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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bodhi on July 21, 2012, 11:18:27 AM
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As the other thread is getting cluttered, I thought I would start one that does not focus so much on the Freeh Report, but more so on the actions the NCAA should or could take.
In the wake of the conspiracy to cover up the actions of convicted pedophile Jerry Sandusky, I find it interesting that people still find ways to defend the indefensible. Leaving out the multitude of civil suits for now (there are some saying damages could top 500 million), the NCAA is now focusing on this scandal ridden school and taking in the known facts and known actions of school administrators, athletics administrators, iconic (sic) coach inactions, and a host of other participants' actions and preparing to make a ruling regarding the sanctions possible against Penn State. While some delusional and attention seeking individuals claim that the NCAA can not do anything, one needs only refer to the NCAA Division I Constitution Section 6.0.1 to see that Penn State failed miserably at Institutional Control, and beyond that, there are a host of other issues when the words ethics come up. While it is possible that the NCAA may want to distance themselves from this stinking mess, the NCAA is walking a very tight line here, because any inaction will reflect very poorly upon themselves and their governance of collegiate athletics and institutions that participate in such.
The only reasonable course of action is that the NCAA at the least, must levy the "death sentence" on the Penn State Football program for no less than 2 years. Established precedence in the NCAA rulings involving 5 death penalty sentences too date have resulted in two, 2 year sentences, for recruiting violations. Recruiting violations. Let that sink in. 2 years of no sport athletics (in the reference sports) for recruiting violations. Paying student athletes to pay composed one of those "death penalties". Now look to the comparison at Penn State. At Penn State, administrators actively conspired to cover up a series of crimes so heinous that most have trouble saying it aloud. The Institutional Control failed miserably and allowed young adults and children to be brutally sodomized and raped by the scum of the human race, a pedophile named Jerry Sandusky. Further, the culture surrounding this program that was built up by an iconic "legend" allowed this to continue. Finally, and amidst the testifying before a grand jury, the iconic football legend was awarded a much larger retirement package even though he failed miserably at the least in simple ethics.
Penn State deserves not a simple 3 year penalty for the football program. It deserves a ten year absence of NCAA sports. Maybe then, that scandal ridden culture can truly learn that athletics and ethics can go hand in hand.
What are your thoughts?
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As the other thread is getting cluttered, I thought I would start one that does not focus so much on the Freeh Report, but more so on the actions the NCAA should or could take.
In the wake of the conspiracy to cover up the actions of convicted pedophile Jerry Sandusky, I find it interesting that people still find ways to defend the indefensible. Leaving out the multitude of civil suits for now (there are some saying damages could top 500 million), the NCAA is now focusing on this scandal ridden school and taking in the known facts and known actions of school administrators, athletics administrators, iconic (sic) coach inactions, and a host of other participants' actions and preparing to make a ruling regarding the sanctions possible against Penn State. While some delusional and attention seeking individuals claim that the NCAA can not do anything, one needs only refer to the NCAA Division I Constitution Section 6.0.1 to see that Penn State failed miserably at Institutional Control, and beyond that, there are a host of other issues when the words ethics come up. While it is possible that the NCAA may want to distance themselves from this stinking mess, the NCAA is walking a very tight line here, because any inaction will reflect very poorly upon themselves and their governance of collegiate athletics and institutions that participate in such.
The only reasonable course of action is that the NCAA at the least, must levy the "death sentence" on the Penn State Football program for no less than 2 years. Established precedence in the NCAA rulings involving 5 death penalty sentences too date have resulted in two, 2 year sentences, for recruiting violations. Recruiting violations. Let that sink in. 2 years of no sport athletics (in the reference sports) for recruiting violations. Paying student athletes to pay composed one of those "death penalties". Now look to the comparison at Penn State. At Penn State, administrators actively conspired to cover up a series of crimes so heinous that most have trouble saying it aloud. The Institutional Control failed miserably and allowed young adults and children to be brutally sodomized and raped by the scum of the human race, a pedophile named Jerry Sandusky. Further, the culture surrounding this program that was built up by an iconic "legend" allowed this to continue. Finally, and amidst the testifying before a grand jury, the iconic football legend was awarded a much larger retirement package even though he failed miserably at the least in simple ethics.
Penn State deserves not a simple 3 year penalty for the football program. It deserves a ten year absence of NCAA sports. Maybe then, that scandal ridden culture can truly learn that athletics and ethics can go hand in hand.
What are your thoughts?
What about the students who had no involvement? A 10 year absence will absolutely destroy future funding to the school where tens of thousands student attend... is it fair to the other students to suffer the consequences of this?
10 years is a little harsh... I would lean towards a 3 year ban vs 10 years. You want to teach a lesson, but you definitely don't want to punish students and staff that were not involved by limiting their ability to further their careers and education.
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No penalty from the NCAA.
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I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. :rolleyes:
10 years? Crucify the people that covered this up but don't destroy more lives that have nothing to do with what happened.
Kill the football program for 5 years or whatever, but what you propose is throwing out the baby with the bath water.
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Regardless of what happens officially.
How many HS players are going to sign with Penn State if they are also given offers to any other school?
In my opinion, not many.
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What about the students who had no involvement? A 10 year absence will absolutely destroy future funding to the school where tens of thousands student attend... is it fair to the other students to suffer the consequences of this?
10 years is a little harsh... I would lean towards a 3 year ban vs 10 years. You want to teach a lesson, but you definitely don't want to punish students and staff that were not involved by limiting their ability to further their careers and education.
Covering up the rapes of children and failing to control the athletic program in an ethical manner is only a notch up from paying players to play in your program, right?
Take a look at the failures at PSU. Then tell me again, based upon precedence of punishments, that 3 years is fair.
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10 years? Crucify the people that covered this up but don't destroy more lives that have nothing to do with what happened.
Kill the football program for 5 years or whatever, but what you propose is throwing out the baby with the bath water.
I think 10 years is reasonable. Based upon the precedence for past punishments involving the NCAA "death penalty" (2 years for paying players to pay), the only reasonable reaction is to severely punish PSU. As for destroying lives, I think people can get over not playing sports, but how do you suppose the victims of this heinous crime will endure?
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There is no innocence; only varying degrees of guilt.
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There is no innocence; only varying degrees of guilt.
BS
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BS
Compelling retort.
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Compelling retort.
Thank you, nearly as well thought out as your own.
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Penn State will get 2-3 years, I can almost guarantee it.
I'd much rather see them get 10 years and lessening the 'death penalty' to 5 years if they throw their faulty Administration (including the late Paterno) under the bus by admitting there was wrong doing. No more trying to cover it up (or putting a happier face on it), and firing every single faculty member that was involved (no matter how minor).
Frankly, if Penn State can survive the civil suits against them (500million+), it will be amazing. In addition, I hope the victims sue the school, the people who made up the Administation at the time, and even the late Paterno's estate until nothing is left in their names/estates.
I understand this will affect students and even the local area, but if soft discipline is used here, it will send an entirely wrong message to all other schools. I still believe some of Penn State's Administration should be going to jail because of the mandatory reporting laws that were not followed.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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I am not crapping anywhere. If you wanted a bunch of people to agree with you why not just PM each other?
What makes you think we're not? There were only two guilt free people that I know of; then she ate an apple...
If this ruins Penn State so be it. A clear message needs to be sent. There are more than enough other schools out there to absorb the athletes with little or no reprocussions. Penn State is not the only college with a football program.
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Penn State will get 2-3 years, I can almost guarantee it.
I'd much rather see them get 10 years and lessening the 'death penalty' to 5 years if they throw their faulty Administration (including the late Paterno) under the bus by admitting there was wrong doing. No more trying to cover it up (or putting a happier face on it), and firing every single faculty member that was involved (no matter how minor).
Frankly, if Penn State can survive the civil suits against them (500million+), it will be amazing. In addition, I hope the victims sue the school, the people who made up the Administation at the time, and even the late Paterno's estate until nothing is left in their names/estates.
I understand this will affect students and even the local area, but if soft discipline is used here, it will send an entirely wrong message to all other schools. I still believe some of Penn State's Administration should be going to jail because of the mandatory reporting laws that were not followed.
Really think about it you seem to be a intelligent guy. Do you honestly believe there needs to be a message sent to other schools not to molest children?
Honestly with such a heinous crime how much of a message does there need to be sent?
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Penn State will get 2-3 years, I can almost guarantee it.
I'd much rather see them get 10 years and lessening the 'death penalty' to 5 years if they throw their faulty Administration (including the late Paterno) under the bus by admitting there was wrong doing. No more trying to cover it up (or putting a happier face on it), and firing every single faculty member that was involved (no matter how minor).
Frankly, if Penn State can survive the civil suits against them (500million+), it will be amazing. In addition, I hope the victims sue the school, the people who made up the Administation at the time, and even the late Paterno's estate until nothing is left in their names/estates.
I understand this will affect students and even the local area, but if soft discipline is used here, it will send an entirely wrong message to all other schools. I still believe some of Penn State's Administration should be going to jail because of the mandatory reporting laws that were not followed.
Well put Delerium. I have to believe that the NCAA sees this as a keystone moment in their future. They have the chance to show to the world that the laws must be followed and integrity of ethics and honesty are cornerstones of the NCAA's principles. If they go soft on the school for a systemic failure, then the repercussions will be massive. Personally, I would like to see 10 year ban on all NCAA sports at PSU as it would send a very strong message. In reality, I think it is possible to see a one year on all sports and 3 to 5 on football. Sadly, the reality will not send a strong enough message in my opinion.
I also understand that many lives are affected by the punishment handed down. But as you said, soft discipline sends the wrong message. People are going to suffer and are going to be angry, but the reality of the situation is, they can not blame anyone but PSU for allowing this to continue to happen.
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Really think about it you seem to be a intelligent guy. Do you honestly believe there needs to be a message sent to other schools not to molest children?
Honestly with such a heinous crime how much of a message does there need to be sent?
Kilo,
You are missing the intent of the message entirely. It is nothing to do about not molesting other children. Sandusky did that and he is being punished for it (albeit to lenient in my eyes). This is about a universal failure of the athletics department to follow the law and attempting to keep the molestation quiet and a school administration that failed to exercise proper Institutional Control over it's athletic program.
Please try and understand, Sandusky's actions and the schools are two different issues. The one's at focus and what the NCAA will rule on are the failures of the school to act properly when confronted with the allegations that Sandusky was raping children. Those 12 years of silence are going to haunt PSU for generations to come.
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One way the NCAA could take the duration of the penalty is to look at how many years the school did nothing. If they let it go on for 12 years, the penalty could conceivably be for 12 years. It's kind of fitting in a way. Punish the institution for failing to act and the duration of failure to act until forced to do so only by being exposed in the news publicly. Severe? Yup, but then again so is child rape, especially when it's a serial situation.
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I think 10 years is reasonable. Based upon the precedence for past punishments involving the NCAA "death penalty" (2 years for paying players to pay), the only reasonable reaction is to severely punish PSU. As for destroying lives, I think people can get over not playing sports, but how do you suppose the victims of this heinous crime will endure?
Nothing you do to the school will lessen the suffering of the victims. It will only add more suffering for people that weren't involved in any way. If a 10 year blacklisting over all the sports went into effect, it would cause economic suffering and a blight on an entire community for 20 years or more. Imagine a teacher or student with Penn State sports on his resume' getting passed over. What about all the area small businesses (which employ people, btw) going out of business, costing people their livelihoods. People that had absolutely nothing to do with the heinous crimes or their cover up.
Put the people responsible for the cover up behind bars - hell, execute them for all I care.
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Really think about it you seem to be a intelligent guy. Do you honestly believe there needs to be a message sent to other schools not to molest children?
Honestly with such a heinous crime how much of a message does there need to be sent?
Yes a message does need to be sent (IMO). It will show other school the penalty they will have if something fishy is going on in their organization and keeping it on the down low.
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Nothing you do to the school will lessen the suffering of the victims. It will only add more suffering for people that weren't involved in any way. If a 10 year blacklisting over all the sports went into effect, it would cause economic suffering and a blight on an entire community for 20 years or more. Imagine a teacher or student with Penn State sports on his resume' getting passed over. What about all the area small businesses (which employ people, btw) going out of business, costing people their livelihoods. People that had absolutely nothing to do with the heinous crimes or their cover up.
Put the people responsible for the cover up behind bars - hell, execute them for all I care.
I disagree. A severe punishment might just show the victims that they really do matter and it's not all about legacy coaches, legacy teams, and money. Further, it might just provide a shocking example of what happens when you lose Institutional Control.
So, in your eyes, the University can break the NCAA rules yet not be punished for it, because people rely on it for jobs? Please. That's a foolish statement. There is and will be 44000 students still going to PSU. Bars and restaurants will still do business during football season just like always. The big difference, PSU should not participate. Sure, there will be an impact on the local economy, there always is when an Institution is punished for wrong doing. That does not change the fact that a severe punishment is warranted.
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Honestly with such a heinous crime how much of a message does there need to be sent?
Obviously a larger message, otherwise Sandusky's behavior wouldn't of gone on so many years. It isn't so much punishing Penn State, but showing other schools what can happen if they don't do the right thing.
If nothing happens to Penn State, then it will send a different message; that football programs are more important than the bodily harm and emotional destruction that can occur to children. That was the mindset of Penn State when they covered for Sandusky, including Paterno, and it should not happen again.
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The fact that a punishment does not undo the damage has never, to my knowledge, been used as a reason for a more lenient, or complete removal of, a punishment in any sort of disciplinary situation.
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If nothing happens to Penn State, then it will send a different message; that football programs are more important than the bodily harm and emotional destruction that can occur to children. That was the mindset of Penn State when they covered for Sandusky, including Paterno, and it should not happen again.
I think the message it will show is that this is a criminal matter, not an NCAA matter, as no NCAA rules have been broken which would warrant the death penalty.
If the NCAA wants to stick Penn State for it, they will have to get them for something else and throw the book at them. For example Al Capone getting nailed for tax evasion. If they do a full audit and see that Penn State broke some other NCAA rules that would otherwise be a slap on the wrist, they might suddenly result in the max penalties for said violations.
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You are incorrect in your statement that they did not break NCAA rules Grizz. 6.0.1 of the charter is the start, but there are plenty of other things there to. There will be a death penalty, you can count on it.
The President of the NCAA, Mark Emmert, said this week to PBS, "I have never seen anything as egregious as this in terms of just overall conduct and behavior inside a university and hope to never see it again"
The smart money would be for Penn State to shut there own football program down. That would show they were serious about the issues at hand.
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I can see a minimum of 2-3 year Death Sentence happening. The longer this plays out, the more disgusting this will end up being. Which might drive this Death Sentence more than 5 years. The School covered it up and now Trustees are resigning.
Just like the Report of Universities sitting on Million of Dollars came out this year. You can bet that nest egg will be dipped into and is probably already being used.
Just like the other thread. It is glaring to see who on this BBS is a Parent.
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I disagree. A severe punishment might just show the victims that they really do matter and it's not all about legacy coaches, legacy teams, and money. Further, it might just provide a shocking example of what happens when you lose Institutional Control.
The fact that a punishment does not undo the damage has never, to my knowledge, been used as a reason for a more lenient, or complete removal of, a punishment in any sort of disciplinary situation.
Put the people responsible for the cover up behind bars - hell, execute them for all I care.
Does this sound like lenient punishment? How could anyone miss the message this would send to any future administrators about protecting the "system"?
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The more I look at the rules, the more I think NCAA will ban some of the Penn State athletic staff from participating for many years, instead of instituting any 'death penalty' over the entire program.
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What the NCAA does or doesn't do will bring a lengthy explanation of why from them.
I have no idea what NCAA will do. But I agree they will do something. They have to
or the publics perception of the NCAA will be viewed as an organizatioin that skips the
hard part and are basically a figurehead organization without much authority. If that
is the case if every school decides to ignore the NCAA, there is nothing the NCAA can do about it.
They can become moot at that point and basically useless. This is going to be something to watch.
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See Rule #4
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Well the statue has been removed.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/paterno-statue-penn-state-123528628.html
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See Rule #4
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LOL, you do realize that modern law takes a significant amount from Hammurabi, right?
Mainly the Crime/Punishment concept, and modernizes it. I'm just joshing anyways, it is human nature to want balanced revenge.
Doesn't look like Penn State is going to get "death penalty" but they are going to be hit hard. From article on ESPN right now.
NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.
But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8188629/penn-state-nittany-lions-not-facing-death-penalty-monday-ncaa-source-says
They might be getting punished for "lack of institutional control" part of NCAA rules which is pretty general and seems like a catch all rule.
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There is no "balanced revenge" in punishment unless you go eye for an eye. A lifetime in prison can never take back the innocence of a child that was raped.
I read that just now. I am disappointed they are not using the death penalty, but it is obvious money won out over punishment.
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I don't understand how punishing current Penn State students with a the NCAA death penalty is just punishment. It would be more fitting to go after the staff and administrators that let this go on for years and punish them to the full extent of the law. IMO
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I don't understand how punishing current Penn State students with a the NCAA death penalty is just punishment. It would be more fitting to go after the staff and administrators that let this go on for years and punish them to the full extent of the law. IMO
Sometimes innocents get negatively affected by a punishment.
If Bob murders somebody and gets sentenced to 20 years in prison, is it just that Bob's children no longer have their father or the income he provided?
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Sometimes innocents get negatively affected by a punishment.
If Bob murders somebody and gets sentenced to 20 years in prison, is it just that Bob's children no longer have their father or the income he provided?
Sandusky put his family in jeopardy with his actions. Their shame emotional suffering and income loss is still a direct byproduct of his crime.
While tragic for them his actions are the cause for their misfortune. In fact if he's any kind of man at all which I doubt he should
feel ashamed for what he put his family through. There is a direct and common link to the offender and his family. No I don't think it is fair his family should suffer.
Enough of his victims and other innocent people have suffered because of this man already. Why lay out sanctions against the current student body of Penn State making more?
Plus how does a death death sentence to their football program bring justice to the child molestation victims? Punish the people that hid and enabled this creep. Not a bunch of innocent college students and athletes. They are already carrying the stain on their schools reputation by these administrators why add more into the mix.
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There is no "balanced revenge" in punishment unless you go eye for an eye. A lifetime in prison can never take back the innocence of a child that was raped.
I read that just now. I am disappointed they are not using the death penalty, but it is obvious money won out over punishment.
Really, it was that obvious? It sounds like you were in on the deliberations. Tell us more.
Seriously, it looks a lot to me like the NCAA realizes that all along it was the students/players that were being victimized, and they wanted to ensure that any sanctions did not further punish the students and players. Any sanctions must hurt the administration, not the players. This should be obvious.
If it is true that the sanctions will largely involve cutting financial incentives and bowl appearances, then it sure looks like they are doing their best to target the school and not the players. The kids in there now will get to keep playing but the school can't use NCAA money to aid recruiting for a while and they lose a TON of money from bowl games that would have been used for their programs. But the players can keep playing, and that is important.
Personally, I hope they end up with a really good coach and athletic staff that wants to do a good thing by going in and taking charge of the program and shaping a good culture through the coming hard years for the program. That way when the school emerges from the penalty years they have a hope of becoming great again. Again, that benefits the students/players while severely punishing the people who let the crimes occur and continue to go on for so long.
IMHO. I don't claim sure knowledge like some of you guys. Maybe you can get me into the board meetings you've been attending, since you're so sure you know what is going, what will happen, and the motivations behind it? :lol
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Really, it was that obvious? It sounds like you were in on the deliberations. Tell us more.
Seriously, it looks a lot to me like the NCAA realizes that all along it was the students/players that were being victimized, and they wanted to ensure that any sanctions did not further punish the students and players. Any sanctions must hurt the administration, not the players. This should be obvious.
If it is true that the sanctions will largely involve cutting financial incentives and bowl appearances, then it sure looks like they are doing their best to target the school and not the players. The kids in there now will get to keep playing but the school can't use NCAA money to aid recruiting for a while and they lose a TON of money from bowl games that would have been used for their programs. But the players can keep playing, and that is important.
Personally, I hope they end up with a really good coach and athletic staff that wants to do a good thing by going in and taking charge of the program and shaping a good culture through the coming hard years for the program. That way when the school emerges from the penalty years they have a hope of becoming great again. Again, that benefits the students/players while severely punishing the people who let the crimes occur and continue to go on for so long.
IMHO. I don't claim sure knowledge like some of you guys. Maybe you can get me into the board meetings you've been attending, since you're so sure you know what is going, what will happen, and the motivations behind it? :lol
It is fairly easy to see that it is my opinion Eagl, and I have never claimed otherwise. But please, astonish us with some more save the athletes prose. It's not like that culture had anything to do with the coverup, right?
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It is fairly easy to see that it is my opinion Eagl, and I have never claimed otherwise. But please, astonish us with some more save the athletes prose. It's not like that culture had anything to do with the coverup, right?
Ah, so we've moved over to blaming the victim(s). I think we see your motive now. You just want to shut down the football program. That's fine, but we don't need moral outrage or even a rape scandal to propose something like that.
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BTW grab some peanuts and a beer before replying... Don't want to blow a gasket or anything :cheers:
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stop watching sports / "news"...they are a distraction to your capabilities. Except GA football. If all else fails who really gives a shazbot if anything happens? Is it going to change your life? Let the ones affected deal with the bad eggs. :bolt:
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Seriously, it looks a lot to me like the NCAA realizes that all along it was the students/players that were being victimized
How many students/players were left alone with Sandusky in the shower? The only victims here are the ACTUAL victims! If an rising football star wants to play football without the looming penalties that Penn State may receive, he/she can always go to another college.
The college itself needs to make amends and the best start was ripping down Paterno's statue. That action sends the NCAA a clear message that they are willing to do anything to prevent the 'death penalty'. I feel some of the Administration, McCreary is a good example, will never be able to step foot on or near a college athletic program again, but I don't think the college will get the 'death penalty' in light of their recent actions.
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Ah, so we've moved over to blaming the victim(s). I think we see your motive now. You just want to shut down the football program. That's fine, but we don't need moral outrage or even a rape scandal to propose something like that.
Eagl, not sure where you are coming from on blaming the "victims". I blame the athletic culture at PSU for allowing that child rapist Sandusky to continue to destroy lives of children. The inaction and attempts to save an athletic programs face and reputation were appalling and in my eyes almost as bad as the actual acts. That is what needs to be punished. That athletes would not be able to play football or any other sport with what I proposed is incidental and just too damn bad. Innocents unfortunately might suffer as well, but the message that this will not ever be tolerated in the future would be sent and just might save a child the horror of what happened after the college knew.
As for getting mad. lol, I like discussing these things so if you hope I am getting mad, you will be sorely disappointed.
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How many students/players were left alone with Sandusky in the shower? The only victims here are the ACTUAL victims! If an rising football star wants to play football without the looming penalties that Penn State may receive, he/she can always go to another college.
The college itself needs to make amends and the best start was ripping down Paterno's statue. That action sends the NCAA a clear message that they are willing to do anything to prevent the 'death penalty'. I feel some of the Administration, McCreary is a good example, will never be able to step foot on or near a college athletic program again, but I don't think the college will get the 'death penalty' in light of their recent actions.
I agree, but I think it is too little to late in my eyes Delerium. In my eyes, they are doing this to prevent punishments, not because it is the right thing to do.
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I agree, but I think it is too little to late in my eyes Delerium. In my eyes, they are doing this to prevent punishments, not because it is the right thing to do.
That is my opinion too, but this may give the NCAA the opportunity to avoid handing down a harsh sentence.
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I agree, but I think it is too little to late in my eyes Delerium. In my eyes, they are doing this to prevent punishments, not because it is the right thing to do.
You really think Penn State's decision to rip down a statue is going to have any bearing on sanctions issued by the NCAA? lol
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Yes.
Like I said before (and all conjecture), I think NCAA is looking to punish the individuals, rather than the whole program and are looking for a way out of doing so. It wouldn't surprise me if the statue was a concession that was agreed upon privately. We all know it will end up being displayed again, probably in 10 years when the public (particularly the media's) memory is weaker with time.
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Reports have it that Penn State will serve serious penalties from the NCAA. Yes these penalties will be leveled at the Football program.
The penalties are to be announced by the NCAA at 9AM EST Monday morning. The death penalty is reportedly not on the table.
But insiders report that the penalties may be as bad as if not worse then the death penalty. including a fine of 30 million up to 60
million dollars on the University as well as sanctions on the football program. Remember this is conjecture. Nothing certain until
9AM monday morning.
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You really think Penn State's decision to rip down a statue is going to have any bearing on sanctions issued by the NCAA? lol
No, I do not think it will. Had they addressed the issues before the NCAA became involved then they might have been given some leniency, but as I said, anything they do now is too little too late.
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Yes.
Like I said before (and all conjecture), I think NCAA is looking to punish the individuals, rather than the whole program and are looking for a way out of doing so. It wouldn't surprise me if the statue was a concession that was agreed upon privately. We all know it will end up being displayed again, probably in 10 years when the public (particularly the media's) memory is weaker with time.
They took the statue down a few days after the Freeh report came out. To me it felt like they wanted to be sure that's what needed to be done instead of making a brash decision. I mean, when should they have taken it down? When there were unproven reports that Joe Pa might have known about it? This is a country that you are innocent until proven guilty. Ultimately it appears Joe Pa did have his hands quite dirty in this, but up until a week ago, he didn't seem to be as complicit in the coverup.
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Take the statue down!
They take the statue down.
They did not take the statue down right!
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Forfeiture of games means paterno no longer most winningest coach.
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Compelling retort.
He is right though. I think this entire story has been blown way out of proportion and all those with the lynch mob mentality against the entire university need to recheck their saneness.
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See Rule #4
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The penalty by the NCAA seems too light in my opinion.
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He is right though. I think this entire story has been blown way out of proportion and all those with the lynch mob mentality against the entire university need to recheck their saneness.
First off, no one has called for rounding up the perpetrators and doling out mob justice, we just offered up we thought were punishments warranted by the actions. If you honestly think the story of a University covering up the actions of a serial child rapist is being blown out of proportion, I'd definitely look up the definition of sanity, because your usage was off.
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All in All good punishment except for the loss of scholarships. I never understood this one. Basically you are allowing the school to give less money to student athletes and the student athletes to pay tuition. I understand that the end result is lost recruits since some will have to pay, but you are still going to field the same roster size football team. Some student athletes that do go to Penn State won't get scholarships now. It's bullcrap.
EDIT: And by good punishment, I mean NCAA imposed punishment. There is still plenty of legal punishment to come which will trump this.
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Some student athletes that do go to Penn State won't get scholarships now. It's bullcrap.
The result is the college having players that want to play, but aren't good enough to net a large scholarship. Instead, Penn State can only dish out scholarships per the subdivision limits from 25 to 15 per year. Since Penn State isn't the only college in the country, the star players will go somewhere else. So, Penn State will have a losing team of players that actually WANT to play the game but are attending the college for an education instead of just football... I know, unheard of.
As Emmert said, "We hope we would never, ever see anything of this magnitude or egregiousness again in our lives, but we do have to make sure that the cautionary tale of athletics overwhelming core values of the institution and losing sight of why we are really participating in these activities can occur. That's the balance that every university needs to strive for."
Unfortunately, with the cash cow that college football is, I feel this isn't the first time we'll see a college sweep things under the rug to keep the cash cow alive.
edit: I'm happy with some of the punishment the NCAA handed out, including going after Paterno the only way they could; by stripping him of victories. His entire legacy will have an asterisks next to it and the the civil suits haven't even started yet. The monetary amount is questionable, they are paying the new coach of ONE YEAR $950,000 a year, so I think 60 million is a drop in the bucket.
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The result is the college having players that want to play, but aren't good enough to net a large scholarship. Instead, Penn State can only dish out scholarships per the subdivision limits from 25 to 15 per year. Since Penn State isn't the only college in the country, the star players will go somewhere else. So, Penn State will have a losing team of players that actually WANT to play the game but are attending the college for an education instead of just football... I know, unheard of.
As Emmert said, "We hope we would never, ever see anything of this magnitude or egregiousness again in our lives, but we do have to make sure that the cautionary tale of athletics overwhelming core values of the institution and losing sight of why we are really participating in these activities can occur. That's the balance that every university needs to strive for."
Unfortunately, with the cash cow that college football is, I feel this isn't the first time we'll see a college sweep things under the rug to keep the cash cow alive.
edit: I'm actually happy with the punishment the NCAA handed out, including going after Paterno the only way they could; by stripping him of victories. His entire legacy will have an asterisks next to it and the the civil suits haven't even started yet.
Star players will still get full rides. There will just be less money to go around for the "average player" and he will pay more out of pocket.
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Star players will still get full rides. There will just be less money to go around for the "average player" and he will pay more out of pocket.
Or go to another school, again, Penn State isn't the only college out there.
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Or go to another school, again, Penn State isn't the only college out there.
For some reason there are those that seem to think it is the only college around.
Some seem to be afraid to hurt anyones feelings just because a buch of kids were molested.