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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Stalwart on October 19, 2012, 12:48:52 PM
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Windows H8
Windows 8 on a PC makes as much sense as a steering wheel in an airplane or a flight yoke in a car.
Build PC OS for PC and tablet/phone OS for tablet/phone.
Is anyone else thinking WTF Microsoft?
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Word is you can turn off the interface on a PC.
I will not be going to 8 as 7 is so good. M$ is known for producing good then bad then good OSs.
It is time for the bad OS. :D
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I bought W7 to replace my XP for my next build. Anyone with XP better grab W7 before it is gone. W7 is much better for desktop than W8 will ever be.
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I replaced vista with win 7 and is very good :old:
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Have run W8 developers preview for some time. Works great and I find it quicker to start than W7, and I like what they have done to the GUI.
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Windows 8 Works well. It is faster on most of the stuff i work with compaired to 7.
the start screen is just a replacement for the start button. You get used to it.
I learned early on it is easier to just click the Microsoft button and time the name of what i am looking for then look for it in the start screen.
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Who cares about the features of win8? All I need is one big icon for starting AH. That is all the use I get out of windows.
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If you want to support Microsoft being able to tell you what you can install and what you cannot install on your computer, then that is your choice.
If you want to give even more information to Microsoft than ever before, that is your choice.
If you like being spied on, that is your choice.
If you like that any and all information, on your computer, can be made available to law enforcement without any type of warrants, then that is your choice.
Windows 7 is bad enough, but 8 takes it all to new levels.
The day is coming where you will not be able to own any applications. You will rent them, paying to use them for a specific time. This is where Microsoft is going and each iteration of the OS, they bring it one step closer to reality. If that is what you want, then by all means, go out and buy Windows 8.
For me, Windows 7 is the last OS I will own from Microsoft. I will not support the direction they are taking. I hope most people will make that same choice.
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I installed Ubuntu 11.10 parallel with g'old XP. The dual boot works fine.
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Not being sarcastic or anything Skuzzy, what options are there for new PC's other than win7 or rather when win7 is no longer available?
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Not being sarcastic or anything Skuzzy, what options are there for new PC's other than win7 or rather when win7 is no longer available?
hopefully they will realize that windows 8 isnt what people want and will change in windows 9. or at the very least somebody will file a lawsuit preventing Microsoft from being an agent of the police or perhaps invasion of privacy.
or hopefully by then I will be able to install Ubuntu on my computer.
semp
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I replaced vista with win 7 and is very good :old:
Me too. I'm very happy with Windows 7. I chose the OEM version over Retail, mainly for the difference in cost.
Coogan
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Not being sarcastic or anything Skuzzy, what options are there for new PC's other than win7 or rather when win7 is no longer available?
I think that is a very good question. For me it is easy. Not so much for others.
Windows 7 is not as bad as Windows 8, but worse than XP. At least you can install products on Windows 7 without Microsoft having to give you permission. Windows 7 does report application usage to Microsoft, but it does not have the ability to grant Microsoft full access, without your knowledge (well, unless you do something really stupid and open your computer up to them).
With Windows 8 Microsoft can remotely remove files and applications from your computer and you cannot stop them. They can get a list of every file on your computer and you cannot stop them.
Then again, Google does the same with Android, and Apple does the same with all their OS's as well.
I know I am beating a drum no one can hear or cares about, but I have to try. Maybe no one really cares about privacy or being in control of the products and data they pay good money for.
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I think that is a very good question. For me it is easy. Not so much for others.
Windows 7 is not as bad as Windows 8, but worse than XP. At least you can install products on Windows 7 without Microsoft having to give you permission. Windows 7 does report application usage to Microsoft, but it does not have the ability to grant Microsoft full access, without your knowledge (well, unless you do something really stupid and open your computer up to them).
With Windows 8 Microsoft can remotely remove files and applications from your computer and you cannot stop them. They can get a list of every file on your computer and you cannot stop them.
Then again, Google does the same with Android, and Apple does the same with all their OS's as well.
I know I am beating a drum no one can hear or cares about, but I have to try. Maybe no one really cares about privacy or being in control of the products and data they pay good money for.
I agree with your sentiment Scuzzy, but has anyone actually read their EULAs? you have been renting software for years now. Most EULAs state that you have a 'license to run' not own a certain software. There are some OS alternatives.. (various linux distros) that are not hard to use but the direction has been clear for about 20 years now... bow to your new corporate overlords...
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With Windows 8 Microsoft can remotely remove files and applications from your computer and you cannot stop them. They can get a list of every file on your computer and you cannot stop them.
They can do that ?! :O
That is one OS that I will never use for anything except gaming - and even that, only in case I run out of alternatives. When that day arrives, can AH finally be ported to Linux please?
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Windows 8 on a PC makes as much sense as a steering wheel in an airplane or a flight yoke in a car.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1089/970222203_396306fdef.jpg)
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(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1089/970222203_396306fdef.jpg)
Yup...that's a yoke in a plane...unless you have a propeller driven car.
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If you want to support Microsoft being able to tell you what you can install and what you cannot install on your computer, then that is your choice.
If you want to give even more information to Microsoft than ever before, that is your choice.
If you like being spied on, that is your choice.
If you like that any and all information, on your computer, can be made available to law enforcement without any type of warrants, then that is your choice.
Windows 7 is bad enough, but 8 takes it all to new levels.
The day is coming where you will not be able to own any applications. You will rent them, paying to use them for a specific time. This is where Microsoft is going and each iteration of the OS, they bring it one step closer to reality. If that is what you want, then by all means, go out and buy Windows 8.
For me, Windows 7 is the last OS I will own from Microsoft. I will not support the direction they are taking. I hope most people will make that same choice.
I think as far as American corporations go this kind of progress is inevitable. Microsoft won't be held back by the decisions of some enlightened consumer. Win8 is forced to them through new PC installs without asking about it. It is also no accident that stuxnet was delivered targeted to just certain computers via windows update ;) Of course MS will never admit it.
Seeing the current trend the only right solution is to switch using a truly free open source operating system. Valve has opened a head start even to gaming companies there.
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Not being sarcastic or anything Skuzzy, what options are there for new PC's other than win7 or rather when win7 is no longer available?
www.distrowatch.com and apple.com - pretty many options for windows available. You'll have to give up many windows games though. But if games are why you need a computer for, shouldn't you rethink the whole thing again anyway?
I currently have 3 gaming boxes that have a windows setup only for gaming. With those boxes nothing else is done except play games. I have an iMac for my daughter, MBP for my work and a dedicated linux box for fun. I also have 3 different linux distros virtualized in my MBP along with windows 7 and windows 8.
There is computing without windows folks, all you need to do is start looking outside the box - the Windows packaging that is.
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I installed Linux, yes very nice but what?
I don' want to build a PC and I don't want to social network :old:
The fact of the matter is the majority don't care about being inspected without permission, I personally don't like Microsoft dictating what I can delete on my PC etc, but when the majority don't care your stuffed :old:
If you have "Facebook" account you cannot have a view on being investigated, people telling the world they have been for a plop and had fish fingers for tea is the way things have gone.
Social networking its anti social as far as I am concerned, in 10 years time they will want to know why I don't have a account and get one pretty quick sonny :old:
The CIA have seen my gibberish on these forums and have moved on :rofl
Can we have the Yak 3 please? :)
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Heh. I remember back in the day a lot of hard core dead-enders swearing they'd never give up their DOS for that new fangled flash-in-the-pan GUI crap. Dumbing down a OS for the sheeple to click on little pictures of things... Bah! Real men use batch files! Heh. Change is always hard.
I don't know about all the privacy stuff (I always suspect that stuff get exaggerated by the tin-foil hat crowd), but I do believe both Mac and Windows DESKTOPS are moving closer to a locked down system where only certified code is able to run. Slowly but surely, desktops will start working more and more like IOS and Metro mobile. There are reasons for this. ITs proven to be very successful compromise that the vast multitude of consumers will accept. Computing has become broadly consumerized to an extent it wasn't in the old PC days where tech enthusiasts didn't mind diking with drivers and config files. The sheeple just aren't going to deal with that. They want something that just works without having to know a book of techy incantations and rituals. A locked down system goes a LONG way to ensuring security and stability. It makes for consumer-safe computing.
How successful has this model proven to be? I read something the other day that was very illustrative:
Revenue from the iPhone (One single product) exceeds the revenue of all divisions of the Microsoft corporations combined. OS's, Office, Games, xBox, etc, combined, less than the revenue from just the iPhone (not even counting the iPad).
Wow. Contemplate that for a while. I assure you Microsoft has.
The billions of sheeple consumers don't want to have to mess with virus scanners and managing device drivers. They want a computing appliance that they can turn on and it just works, like their refrigerator or television set. And the business fact is: there are billions more sheeple consumers than techy nerds who want to dink with computer innards. If you doubt that, take another look at Apple's earnings.
I think MS has totally bought in to these lessons. They are smart enough to see that Apple has stumbled upon a very good model. For all the Apple hating Windows zealots (yeah, I use to be one of those :lol) hold on to yer arses. Over the next couple of years MS is going to try very hard to look just like Apple.
Did you know MS is opening brick and mortar stores now? Just like Apple? No, really, JUST like Apple:
Typical Apple store - http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/7/2011/02/xlarge_applestoredrug.jpg (http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/7/2011/02/xlarge_applestoredrug.jpg)
A new MS Store - http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EbEgBiaLo8s/SwVqecGES3I/AAAAAAAAAEE/qwtNSEE0wNM/s1600/Microsoft+answer+bar.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EbEgBiaLo8s/SwVqecGES3I/AAAAAAAAAEE/qwtNSEE0wNM/s1600/Microsoft+answer+bar.jpg)
:rofl Hope Apple hasn't patented their store design. :lol
Their online app store..... :rofl Apple has become the company MS wants to be when it grows up. ;)
I will give MS this...I think they have made some very smart improvements to the online app store over what Apple does.
And I think they have made some real usability improvements in their Metro UI over the IOS design language.
I'm glad to see that they made the effort to copy-and-improve from Apple rather than just mindlessly ape like....hmm.
I think Win8 will rock on mobile devices. On the desktop? It's......ok. I would have done it slightly differently. I would have let the desktop be a desktop, and have a Metro emulation window you could launch to run your Metro apps from. However, even as it is, I think its a differentiating advantage for the desktop to be able to run the mobile apps. A Macbook can't yet run IOS apps. That gives app developers of properly designed apps a HUGE potential customer base from day one before the first Surface tablet is even sold.
Also, I'm not sure many people are completely aware of Bluestacks:
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33377_1-57355786/bluestacks-goes-metro-with-windows-8/ (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33377_1-57355786/bluestacks-goes-metro-with-windows-8/)
That has a huge potential of being a major game-changer. From day one, every Metro device will have the entire Android app library at its disposal. Hey Google, hows that open-source working for ya now? :cool:
1. That bootstraps a huge library of content from day one while developers are building native apps up to the same level.
2. Things change quick in the mobile world (just ask Blackberry :O). These device have about a 2 year lifespan coincident with contract renewal. Especially since many Android phones can't even be upgraded to new versions of the OS. It becomes a lot easier to lure over user to a Windows phone if you can tell them they can bring over their entire library of Android apps they've already invested in. On average, half those users are at that decision point every year. THATS how things change so quickly in the mobile world.
I think think the next 2 years are going to be VERY interesting for both Android and Windows (to a lesser extent Apple).
Wow. Sorry for the wall of text. Too much coffee. :x
:salute,
Wab
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One of my contacts on another forum tried Windows 8 about a year ago and said he hated it. He hated it so much that when he couldn't get Windows 7 back, he gave his computer an electricians funeral. Savage anything worth something and burn the rest.
The guy who fixes my computer when it gets more than 100 viruses said that there is a site where you can download any Microsoft software ever made. I can't remember the exact site name, I will have to ask him then get back to you. If you really don't like Windows 8 you can always try rolling back your OS through there.
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The guy who fixes my computer when it gets more than 100 viruses said that there is a site where you can download any Microsoft software ever made.
not sure about anyone else around here but, i'm not inclined to consider advice along the lines of anything computer related from someone who gets virus infections then needs someone else to get rid of them.
it would be really nice if game developers used this opportunity to start moving from microcrap windblowz and choose a linux distro to support then build their games on it. even if it was redhat, it would be far better than anything microcrap has managed to push onto the world since it's inception. it will probably never happen though.
speaking of the new "reporting feature" in win8, microsoft has used windows update to do a full scan of your installed programs and return the info to microcrap. just wait until you see what they plan to do with win9...
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I think that is a very good question. For me it is easy. Not so much for others.
Windows 7 is not as bad as Windows 8, but worse than XP. At least you can install products on Windows 7 without Microsoft having to give you permission. Windows 7 does report application usage to Microsoft, but it does not have the ability to grant Microsoft full access, without your knowledge (well, unless you do something really stupid and open your computer up to them).
With Windows 8 Microsoft can remotely remove files and applications from your computer and you cannot stop them. They can get a list of every file on your computer and you cannot stop them.
Then again, Google does the same with Android, and Apple does the same with all their OS's as well.
I know I am beating a drum no one can hear or cares about, but I have to try. Maybe no one really cares about privacy or being in control of the products and data they pay good money for.
You're right, but they do it now, at least with VS.
Install a legal but previous version of Visual Studio then Visual Studio 2010 Express (nicer editor), and while using both, watch your legal earlier version disappear within a month. :furious
Three times isn't a fluke so I didn't bother when they released their latest trial version.
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AKWabbit, really great post and I agree with it almost 100%.
Gone (or going) are the days you could tweak your system. People want 'cookie cutter' easy to set up systems and don't want to spend the time configuring it, or analyzing it when something goes wrong.
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AKWabbit, really great post and I agree with it almost 100%.
Gone (or going) are the days you could tweak your system. People want 'cookie cutter' easy to set up systems and don't want to spend the time configuring it, or analyzing it when something goes wrong.
...and some will give up all their freedom to have things done for them.
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...and some will give up all their freedom to have things done for them.
Replace some with most and you're close to the truth. Most people have given antivirus companies the right to remove any given file from their computers at any time for years - and pay for it too. Sometimes a false positive has lead to a removal of a perfectly legit file. Not to mention the slowdowns, bluescreens and the galore of problems people have had as a direct result of using different AV programs. In many cases the AV has created much worse penalties in performance and usability than the viruses it tries to defend from :)
Sophos is a very advanced antivirus - because it detects itself for what it is and tries to remove itself as malware :cheers: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/09/20/sophos-antimalware-software-detects-malware-deletes-critical-binaries/
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Majority of people are not interested in buildind pc's or messing with software :old:
This is why people will use linux in the future, so they can fiddle with their pc's.
I have learnt more about pc's and hardware from this forum by the way :old:
Lots of people with proper knowledge about pc issues. :salute
microsoft essentials is good
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Majority of people are not interested in buildind pc's or messing with software :old:
This is why people will use linux in the future, so they can fiddle with their pc's.
I have learnt more about pc's and hardware from this forum by the way :old:
Lots of people with proper knowledge about pc issues. :salute
microsoft essentials is good
My son just got a nasty malware to his computer even though it has MSE updated and running. Didn't do diddly against the attack. His floorball teammate sent him a download link to download minecraft. The link installed a 'download manager' which hijacked the browser and did probably other nasty things too judging from the spur of network activity, which I didn't investigate any further before restoring the computer from a freshly installed image.
So there it was, MSE happily chugging along and updated and the computer was fully pwned by malware. That's how much you can trust the 'security' products, folks.
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My son just got a nasty malware to his computer even though it has MSE updated and running. Didn't do diddly against the attack. His floorball teammate sent him a download link to download minecraft. The link installed a 'download manager' which hijacked the browser and did probably other nasty things too judging from the spur of network activity, which I didn't investigate any further before restoring the computer from a freshly installed image.
So there it was, MSE happily chugging along and updated and the computer was fully pwned by malware. That's how much you can trust the 'security' products, folks.
Unfortunately most can't protect everyone.
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My son just got a nasty malware to his computer even though it has MSE updated and running. Didn't do diddly against the attack. His floorball teammate sent him a download link to download minecraft. The link installed a 'download manager' which hijacked the browser and did probably other nasty things too judging from the spur of network activity, which I didn't investigate any further before restoring the computer from a freshly installed image.
So there it was, MSE happily chugging along and updated and the computer was fully pwned by malware. That's how much you can trust the 'security' products, folks.
He couldn't just visit minecraft.net?
An associate of mine, who's name I won't disclose, is a hacker. He says that the two easiest security programs to bypass in order are Mcafee, and MSE. Not because they are bad, but because so many people use them that it's become the equivalent of riding a bike.
No security software is ever perfect, even the government gets hacked from time to time. It's something that most people seem to be incapable of wrapping their heads around. My brother criticizes me for only playing the same 3 games, and visiting a small handful of websites on the computer. In one afternoon, he visited 56 different websites, downloaded 1.5GB of data and 7 games (their file sizes are included in the 1.5GB of data). The very next morning I got on the computer before work and it alerted me that there were 1 new virus and 5 malware. He promptly tried to say that it was me who caused the problem, so I promptly deleted everything that he had downloaded, including the $30 he spent on games.
As for what gyrene81 said; I am the only one in the house who can fix the computer, except for a few problems that are beyond anyones experience. The problem is that I'm usually working odd hours so I'm not always home to take care of the problem. It's easier on my part to have someone else fix it for $75 than to spend 20 minutes a day for 6 weeks trying to fix it myself. Besides most of the viruses that get onto the computer are benign and cause no noticeable performance issues. There is no security risk because I never do anything risky on the computer. I don't check my bank account, and the online shopping is done with PayPal and green dot.
And also, microcrap is the most popular OS out there, I doubt that will change anytime soon.
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Microsoft is the peoples choice and the majority of people have no view on operating systems :old:
Apple OP is supposed to be good, but people who own apple stuff do for snobbery reasons.
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Apple OP is supposed to be good, but people who own apple stuff do for snobbery reasons.
or fashion
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Microsoft is the peoples choice and the majority of people have no view on operating systems :old:
Apple OP is supposed to be good, but people who own apple stuff do for snobbery reasons.
People are choosing their OS for a multitude of reasons. How good is the OS is right down at the bottom of the list. MS never had the best OS by any measure. Same thing is happening now with Apple. Once you learn to herd the sheep, the world is your oyster and so is all the money in it.
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OS are important as red shoes the majority have got better things to worry about.
Ford motor cars are good cars but not the best, but they are fine.
BMW and Volkswagen are over priced and over rated and sell by reputation and myth of quality.
Honda and Mazda sell because they are reliable and last for years.
The majority of people buy cars because they are red and have lots of cupholders or they have big shiney silver wheels, if its a good car has nothing to do with it.
Windows media player is not the best but it works, VLC have a free media which is good.
The majority of people are not sheep they have just figured out that they are getting played and want to get on with what they are doing.
Microsoft works its as simple as that,its not the best so what.
I don't like people knowing what I am doing and I don't do a lot, but the internet and computing as a media encourages this.
Herd the sheep are you not a sheep ?
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He couldn't just visit minecraft.net?
Well his friend sent him a download link that he himself just used earlyer 'and it was ok' :rolleyes:
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That has nothing to do with Windows, its to do with the download culture we live in :)
I downloaded Mitsu's sound pack the other month and had to reformat my drive because of nonsense, i got caught out it was as simple as that.(no one else had a problem by the way)
Its first virus I have had in years, this is where windows is going to keep track of issues and stop people downloaded whats not meant to be downloaded.
Viruses are created by AV producers to keep their business going.
And the fact of the matter is people steal products everyday on the internet, films,software and even op software. I even knew a bloke used to download AV software from a torrent site :rofl
Its not a conspiracy its just that the majority don't care about OP systems and get problems on theirs PCs because they are daft. (And people are)
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If you want to support Microsoft being able to tell you what you can install and what you cannot install on your computer, then that is your choice.
If you want to give even more information to Microsoft than ever before, that is your choice.
If you like being spied on, that is your choice.
If you like that any and all information, on your computer, can be made available to law enforcement without any type of warrants, then that is your choice.
Windows 7 is bad enough, but 8 takes it all to new levels.
The day is coming where you will not be able to own any applications. You will rent them, paying to use them for a specific time. This is where Microsoft is going and each iteration of the OS, they bring it one step closer to reality. If that is what you want, then by all means, go out and buy Windows 8.
For me, Windows 7 is the last OS I will own from Microsoft. I will not support the direction they are taking. I hope most people will make that same choice.
I think this may be stretching it a little.
Maybe I am wrong But I have not seen anywhere on Microsoft removing files or building a backdoor to monitor the computers.
Now if we are talking about their “Microsoft Store” and the applications inside the store. I think Microsoft is following the same policies as the other vendors on the chance of them removing programs that are causing issues or that they find contain something not allowed with in the store. I would have to check, But I am guessing the store runs on the background and should be easily stopped if needed. I don’t see anywhere that Microsoft is removing any kind of standard files. They are not watching what you are doing and are not creating super-secret backdoors.
What they seem to be doing is bringing in features and options that are costing them market share because they are missing them,
I have been running the windows 8 Beta and loving it so far, Have not installed server 2012 in my environment yet But plan to do that in the next week or two.
The search feature is great for selection apps and the system seems to run better then when I was running 7. Now you do have a little learning curve on some of the stuff where Microsoft is bolting on the new GUI but nothing that is that bad. Once you get used to it, I think the start screen is a better option for me then the start button.
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That has nothing to do with Windows, its to do with the download culture we live in :)
Not entirely. The way windows is built makes it extremely easy to spread infections like this. It'sAnd my point there really was that having an antivirus didn't protect the machine at all. So it's foolish to trust them.
I have seen only 1 infection happen to a computer that didn't have an antivirus (XP sucked a worm through cable modem on first boot after install). All the other infected machines have had either AV pwned by the virus (disabled it) or then the AV just simply ignored the whole thing and claimed all is well.
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I think this may be stretching it a little. <snip>
Trell, Microsoft has admitted to all I stated after they got caught by several people who looked at the network packets flying between Microsoft and their computers.
You can ignore it if you like. Most people will.
As far as security goes, Microsoft is on record stating Windows was never designed to be secure.
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Not entirely. The way windows is built makes it extremely easy to spread infections like this. It'sAnd my point there really was that having an antivirus didn't protect the machine at all. So it's foolish to trust them.
I have seen only 1 infection happen to a computer that didn't have an antivirus (XP sucked a worm through cable modem on first boot after install). All the other infected machines have had either AV pwned by the virus (disabled it) or then the AV just simply ignored the whole thing and claimed all is well.
So your son tried downloading paid software for free, and got a virus? What's the problem with that?
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So your son tried downloading paid software for free, and got a virus? What's the problem with that?
Minecraft is free to download, duh. His idiot of a friend just copied a link from facebook or where ever and lured my son into loading it too. Not only that he was trying to assure us his computer was 'just fine' when I told him he had a malware running :)
Luckily I've profiled the computers so that nothing important ever resides on windows machines - if they get infected they just get wiped, end of story. And no banking is naturally done on them.
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Trell, Microsoft has admitted to all I stated after they got caught by several people who looked at the network packets flying between Microsoft and their computers.
You can ignore it if you like. Most people will.
As far as security goes, Microsoft is on record stating Windows was never designed to be secure.
Would you have any links about this?
Back a few years I used to do the monitoring of Firewalls at a mid-sized company and did not see this kind of traffic, Is this new on just windows 8? Would also be interested in what kind of information these packets contained.
When did Microsoft say that windows in not secure?
It is used by the major financial institutions across the world on both a desktop level as well as a server level. Not going to argue that security could be better. But you can say the same thing about all systems.
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Minecraft is free to download, duh. His idiot of a friend just copied a link from facebook or where ever and lured my son into loading it too. Not only that he was trying to assure us his computer was 'just fine' when I told him he had a malware running :)
Luckily I've profiled the computers so that nothing important ever resides on windows machines - if they get infected they just get wiped, end of story. And no banking is naturally done on them.
So why wouldn't he download it from the source..for free. Sounds more to me that he was downloading a cracked version so he could play the full version without paying. :aok
This argument you're using is like blaming TV and Movies for violence. Stop insisting some entity needs to protect you and your family, use common sense and protect yourself. The world is a big scary place out there, and if you rely on others to protect yourself, you get burned.
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So why wouldn't he download it from the source..for free.
You're beginning to sound a little thick there. He's a kid, his friend sent him a link to a download. He was fooled to trust him - now he knows better.
It's funny that you should say those things about protection after all the soap box talk you had about how secure and impervious Android is - even after I showed you an article that claims 91% of all mobile malware resides on Android :rofl
I protect my family by using secure OSes for anything that needs to be secure. Windows is used only for games - and droid users have prepaid connections limiting the maximum possible damage to 20 dollars. Subscribed users may get up to 20 000 dollars charges before the carrier cuts off the connection.
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Would you have any links about this?
Back a few years I used to do the monitoring of Firewalls at a mid-sized company and did not see this kind of traffic, Is this new on just windows 8? Would also be interested in what kind of information these packets contained.
When did Microsoft say that windows in not secure?
It is used by the major financial institutions across the world on both a desktop level as well as a server level. Not going to argue that security could be better. But you can say the same thing about all systems.
Really?
Microsoft made that statement in federal court that "Windows was never designed to be secure". You can read several documents from security companies talking about the basic design of Windows and why it cannot be made secure. As long as the OS operates in user mode (as opposed to protected mode), in conjunction with applications, it cannot be made secure. Microsoft loads and runs DLL's in user mode, not protected mode.
There are just so many things wrong with the design of Windows that will never allow it to be secure.
Windows 8 added the ability for Microsoft to control what is installed on your computer. Also further augmented what information they gather from your computer.
If you want to peruse the hundreds of articles about the issues Microsoft has been denying about Smartscreen, then search it. Many show the data packet contents. That is just one of the more talked about privacy issues with Windows 8. There are a number of others.
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If you want to support Microsoft being able to tell you what you can install and what you cannot install on your computer, then that is your choice.
Skuzzy, if you like books, I recommend a small book called "They own it all, including you" by Ron MacDonald and Robert Rowen MD.
It is a little bit of a dry read until the middle of the book as they discuss a lot of black laws legalees and history. But later on they discuss ownership issues as you discuss here and privacy issues.
I am a big privacy advocate. So I agree with you 10 fold! :salute
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Your Quote on Windows was never designed to be secure” did not bring up any results that I could find on a quick Google search.
Sorry as I can’t find it I will assume that this was a while ago. NT and even 2k was horribly insecure with services and protocol decisions, But those were the good old times before security became a factor. Don’t see security as being a major issue with current windows systems compared to other widely used systems in the world. Granting users or running users at elevated user levels is a bad idea all around. Every system has bugs and I have seen windows systems operate at all levels within organizations from desktops to edge firewalls without major issues.
2. You are worried about smart screen? Smart screen is not a super-secret backdoor. It is a feature that scans incoming download files to look for unsafe applications with the future option of blocking malicious apps.
And the big thing is it can be turned off for the paranoid. This is a feature that is beneficial for 99% of the consumers that will be using it.
But everyone is entitled to their opium on what systems they should use. And what information they want to give up to make their lives easier.
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Do you understand the difference between hardware "protected mode" and "user mode"? Windows runs mostly in user mode. By that very design choice it makes it inherently insecure. The only way to protect kernel memory is to never allow access to it via user mode.
The UNIX kernel never runs in user mode. It has not done so since the eighties. This is a secure design.
That is not an opinion. It is a fact. This is not an area I am new in. I worked twenty years in operating system design and support. You can chose to believe Windows is secure, but that choice is not based on the actual design of Windows.
By the way, the quote was made in federal court. It was in response to questions about the security of Windows. It was shortly before Vista was released. Nothing has changed since then. Microsoft still uses the exact same memory manager they used in Windows XP. The only changes made were to increase the address range it could deal with.
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I'll put blinds and curtains on my windows...... and keep the blinds closed and the cutains drawn. :D
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At the end of the day, it does not matter. Few people will actually take the time to figure out what is really going on, as it is more important to have our toys than to be concerned about doing what is right. The rationalizations will come forth like a wall of fire, torching any common sense it can find.
We have gotten fat, soft, and lazy. We do not want to do anything which might cause some us to lose convenience. Microsoft, Apple, and Google all do a very good job making sure the smoke and mirrors are maintained. The consumer does an even better job of being distracted from it all and convincing themselves they have to have whatever the big three are selling.
For me, Windows 7 will be the last dollar Microsoft gets from me. Apple will never get a nickle from me. Google is on the short list as well.
Just call me paranoid and move along. By the time you get hit upside the head with what is happening, it will be too late to do anything about it and you can rest easy in the comfort your rationalizations have brought.
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Do you understand the difference between hardware "protected mode" and "user mode"? Windows runs mostly in user mode. By that very design choice it makes it inherently insecure. The only way to protect kernel memory is to never allow access to it via user mode.
The UNIX kernel never runs in user mode. It has not done so since the eighties. This is a secure design.
Given that, could it be said that Mac OS X is a more secure design that Windows?
Wab
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Given that, could it be said that Mac OS X is a more secure design that Windows?
Wab
The current Apple Mac OS is based on Freebsd. Yes, it is a more secure design than Windows is. However, Apple has introduced design elements, which do reduce the inherent secure design of the operating system. They had to in order for their applications to work. It is an unusual operating system in what they chose to keep and what they chose to toss out for their own design.
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Just call me paranoid and move along. By the time you get hit upside the head with what is happening, it will be too late to do anything about it and you can rest easy in the comfort your rationalizations have brought.
I share this concern too Skuzzy. But if I need a new computer, and I do, what OS can I use that is more secure? Understand that computers is not my gig so any help is possible. Can I buy a new computer with W7 and wipe it out and put XP back in?
Besides XP, what is another option?
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Besides XP, what is another option?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob)
:cool:,
Wab
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I share this concern too Skuzzy. But if I need a new computer, and I do, what OS can I use that is more secure? Understand that computers is not my gig so any help is possible. Can I buy a new computer with W7 and wipe it out and put XP back in?
Besides XP, what is another option?
Linux is more secure than Windows or any Apple OS, with a caveat. As long as you honor the permission system and never use the 'root' account to do anything, other than admin tasks, it is more secure than any other OS available.
For the things I have to use a Windows OS for, I am making me a install disk from my current XP desktop installation, which contains all the current patches and updates. I'll use it and Windows 7 for the Windows side of things. One day, when Microsoft decides to break those OS's I'll just get rid of anything Microsoft related.
Just remember, when Microsoft pulls the plug on XP, you will not be able to get any of the updates that have been available since XP became available.
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Linux is more secure than Windows or any Apple OS, with a caveat. As long as you honor the permission system and never use the 'root' account to do anything, other than admin tasks, it is more secure than any other OS available.
For the things I have to use a Windows OS for, I am making me a install disk from my current XP desktop installation, which contains all the current patches and updates. I'll use it and Windows 7 for the Windows side of things. One day, when Microsoft decides to break those OS's I'll just get rid of anything Microsoft related.
Just remember, when Microsoft pulls the plug on XP, you will not be able to get any of the updates that have been available since XP became available.
I was under the impression that BSD based distros were the ultimate in security. At least they seem to be ultra conservative about it. Especially now that they got rid of the CIA backdoor that was hidden in BSD for years :)
This conservativeness also means BSD is a lot more complicated to configure and use (a bit like linux in the old days) which is why it's not very popular as a desktop. I have a friend who is crazy about BSD and he has 5-6 old servers which he runs BSD on for hobby. It's all CLI for him :)
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BSD is a secure OS. Apple introduced the security issues with it when they 'Appleized' it.
I favor the CLI as well. Much easier and faster for me to use. GUI's get in my way.
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So what OS are you going to run in the future if you're a gamer? :headscratch:
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So what OS are you going to run in the future if you're a gamer? :headscratch:
I do not play game on my home computer, so it is a non-issue. However, if you believe the tech rags, the desktop PC is dead anyway. So games will all be played on a console, which is also being heralded as dieing, which means your cell phone will be the future game platform of choice.
Get ready for Angry Birds v10.
I wish I could laugh about that, but I have seen too many people watching movies on their cell phones claiming it is just as good as being at a movie.
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IF you want security on a budget go OpenBSD (More secure out of the box than linux)
If you want usability and very good security go Linux.
If you want to be a hipster or are a graphics designer go Apple
If you want to play AH go Windows 7....
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IF you want security on a budget go OpenBSD (More secure out of the box than linux)
If you want usability and very good security go Linux.
If you want to be a hipster or are a graphics designer go Apple
If you want to play AH go Windows 7....
Almost. If you want best of both worlds, dual boot to windows/linux. Use linux for daily tasks and boot to windows only when you want to play windows games.
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Almost. If you want best of both worlds, dual boot to windows/linux. Use linux for daily tasks and boot to windows only when you want to play windows games.
you are correct, but not because of dual booting... (its an obvious given that most will prob install ubuntu on a window machine and it will become that), but because one might also go Apple because they want/must develop software for apple devices.
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you are correct, but not because of dual booting... (its an obvious given that most will prob install ubuntu on a window machine and it will become that), but because one might also go Apple because they want/must develop software for apple devices.
Thats my world.
Macbook Pro ( a truly beautiful machine), and run Windows on a Fusion VM.
Over the last year since I've been developing on the Mac (iPhone/iPad development) I've grown a new appreciation for their hardware and software. (Well, maybe not for Xcode. ;))
And thats from a life long Windows Developer. And I've never been accused of being a fashion slave.
Wab
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Thats my world.
Macbook Pro ( a truly beautiful machine), and run Windows on a Fusion VM.
Over the last year since I've been developing on the Mac (iPhone/iPad development) I've grown a new appreciation for their hardware and software. (Well, maybe not for Xcode. ;))
And thats from a life long Windows Developer. And I've never been accused of being a fashion slave.
Wab
If you haven't yet updated to Mountain lion take a good backup of the older version before (if) you do. On my 17" MBP it causes intermittant freezups (the dreaded rotating beachball) which are really annoying. I'm not going to update the rest of my macs for sure.
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