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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: tuton25 on August 29, 2012, 11:44:01 AM
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A mosquito with better armour and one big 57mm cannon
a video for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M00f5RxhxLY&list=PLEF44F53CBA5BACAF&feature=mh_lolz
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A mosquito with better armour and one big 57mm cannon
a video for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M00f5RxhxLY&list=PLEF44F53CBA5BACAF&feature=mh_lolz
Half a ton of armour and a ton of gun. That'll be lovely to fly
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I think we have something like this in game Im not sure tho. What would we even use it for?
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It was intended as a anti-tank but modified for the anti-shipping role
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I prefer the current bomsight variant once light for dogfighting. It has the power and lightness to handle quite well. If you see one flying low and you're in a 190, watch out.
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I prefer the current bomsight variant once light for dogfighting. It has the power and lightness to handle quite well. If you see one flying low and you're in a 190, watch out.
Care to explain????
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Half a ton of armour and a ton of gun. That'll be lovely to fly
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When it had the role of using a big gun in long shallow dives vs a really slow and big target it really doesn't need to be twinkle toes in the acrobatic department. :aok
I think it might be kind of fun to tinker with, I bet it isn't any worse to fly than the 75mm armed B25H.
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I think it might be kind of fun to tinker with, I bet it isn't any worse to fly than the 75mm armed B25H.
Probable fast but with less punch
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Care to explain????
Once light, get aggressive with enemy fighters and try to force them to auger. Worst case Ontario you slow them down for you friends to make easier work of.
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theres something about the bomber mossie that makes it a less than ideal dogfighter ...
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It handles better with no guns. It's easier to get on someone's 6 this way.
Odds are they won't notice you're not flying with guns.
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what do you hurt them with, harsh language? :headscratch:
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See above, force an auger or slow them down to be killed by friendlies quickly.
Plus it's fun to make an La pilot wonder how you just did that.
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Probable fast but with less punch
More punch as it would be firing AP rounds instead of HE rounds.
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+1 to the tse-tse.
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:noid You could also find me hunting buffs with this thing :noid
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+1 has to be better than the 410.... :D
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:noid You could also find me hunting buffs with this thing :noid
Remember that it has the same low blown Merlin 25s that the Mosquito Mk VI has.
+1 has to be better than the 410.... :D
Well, of course. Its a Mosquito.
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It handles better with no guns. It's easier to get on someone's 6 this way.
Odds are they won't notice you're not flying with guns.
Other than the icon directly giving away the fact that it doesnt have guns, sure I bet they wont notice :rolleyes:
Now I don't always dogfight in a mossie, but when I do i prefer the one with the guns. :D
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+1 has to be better than the 410.... :D
it would act as the British Me 410
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it would act as the British Me 410
Well, not really. In AH it would be strictly an anti-tank aircraft, and at that it would likely be the best in the game against the tougher tanks.
It would also be tougher, faster and more maneuverable than the Me410.
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it would act as the British Me 410
Someone hand me a fish so I can hit him along side his head.... Do NOT insult the Mossi or the British like that again. ;)
Also... keep in mind the differences in ammo fired between the two: the Me410 we have as the 50mm armed with HE and not AP, while the 57mm on the Tse Tse (which is a huge fly known for its bite from Africa, btw), is armed with AP for use in the anti-shipping/anti-submarine role, iirc.
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You guys fight with fish a lot do ya? :rofl :neener: :ahand
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You guys fight with fish a lot do ya? :rofl :neener: :ahand
No...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCwLirQS2-o
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I want one.
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Hs 129 with the BK 7,5.
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Hs 129 with the BK 7,5.
A complete pig that could barely fly.
You know, you don't need to toejam on every wishlist post for a non-German unit with your incessant demands for only German units to be added.
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A complete pig that could barely fly.
You know, you don't need to toejam on every wishlist post for a non-German unit with your incessant demands for only German units to be added.
Better gun than the 57mm. Unless the tse-tse used APDS rounds, anyway, althoug I've never heard of it using them.
Depending on how hard-hitting they model the 57mm rounds (look at how the 37mm rounds for the BK 37 were), the Hs 129 would be a more effective tank-buster, particularly against heavyily armored units like the Tiger I and II, or the IS-2 if we ever get it.
We're talking like 82mm of penetration vs 136mm. Thats a big difference.
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Better gun than the 57mm. Unless the tse-tse used APDS rounds, anyway, althoug I've never heard of it using them.
Depending on how hard-hitting they model the 57mm rounds (look at how the 37mm rounds for the BK 37 were), the Hs 129 would be a more effective tank-buster, particularly against heavyily armored units like the Tiger I and II, or the IS-2 if we ever get it.
We're talking like 82mm of penetration vs 136mm. Thats a big difference.
Except you might as well be flying a Lancaster. Because that's how it's going to perform, if not even worse.
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Except you might as well be flying a Lancaster. Because that's how it's going to perform, if not even worse.
Yeah and the B-25H does so well in a long gentle slope dive towards a tank.
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Better gun than the 57mm. Unless the tse-tse used APDS rounds, anyway, althoug I've never heard of it using them.
Depending on how hard-hitting they model the 57mm rounds (look at how the 37mm rounds for the BK 37 were), the Hs 129 would be a more effective tank-buster, particularly against heavyily armored units like the Tiger I and II, or the IS-2 if we ever get it.
We're talking like 82mm of penetration vs 136mm. Thats a big difference.
Once again, take your "German only" roadkill and start a thread asking for it.
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The German weapon would probably preform better, and its roadkill now, for mentioning it in a thread about an allied equivelant?
Would the tse-tse be fun? Yes, and eventually I'd like to see it. But the Hs 129 would be more effective.
If the Tse-Tse DID use APDS rounds.... well, we might even see a perked tank-buster with it.
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The German weapon would probably preform better, and its roadkill now, for mentioning it in a thread about an allied equivelant?
Would the tse-tse be fun? Yes, and eventually I'd like to see it. But the Hs 129 would be more effective.
If the Tse-Tse DID use APDS rounds.... well, we might even see a perked tank-buster with it.
How? You'll get raped the moment a fighter shows up, even a 40 ENY one. At least with the other anti tanks, you have a chance against some of the weaker ones.
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The German weapon would probably preform better, and its roadkill now, for mentioning it in a thread about an allied equivelant?
Would the tse-tse be fun? Yes, and eventually I'd like to see it. But the Hs 129 would be more effective.
If the Tse-Tse DID use APDS rounds.... well, we might even see a perked tank-buster with it.
FYI, "roadkill" was what the BBS substituted for what I actually wrote.
Fact: The Hs129 could barely fly with the BK 7,5. It was underpowered from the start and with the 75mm gun dangerously so.
While the gun is better than the Mollins 57mm it is crippled by being attached to the Hs129. If the two aircraft were both added I guarantee that the Mosquito Mk XVIII would see vastly higher usage than the Hs129 simply due to the fact that the Mosquito airframe is vastly more capable than the Hs129 airframe. The gun does you no good if you cannot bring it to bear on the target.
Now, drop your hijack and start your own pro-Hs129 thread.
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How? You'll get raped the moment a fighter shows up, even a 40 ENY one. At least with the other anti tanks, you have a chance against some of the weaker ones.
Someone apparently didn't even bother to fly 1 sortie in a Me-410. He-129 is going to perform so much better except for the fact any given 40 eny plane in Aces High will school it with a 10k alt loss.
Here's some info and I don't even need to bother checking data for it:
Hs 129 C
In order to address the poor performance of the aircraft, plans had been underway for some time to fit the plane with newer versions of the Italian Isotta-Fraschini Delta engine that delivered 630 kW (850 hp). The engine installation ran into a number of delays however, and was still not ready for production when the plant was overrun by the Allies in 1945.
Fly the B-25H, go attack a ground vehicle or get attacked by an Aircraft.. In your previous posts you mentioned how you shot down many many planes in a Stuka - i'd like to see you tank-ace live and shoot down any tanks/aircrafts in an Hs-129.
fact is last time I checked you didn't even have ONE Ju-87 kill after you bragged on the BBS about "able to turn fight" MANY opponents. You argued time and time again, and I checked the logs - I ACTUALLY logged a kill in the ju-87, you haven't logged one kill in the Ju-87 (vs an aircraft) PERIOD.
maybe someone needs to go back to find the thread where I debunked this, I was a bit surprised I had even 1 kill in a Ju-87 (air to air). But the mighty ace Jaeger didn't even have one period.
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Someone apparently didn't even bother to fly 1 sortie in a Me-410. He-129 is going to perform so much better except for the fact any given 40 eny plane in Aces High will school it with a 10k alt loss.
Here's some info and I don't even need to bother checking data for it:
Fly the B-25H, go attack a ground vehicle or get attacked by an Aircraft.. In your previous posts you mentioned how you shot down many many planes in a Stuka - i'd like to see you tank-ace live and shoot down any tanks/aircrafts in an Hs-129.
fact is last time I checked you didn't even have ONE Ju-87 kill after you bragged on the BBS about "able to turn fight" MANY opponents. You argued time and time again, and I checked the logs - I ACTUALLY logged a kill in the ju-87, you haven't logged one kill in the Ju-87 (vs an aircraft) PERIOD.
maybe someone needs to go back to find the thread where I debunked this, I was a bit surprised I had even 1 kill in a Ju-87 (air to air). But the mighty ace Jaeger didn't even have one period.
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On a side note, Butcher vs Tank Ace, round #12,356...BEGIN!
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The Mosquito Mk XVIII was powered by two Rolls-Royce Merlin 25s each producing 1,640hp.
The Hs129 was powered by two Gnome-Rhône 14M 4/5s each producing 700hp.
That is 3,280hp for the Mosquito and 1,400hp for the Hs129.
Have fun trying to lug a 75mm gun on 1,400hp.
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You better get to bed, you work an an ice cream shop now - need to save that arm for filling ice cream scoops. Don't worry if that arm gets tired just switch over - even if the other is already tired from daily activity:)
Oh yeah...
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You better get to bed, you work an an ice cream shop now - need to save that arm for filling ice cream scoops. Don't worry if that arm gets tired just switch over - even if the other is already tired from daily activity:)
Oh yeah...
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You should get to bed old man...your arms must be tired of the hourly you know what sessions. Or else no ice cream cones for you fat man. :old:
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Fly the B-25H, go attack a ground vehicle or get attacked by an Aircraft.. In your previous posts you mentioned how you shot down many many planes in a Stuka - i'd like to see you tank-ace live and shoot down any tanks/aircrafts in an Hs-129.
Will it be more vulnerable to fighters? Hell yes. But it would be just about the only thing in the inventory that can reguarly and reliably knock out Tigers and KT's.
fact is last time I checked you didn't even have ONE Ju-87 kill after you bragged on the BBS about "able to turn fight" MANY opponents. You argued time and time again, and I checked the logs - I ACTUALLY logged a kill in the ju-87, you haven't logged one kill in the Ju-87 (vs an aircraft) PERIOD.
maybe someone needs to go back to find the thread where I debunked this, I was a bit surprised I had even 1 kill in a Ju-87 (air to air). But the mighty ace Jaeger didn't even have one period.
Check under the names 49Jager or 49Nem.
Not saying it was a fair fight; I had started with at least 5k alt at the bottom of my dive and was fighting fresh up aircraft (I had just bombed the VH, and the ordnance bunkers). But I did tangle with a typhoon, a P-51 and a spitfire of an unknown model. I killed the P-51 and I think oiled the typhoon so he had to land. Can't remember if I got the kill on him or not.
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Alot of the posts say that this won't handle well in a dogfight on the deck (where it will be most of the time), but you have to remember that this is not a fighter. It is a ground attack plane and should be treated as such. If you want a fighter mossie I suggest the Mk. 2 or 30. These are lighter and faster than the Mk 6 we have.
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Alot of the posts say that this won't handle well in a dogfight on the deck (where it will be most of the time), but you have to remember that this is not a fighter. It is a ground attack plane and should be treated as such. If you want a fighter mossie I suggest the Mk. 2 or 30. These are lighter and faster than the Mk 6 we have.
The Mk II was a bit lighter due to a weaker wing spar and less fuel tanks, but it was most certainly not faster than the Mk VI, probably about 30-35mph slower on the deck. The Mk 30 is faster up high, slower down low as compared to the Mk VI and probably not significantly lighter or heavier than the Mk VI.
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More punch as it would be firing AP rounds instead of HE rounds.
1 British 3in/60 Pdr rocket does 187 HE damage. 1 AP round from %75 of the 75 and 76mm AP rounds do 78 lbs damage. Once could estimate that the 57mm AP round would do LESS than 78 lbs of damage vs an OBJ. Granted, there is no real way of measuring which one would be more effective vs a ship, but may I suggest trying a few runs against a fleet using the Me410 and the 50mm HE that does 50 lbs of damage and see how that goes?
The Tse Tse would be fun to play with, but again I'm not sure what it would be good at. Maybe busting gv's, but that is anyone's guess.
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1 British 3in/60 Pdr rocket does 187 HE damage. 1 AP round from %75 of the 75 and 76mm AP rounds do 78 lbs damage. Once could estimate that the 57mm AP round would do LESS than 78 lbs of damage vs an OBJ. Granted, there is no real way of measuring which one would be more effective vs a ship, but may I suggest trying a few runs against a fleet using the Me410 and the 50mm HE that does 50 lbs of damage and see how that goes?
The Tse Tse would be fun to play with, but again I'm not sure what it would be good at. Maybe busting gv's, but that is anyone's guess.
Nobody should be using the 50mm or 57mm guns against anything larger than a gun emplacement. They should be, primarily, for anti-GV work and for that the armor penetration on the 57mm AP will be significantly better than the 75mm HE.
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The 57mm cannon was full auto unlike the german 50mm (I think) so it could be used similarly to the Il-2's 37mm guns
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The 57mm cannon was full auto unlike the german 50mm (I think) so it could be used similarly to the Il-2's 37mm guns
The German 50mm is full auto. All that means is it fires at is maximum cyclic rate if the trigger is held down. The 57mm Molins gun had a rate of fire of slightly better than one round per second if I recall correctly.
The B-25's 75mm, on the other hand, was manually loaded and could not be operated in any kind of maneuvering situation.
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The German 50mm is full auto. All that means is it fires at is maximum cyclic rate if the trigger is held down. The 57mm Molins gun had a rate of fire of slightly better than one round per second if I recall correctly.
The B-25's 75mm, on the other hand, was manually loaded and could not be operated in any kind of maneuvering situation.
Correct, correct, and correct. The term "full auto" is a bit over used, many think it means a high rate of fire when all it actually means is one trigger pull = multiple shots.
I know I wouldn't want to be the reloader in a B25H when in maneuvers, the poor fellow would be bouncing from wall to wall holding a 75mm HE in his hands trying to load the breach. :D
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I can track GV's in a 410 without problems
With the added armour the mosquito xviii would be wirble killing machine!!!
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Check under the names 49Jager or 49Nem.
OOOoohhh, I thought you were PNG as Nemisis.
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The German 50mm is full auto. All that means is it fires at is maximum cyclic rate if the trigger is held down. The 57mm Molins gun had a rate of fire of slightly better than one round per second if I recall correctly.
The B-25's 75mm, on the other hand, was manually loaded and could not be operated in any kind of maneuvering situation.
All the videos of the 57mm gun make it seem that it shoots faster than the german 50mm. I just hope they don't modle the relibility issues.....
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1 British 3in/60 Pdr rocket does 187 HE damage. 1 AP round from %75 of the 75 and 76mm AP rounds do 78 lbs damage. Once could estimate that the 57mm AP round would do LESS than 78 lbs of damage vs an OBJ. Granted, there is no real way of measuring which one would be more effective vs a ship, but may I suggest trying a few runs against a fleet using the Me410 and the 50mm HE that does 50 lbs of damage and see how that goes?
The Tse Tse would be fun to play with, but again I'm not sure what it would be good at. Maybe busting gv's, but that is anyone's guess.
The Mollins is supposed to have a significantly better armor penetration than the German 50mm. They sunk ships with that cannon. It was also used in air to air a few times, including in dogfights against 109s and 190s, but if I remember correctly its only flying victim was a Ju88. The rockets were indeed found to be much more effective and the numerous MK VI could carry them.
In AH the XVIII will be used against GV and as a de-acker as it will be able to snipe the ack position from a much greater distance than the 20mm. The added armor may help a little against the auto acks and GV fire up to 20mm. I doubt it will survive an Ostie 37mm hit.
Personally, I'd love to see it, as well as the Mossie XXX model. The latter will be inferior to the Mossie VI right on the deck, but I suspect that already at 10k it will start to be superior. It is a much better bomber hunter than the VI.
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The Mk 30 was intended to be a high altitude nightfighter/daytime escourt
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+2!
Mossies are cool. We like more.
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The mossie is my bird so any and all would be nice....
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Now HTC, how about this one......
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Now HTC, how about this one......
Nah. I understand the draw to it though. It would be fun to tinker with but it offers nothing new to AH, really. Now a Wellington, or a Beaufighter, or D520, or Tu-2, etc.... THEN we're talking. :aok
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Negative ghost rider, the pattern is full.
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Going back to an earlier post... I tooka MKXVI Mossie dogfighting in the DA. At distance both mossie's ID as a "MOSS" and it's only close up that it distinguishes between the two.
It was good fun seeing all the aircraft scatter! Light she makes a great dogfighter and ties people up, pity that there's not even a peashooter!
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+1 to the TSE TSE.
I can't look cool killing gvs with that 410 cannon with the mossie I can. :rock
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A complete pig that could barely fly.
You know, you don't need to toejam on every wishlist post for a non-German unit with your incessant demands for only German units to be added.
...and you know that how... its your wealth of knowledge or you read in a book <unlikly>... maybe you used to fly them?
Then quit toe jamming every thread like you do. We dont need another mossi for a long while.
We need the Dewoitine D520 :aok
incessant French demand,
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...and you know that how... its your wealth of knowledge or you read in a book <unlikly>... maybe you used to fly them?
Yes, read it in a book. Sorry, but the Hs129 was not well liked and it was not a very good airplane. Putting the 75mm cannon on it made it an outright dangerous airplane to its own pilot. There were also more Mosquito Mk XVIII built than Hs129 with the 75mm cannon and those Mosquitoes were far, far, far more successful. Asking Tank-Ace not to spam threads about non-German stuff with posts about German stuff is not unreasonable.
Then quit toe jamming every thread like you do. We dont need another mossi for a long while.
I did not start this thread, nor have I said the Mossie XVIII should be added anywhere in it. I acknowledge that I would like to see it, but, as I've said before, I can't justify supporting its addition given its low production numbers. At least not until an awful lot of other aircraft are added before it.
And is it really shocking for me to comment in a Mossie thread? There are one or two guys on this board who are more knowledgeable about the Mossie than I am, but that still leaves me near the top for supplying data on them and it was simply data which I was supplying in this thread until Tank-Ace tried to hijack it with his "Only German stuff should be added." fetish.
We need the Dewoitine D520 :aok
incessant French demand,
I have advocated for the D.520, but in the appropriate threads for it.
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Yes, read it in a book. Sorry, but the Hs129 was not well liked and it was not a very good airplane.
There were also more Mosquito Mk XVIII built than Hs129 with the 75mm cannon
There are one or two guys on this board who are more knowledgeable about the Mossie than I am, but that still leaves me near the top for supplying data on them and it was simply data which I was supplying in this thread until
What Book?
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17 Mosquito FB Mk.XVIII < 25 Hs-129B-3 Panzerjager Hs-129 by Martin Peeg
Shipbuster: Mosquito Mk XVIII “Tse-tse” an operational history’ by Alex Crawford
Supply some data on this plane
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27 Mossie XVIIIs were built, some were converted from FB.MK VIs, which is where the confusion on numbers comes from.
There were 17 total source? I will include the test versions so 31 Hs-129 with the 75
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There were 17 total source?
Mosquito by Sharp and Bowman.
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I stick withthe guy who researched it specifically thanks :)
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The German 50mm is full auto. All that means is it fires at is maximum cyclic rate if the trigger is held down. The 57mm Molins gun had a rate of fire of slightly better than one round per second if I recall correctly.
The B-25's 75mm, on the other hand, was manually loaded and could not be operated in any kind of maneuvering situation.
I was insinuating that it had a higher rat of fire.....
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Holy necro bump!!!!
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Holy necro bump!!!!
So????