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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Banshee7 on November 28, 2012, 10:04:48 AM
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New Hurris look freaking sweet!!! :aok
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Josh
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Hurri MkII B with 12 .303 machine guns for the epic ping blizzard o' doom :rock
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OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What u think eny will be on the sea cane
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WOOHOOOOOOO! Love that Sea Hurri! :aok
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Anyone else notice the MIRROR on the first screenie?
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Anyone notice the tail hook on the sea hurri is ahead of the tail wheel?
I wonder if that will present an extra challenge. New models look great!!
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Jolly good show greebo. :salute
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Thats why it's been quite for awhile.
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Wow the cockpit looks fantastic.
Where are the guns on the Sea Hurricane? :old:
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:rock :rock
So do the new models show up in old films? Otherwise I'll have to start recording new Hurri Mk1 films before I start working a new movie of my favorite plane.
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Good to see Hurricanes updated just for the IIb loadout alone!
Hopefully the flight model gets a review aswell.
Where are the guns on the Sea Hurricane? :old:
Flush inside the wing. ;)
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Flush inside the wing. ;)
But there's no holes :old:
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But there's no holes :old:
Looks like you get to file the first bug report. ;)
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Thank you HTC for updating the Barr & Stroud GM MkII. Beautiful art work as usual.
(http://www.warbirdsite.com/gunsight2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/a/img571/2629/gmmkii.gif)
(http://spitfirespares.co.uk/Website%20products%20218/gunsight%206.jpg)
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12 x .303's!!
Can't wait!
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First off - I know this is a combat flight sim, not microsoft flight sim where every button works but...
I agree - love the new models - and yes I noticed the mirrors! Will they work? Will they get rolled out across the board? Also love the landing lamps! Can I pick a key to turn on and off my landing lamps and formation lights? :) Can I have lamps on my mossie and bombers? Please please please!
Seriously - really appreciate this hitech, love the game, great job and always grateful for the new toys! (And yes - I know that lamps are probably at the bottom of the pile!)
F77
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Models look really great, particularly that cockpit!!!
Great to see HTC paying some attention to early war stuff, really hope they've also done up some of the British bomber models, Lancaster and Bostons particularly!
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Looks like you get to file the first bug report. ;)
I apologise! :old:
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Good to see Hurricanes updated just for the IIb loadout alone!
Hopefully the flight model gets a review aswell.
Flush inside the wing. ;)
I agree, can't wait for the IIb and SeaHurri to fill in some gaps in the Hurricane lineup.
Very good call HTCs, many seem eager to check them out.
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It looks amazing :aok
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With the historicly correct gunsight, half the work is finished on a Gladiator, Whirlwind and Beaufighter............ :)
Hope the spit MkI gets retrofitted with this gunsight.
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Anyone else notice the MIRROR on the first screenie?
I noticed it, just didn't point it out :)
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Josh
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It was probably a simple oversight to get us something quick to look at. But, did anyone notice in those pictures of wing leading edges that the MkI and MkII, 8 and 12 gun versions show gun ports and barrels but, the sea Hurri's leading edge is blank?
So is that a rush to post art omission or will we have a load out option in the hanger for the gun and ordinance packages for the Ib or Ic\IIc?
Ib - 8 .303 & 2 - 500lb
Ic\IIc - 4 - 20mm & 2-500lb.
I've read references that the Sea Hurri could carry 8 rockets.
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ahh but SmokinLoon said we were getting the HE 111!! I am so disappointed!
not! :)
hooray for the hurricane :x the new models and especially the new cockpit look wonderful
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ahh but SmokinLoon said we were getting the HE 111!! I am so disappointed!
not! :)
hooray for the hurricane :x the new models and especially the new cockpit look wonderful
This is a remodel. Not an addition, per say. :aok However, I'm very impressed and happy to see this stalwart get new life in AH. Having the 12 (yes, twelve!!!) .30 cal MG's will make for an interesting gun boat. Remember, it takes approximately four .30 cal MG rounds to equal a single .50 cal. However, most of the .30 cals have about 3 times the rate of fire. Do the math for a damage over time value, say a 3 second burst. Impressive.
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It's only a model
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9761/nb84xv0295207.jpg)
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The Sea Hurricane is a Mk IB/C hybrid, so there will be hangar loadouts for eight 303s or four Hispanos. No rockets though.
I guess HTC just forgot to select an armament option before taking the screenshots.
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The Sea Hurricane is a Mk IB/C hybrid, so there will be hangar loadouts for eight 303s or four Hispanos. No rockets though.
I guess HTC just forgot to select an armament option before taking the screenshots.
Looks fantastic Greebo, Great Job. :aok :salute
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Since the pic at keypad 2 is a repeat of keypad 1:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/hurricane/hurricane-mk2d-2.jpg)
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The Sea Hurricane is a Mk IB/C hybrid, so there will be hangar loadouts for eight 303s or four Hispanos. No rockets though.
I guess HTC just forgot to select an armament option before taking the screenshots.
I hope the 4 20mm option slows the Sea hurri correctly.
But as to the original reason for this thread...
:O :O :O :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :x :x :x :x :airplane: :joystick:
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More planes= better planes!
The Sea Hurri has 4x20mm? That's gonna see a LOT of use in the MA. :O
Wiley.
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More planes= better planes!
The Sea Hurri has 4x20mm? That's gonna see a LOT of use in the MA. :O
Wiley.
I've been thinking, if not perked, it may inadvertently and eventually lower the perk cost of the F4U-1c if the SeaHurri with canons becomes real popular.
Greebo, thanks for your fantastic work and detail. Compliments on the wide variety and your specific selections of default skins. (and some shameless sucking up in advance for (http://warandgame.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/9_98.jpg) ).
Greebo Huricanes, Greebo MA map... is it strange to wish for a very Greebo Christmas?
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Not an addition, per say.
Gnnnhhhhhhhhhh
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/per+se
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4 20s on a nonperked turny sea plane. Im in vulcher heaven :) :angel:
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Freakin' awesome! Can't wait :aok
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sweet one of my wishes came true this year, Finally get the Hurri B with 12x 303s :)
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In before: HO.
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I've been thinking, if not perked, it may inadvertently and eventually lower the perk cost of the F4U-1c if the SeaHurri with canons becomes real popular.
The amount of ammo in the C-Hog will be the big difference.
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The amount of ammo in the C-Hog will be the big difference.
and the speed too, surely? I think speed seems to be the the prime draw for a large percentage of players, above and beyond the gun package
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Love the addition of the tropical filter on the IID. :aok
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The Sea Hurricane Mk IC will probably be inferior to the RAF's Mk IIC. First you have the drag and weight of the tailhook and catapult spools to contend with, much the same as the Seafire vs Spit Mk V.
Also the Sea Hurricane Mk I has the BoB-era single speed supercharged Merlin Mk III, not the two speed Merlin Mk XX as used in the RAF Mk II. Early Sea Hurricane Mk I's had Merlins running at 1030 hp but later on they were boosted to around 1300 hp, probably due to higher octane fuel being available. So I guess a lot will depend on the boost level the Sea Hurricane engine is set to.
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Excellent news. :aok
Im so glad that HTC has answered a long standing request (from a few here) to have the Sea Hurricane in AH. Also the Hurricane IIB was a very widely used variant as well, serving in Burma and N. Africa, also a great choice.
The Hurricane IID never really impressed me, its a niche model that saw limited use and im glad to see its not the only other variant.
:salute HTC
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YES I will fly the crap outta this plane its gorgeous even more gorgeous than my P40C :huh
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Twelve 303s. Marvellous :banana:
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Twelve 303s. Marvellous :banana:
Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink, Tink............
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Josh
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New or updated Toys in this game are like feminine favors. We are not wired to remember the last favor she gave and are always searching for more like we never received one in our lives.
Just remember the Me410. We sold ourselves a drag racing Peter Built semi, and Hitech delivered an 18 wheeler with a full load in the trailer. I see more 110's in the early AH modeling than I see 410's today.
Still I hope we get some of those all white and white sided skins. They are kind of neat looking.
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New or updated Toys in this game are like feminine favors. We are not wired to remember the last favor she gave and are always searching for more like we never received one in our lives.
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/facepalm.gif)
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I'm so happy right now!, thanks Greebo and HTC!
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Oh man I'm going to hear .303 pings after I get towered forever
I'm ok with this though, cant wait to fly it :)
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(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/facepalm.gif)
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Most women would want greater emphasis on "Not Wired to Remember"........
Group of british neurobilological researchers in the last decade used MRI and proved males just aint wired to remember. We is wired to identify, chase, and capture. That's part of why we like cartoon games where we can chase each other around and go:
PIU, PIU, PIU.................(http://www.freewebby.com/action-smilies/airplane.gif)
But, quickly get bored with our toys.
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Just remember the Me410.
Yes, but the Hurricane doesn't have a 50 ft/lb wing loading. ;)
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Yes, but the Hurricane doesn't have a 50 ft/lb wing loading. ;)
As CV based attack aircraft they will be the tool of expertin. Anyone less talented will feed the defenders. I will not be looking forward to separating the wheat from the chaff. In years past AH had some HurriWizards who caused players to make similare complaints as to the Brewster.
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/hurricane/hurricane-mk2-1.jpg)
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Hitech, Will the cannon option on the SeaHurri slow it down to under 280?
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z460/queenslander2/SeaHurriMkIC.jpg)
Sea Hurricane MkIC
The Hawker Sea Hurricane Mk IC was similar to the Mk IB, but was armed with four 20mm cannon in place of the eight .303in machine guns of the earlier aircraft. The Mk IC was produced by fitting Hurricane IIC wings onto late-series Hurricane I fuselages, converted to carry the arrestor hook and catapult spools needed for naval operations. The extra weight of the cannon wings had a surprisingly dramatic impact on the top speed of the aircraft, dropping it below 300mph, but the extra firepower was invaluable.
The Sea Hurricane Mk IC entered service in January 1942 with No.811 Squadron, and was later used by Nos.801, 802, 803, 880, 883 and 885 Squadrons. Alongside the Mk IB it took part in the defence of Arctic Convoy PQ18, with aircraft from Nos. 802 and 882 Squadrons operating on HMS Avenger. Four Sea Hurricanes were lost during the battles around the convoy, although three of the pilots were rescued, and five enemy aircraft shot down, demonstrating the value of the Sea Hurricane. Although its lower speed made it difficult for the Mk IC to catch the Ju 88, the firepower from the four cannon made a kill far more likely when combat did occur, while many encounters were with older, slower German aircraft.
Fleet Carrier fighter
Engine: Rolls Royce Merlin III
Power: 1,030hp
Crew: 1
Wing span: 40ft
Length: 31ft 4in
Height: 12ft 11.5in
Normal Loaded Weight: 7,605lb
Tropical Normal Loaded Weight: 8,210lb
Max Speed: 276mph at 17,400ft
Cruising Speed:
Service Ceiling: 34,200ft
Range: 505 miles
Armament: Four 20mm cannon
Bomb-load: Two 250lb bombs (early), two 500lb bombs (later) or two 44 Imperial gallon drop tanks
Naval Equipment: Naval radio, A-frame arrestor hook and catapult spools
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I've read references that the Sea Hurri could carry 8 rockets.
The Seahurri IIc where modified to fire rockets but only used them, as far I could tell with the 25lb Solid shot head. The S/S where designed to punch through and sink shipping.
As the development of airborne rockets was urgent, it was decided to use the 3 inch rocket motor used for A.A. use and to develop a 25lb shot and 60lb shell rocket head. The 25lb shot was relatively easy to design as it was similar to shot used in gun ammunition, these were first used in action in June 1942. It was also later found that 25dpr AP shot could be modified to be fired from rockets, towards the end of 1944 a new type of shot was introduced, this also weighed 25lbs but had a more tapered shape and thus a straighter underwater trajectory.
The 25lb shot headed rockets were used successfully against seaborne targets, especially submarines. In trials the AP rockets were found to cause serious damage to tanks, especially as after penetration of the armour they introduced burning and unburnt cordite into the tank which virtually guaranteed a fire to take place inside the vehicle. Although very damaging, the rockets were inaccurate and even if several rockets were fired at once a hit was not guaranteed.
On top of that the rockets caused alot of drag and many hurris had their 20mm guns reduced to 2 or removed altogether to gain back some performance.
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rockets is a good question Fish,
will any of the variants have them as a loadout option?
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rockets is a good question Fish,
will any of the variants have them as a loadout option?
Very slim to no chance.
The only Hurri that was factory fitted to use Rockets was the Hurri IV, which would see very little use in AH. Its was armed with 8 rockets and 1-2 aiming 303s.
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after Huuri next new plane will be F-86 plus MiG-15 starting a new KMA. My uncle told me so :bolt:
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Very slim to no chance.
The only Hurri that was factory fitted to use Rockets was the Hurri IV, which would see very little use in AH. Its was armed with 8 rockets and 1-2 aiming 303s.
Seahurricanes were fitted with 2x 250lb bombs, as the Mk IIB model, the IIC model had 2x 500lb bombs. Someone will have to look into it, but I believe the IIC was fitted with 4x rockets and not a field modification.
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The Seahurri IIc where modified to fire rockets but only used them, as far I could tell with the 25lb Solid shot head. The S/S where designed to punch through and sink shipping.
On top of that the rockets caused alot of drag and many hurris had their 20mm guns reduced to 2 or removed altogether to gain back some performance.
Too bad the 2-cannon option is probabley a field mod and there's no testing data on it, or am I mistaken?
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Too bad the 2-cannon option is probabley a field mod and there's no testing data on it, or am I mistaken?
Its a field mod, out the factory they had 4x 20mm cannons, pilots choice probably.
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2 x 20mm Shvak + 2 x 12,7 mm UB + 6x RS-82 - standard Hurricane's armament in Russia from 1942. All rearmed at Factory #81
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2 x 20mm Shvak + 2 x 12,7 mm UB + 6x RS-82 - standard Hurricane's armament in Russia from 1942. All rearmed at Factory #81
They were factory then, nice. I have seen pictures of rearmed Hurris, but was not sure if they where field modded.
Then again its hard to tell what was normal over there, as I have seen hurricanes modded to have a tail gunner :huh.
(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/KleinBernhard/6755L.jpg)
"During WW II, several Hawker Hurricanes were delivered to the Soviet Union, and were subject to numerous modifications, some rather far-going. In one of the modified batches the Hurricanes were equipped with additional post for a rear gunner with a ShKAS machine gun. These aircraft were used for long range artillery spotting. The gunner was also a spotter to correct the artillery fire. In order to facilitate his task, a port was cut out in the bottom of the aeroplane. Some 20 aircraft were converted that way. They flew in Leningrad, Volkhov, Kalinin Fronts."
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Sea Hurricanes in the Mediterranean! w00t!!!
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Awaiting Tank-Ace to argue with butcher..
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2 x 20mm Shvak + 2 x 12,7 mm UB + 6x RS-82 - standard Hurricane's armament in Russia from 1942. All rearmed at Factory #81
Hmmmmmmm...... very interesting. :airplane:
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Hmmmmmmm...... very interesting. :airplane:
Yeah that would be fun to fly.
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Hmmmmmmm...... very interesting. :airplane:
The Soviets removed most of the .303 guns and replaced them with either two 12.7 mm Berezin UBs and/or two or even four 20 mm ShVAK cannons because of the low hitting power of the .303s. The result was decreased performance due to the addition of the Soviet guns.
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The Soviets removed most of the .303 guns and replaced them with either two 12.7 mm Berezin UBs and/or two or even four 20 mm ShVAK cannons because of the low hitting power of the .303s. The result was decreased performance due to the addition of the Soviet guns.
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4 x12,7 UB was early field mod. 4x20 mm Shvak was a rare factory mod for HurricaneIIC .
The result was decreased performance due to the addition of the Soviet guns.
20mm Shvak and 12,7 mm UB fitted well in the wings and did not decrease perfomance. RS-82 rockets decreased speed slightly.
The most performance decrease was with additional 2 x100 Kg bombs:
(http://thumb2.wuala.com/previewImage/-aper-/AH/temp/hurricane.jpg)
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Love the addition of the Sea Hurri. I can see why they left the rockets option off as they really were for antisubmarine use only.
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Love the addition of the Sea Hurri. I can see why they left the rockets option off as they really were for antisubmarine use only.
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HT alreay asked for help modeling troops for A (possible)FPS portion to the game and we all KNOW he wants subs.... :noid
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Love the addition of the Sea Hurri. I can see why they left the rockets option off as they really were for antisubmarine use only.
IIRC the rockets were only used on the Sea Hurricane Mk IIC and ours is a Mk IB/C.
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20mm Shvak and 12,7 mm UB fitted well in the wings and did not decrease performance. RS-82 rockets decreased speed slightly.
The most performance decrease was with additional 2 x100 Kg bombs:
The refit also included the fitting of seat armour (as used in the Lagg3).
It would be nice to see the Hurr IIb with the 2 x Shvak and 2 x 12.7. The refit was carried out in Moscow against freshly delivered aircraft. Although they were not always new aircraft, they would be a mix of de commissioned and production surplus (that the RAF now replaced with later models). However they were delivered in boxes and had to be partially re assembled.
Igor Kaberov's memoirs (Russian naval pilot 41 to 43) do not fondly remember the Hurricane. He transitioned to it in from a Yak1 and then onto a late Lagg3 (both he claims with VK105PF engines). He considered both the Russian air craft superior in speed and handling with the Yak the "lightest" and most responsive of them all. However he viewed the Hurricane as vastly superior in firepower and very stable with good resistance to enemy fire. He also commented on the vastly superior radio.
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The refit also included the fitting of seat armour (as used in the Lagg3).
It would be nice to see the Hurr IIb with the 2 x Shvak and 2 x 12.7. The refit was carried out in Moscow against freshly delivered aircraft. Although they were not always new aircraft, they would be a mix of de commissioned and production surplus (that the RAF now replaced with later models). However they were delivered in boxes and had to be partially re assembled.
Igor Kaberov's memoirs (Russian naval pilot 41 to 43) do not fondly remember the Hurricane. He transitioned to it in from a Yak1 and then onto a late Lagg3 (both he claims with VK105PF engines). He considered both the Russian air craft superior in speed and handling with the Yak the "lightest" and most responsive of them all. However he viewed the Hurricane as vastly superior in firepower and very stable with good resistance to enemy fire. He also commented on the vastly superior radio.
As far as I remember Kaberov's book he flew I-16 (summer 1941), LaGG-3 (end of 1941), Yak-1 (early 1942), Hurricane (mid 1942), LaGG-3 (early 1943), La-5 (mid 1943).
He did not like Hurricanes due to lack of speed, very poor diving abilities, and limited vertical performance, but appreciated the armament 2 x 20mm and 2 x 12,7 mm guns and good radio/instrumental equipment.
Another interesting book was written by A.Kozhevnikov. Their squad received Hurricanes in mid 1942. After I-16 the first impression of Hurricane was:
"This plane has a big inertia and quite heavy on stick and controls... but it is maneuverable."
Kozhevnikov scored 4 victories flying Hurricane (Me-109, MC.200, 2 x Ju-88). In mid 1943 their squad was reequipped to Yak-7b. He considered Yak-7b much better plane than Hurricane.