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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Slade on October 12, 2012, 07:19:45 AM
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It would be nice to have an option to dump some of the fuel (say by %). I have heard this was done in WWII on occasion.
Thanks. :salute
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Very few, if any, WWII aircraft had the ability to dump fuel.
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Thats why I drive tanks. Every time I up an aircraft I seem to have no problem dumping fuel. Of course it's usually because of unsightly holes that appear in my wings for no apparent reason. :aok
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It was done. How much is debatable. We can never prove how much it was done with 100% accuracy.
If this is still the Wishlist forum = I wish it would be added to the game.
Thanks for considering. :salute
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It was done. How much is debatable. We can never prove how much it was done with 100% accuracy.
Well, if a plane had no quick dump valves or similar, we can ;)
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Maybe Slade can use his .45 to dump fuel. I know this was done at least once in a P-80 in Korea when the tip tank wouldn't
feed :D
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Please show me documentation that it was a practiced tactic in WWII, ya know, dump %99 of fuel in that P51D so it could turn as tight as a 109G on the deck. Or maybe the 109G did that against the Yak? oh oh oh, I know, I bet the 262 pilots did it so they should climb better?
Yeah. Right. I have not found any documentation showing any of that, let alone knowing of any planes that had that capability (I'm sure there were, but for dumping fuel in flight. Probably a long term storage thing done by ground crews).
This I do know: Aircraft in WWII, especially in the PTO went up with %100 fuel. If able they took DT's, too. None of this %25 or %50 fuel and DT BS. I wich HTC would code it so that DT's cant be taken unless the internal tanks are %100. That would remove another one of the gamey-game tactics that the arcade frequenters us. Of the 100+ entries my grandfather has in his pilot logs only a few times he went up w/o %100 fuel and that was to ferry B17's from one airfield to another (NM to CA). Otherwise, even in the 1 hr flights he made from one island base to another ferrying mail and supplies in any one of the many cargo planes he flew between combat missions his plane *always* had %100 fuel.
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Please show me documentation that it was a practiced tactic in WWII...
It took me less than 60 seconds to find an actual picture of a WWII plane dumping fuel. If you are looking for this you will find it. If you are looking to prove it did not happen you will find that too. :old:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/losinggeorgia/2304879169/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/losinggeorgia/2304879169/)
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It took me less than 60 seconds to find an actual picture of a WWII plane dumping fuel. If you are looking for this you will find it. If you are looking to prove it did not happen you will find that too. :old:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/losinggeorgia/2304879169/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/losinggeorgia/2304879169/)
Not all planes had the ability to dump fuel, for example none of the fighters we have in game had the ability to dump fuel to the best of my knowledge.
ack-ack
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not convinced that B17 is dumping fuel - there arent any feeds to that part of the wing. the drain valve is between the engines in front of the flaps and is for overflow/vapour release. dont have the manual handy but I dont remember seeing a facility for dumping fuel, we have a couple of AHers who fly/maintain B17s so they would know. the pic looks like a fuel or hydraulic leak to me.
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It took me less than 60 seconds to find an actual picture of a WWII plane dumping fuel. If you are looking for this you will find it. If you are looking to prove it did not happen you will find that too. :old:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/losinggeorgia/2304879169/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/losinggeorgia/2304879169/)
A picture is NOT documentation. The picture could be of a restored model that has a dump option added to meet FAA requirements to have it re-certified.
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A picture is NOT documentation. The picture could be of a restored model that has a dump option added to meet FAA requirements to have it re-certified.
Also looks like No 1 is shut down and feathered. I'd say leak from damage rather than a fuel dump.
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It took me less than 60 seconds to find an actual picture of a WWII plane dumping fuel. If you are looking for this you will find it. If you are looking to prove it did not happen you will find that too. :old:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/losinggeorgia/2304879169/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/losinggeorgia/2304879169/)
you might want to look closer and double check the facts...
Also looks like No 1 is shut down and feathered. I'd say leak from damage rather than a fuel dump.
+1
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It took me less than 60 seconds to find an actual picture of a WWII plane dumping fuel. If you are looking for this you will find it. If you are looking to prove it did not happen you will find that too. :old:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/losinggeorgia/2304879169/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/losinggeorgia/2304879169/)
It took you less than 60 seconds to find a picture of a fuel leak.
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A picture is NOT documentation. The picture could be of a restored model that has a dump option added to meet FAA requirements to have it re-certified.
It could be an alien attack craft from Ceti Alpha Seven disguised as a B-17. There could be poptarts inside it. The commanders name could be "Wally" or "Biff".
Is there anything published on the website by HiTech, is there anything in HiTech's actual words (not BBS hearsay) that limits what one is allowed to wish for? THIS is an area I'd like to see the facts on. In this way I'll more perfectly post wishes or not...if it does not meet HiTech's officially stated policy. :old:
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You can post a wish all you want. Just don't get angry when it gets shot down.
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Just don't get angry when it gets shot down.
Not angry at all. Ultimately I think it is for HiTech to shoot down wishes.
Some go a little too far in slamming wishes in here is all. :salute
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And some just want a gamey option so they can fly at unhistorically high performance levels by dumping fuel until they have only 15%, 10%... hell 1% onboard.
All of the commentary so far in this thread is MORE than warranted. You just chose the wrong horse to back, that's all.
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And some just want a gamey option so they can fly at unhistorically high performance levels by dumping fuel until they have only 15%, 10%... hell 1% onboard.
All of the commentary so far in this thread is MORE than warranted. You just chose the wrong horse to back, that's all.
lol +1
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Some go a little too far in slamming wishes in here is all. :salute
yes they do, which is a shame.
I'd support it if it was historical. cant imagine any fighters had it, but if you can find examples of aircraft that did then its a legit wishlist :aok
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It wasn't common or required during WW2. Even modern airlines don't have them in many cases. You hear stories in the news about how they had to circle the airport for 2-3 hours to burn off fuel before returning to land.
The only ones I can think of off the top of my head aren't in-game. Such as the Bristol Blenheim (or, some versions of it -- not all had it).
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German Bombers commonly had them.
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Heh, like I said, mostly ones we don't have in-game! :devil :devil :devil
(in case nobody gets that, it's a dig at the lack of German bombers in this game!)
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I hear ya. I am with you guys on this that if it was not done in WWII then it should not be in the game.
Thanks. :salute
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I hear ya. I am with you guys on this that if it was not done in WWII then it should not be in the game.
Thanks. :salute
Kind of like tanks shooting down aircraft on a regular basis with the main gun? and Lancs dropping 14/1k bombs at 500ft over a gv spawn? or taking up DT's w/ %25 internal fuel? or bombers w/o supplied oxygen getting to 35k alt? (and a few others) :aok
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Thats why I drive tanks. Every time I up an aircraft I seem to have no problem dumping fuel. Of course it's usually because of unsightly holes that appear in my wings for no apparent reason. :aok
:rofl
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Thats why I drive tanks. Every time I up an aircraft I seem to have no problem dumping fuel. Of course it's usually because of unsightly holes that appear in my wings for no apparent reason. :aok
:rofl
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It wasn't common or required during WW2. Even modern airlines don't have them in many cases. You hear stories in the news about how they had to circle the airport for 2-3 hours to burn off fuel before returning to land.
The only ones I can think of off the top of my head aren't in-game. Such as the Bristol Blenheim (or, some versions of it -- not all had it).
Given that fuel dump is generally designed into an aircraft to allow for a landing without exceeding max landing weight, why would a WWII aircraft need it anyway? I would think you'd just dump the ords if you had to RTB in an emergency if you're a heavy aircraft, and I suspect most fighter aircraft had structural landing limits well beyond their MTOW anyway.
Even an airliner can land safely well above MLW if really needed in an emergency - I wouldn't think that WWII designers would be as pre-occupied with crew safety in such a scenario as would a civilian aircraft designer.
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Kind of like tanks shooting down aircraft on a regular basis with the main gun? and Lancs dropping 14/1k bombs at 500ft over a gv spawn? or taking up DT's w/ %25 internal fuel? or bombers w/o supplied oxygen getting to 35k alt? (and a few others) :aok
No. Those things would be physically possible, though highly unlikely whereas for most WWII aircraft dumping fuel in flight was physically impossible.