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Title: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 24, 2012, 11:55:53 PM
Truck won't disengage from 4wd low. I tried everything to get it out and nothing  :cry.

I was being nice pulling a friend out a ditch and now I'm stuck doing like 45mph at 4800rpm.  :cry
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: 1sum41 on July 25, 2012, 12:07:35 AM
did you switch it into low while you were moving?
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 12:10:21 AM
did you switch it into low while you were moving?
About 2-3 mph yes. :(
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Hoffman on July 25, 2012, 12:21:02 AM
A couple months back my transmission had a pin that fell out of place and kept it from switching gears, I'm definately not a mechanic but something similar might have happened when you pulled your friend out.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Shuffler on July 25, 2012, 12:43:19 AM
You may try backing up a short distance to see if it will disengage.


if not.....

If I remember right you have an explorer. I think there is a motor that engages and disengages the front end. You may hear it when pressing the switch. If not you may have a short or that motor is bad/stuck.

Title: Re: Problem
Post by: zack1234 on July 25, 2012, 12:49:19 AM
When they find out you have been driving again your going to be grounded for a year :rofl

Use your skateboard until your old enough to get a license :old:

Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Masherbrum on July 25, 2012, 05:55:46 AM
You need to be on flat ground and at a complete stop.   If it will not go into Neutral and then to 2wd.....you grenaded the Transfer Case.    Also, I wouldn't drive with that in 4wd Low very long, your transmission will be next.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: homersipes on July 25, 2012, 06:46:17 AM
I have a 96 blazer that was stuck in 4wd when I bought it, it ended up being the solenoid down on the transfercase, salt and road crap gets down in there and corrodes it.  I have heard of them getting stuck in low range mine just happened to be in hi range.  from what people have told me it could also be a vaccum line thats broken.  is it push button, or a stick?
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: zack1234 on July 25, 2012, 06:51:00 AM
We have people in the UK who have 4x4 and never go any where near Dirt,water or snow :)

Title: Re: Problem
Post by: icepac on July 25, 2012, 07:37:54 AM
I drive them slowly in a circle forward and backwards.

Title: Re: Problem
Post by: VonMessa on July 25, 2012, 07:53:59 AM
I have a 96 blazer that was stuck in 4wd when I bought it, it ended up being the solenoid down on the transfercase, salt and road crap gets down in there and corrodes it.  I have heard of them getting stuck in low range mine just happened to be in hi range.  from what people have told me it could also be a vaccum line thats broken.  is it push button, or a stick?

What are these strange devices that you are all using?
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 08:02:15 AM
You may try backing up a short distance to see if it will disengage.


if not.....

If I remember right you have an explorer. I think there is a motor that engages and disengages the front end. You may hear it when pressing the switch. If not you may have a short or that motor is bad/stuck.


Its an f150. I tried backing up nothing.  :(

If its the transfer case like mash said, im screwed.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: B4Buster on July 25, 2012, 08:07:34 AM
J0, you don't want to be driving in 4WD Low at those speeds, and especially not for any length of time.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 08:17:39 AM
J0, you don't want to be driving in 4WD Low at those speeds, and especially not for any length of time.
Yea, I know...good thing I live on 25mph roads.

But I went underneath my truck just now and notice this was packed with hardened mud. (http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b461/snax6/e0eac1d8.jpg) I took a hose and screw driving got all the mud out and it's working fine.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: VonMessa on July 25, 2012, 08:20:20 AM
Yea, I know...good thing I live on 25mph roads.

But I went underneath my truck just now and notice this was packed with hardened mud. (http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b461/snax6/e0eac1d8.jpg) I took a hose and screw driving got all the mud out and it's working fine.

Must be one helluva truck if a little mud prevents it from working   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 08:22:03 AM
Must be one helluva truck if a little mud prevents it from working   :rolleyes:
wouldnt let it move through its full range of motion.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: VonMessa on July 25, 2012, 08:52:58 AM
wouldnt let it move through its full range of motion.

Better stick to the paved roads from now on  :noid
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 09:15:25 AM
Better stick to the paved roads from now on  :noid
I was being nice and setting a example for the younger kids who think their  jeep liberties are mud boggers.  :lol
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Shuffler on July 25, 2012, 09:20:08 AM
I was being nice and setting a example for the younger kids who think their  jeep liberties are mud boggers.  :lol

lol When you play in the mud you will see all kinds of odd things happen. Of course that depends on how much mud you play in. If you don't spray it down soon after mudding it can harden like concrete.


BTW if you've never been stuck, you've never been mudding. :D
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 09:24:50 AM
lol When you play in the mud you will see all kinds of odd things happen. Of course that depends on how much mud you play in. If you don't spray it down soon after mudding it can harden like concrete.


BTW if you've never been stuck, you've never been mudding. :D
:lol I try not to put Myself in bad situations like that. I haven't got stuck in mud, but I have got stuck in snow.  :banana:
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: VonMessa on July 25, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
:lol I try not to put Myself in bad situations like that. I haven't got stuck in mud, but I have got stuck in snow.  :banana:

You are more girly than my daughter...

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/RhiMud-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Spikes on July 25, 2012, 10:18:53 AM
You are more girly than my daughter...

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/RhiMud-1.jpg)
BAM!
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Butcher on July 25, 2012, 12:13:15 PM
You are more girly than my daughter...

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/RhiMud-1.jpg)

OH SNAP!
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Fud on July 25, 2012, 12:19:59 PM
Did you log off and then recalibrate lol
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: zack1234 on July 25, 2012, 12:36:38 PM
4x4 stopped by mud :)

It a Range rover?
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: B4Buster on July 25, 2012, 01:12:29 PM
Happy you got it fixed - but watch it...I drive a Liberty!  :furious

(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/DSC00954.jpg)
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: ALFAMEGA51 on July 25, 2012, 01:19:12 PM
I was being nice and setting a example for the younger kids who think their  jeep liberties are mud boggers.  :lol
haha nice jo  :rofl  :aok
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 01:20:06 PM
You are more girly than my daughter...

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/RhiMud-1.jpg)
Yea, but daughter probably had daddy fix everythin she breaks.

Title: Re: Problem
Post by: ALFAMEGA51 on July 25, 2012, 01:20:22 PM
Happy you got it fixed - but watch it...I drive a Liberty!  :furious

(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/DSC00954.jpg)
*points and laughs*  :lol
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: ALFAMEGA51 on July 25, 2012, 01:21:20 PM
Jo one time when i went mudding i managed to get my starter locked up, dont ask, i dont know how, but it sucked  :frown:
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 01:21:54 PM
Happy you got it fixed - but watch it...I drive a Liberty!  :furious

(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/DSC00954.jpg)
LOL! Don't try going through a 3 1/2 foot mud pit with it. You won't make it.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 01:23:03 PM
Jo one time when i went mudding i managed to get my starter locked up, dont ask, i dont know how, but it sucked  :frown:
Why did you turn your car off mudding?  :D
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: MarineUS on July 25, 2012, 01:41:40 PM
Must be one helluva truck if a little mud prevents it from working   :rolleyes:
As soon as he said it was a Ford...... :bolt:
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: 68ZooM on July 25, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
Yea, but daughter probably had daddy fix everythin she breaks.



Lol and you don't.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Shuffler on July 25, 2012, 02:08:48 PM
Lol and you don't.

lol The Camaro I bought my Daughter is still under warrantee. I do pay the insurance, gas, cleaning...... etc.

No mudding of course..........

(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/chevycamarosynergyss2012greenhalosledlight.jpg)

This is her car used in Oracle's SEMA advertising
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: B4Buster on July 25, 2012, 02:09:24 PM
LOL! Don't try going through a 3 1/2 foot mud pit with it. You won't make it.

I've never gotten stuck in snow with it, though  :P :neener:
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 02:09:58 PM
Lol and you don't.
No I do not. My dad cant even fix a chain that fell off a bike.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 02:11:23 PM
I've never gotten stuck in snow with it, though  :P :neener:
Touche :)
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: NOT on July 25, 2012, 03:57:13 PM
Looked awfully clean to have just been packed with mud.......................... ............................. . :noid






NOT
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 05:53:07 PM
Looked awfully clean to have just been packed with mud.......................... ............................. . :noid






NOT
I took a hose and screw driving got all the mud out and it's working fine.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: ALFAMEGA51 on July 25, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
Why did you turn your car off mudding?  :D
Well its a truck, but it happened afterwards  :D
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: jeep00 on July 25, 2012, 08:11:42 PM
Manual TC FTW. And now you also know to properly clean off your whole rig stem to stern when you get home, right away. Dried mud cake is not your friend. And tread lightly.

Bob
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: VonMessa on July 25, 2012, 08:46:19 PM
Yea, but daughter probably had daddy fix everythin she breaks.



Hardly.

She helped install the onboard air.  :rock
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: VonMessa on July 25, 2012, 08:47:03 PM
Happy you got it fixed - but watch it...I drive a Liberty!  :furious

(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/DSC00954.jpg)

Looks like you drive into other things with your liberty  :noid
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: 5anders on July 25, 2012, 09:43:55 PM
You are more girly than my daughter...

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/RhiMud-1.jpg)
:aok

Looks like a good time. Here are a couple of my buddies jeeps that we play with.  :rock I'm in the process of building one.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/originalorcrispy/403197_221957831226108_1132911464_n.jpg)

And no.  Our daddies don't help us fix them when they break.  Well unless we supply them with enough beer.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 25, 2012, 10:37:25 PM
Well its a truck, but it happened afterwards  :D
:)
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: VonMessa on July 26, 2012, 07:06:04 AM
:aok

Looks like a good time. Here are a couple of my buddies jeeps that we play with.  :rock I'm in the process of building one.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/originalorcrispy/403197_221957831226108_1132911464_n.jpg)

And no.  Our daddies don't help us fix them when they break.  Well unless we supply them with enough beer.

 :rock

That's not considered help, it's bribery  :lol
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: B4Buster on July 26, 2012, 07:07:58 AM
Looks like you drive into other things with your liberty  :noid

Naw, it looks scratched but is just a reflection of the snow. I had just washed it when i took the picture.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: CAP1 on July 26, 2012, 08:29:10 AM
Truck won't disengage from 4wd low. I tried everything to get it out and nothing  :cry.

I was being nice pulling a friend out a ditch and now I'm stuck doing like 45mph at 4800rpm.  :cry

 if it's a ford, you need to be either in park or neutral engine running, then switch it to 2wd.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: VonMessa on July 26, 2012, 08:37:37 AM
if it's a ford, you need to be either in park or neutral engine running, then switch it to 2wd.

Who designs such ridiculous machines, anyway?
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 26, 2012, 09:03:06 AM
if it's a ford, you need to be either in park or neutral engine running, then switch it to 2wd.
I'll note that.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: CAP1 on July 26, 2012, 09:16:29 AM
Who designs such ridiculous machines, anyway?

 ford engineers.

 when a ford engineer tops out at ford, they go to work for gm and chrysler. they then proceed to eff up those cars. when they get REALLY super duper good, they go work for vw/audi, mercedes, and bmw. they then proceed to make those cars the uncomplicated machines they are.  :devil
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: zack1234 on July 26, 2012, 09:40:40 AM
My brother in law has a jeep 4x4 he goes shooting and goes off road, he had numerous 4x4 and he says this is the best of a bad lot.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 26, 2012, 11:56:59 AM
ford engineers.

 when a ford engineer tops out at ford, they go to work for gm and chrysler. they then proceed to eff up those cars. when they get REALLY super duper good, they go work for vw/audi, mercedes, and bmw. they then proceed to make those cars the uncomplicated machines they are.  :devil
Lol, it's funny I went to go get my exhaust done at this local shop and the guy looks under and said my truck had 4 catalytic converters! Lmfao! 2 infront of sensor 2 behind. Who's the idiot that made that?
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 26, 2012, 12:06:49 PM
I was wrong about the liberty part. It's actually a Wrangler!

(http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b461/snax6/bf1a28dc.jpg)
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: branch37 on July 26, 2012, 12:27:08 PM
I drive an '06 Z71.  I was gonna pull a friend out in a similar situation.  I stop, shift to neutral, punch the 4 low button, lights flash and click into gear, green light, shift to drive, and it makes a god awful gear grinding noise, and then no power. :O  I disengage the 4WD, then drive away as if nothing happened.  I still dont know what happened to this day, but its been 3 years and it hasnt happened again.  Right after that I tried again with no problems, and got my buddy out of the crater the moron drove into. 
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: JOACH1M on July 26, 2012, 12:28:24 PM
I drive an '06 Z71.  I was gonna pull a friend out in a similar situation.  I stop, shift to neutral, punch the 4 low button, lights flash and click into gear, green light, shift to drive, and it makes a god awful gear grinding noise, and then no power. :O  I disengage the 4WD, then drive away as if nothing happened.  I still dont know what happened to this day, but its been 3 years and it hasnt happened again.  Right after that I tried again with no problems, and got my buddy out of the crater the moron drove into. 
That is very weird. :noid
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: CAP1 on July 26, 2012, 12:29:57 PM
Lol, it's funny I went to go get my exhaust done at this local shop and the guy looks under and said my truck had 4 catalytic converters! Lmfao! 2 infront of sensor 2 behind. Who's the idiot that made that?

 in some instances, those extra cats are necessary to get past some emissions standards. california in particular. nj too, as all new cars sold in nj must have cali emissions.

 i've replaced countless cat assemblies on audi a4's and vw passats. they've also got 4 cats. the problem is that each assembly is 2 cats with a small flex pipe in the middle. that flex pipe breaks, requiring replacement of the assembly. they ain't cheap.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Shuffler on July 26, 2012, 02:06:56 PM
I drive an '06 Z71.  I was gonna pull a friend out in a similar situation.  I stop, shift to neutral, punch the 4 low button, lights flash and click into gear, green light, shift to drive, and it makes a god awful gear grinding noise, and then no power. :O  I disengage the 4WD, then drive away as if nothing happened.  I still dont know what happened to this day, but its been 3 years and it hasnt happened again.  Right after that I tried again with no problems, and got my buddy out of the crater the moron drove into. 

Sounds like it did not fully engage.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: branch37 on July 26, 2012, 05:18:25 PM
Sounds like it did not fully engage.

Thats what I figured as well but didnt know for sure
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: CAP1 on July 26, 2012, 05:27:23 PM
shuffler nailed it. more often than not, you need to "exercise" those automatic 4x4 systems. they get sticky. you'd be surprised at how many people buy a 4x4 suv, and have it for years without ever putting it in 4 wheel drive. then when they need it, the actuator doesn't get it all the way in.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Masherbrum on July 26, 2012, 06:56:58 PM
Lol, it's funny I went to go get my exhaust done at this local shop and the guy looks under and said my truck had 4 catalytic converters! Lmfao! 2 infront of sensor 2 behind. Who's the idiot that made that?

Two of those are resonators, not cats.    As for your question, some engineer who never worked on a vehicle with his bare hands and always paid someone else to do it.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: CAP1 on July 26, 2012, 07:15:40 PM
Two of those are resonators, not cats.    As for your question, some engineer who never worked on a vehicle with his bare hands and always paid someone else to do it.

 no, he's right. many "dirty" running engines have 2 cats per bank. look at the old ohv ford 5 liters, or the early ohc 4.6 liters. those things ran filthy. the v6 audis and vw's run 2 cats per bank too. the resonator is farther downstream.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Masherbrum on July 26, 2012, 07:19:53 PM
no, he's right. many "dirty" running engines have 2 cats per bank. look at the old ohv ford 5 liters, or the early ohc 4.6 liters. those things ran filthy. the v6 audis and vw's run 2 cats per bank too. the resonator is farther downstream.

True, but I know sometimes those are mistaken for them.   More money for "Sensors".   :)
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: VonMessa on July 26, 2012, 07:29:08 PM
I was wrong about the liberty part. It's actually a Wrangler!

(http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b461/snax6/bf1a28dc.jpg)

Classic example of running a bad line.

90% of off-road driving is knowing what the hell one is doing.  That one should have been a no-brainer...

Any vehicle stuck on the frame is stuck.  Until winched, of course.

PS:  Let some of the air outta those tires  :D
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Masherbrum on July 26, 2012, 07:38:51 PM
Classic example of running a bad line.

90% of off-road driving is knowing what the hell one is doing.  That one should have been a no-brainer...

Any vehicle stuck on the frame is stuck.  Until winched, of course.

PS:  Let some of the air outta those tires  :D

Been in some nasty spots, been able to avoid pulling cable so far (knock on wood).    

Worst one.    In my Jeep Clubs (Soldiers of Fortune Off Road - Michigan) inaugural "SnoFari in 2006 near West Branch.   Almost the identical trails as the Internationally known "Sno-Blind", held by the old Mudchuggers Club.  I had my 83 CJ-7 at the time.    I come up to a tank trap about 75 long and watched a TJ on 36's pull cable three rigs in front of me.   I was "tail gunning" for my buddy who the Trail Leader.   I go into 4 Hi and hug the right bank, with my left tires "almost on the crest", but just below to get more traction.    I get about 3/4's of the way through it and "BANG".   "F**K", my front diff smacks square against a buried rock which stopped my rig dead.    I back up and realize in the excitement that my Dana 300 had popped out of Hi and went to 2wd.    "Oh, this is not good" I mumble to myself.    

Dana 300's enjoy being taken in and out of gear, on level ground.    I'm about 35 off camber.   I back up about 10 feet and the gears mesh.   Meanwhile, my buddy is yelling for me to pull the cable.   I adjust to miss the rock.   I put it into 4 Hi and floored it.    I made it out to the surprise of not only the folks there waiting, but myself.  

I miss that Jeep and regret trading it straight up for a 95 ZJ on 3.5" of lift.

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/Masherbrum/SnoFari%20Pre-Run%202006/PreRun2006030.jpg)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/Masherbrum/SnoFari%20Pre-Run%202006/PreRun2006027.jpg)

I blew that engine on the way home and found a nice 1972 AMC 304 to replace it with.    33" BFG Muds, Front and Rear Detroit Lockers with 4.27 gears.   

New "Old Rig"
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/Masherbrum/ZJ/ZJ001.jpg)
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Dace on July 26, 2012, 09:30:21 PM
Happy you got it fixed - but watch it...I drive a Liberty!  :furious

(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/B4B/DSC00954.jpg)

Me too Buster! Mines an '02 though.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: branch37 on July 26, 2012, 10:34:54 PM
shuffler nailed it. more often than not, you need to "exercise" those automatic 4x4 systems. they get sticky. you'd be surprised at how many people buy a 4x4 suv, and have it for years without ever putting it in 4 wheel drive. then when they need it, the actuator doesn't get it all the way in.


That sounds about right.  My incident happened about a month after i got the truck, and it was the first time I used 4 low. 
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: CAP1 on July 26, 2012, 11:13:45 PM
True, but I know sometimes those are mistaken for them.   More money for "Sensors".   :)

 yep.

 considering it's generally the dirtier running engines, with 4 of them, and fords tended to run dirtier than chevys, i put my gt up on the lift tonight. she's got 1 cat on each bank, just off the headers, which look almost like short tri-y's. then there's resonators downstream a bit, then the mufflers, out behind the axle. she's getting the shelby mufflers tomorrow. if i decide i can afford it, i'm getting a boss302 intermediate pipe with the side exiting exhaust, and electric cut outs.  :devil
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Masherbrum on July 26, 2012, 11:41:58 PM
yep.

 considering it's generally the dirtier running engines, with 4 of them, and fords tended to run dirtier than chevys, i put my gt up on the lift tonight. she's got 1 cat on each bank, just off the headers, which look almost like short tri-y's. then there's resonators downstream a bit, then the mufflers, out behind the axle. she's getting the shelby mufflers tomorrow. if i decide i can afford it, i'm getting a boss302 intermediate pipe with the side exiting exhaust, and electric cut outs.  :devil

BTW CAP, some Shelby exhausts are made by Borla.   Borla IIRC, made the exhausts for the Cobra and GT40's, Cobra-R's and now the GT500's.   Skuzzy might know more, but I believe Alex was one of the few who believed in Carroll from the get-go and stuck with him.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: CAP1 on July 27, 2012, 07:43:57 AM
BTW CAP, some Shelby exhausts are made by Borla.   Borla IIRC, made the exhausts for the Cobra and GT40's, Cobra-R's and now the GT500's.   Skuzzy might know more, but I believe Alex was one of the few who believed in Carroll from the get-go and stuck with him.


 cool!


 i took a sound clip of stock exhaust last night. when i get the new clamps(the o.e. clamps are tack welded to the o.e. mufflers and i don't want to take them off) i'll be getting them mounted up, and taking another clip.......
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: icepac on July 27, 2012, 09:17:30 AM
I guess all cars produced after 1996 are dirty running cars?
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: CAP1 on July 27, 2012, 09:37:00 AM
I guess all cars produced after 1996 are dirty running cars?

 look at the number of cats. the more cats, the dirtier it runs. verify by removing an ot sensor, or otherwise tapping into the exhaust before any of the cats. you'll be surprised.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: Karnak on July 27, 2012, 10:33:56 AM
I've never had any mechanical problems due to mud, but I did manage to get stuck in it once.  Hit some real soft mud on the driver's side and found myself at about a 45 degree tilt with water up to the door handle.  Had to get pulled out of that and the skid plate scooped up a bunch of mud.  That was fun to crawl under the truck in January weather with a hose to clean it out...

As far as switching to 4Hi and 4Lo, never had any balkyness from my Toyota.
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: VonMessa on July 27, 2012, 11:01:16 AM
I've never had any mechanical problems due to mud, but I did manage to get stuck in it once.  Hit some real soft mud on the driver's side and found myself at about a 45 degree tilt with water up to the door handle.  Had to get pulled out of that and the skid plate scooped up a bunch of mud.  That was fun to crawl under the truck in January weather with a hose to clean it out...

As far as switching to 4Hi and 4Lo, never had any balkyness from my Toyota.

We Jeep owners like to refer to that as a "shovel"   :D
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: icepac on July 27, 2012, 12:31:07 PM
look at the number of cats. the more cats, the dirtier it runs. verify by removing an ot sensor, or otherwise tapping into the exhaust before any of the cats. you'll be surprised.

I'm an emissions inspector and engine management specialist so I do this for a living.

So which engines are these "dirty" running engines?
Title: Re: Problem
Post by: CAP1 on July 27, 2012, 01:04:03 PM
I'm an emissions inspector and engine management specialist so I do this for a living.

So which engines are these "dirty" running engines?
so do i. look up a few posts. and to answer your question, no they don't run dirtier. they just don't run significantly cleaner either. 4 cats are not required due to obd2 either