5-10 until the mission you're planning on helping is ready.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Mitsu on July 01, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
It's outstanding fighter with very powerful engine and still easy turner.

-1
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 02, 2012, 12:24:04 AM
The F4U-4 is not to be underestimated.  It has far more capability than most give it credit for.  Top speed is not the only attribute it has.  It truly is probably the best fighter in the game.  It is perked for a reason.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: AceHavok on July 02, 2012, 12:46:18 AM
If you un-perk F4U-4 it would probably be used far more than the P-51D.   :bolt:
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Debrody on July 02, 2012, 01:15:59 AM
f4u4 unperked = welcome to the UFO4u4 arena...  you can already see dozens of them in one place when the jokers are vulching...   lol!
the K4 works fine enough against La7s, also gives you a load of perks    //hint, hint     :)
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: save on July 02, 2012, 03:47:04 AM
we can perk the f4u4 , if the 262 gets unperked   :bolt:
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: danny76 on July 02, 2012, 06:13:30 AM
Unperk the whole plane set. I get killed by I16 as easily as by 262's and Tiffs.
Seriously dont see point of perking. other than to give the uberiest sticks the uberiest rides, and to keep the riff raff from all upping 262's :joystick: :airplane:
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: ink on July 02, 2012, 06:19:08 AM
I say give every plane a perk price :aok

Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Lusche on July 02, 2012, 06:20:08 AM
Seriously dont see point of perking.

Keeping the main from becoming a 90% Me 262 / Tempest arena?

And if the I-16 poses the same threat to you as those ^^ two, you are in need of some serious training  :P
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: danny76 on July 02, 2012, 06:25:21 AM
Keeping the main from becoming a 90% Me 262 / Tempest arena?

Unperk the whole plane set. I get killed by I16 as easily as by 262's and Tiffs.
Seriously dont see point of perking. other than to give the uberiest sticks the uberiest rides, and to keep the riff raff from all upping 262's :joystick: :airplane:

And if the I-16 poses the same threat to you as those ^^ two, you are in need of some serious training  :P

No amount of training can offset the drag of world class suckage :cry
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: ink on July 02, 2012, 06:32:45 AM
And if the I-16 poses the same threat to you as those ^^ two, you are in need of some serious training  :P


No amount of training can offset the drag of world class suckage :cry

don't sell yourself short....with this mindset that's all it will ever be.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: morfiend on July 02, 2012, 06:36:50 AM
 If any of you were around when the Chog was unperked you'd know why both it and the 4hog are perked.The way people whine about the spit16 now would be nothing compared to what we'd hear if something like unperking the 4hog happened.

    Now if someone suggested a perk holiday,1 day a tour when perk planes were free then maybe I could get behind that idea,sort of like titanic tuesdays.

   Ink, perking every plane would be fine for someone like you or I but then HTC would have to offer X amount of perks for both 2 weekers and new subs. I've thought of this before but just couldnt come up with a fair way to implement it.



    :salute
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Noir on July 02, 2012, 06:45:32 AM
-1
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: ink on July 02, 2012, 06:56:17 AM
If any of you were around when the Chog was unperked you'd know why both it and the 4hog are perked.The way people whine about the spit16 now would be nothing compared to what we'd hear if something like unperking the 4hog happened.

    Now if someone suggested a perk holiday,1 day a tour when perk planes were free then maybe I could get behind that idea,sort of like titanic tuesdays.

   Ink, perking every plane would be fine for someone like you or I but then HTC would have to offer X amount of perks for both 2 weekers and new subs. I've thought of this before but just couldnt come up with a fair way to implement it.



    :salute

best way would be to create an arena that had AI missions.......go on the mission earn perks, complete the required tasks earn more.....

don't ever see it happening, but think it would be a good way to get new peeps to learn the game a bit easier.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: morfiend on July 02, 2012, 07:11:57 AM
best way would be to create an arena that had AI missions.......go on the mission earn perks, complete the required tasks earn more.....

don't ever see it happening, but think it would be a good way to get new peeps to learn the game a bit easier.

  Interesting idea,I've seen similar things in other games were you had to complete a training course in order to play online.

  The other thing to consider would be the whole eny. and obj. ratings for all the planes and GV's would need to be revamped not to mention what would happen if a player ran out of perks to use.

  Like I said I've thought about this before and it became a complex exersize in futility! :devil




    :salute

  PS: still think the perk holiday might spice things up!
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Slade on July 02, 2012, 07:34:35 AM
Quote
Keeping the main from becoming a 90% Me 262 / Tempest arena

Perking is not perfect but I agree with the above quote.

-1 on unperking the F4u-4
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: ink on July 02, 2012, 10:16:07 AM
  Interesting idea,I've seen similar things in other games were you had to complete a training course in order to play online.

  The other thing to consider would be the whole eny. and obj. ratings for all the planes and GV's would need to be revamped not to mention what would happen if a player ran out of perks to use.

  Like I said I've thought about this before and it became a complex exersize in futility! :devil




    :salute

  PS: still think the perk holiday might spice things up!

I am thinking not just for being able to play online...but anytime you need perks you can go to the AI arena and join missions....to earn them.... if not able to earn them in the MA....

it is HTC's sandbox though so it is up to him to figure out how to make the most people happy.....generally I am very happy flying and dying.....I just don't understand the whole mentality of gang after gang....... huge overkill hoards......or run away as soon as they lose advantage....how sad is it when 4 cons hit the deck and run as fast as they can from a single con

:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Butcher on July 02, 2012, 10:21:16 AM
I remember when the Chog was unperked, however it was at a time when we only had 15 or so aircrafts to choose from? When it got perked and the La7 added everyone was flying it, or the n1k.

Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Karnak on July 02, 2012, 12:04:38 PM
I remember when the Chog was unperked, however it was at a time when we only had 15 or so aircrafts to choose from? When it got perked and the La7 added everyone was flying it, or the n1k.



Hmmm.

Fighters only, from memory:

A6M5b
Bf109F-2
Bf109G-2
Bf109G-6
Bf109G-10
C.202
C.205
F4U-1D
F4U-1C
F6F-5
Fw190A-5
Fw190A-8
Ki-61-I-Tei
La-5FN
N1K2-J
P-38L
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51D
Typhoon Mk Ib
Seafire Mk II
Spitfire Mk V
Spitfire Mk IX
Yak-9T
Yak-9U

Looks like 25 fighters with the F4U-1C getting about 20% of the kills each tour.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Butcher on July 02, 2012, 12:17:55 PM
Karnak think it was before the N1K came out and La7 when the Chog flew unperked, then again I hardly remember heh.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Karnak on July 02, 2012, 12:42:16 PM
N1K2 was the first Japanese aircraft that added during beta, so definitely not before the N1K2.  It was before the La-7, which is why I didn't list the La-7.  :p

AH v1.0 list was:

B-17G
B-26B
Bf109F-4
Bf109G-2
Bf109G-6
Bf109G-10
C.205
C-47A
F4U-1D
F4U-1C (I think, but it might have been added in v1.01 or v1.02)
Fw190A-8
La-5FN
N1K2-J
P-51D
Spitfire Mk IX
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Lusche on July 02, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
First steps in introducing the perk system were taken in Tour 14 (March 2001), F4UC was perked in Tour 16. N1K had been in game before that, the La-7 was introduced in Tour 14.


This is the complete planeset of tour 15, just before the F4UC was perked one tour later:

A6M5b
Ar 234
B-17G
B-26B
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Bf 109G-10 (K-4 today)
C-47A
C.202
C.205
Chute
empty
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F6F-5
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
Gunner
Ju 88
La-5FN
La-7
Lancaster III
M-16
M-3
N1K2
Ostwind
P-38L
P-47-D25
P-47-D40
P-51B
P-51D
Panzer IV H
PT Boat
SeaFire
Ship Gunner
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk V
Ta 152H
TBM-3
Tempest
Typhoon IB
Yak-9T
Yak-9U
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Lusche on July 02, 2012, 01:25:38 PM
And this was the fighter situation before the perk system was introduced:

(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/905/tour12q.jpg)
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 02, 2012, 03:23:04 PM
Arguable, but whatever.


It's not but then planes aren't really your strong point so I can understand why you didn't know.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Babalonian on July 02, 2012, 04:17:36 PM
I love the F4U-4 and would like to use it more often. I propose unperking (or reducing the perks) when taking off of a cv only. This way I'll have something to counter the LA7's. However, I am not recommending to unperk the -4 when lifting off a land based field.

Translation: the La7 is unperked, why isn't the 4-hog?


Responce:  when was the last time you fought an La7 (or forced him to fight you) above 7k in a F4U-1_?  A cheaper/free 4-hog is necessary to accomplish this, because?
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: cobia38 on July 02, 2012, 04:43:57 PM

   planes should not be perked,only pilots   :airplane:
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Karnak on July 02, 2012, 05:06:04 PM
   planes should not be perked,only pilots   :airplane:
This is unworkable as any player can game themselves to lower stats.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: smoe on July 02, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
   planes should not be perked,only pilots   :airplane:

That's an interesting idea.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Rob52240 on July 02, 2012, 08:20:50 PM
-1  The plane is too (http://www.pixeljoint.com/files/icons/mr_t.gif).  Besides it's cheap anyway.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: HighTone on July 02, 2012, 08:52:57 PM
The -4 is an uber monster of a beast. Unperking it would lead it to being the most seen ride in the MA.


Leave it perked, besides its only perked at 25 or so. Very easy to get if you stay out of the low eny rides.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: cobia38 on July 02, 2012, 10:39:52 PM
This is unworkable as any player can game themselves to lower stats.
 maybe it would cure some of the "score potatos" and even lead to less timid playstyle
  perhaps grade the score into the perk cost,not a replacement but just part of it.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Ruah on July 03, 2012, 10:28:24 AM
I agree that the LA7 is a bit imba. . .it is incredibly powerful.  But the U4 is a lot stronger.  I agree that it is the hands down best prop fighter in the game although the tempest is perked for a good reason, but the tempest cannot knife fight like the U4 can. . . and yes, the spit 14 does not need to be perked. 

So this must be a perk LA7 thread in disguise?


see what I did there?    :joystick:
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Big Rat on July 03, 2012, 10:33:18 AM
If they were free, they woudn't be special :lol  They feel like cheating to a good hog pilot anyway.

-1

 :salute
BigRat
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Zodiac on July 03, 2012, 01:10:34 PM
I love the F4U-4 and would like to use it more often. I propose unperking (or reducing the perks) when taking off of a cv only. This way I'll have something to counter the LA7's. However, I am not recommending to unperk the -4 when lifting off a land based field.

Not really a problem, plenty of unperked CV a/c that can counter an LA7,Spit,Hurricane or pretty much anything else.
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: Tank-Ace on July 03, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
It's not but then planes aren't really your strong point so I can understand why you didn't know.

ack-ack

Lol, AKAK, you decide to take up trolling as a hobby?
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: titanic3 on July 03, 2012, 07:13:02 PM
Lol, AKAK, you decide to take up trolling as a hobby?

You will now address him as Mr.Head. Calling him by his first name is also allowed but it might be mistaken for a personal attack.  :aok
Title: Re: Unperk the F4U-4 (and others)
Post by: icepac on July 04, 2012, 04:58:41 PM
The F4U4 is so uber I only use it for NOE pursuits.