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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: tuton25 on September 16, 2012, 02:24:26 PM
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wing tanks would be connected....
other than that would make things easy
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:huh
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The way fuel is loaded, with few exceptions such as the rear tank in the P-51, has far, far more effect in people's minds than it actually has on the handling of the aircraft in the game. It is a greatly exaggerated explanation/excuse for why somebody won or lost.
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fill and drain them in the historical order, and no drop tanks without 100% internal :aok
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The mossie is one that is greatly effected my the fuel tanks
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The mossie is one that is greatly effected my the fuel tanks
Nope. People claim it is, but that is false.
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I think the difference of 400 lbs between 3/4 and 1/2 and again at 1/4 fuel makes a pretty big difference in the pony Karnak.
In this case I think you have it backwards by discounting the advantage you took into combat you will 'feel' like a better stick than you are. :devil
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I think the difference of 400 lbs between 3/4 and 1/2 and again at 1/4 fuel makes a pretty big difference in the pony Karnak.
That isn't what is being talked about here though. They are talking about how the fuel is loaded into the tanks. The Pony is one of the few that have a tank where it does matter, namely the rear tank having more than 50% full introduces significant instability to the Pony.
Nobody is talking about the sheer weight differences of taking 25%, 50%, 75% or 100% fuel. The Mossie VI I like to fly is carrying about 3500lbs of fuel if you take 100% fuel, so of course selecting 50% has a noticeable effect. However which tanks that 50% is loaded into and in what ratios makes almost no difference at all.
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That isn't what is being talked about here though. They are talking about how the fuel is loaded into the tanks. The Pony is one of the few that have a tank where it does matter, namely the rear tank having more than 50% full introduces significant instability to the Pony.
Nobody is talking about the sheer weight differences of taking 25%, 50%, 75% or 100% fuel. The Mossie VI I like to fly is carrying about 3500lbs of fuel if you take 100% fuel, so of course selecting 50% has a noticeable effect. However which tanks that 50% is loaded into and in what ratios makes almost no difference at all.
it does in some airplanes where the wings are the last tanks to be emptied and the center/rear is the first to go. that's why a lot of pilots will manually empty partially or fully the wings so it can turn easier one way or the other depending on the airplane.
semp
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it does in some airplanes where the wings are the last tanks to be emptied and the center/rear is the first to go. that's why a lot of pilots will manually empty partially or fully the wings so it can turn easier one way or the other depending on the airplane.
semp
thats how the F4U-1A hog is I empty the wing tanks first before anything else it turns much easier without them dang wingtanks full
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it does in some airplanes where the wings are the last tanks to be emptied and the center/rear is the first to go. that's why a lot of pilots will manually empty partially or fully the wings so it can turn easier one way or the other depending on the airplane.
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No, it really doesn't. Players claim it does, but it really doesn't.
There are a few exceptions, well, at least one exception, but I see it claimed for many aircraft in which it does not make a difference. Things like the C.205 and Mosquito Mk VI are claimed to be sensitive to it, but they really aren't.
thats how the F4U-1A hog is I empty the wing tanks first before anything else it turns much easier without them dang wingtanks full
Nope. It should accelerate into a roll slightly faster, but that is all.
Think about it. How would that help it turn? The weight doesn't change and the wing tanks are near the center of gravity.
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That isn't what is being talked about here though. They are talking about how the fuel is loaded into the tanks. The Pony is one of the few that have a tank where it does matter, namely the rear tank having more than 50% full introduces significant instability to the Pony.
Nobody is talking about the sheer weight differences of taking 25%, 50%, 75% or 100% fuel. The Mossie VI I like to fly is carrying about 3500lbs of fuel if you take 100% fuel, so of course selecting 50% has a noticeable effect. However which tanks that 50% is loaded into and in what ratios makes almost no difference at all.
Its not that I dont disagree with you . . . hehe . . . but how you could tell what this fellow was meaning in his contribution I cant tell. And so I had to clear up what I took away from what you meant. :devil
Perfectly clear . . . right?
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No, it really doesn't. Players claim it does, but it really doesn't.
There are a few exceptions, well, at least one exception, but I see it claimed for many aircraft in which it does not make a difference. Things like the C.205 and Mosquito Mk VI are claimed to be sensitive to it, but they really aren't.
Nope. It should accelerate into a roll slightly faster, but that is all.
Think about it. How would that help it turn? The weight doesn't change and the wing tanks are near the center of gravity.
there would be less weight think about it.......... ;)
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Absolutely nothing wrong with fuel burn we have now. If you can't manage to fly with 50% gas anyway, what difference will it make switching which tanks get the gas? Absolutely nothing.
Honestly I used to drain "rear" tank of a 190A would make a big difference, or Top or Bottom of tanks in Spitfire, in reality you arn't gaining anything from it - people assume they do because they have some spotted luck with it.
Fast forward 6 years later - I haven't messed with draining my tanks period, only in certain aircraft like the F4u - only because the main tank seems to always get hit, so I leave a little gas in my wings so I can make it home in case I get hit.
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Absolutely nothing wrong with fuel burn we have now. If you can't manage to fly with 50% gas anyway, what difference will it make switching which tanks get the gas? Absolutely nothing.
Honestly I used to drain "rear" tank of a 190A would make a big difference, or Top or Bottom of tanks in Spitfire, in reality you arn't gaining anything from it - people assume they do because they have some spotted luck with it.
Fast forward 6 years later - I haven't messed with draining my tanks period, only in certain aircraft like the F4u - only because the main tank seems to always get hit, so I leave a little gas in my wings so I can make it home in case I get hit.
That F4U LOVES to draw bullets to it's main tank. Like there is a bullet magnet... :noid
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there would be less weight think about it.......... ;)
No, there would not be. If you burn 50 gallons of fuel to get to the fight you burn 50 gallons. Burning it from the wings doesn't make you burn 55 gallons instead.
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That F4U LOVES to draw bullets to it's main tank. Like there is a bullet magnet... :noid
The bullet magnet fitted to the F4 is a smaller and less powerful version of the uber bullet magnet attached to the front of 262 engines :old:
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The bullet magnet fitted to the F4 is a smaller and less powerful version of the uber bullet magnet attached to the front of 262 engines :old:
...or the magnet that is attached to the PILOT in a 190 F8... :bhead
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fill and drain them in the historical order, and no drop tanks without 100% internal :aok
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No, there would not be. If you burn 50 gallons of fuel to get to the fight you burn 50 gallons. Burning it from the wings doesn't make you burn 55 gallons instead.
its still less weigth no matter the way you look at it you burn the tanks your lighter thus meaning more mavurable thus meaning you can stay alive longer and get more kills...........lets do some math here a gallon weigths 8lbs whats 8x50 karnak....................... ..400lbs your 400lbs lighter than you were when you took off I'd rather be 400lbs lighter when I engage the target than 400lbs heavier
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its still less weigth no matter the way you look at it you burn the tanks your lighter thus meaning more mavurable thus meaning you can stay alive longer and get more kills...........lets do some math here a gallon weigths 8lbs whats 8x50 karnak....................... ..400lbs your 400lbs lighter than you were when you took off I'd rather be 400lbs lighter when I engage the target than 400lbs heavier
you'll get it eventually.. :rock
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its still less weigth no matter the way you look at it you burn the tanks your lighter thus meaning more mavurable thus meaning you can stay alive longer and get more kills...........lets do some math here a gallon weigths 8lbs whats 8x50 karnak....................... ..400lbs your 400lbs lighter than you were when you took off I'd rather be 400lbs lighter when I engage the target than 400lbs heavier
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Try again.
Your initial claim was that the F4U would turn better if you burned the fuel from the wing tanks instead of the main tank and had nothing to do with the total taken at the start. You have changed your argument and are now talking about taking less fuel at the start and claiming my point disproving your first claim has been refuted, but my argument had nothing to do with your second argument.
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its still less weigth no matter the way you look at it you burn the tanks your lighter thus meaning more mavurable thus meaning you can stay alive longer and get more kills...........lets do some math here a gallon weigths 8lbs whats 8x50 karnak....................... ..400lbs your 400lbs lighter than you were when you took off I'd rather be 400lbs lighter when I engage the target than 400lbs heavier
Avgas is 6lb a gallon.
And you may wish to read Karnaks post. All he is saying is that it dosn't make much difference where you loose your "400lb" from, of course it matters that you lost it.
HiTech
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I think where this topic went horribly off course, and this is what eric19 was initally trying to say: in the case of the F4u-1a the fuel tanks are filled like this:
25% of gas you have half your main tank filled.
50% of gas you have 3/4 of your main tank filled.
75% of gas you have 1/4 of your wing tanks filled, your main tank is full.
100% of gas you have 100% of wing tanks filled and your main tank is full.
What he wants to do is instead of taking 50% of gas in your main tank initially, to be able to move that 50% to wing tanks.. I think is what he is trying to ask.
Which is why I am totally confused because as he pointed out - he wants to be able to move fuel around, but if you look above ^ the main fuel tank gets filled first before the wings, I think he's confusing with the wing tanks being filled before teh main tank.
Here's his comment:
thats how the F4U-1A hog is I empty the wing tanks first before anything else it turns much easier without them dang wingtanks full
Simply taking way to much fuel for such a short fight, you need to learn throttle control and take far less gas, I never take more then 75% in an F4u-1a or 100% only in a F4u-4.
Only reason I take 75% and NO drop tank in an F4u-1a is because if the main tank gets hit you run empty, I like to leave a little gas in the wing tanks just in case - in the f4u-4 you don't have that option with only one Main Tank.
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doesnt the 1A empty the wing tanks before the main tank by default anyway? :headscratch:
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I'd love to see someone fill up only one side of the airplane :lol that would be way out of cg :lol
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I'd love to see someone fill up only one side of the airplane :lol that would be way out of cg :lol
Depends entirely on the airplane. Some might be entertaining and a chellenge, others might not even sit on a runway with all three wheeles touching.
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Reminds me of a few years back I seen a video of a Crane trying to crawl up onto a trailer, it was a massive crane and they used some kind of military trailer for it. Except the fact the trailer was on a slight incline, and the weight of the monster tipped the trailer and the crane on its side.
Makes it even funnier the crane was specially made some kind of custom super crane and just out of the factory, hate to be the poor guy who got in trouble for that.
Can't remember if it was in Russian or not, but it wasn't english.
Probably one of the millions of youtube "Fail" videos, heh.
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I think where this topic went horribly off course, and this is what eric19 was initally trying to say: in the case of the F4u-1a the fuel tanks are filled like this:
25% of gas you have half your main tank filled.
50% of gas you have 3/4 of your main tank filled.
75% of gas you have 1/4 of your wing tanks filled, your main tank is full.
100% of gas you have 100% of wing tanks filled and your main tank is full.
What he wants to do is instead of taking 50% of gas in your main tank initially, to be able to move that 50% to wing tanks.. I think is what he is trying to ask.
Which is why I am totally confused because as he pointed out - he wants to be able to move fuel around, but if you look above ^ the main fuel tank gets filled first before the wings, I think he's confusing with the wing tanks being filled before teh main tank.
Here's his comment:
thats how the F4U-1A hog is I empty the wing tanks first before anything else it turns much easier without them dang wingtanks full
Simply taking way to much fuel for such a short fight, you need to learn throttle control and take far less gas, I never take more then 75% in an F4u-1a or 100% only in a F4u-4.
Only reason I take 75% and NO drop tank in an F4u-1a is because if the main tank gets hit you run empty, I like to leave a little gas in the wing tanks just in case - in the f4u-4 you don't have that option with only one Main Tank.
I don't normally take more than 75 unless I'm doing high cap over a cv which in that case my point is irrelevent sorry for confusing you butcher............I do try to manage my fuel but sometimes I just screw it all up oh and thanks for the AV gas there HT I had no idea it was lighter than regular gallons or whatever the word I'm looking for................
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Ithanks for the AV gas there HT I had no idea it was lighter than regular gallons or whatever the word I'm looking for................
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gallon is a measure of volume not weight. i
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I don't normally take more than 75 unless I'm doing high cap over a cv which in that case my point is irrelevent sorry for confusing you butcher............I do try to manage my fuel but sometimes I just screw it all up oh and thanks for the AV gas there HT I had no idea it was lighter than regular gallons or whatever the word I'm looking for................
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Best advice I can offer, is talk to some of the veteran pilots who fly strictly one or two planes, these guys can tell you the fuel loads, for aircrafts - for example I almost never take drop tanks - not in the main arena unless I am doing some kind of mission.
For High capping a CV, i'd climb to 17k for example - throttle back bit time to cruise speed (assuming they come in from 7-14k) - gives you plenty of loiter time and allows you to conserve fuel, when you throttle open and dive you can pick up your speed to make attacks.
Really it comes down to experience, everyone has their own deal - I for example rather take 100% in a 38 (far to much if you ask me) but really I like to climb out to 15k (no DT means no drag on climb rate or speed) - I burn up a good portion of gas just probing the situation and picking my tagets out, when I get down in gas I can furball. (Please 38 pilots dont slap me)
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doesnt the 1A empty the wing tanks before the main tank by default anyway? :headscratch:
I haven't been on auto fuel in a while but at 100% I know it'll at least burn 75% of the main tank before doing anything. That's when I usually catch it. I want the wings more or less empty so I can't use the auto burn.
Having the wings empty seems to makes sense if you're going to get into any kind of scissors. Dunno if it helps but it can't hurt.
Although I do always keep a quarter in the left wing tank for when I get main fueled.
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I haven't been on auto fuel in a while but at 100% I know it'll at least burn 75% of the main tank before doing anything. That's when I usually catch it. I want the wings more or less empty so I can't use the auto burn.
Having the wings empty seems to makes sense if you're going to get into any kind of scissors. Dunno if it helps but it can't hurt.
Although I do always keep a quarter in the left wing tank for when I get main fueled.
Shiv I know you are a Corsair Guru, maybe you can wish we have the WINGS on auto burn first?
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Shiv I know you are a Corsair Guru, maybe you can wish we have the WINGS on auto burn first?
No guru, I just can't fly anything else. And I like the burn the way it is. If there is an edge to be had, I'd like to have it:)