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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAP1 on September 19, 2012, 08:26:08 PM
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those were the first words out of a customers mouth this morning as he pulls up in his 86 dodge ramcharger. i go out to look at it. as we're walking out to the truck, he goes "i didn't hit anything this time. no curbs, no holes, nuthin'. it just went flat." we get to the truck, and he opens the rear hatch(and holds it, 'cause he won't replace the struts to hold it). i pull the tire out, and see this.....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8436/8004789919_3043a9faf5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/8004789919/)
tire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/8004789919/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
i tell him....you whacked a curb dude, pointing at the evidence. he denies it of course............ :bhead i WISH i had my voice recorder running to record the entire conversation......
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Just prior to the tire going flat, was heard from inside the vehicle, "hold my beer and watch this".
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Just prior to the tire going flat, was heard from inside the vehicle, "hold my beer and watch this".
:rofl
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The guy may well have been padding his story.
On the other hand I have a bit of a bias about tire companies myself. I had a bad tire on my trailer (RV). I'm obsessive about tire pressure. It gets checked every day before I take the rig on the road, even if it's just across the campground. I keep it at max pressure because it's a heavy rig but well under the max load of the tires. I also check the tires for excess heat at every stop on the highway, about every 100 to 150 miles of 60 to 63 MPH speed.
We stopped at a park on a rainy day last August. We smelled burning rubber but had no idea from where. The next morning I check tires and find one of the tires with less than 15k miles on it is no longer flat across the tread but it is bulged in the center all the way around. The edge of the tread is wrinkled where it meets the sidewall and there is a spot where they was melted rubber poking out. This is a rear tire. No curbs, major potholes or road problems yet I have a tread separating. It still has 125 PSI the max recommended pressure. I take it to the tire shop after swapping it out and the guy doesn't even let me take it off the truck. He just says that I ran it under inflated and it's not a warranty issue. If I don't like his opinion I can take it up with Goodyear, then he walks away.
These are not cheap tires, about $430 a pop now. They are commercial grade 17.5" H rated trailer tires. Good year had a major problem with their earlier trailer tires a G rated 16" tires a few years back. It seems like these are doing the same thing.
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And this is why I wouldn't do what you do Cap. Don't get me wrong...I love to twist wrenches, do it for a living as a matter of fact, but having to deal with the stupid public would drive me nuts.
And Maverick, after a couple of lines into your post I was wondering whether those were Goodyears or not. :lol I had similar problems with that brand myself in the past. Over priced junk if ya ask me. I never buy Goodyear again. And haven't for 10 or 15 years now.
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I bought some Douglas GT truck tires before. Never again.
Out of two, one developed bulge in the tread and that could be felt while driving and was considered defective when I took it back in. The replacement they gave me did the exact same thing. Ended up replacing them with Tracker II tires and no problems since then
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The guy may well have been padding his story.
On the other hand I have a bit of a bias about tire companies myself. I had a bad tire on my trailer (RV). I'm obsessive about tire pressure. It gets checked every day before I take the rig on the road, even if it's just across the campground. I keep it at max pressure because it's a heavy rig but well under the max load of the tires. I also check the tires for excess heat at every stop on the highway, about every 100 to 150 miles of 60 to 63 MPH speed.
We stopped at a park on a rainy day last August. We smelled burning rubber but had no idea from where. The next morning I check tires and find one of the tires with less than 15k miles on it is no longer flat across the tread but it is bulged in the center all the way around. The edge of the tread is wrinkled where it meets the sidewall and there is a spot where they was melted rubber poking out. This is a rear tire. No curbs, major potholes or road problems yet I have a tread separating. It still has 125 PSI the max recommended pressure. I take it to the tire shop after swapping it out and the guy doesn't even let me take it off the truck. He just says that I ran it under inflated and it's not a warranty issue. If I don't like his opinion I can take it up with Goodyear, then he walks away.
These are not cheap tires, about $430 a pop now. They are commercial grade 17.5" H rated trailer tires. Good year had a major problem with their earlier trailer tires a G rated 16" tires a few years back. It seems like these are doing the same thing.
that sounds like a real butwipe of a service guy that you had to deal with. there is such a thing as defective tires, and what you describe sounds like just that.
And this is why I wouldn't do what you do Cap. Don't get me wrong...I love to twist wrenches, do it for a living as a matter of fact, but having to deal with the stupid public would drive me nuts.
it's something that i am VERY surprised that i got good at. I bought some Douglas GT truck tires before. Never again.
Out of two, one developed bulge in the tread and that could be felt while driving and was considered defective when I took it back in. The replacement they gave me did the exact same thing. Ended up replacing them with Tracker II tires and no problems since then
those guys are still around?
oh yea...they're not junk tires either....... :aok
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My bike tyres are puncture magnets VFR 800, RIDING HOME BRAND NEW FROM SHOWROOM, puncture in rear tyre from debris left by hedge trimmers.
VTR 1000 2 rears in 2 mnths from bolts
ST1100 in my garage right now. New Avon rear with a bolt through the centre :bhead :bhead :bhead
Most major automotive companies have a little guy driving around on what is effectively a wheeled electromagnet to collect most of this junk from their sites, can we just consider a similar idea for the roads? Think of the cash you would make selling all this metal as scrap.......
wait a sec :bolt:
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My bike tyres are puncture magnets VFR 800, RIDING HOME BRAND NEW FROM SHOWROOM, puncture in rear tyre from debris left by hedge trimmers.
VTR 1000 2 rears in 2 mnths from bolts
ST1100 in my garage right now. New Avon rear with a bolt through the centre :bhead :bhead :bhead
Most major automotive companies have a little guy driving around on what is effectively a wheeled electromagnet to collect most of this junk from their sites, can we just consider a similar idea for the roads? Think of the cash you would make selling all this metal as scrap.......
wait a sec :bolt:
hhheeeeyyyy!!!!!!!! THAT sir is a most excellent idea!!! it wouldn't be very hard to rig up an electro magnet running off of your car...cruise slow along the shoulders of the road...........hhhhmmmmmmmm
what no one's noticed as yet though, is the missing valve stem. or the scrapew marks on the rim next to it.......
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I havent looked lately, but this was a couple of years ago when it happened
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I havent looked lately, but this was a couple of years ago when it happened
i'll have to check with my tire supplier tomorrow......the last time i remember seeing douglas tires for sale if nearly 20 years ago.
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I seen the scrape marks, but didnt look enough at the hole where the valve stem was. Either he nailed a solid object pretty hard or tried to pry the tire off the rim for some unknown reason and damaged the rim and broke off the stem.
On the right side of the picture, is that debries on the bottom right of the hole or is the rim cracked there too?
On the tires, the paperwork shows "Douglas Performance GT"
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hhheeeeyyyy!!!!!!!! THAT sir is a most excellent idea!!! it wouldn't be very hard to rig up an electro magnet running off of your car...cruise slow along the shoulders of the road...........hhhhmmmmmmmm
what no one's noticed as yet though, is the missing valve stem. or the scrapew marks on the rim next to it.......
Hey what about that crack on that wheel?
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I seen the scrape marks, but didnt look enough at the hole where the valve stem was. Either he nailed a solid object pretty hard or tried to pry the tire off the rim for some unknown reason and damaged the rim and broke off the stem.
On the right side of the picture, is that debries on the bottom right of the hole or is the rim cracked there too?
On the tires, the paperwork shows "Douglas Performance GT"
Hey what about that crack on that wheel?
you mean in the bottom of the rim? at about the 6 oclock position? that's debris.
the poor guy's hit just about anything that doesn't move with that truck.........
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What the hell did he hit to take the valve stem off?
you mean in the bottom of the rim? at about the 6 oclock position? that's debris.
the poor guy's hit just about anything that doesn't move with that truck.........
And at least he doesn't set up his shots correctly, else it sounds like a bunch of injuries to pedestrians would occur.
For the love of god, don't tell him anything about pulling less G's, or he might bet the hang of it.
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what no one's noticed as yet though, is the missing valve stem. or the scrapew marks on the rim next to it.......
Those were the first things I noticed. I was wondering if there was something else even worse, from the way you carried on about it.
:devil
:bolt:
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Those were the first things I noticed. I was wondering if there was something else even worse, from the way you carried on about it.
:devil
:bolt:
naH...there's other reasons why the guy's like he is. it bothers me, 'cause despite his shortcomings, i like the guy. i kind of vented here.......
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The guy may well have been padding his story.
On the other hand I have a bit of a bias about tire companies myself. I had a bad tire on my trailer (RV). I'm obsessive about tire pressure. It gets checked every day before I take the rig on the road, even if it's just across the campground. I keep it at max pressure because it's a heavy rig but well under the max load of the tires. I also check the tires for excess heat at every stop on the highway, about every 100 to 150 miles of 60 to 63 MPH speed.
We stopped at a park on a rainy day last August. We smelled burning rubber but had no idea from where. The next morning I check tires and find one of the tires with less than 15k miles on it is no longer flat across the tread but it is bulged in the center all the way around. The edge of the tread is wrinkled where it meets the sidewall and there is a spot where they was melted rubber poking out. This is a rear tire. No curbs, major potholes or road problems yet I have a tread separating. It still has 125 PSI the max recommended pressure. I take it to the tire shop after swapping it out and the guy doesn't even let me take it off the truck. He just says that I ran it under inflated and it's not a warranty issue. If I don't like his opinion I can take it up with Goodyear, then he walks away.
These are not cheap tires, about $430 a pop now. They are commercial grade 17.5" H rated trailer tires. Good year had a major problem with their earlier trailer tires a G rated 16" tires a few years back. It seems like these are doing the same thing.
Trailer tires -------------> Kumho. We tow thousands of miles a year, we stopped using Goodyear trailer tires about 6 years ago. We bought a trailer last year that had new Goodyear tires on it. About an hour south of Atlanta, about 11 PM, on the first long trip, we lost two of them. On the left side, where the shoulder is just about wide enough for the trailer. I put a spare on, we limped to the next exit. The next day, we had a new set of Kumho tires before we left the truck service shop. As always, the Kumho tires have been flawless. Not counting what it cost to replace them, those Goodyears cost us $2K in lost time. Never again. If we buy a new trailer, they'll put Kumho tires on it there, or it goes to the tire shop for a new set before it even goes to the shop to get loaded.
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Trailer tires -------------> Kumho. We tow thousands of miles a year, we stopped using Goodyear trailer tires about 6 years ago. We bought a trailer last year that had new Goodyear tires on it. About an hour south of Atlanta, about 11 PM, on the first long trip, we lost two of them. On the left side, where the shoulder is just about wide enough for the trailer. I put a spare on, we limped to the next exit. The next day, we had a new set of Kumho tires before we left the truck service shop. As always, the Kumho tires have been flawless. Not counting what it cost to replace them, those Goodyears cost us $2K in lost time. Never again. If we buy a new trailer, they'll put Kumho tires on it there, or it goes to the tire shop for a new set before it even goes to the shop to get loaded.
khumo's are excellent tires. i sell a lot of thm
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those were the first words out of a customers mouth this morning as he pulls up in his 86 dodge ramcharger. i go out to look at it. as we're walking out to the truck, he goes "i didn't hit anything this time. no curbs, no holes, nuthin'. it just went flat." we get to the truck, and he opens the rear hatch(and holds it, 'cause he won't replace the struts to hold it). i pull the tire out, and see this.....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8436/8004789919_3043a9faf5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/8004789919/)
tire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/8004789919/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
i tell him....you whacked a curb dude, pointing at the evidence. he denies it of course............ :bhead i WISH i had my voice recorder running to record the entire conversation......
What a handsomehunks... He even broke off the stem.
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The guy may well have been padding his story.
On the other hand I have a bit of a bias about tire companies myself. I had a bad tire on my trailer (RV). I'm obsessive about tire pressure. It gets checked every day before I take the rig on the road, even if it's just across the campground. I keep it at max pressure because it's a heavy rig but well under the max load of the tires. I also check the tires for excess heat at every stop on the highway, about every 100 to 150 miles of 60 to 63 MPH speed.
We stopped at a park on a rainy day last August. We smelled burning rubber but had no idea from where. The next morning I check tires and find one of the tires with less than 15k miles on it is no longer flat across the tread but it is bulged in the center all the way around. The edge of the tread is wrinkled where it meets the sidewall and there is a spot where they was melted rubber poking out. This is a rear tire. No curbs, major potholes or road problems yet I have a tread separating. It still has 125 PSI the max recommended pressure. I take it to the tire shop after swapping it out and the guy doesn't even let me take it off the truck. He just says that I ran it under inflated and it's not a warranty issue. If I don't like his opinion I can take it up with Goodyear, then he walks away.
These are not cheap tires, about $430 a pop now. They are commercial grade 17.5" H rated trailer tires. Good year had a major problem with their earlier trailer tires a G rated 16" tires a few years back. It seems like these are doing the same thing.
the guy at the tire shop was a shyster, i hope that's not someone you do business with. tires don't generally experience total belt separation if they are underinflated. sidewall blowout yes, belt separation no, especially with a load on them.
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Interesting to see so many others have problems with goodyear. I bought the last set of goodyear tires ill ever buy in 2008. The were supposed to be the best available and not cheap either. The goodyear wrangler silent armor line. Junk i tell you. Wore like crap and had terrible traction. They were supposed to be 50,000 mile tires and i got rid of them at 20 to 25 cause i hated them so much. Got a set of Cooper MS snow tires for winter and a set of hankook at's for summer and couldn't be happier.
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hhheeeeyyyy!!!!!!!! THAT sir is a most excellent idea!!! it wouldn't be very hard to rig up an electro magnet running off of your car...cruise slow along the shoulders of the road...........hhhhmmmmmmmm
what no one's noticed as yet though, is the missing valve stem. or the scrapew marks on the rim next to it.......
I noted it right off and also the crack
I run Toyo Open Country MT on my truck.
(http://static.zoovy.com/img/westkycustoms/W900-H1161-Bffffff/xd/chrome_diesel_33x12_5x18_toyo_mt_002.jpg)
37.5 x 22 close to $700 ea but they are a great tire.
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Just prior to the tire going flat, was heard from inside the vehicle, "hold my beer and watch this".
Some one I know said something like that. He thought it was cool to take out some construction cones on the highway. Well those cones are perfect Valve stem extractors. He learned his lesson as he changed his tire in the constuction zone. :rofl
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Some one I know said something like that. He thought it was cool to take out some construction cones on the highway. Well those cones are perfect Valve stem extractors. He learned his lesson as he changed his tire in the constuction zone. :rofl
Not to mention..............when he takes out those cones and his relatives later come through and crash because he removed the cones.
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The guy may well have been padding his story.
On the other hand I have a bit of a bias about tire companies myself. I had a bad tire on my trailer (RV). I'm obsessive about tire pressure. It gets checked every day before I take the rig on the road, even if it's just across the campground. I keep it at max pressure because it's a heavy rig but well under the max load of the tires. I also check the tires for excess heat at every stop on the highway, about every 100 to 150 miles of 60 to 63 MPH speed.
We stopped at a park on a rainy day last August. We smelled burning rubber but had no idea from where. The next morning I check tires and find one of the tires with less than 15k miles on it is no longer flat across the tread but it is bulged in the center all the way around. The edge of the tread is wrinkled where it meets the sidewall and there is a spot where they was melted rubber poking out. This is a rear tire. No curbs, major potholes or road problems yet I have a tread separating. It still has 125 PSI the max recommended pressure. I take it to the tire shop after swapping it out and the guy doesn't even let me take it off the truck. He just says that I ran it under inflated and it's not a warranty issue. If I don't like his opinion I can take it up with Goodyear, then he walks away.
These are not cheap tires, about $430 a pop now. They are commercial grade 17.5" H rated trailer tires. Good year had a major problem with their earlier trailer tires a G rated 16" tires a few years back. It seems like these are doing the same thing.
Check with the factory, might not be a bad idea to call up Goodyear headquarters in Akron, OH. I know Goodyear has quality inspection machines for truck tires that check balance/even tread, video tape, and record data. The machine was purchased for the sole purpose of making sure an 18-wheeler gets 18 good tires.
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Check with the factory, might not be a bad idea to call up Goodyear headquarters in Akron, OH. I know Goodyear has quality inspection machines for truck tires that check balance/even tread, video tape, and record data. The machine was purchased for the sole purpose of making sure an 18-wheeler gets 18 good tires.
I did call the main HQ number and got a ref number for a return. I also went and looked up a shop that dealt in commercial tires only rather than small vehicle tires. Took me most of an afternoon to find them here in South Central Louisiana. The tire, by now, should be at the factory for analysis. I still had to go out of pocket for a replacement and balancing in the mean time.
I'm less than happy with goodyear but the number of tire manufacturers dealing in the 17.5" H rated category is very small. AFAIK it's goodyear or michelin. Michelin is even more expensive, less responsive to damage claims from failure of the tire from what I have found through my RV sources and they have a max speed limitation of 62 MPH.
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MY BIGGEST beef with goodyear has always been traction. as in they suck. especially in the wet weather. back in the late 90's, i had put a set of eagle gt+4's on my mustang. THOSE were good tires. they hooked good in all conditions, even when i drove it in the snow.
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those were the first words out of a customers mouth this morning as he pulls up in his 86 dodge ramcharger. i go out to look at it. as we're walking out to the truck, he goes "i didn't hit anything this time. no curbs, no holes, nuthin'. it just went flat." we get to the truck, and he opens the rear hatch(and holds it, 'cause he won't replace the struts to hold it). i pull the tire out, and see this.....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8436/8004789919_3043a9faf5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/8004789919/)
tire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/8004789919/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
i tell him....you whacked a curb dude, pointing at the evidence. he denies it of course............ :bhead i WISH i had my voice recorder running to record the entire conversation......
Let me guess, left side driving forward or right driving backwards, it looks like from the scaring?
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And this is why I wouldn't do what you do Cap. Don't get me wrong...I love to twist wrenches, do it for a living as a matter of fact, but having to deal with the stupid public would drive me nuts.
And Maverick, after a couple of lines into your post I was wondering whether those were Goodyears or not. :lol I had similar problems with that brand myself in the past. Over priced junk if ya ask me. I never buy Goodyear again. And haven't for 10 or 15 years now.
I'll verify with my family, but we haven't been buying Michellin for a few years now because they had a major tread seperation problem that was wide reported in a batch of tires, and they didn't do squat to replace or reimburse us after we bought some of this batch and had tread seperating on one of them after about only 3k miles.
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Woo! I got some new rubber watch me be billy BA.....aww dang man I just messed up some brand new tires, its cool tho I'll say they sold me um this way. That or drunk and hit the curb.
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Trailer tires -------------> Kumho. We tow thousands of miles a year, we stopped using Goodyear trailer tires about 6 years ago. We bought a trailer last year that had new Goodyear tires on it. About an hour south of Atlanta, about 11 PM, on the first long trip, we lost two of them. On the left side, where the shoulder is just about wide enough for the trailer. I put a spare on, we limped to the next exit. The next day, we had a new set of Kumho tires before we left the truck service shop. As always, the Kumho tires have been flawless. Not counting what it cost to replace them, those Goodyears cost us $2K in lost time. Never again. If we buy a new trailer, they'll put Kumho tires on it there, or it goes to the tire shop for a new set before it even goes to the shop to get loaded.
Was there any evidence it was the tires and not debri in that case? Maybe one went first and then the other didn't like the extra load? Two tires, on the same side... I'm not a Goodyear fan but that sounds aweful unlucky.
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Was there any evidence it was the tires and not debri in that case? Maybe one went first and then the other didn't like the extra load? Two tires, on the same side... I'm not a Goodyear fan but that sounds aweful unlucky.
It was not debris. It would have hit two tires on the truck and two tires on the trailer to get to the last tire, which blew. The next tire blew before we could stop. It was March, at night, and there was a light rain. So heat was not a problem. The tires had plenty of safety margin in load rating.
This is a common problem with Goodyear trailer tires. If this had been the first failure, I'd have given them the benefit of doubt. It was not. We've had several race car trailers, the new trailers came with Goodyear tires. We've had failures on every trailer. We leave plenty of safety margin, the tires do not even get close to their limit. We're careful about heat and inflation as well. We've even had them fail on the horse trailer.
It's not bad luck, it's bad tires. We're not the only guys having the problem. Except we don't have a problem when we put Kumho tires on the trailers.
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I once had an embarrassing moment with tires. When I was 19 or so I bought my first ever set of new (refurbished) tires for my car. As luck would have it the very first day I backed into a nail that punctured the new tire. :bhead
Nevermind, I had it fixed with a tubeless patch and went on driving. The next summer I started to hear an annoying 'tap tap tap tap' sound from the rear while driving - as if a stone would have got lodged into the threads. I couldn't find anything there so I figured the tire must be faulty and took it for an inspection.
The tire professional said it sounded like the core was separated from the thread and he's going to replace it free of charge. He then opens the tire and finds the patch inside. I had completely forgotten already about the puncture and the patch so I kept insisting it must have been there already when the tire was new and refused to pay for the fix. Later on I remembered the incident and I felt like a total tard :mad:
But IMO the tire should not break like that even if there is a nail puncturing it.
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But IMO the tire should not break like that even if there is a nail puncturing it.
:headscratch: wait, so the structure of the steel belts which have been damaged by an object should ignore the laws of physics because you think so? go buy polyester bias ply tires, you will never have to worry about belt separation...
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:headscratch: wait, so the structure of the steel belts which have been damaged by an object should ignore the laws of physics because you think so? go buy polyester bias ply tires, you will never have to worry about belt separation...
Yes, the core of the tire should not separate from the surface due to a small puncture.
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I had completely forgotten already about the puncture and the patch so I kept insisting it must have been there already when the tire was new and refused to pay for the fix. Later on I remembered the incident and I felt like a total tard :mad:
But IMO the tire should not break like that even if there is a nail puncturing it.
if the nail was in the middle'ish area of the tread, it shouldn't have caused any problems. when one uses patches that go in the inside of the tire, they need to prep the surface. i've seen guys get overzealous doing this, and create problems.
what actually more than likely caused your tire to seperate in this instance, was that you caught a pothole, or caught a seam in the road, causing the belt to shift slightly. then over time, it moves a little more till you've got a flatspot, or a bulge. i've rarely seen a defective tire take a full year to show a problem.
on the bolded part........that kind of stuff pisses me off BAD. suffice it to say, your car would not have left my shop till you paid me for it.
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if the nail was in the middle'ish area of the tread, it shouldn't have caused any problems. when one uses patches that go in the inside of the tire, they need to prep the surface. i've seen guys get overzealous doing this, and create problems.
what actually more than likely caused your tire to seperate in this instance, was that you caught a pothole, or caught a seam in the road, causing the belt to shift slightly. then over time, it moves a little more till you've got a flatspot, or a bulge. i've rarely seen a defective tire take a full year to show a problem.
on the bolded part........that kind of stuff pisses me off BAD. suffice it to say, your car would not have left my shop till you paid me for it.
Well he did already promise to do it free of charge and I was a high school kid, still making car payments from my night job. I really didn't want to buy a new tire :)
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Well he did already promise to do it free of charge and I was a high school kid, still making car payments from my night job. I really didn't want to buy a new tire :)
but you flat out lied to the guy.
i have a customer just dropped off his buick, for me to move the fuel gauge needle back to the right side of the pin. it's a 97. that era gm products used to have a tendency to have the gas gauge "jump" when you jump started the car. it would go beyond one of the travel limit pins, and then it's stuck. only way to make it right, is remove the cluster, and lift it over.
he tried insisting it happened when i changed the battery the other day. after he had it jumpstarted to bring it here. since i know that happens, i looked inside the car before i touched it. i saw the gauge there, noted it on the invoice. when he came to pick up the car, and i told him it was done, he went right to the car, and looked(as if he knew what had happened), then comes back in to me, trying to tell me i messed up his gas gauge. i told him it was like that(which it was), and he asked me how it got that way. i told him it happens when they're jumpstarted.
he tried to keep arguing with me(he thinks that because he's a retired electrical engineer, that he can out-smart me with electrical stuff on his car....this isn't the first bad dealing with this customer). it took me a few minutes to get the point across to him that i knew EXACTLY how it happened.
then he admitted that he tried jumping it 2x himself, which wouldn't get more than a rapid clicking from the car, so he called AAA....they jumped it for him. and yes, he IS paying me for removing the cluster to set it right.
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but you flat out lied to the guy.
Bug off and learn to read. At the time of the incident I had completely forgotten about the puncture.
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Bug off and learn to read. At the time of the incident I had completely forgotten about the puncture.
... and then when pointed out you lied.
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... and then when pointed out you lied.
hes saying he was a youngin and probably a doper so he forgot about the punture in total.
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hes saying he was a youngin and probably a doper so he forgot about the punture in total.
ya know what? i probably over reacted. we've all messed up in some way when we were young.
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those were the first words out of a customers mouth this morning as he pulls up in his 86 dodge ramcharger. i go out to look at it. as we're walking out to the truck, he goes "i didn't hit anything this time. no curbs, no holes, nuthin'. it just went flat." we get to the truck, and he opens the rear hatch(and holds it, 'cause he won't replace the struts to hold it). i pull the tire out, and see this.....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8436/8004789919_3043a9faf5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/8004789919/)
tire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/8004789919/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
i tell him....you whacked a curb dude, pointing at the evidence. he denies it of course............ :bhead i WISH i had my voice recorder running to record the entire conversation......
Okay. You are wrong Cap. He didn't "whack" a curb. He ****** the **** out of it...
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20+ years in retail and if there is one thing i've learnt.
Buyers are liars
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those were the first words out of a customers mouth this morning as he pulls up in his 86 dodge ramcharger. i go out to look at it. as we're walking out to the truck, he goes "i didn't hit anything this time. no curbs, no holes, nuthin'. it just went flat." we get to the truck, and he opens the rear hatch(and holds it, 'cause he won't replace the struts to hold it). i pull the tire out, and see this.....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8436/8004789919_3043a9faf5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/8004789919/)
tire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/70148615@N03/8004789919/) by 1LtCap (http://www.flickr.com/people/70148615@N03/), on Flickr
i tell him....you whacked a curb dude, pointing at the evidence. he denies it of course............ :bhead i WISH i had my voice recorder running to record the entire conversation......
Some tires Suck but not that badly where they go flat without hitting a thing
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Some tires Suck but not that badly where they go flat without hitting a thing
I saw Tracer had replied to this post and thought it would be better than this, you've done better tracer.
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I saw Tracer had replied to this post and thought it would be better than this, you've done better tracer.
well i dont want to be a Royal Pain in the ***
since i will be back in-game tomorrow
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I didn't hit anything I swear! Well how am I supposed to know why the rim is gouged in the exact area where there is a missing valve stem, your the expert here!
:rofl Priceless :aok
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I didn't hit anything I swear! Well how am I supposed to know why the rim is gouged in the exact area where there is a missing valve stem, your the expert here!
:rofl Priceless :aok
well, ya gotta look back at the op, and read what he said. "i didn't hit anything this time."
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this discussion reminds me of the worst tires i ever had the displeasure of experiencing...the firestone 721. worse than even the uniroyal tiger paw and the private labels made like it. you could look at them wrong and the belts would separate.
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Some tires Suck but not that badly where they go flat without hitting a thing
It's obvious that he hit something, and more to the point, a curb. I've seen this type of damage more than a few times. From what I can see on the tire itself and damage on the rim, I would guess he fishtailed it into a curb, or nipped a median in an intersection.
CAP, do you remember where this tire was? Driver/Passenger/Front/Rear?
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I put a hole in my right front tire last night, skimmed a curb. :furious :bhead :mad:
I get out of the car and walked around to make sure it was ok and sure enough tire is hissing away, so I break out the jack. Been calling tire places all morning :furious :furious :bhead :bhead :mad: :mad:
(sorry for throwing in my dilemma)
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I put a hole in my right front tire last night, skimmed a curb. :furious :bhead :mad:
I get out of the car and walked around to make sure it was ok and sure enough tire is hissing away, so I break out the jack. Been calling tire places all morning :furious :furious :bhead :bhead :mad: :mad:
(sorry for throwing in my dilemma)
You hit a "bad" curb. They tend to do that. Otherwise, you did more than just "skimmed" it, or you have crappy tires. :)
A "bad" curb is one broken up, cracked, bits of jagged concrete and/or rebar sticking out. A "good" curb is one that isn't busted up, good shape. From what I can see in the picture, op hit a good curb. Strike on the sidewall is smooth, with (from the picture) VERY little scarring. He hit it hard enough to allow the rim to reach the curb. Doesn't matter if curb is good or bad at that point. Rim makes contact with curb, it WILL mess it up.
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You hit a "bad" curb. They tend to do that. Otherwise, you did more than just "skimmed" it, or you have crappy tires. :)
A "bad" curb is one broken up, cracked, bits of jagged concrete and/or rebar sticking out. A "good" curb is one that isn't busted up, good shape. From what I can see in the picture, op hit a good curb. Strike on the sidewall is smooth, with (from the picture) VERY little scarring. He hit it hard enough to allow the rim to reach the curb. Doesn't matter if curb is good or bad at that point. Rim makes contact with curb, it WILL mess it up.
The curb was cracked and by no means smooth when I went and looked later. My friend that came to help with my problem said he had done the exact same thing a couple a weeks ago to his brand new truck with brand new tires but he tore the sidewall on a piece of rebar.
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The curb was cracked and by no means smooth when I went and looked later. My friend that came to help with my problem said he had done the exact same thing a couple a weeks ago to his brand new truck with brand new tires but he tore the sidewall on a piece of rebar.
Ouch. Rebar is nasty stuff. The bright side is, ye didn't damage your rim, nor did your friend from the sounds of it.
I've flatten a tire on a curb before. Didn't have much choice as I had to avoid a collision that would've had my arse in bad shape. There is a nice little snake-y bit I had to travel through and it was raining really good. Fool in a dump truck comes barrelin along down the center. Not much time for me to do anything but maneuver, and I pulled her to the right, straight into some nasty curb. Sure enough, ripped a 6" hole through the sidewall. If it was just some smuck in a car or truck, I'd ran his arse down, but when it comes to something like a dump truck, even I will avoid that. He may or may not have been loaded, meaning he may or may not have weighed as much as I do (small dump truck), but wouldn't matter because he weighs enough and is made of real metal.
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I COULD set my video camera up right at the intersection out in front of the shop. crazy how so many people hop the curbs around here.........
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The guy actually complained about the "Bad Tire" when the rim is scarred and valve stem broken????
I would have laughed in his face CAP.. Said GTF outta here in my best Jersey Accent!
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I found a great source for off road tires at a fraction of the cost of name brands. Treadwright. All they make are off road tires, and they've been doing it for a long time.
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I took the tire to my local Goodyear shop for installation and balancing. They didn't realize that it was a remold until I told them. Only 1 ounce of weight was required to balance the tire, which really surprised them.
Having seen the quality and having a friend who throughly abused the tires, I'm ordering a full set of the same tire specifically for winter use (they carry the snowflake indicating severe winter service tires). I'll mount them on a set of 8.5"x17" steel wheels and put my Cooper STs (on aluminum mags) away for the winter. Budget high traction winter tires, still very capable off road too. My Coopers (which are wearing like iron) will go back on in the spring. They (the Coopers) are great in moderate mud, all kinds of sand and deep snow. They are not very good on packed snow and ice, because they have very little syping (being a hybrid mud/terrain type).
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Last fall I went to a tire shop to order a set of studded tires. The salesman said they didn't have any but swore up and down that these Firestone tires they had grip well on snow as well as ice.
I asked him if he really expected me to believe a rubber compound had been invented that grips ice. He said "no, but they're the best tire you can get for snow".
I drove back to my hometown and bought a set of BF's from an older kid who ruined my basketball hoop when we were younger. He remembered that too and gave me a great deal on a set with a 60K mile warranty :D.
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look up the blizzak.
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look up the blizzak.
I'll need to see it in action before I believe it 'grips' ice. Until then I'll only be interested in studs for winter use. I live in the upper midwest and ice is the only real obstacle I face.
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I'll need to see it in action before I believe it 'grips' ice. Until then I'll only be interested in studs for winter use. I live in the upper midwest and ice is the only real obstacle I face.
i have, it does
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ya know what? i probably over reacted. we've all messed up in some way when we were young.
Not me... I was perfect. Then I got married and was told all my faults. :D