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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Tac on November 30, 2012, 10:01:11 PM
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This is the first radeon card i own. Upgrade from an old Nvidia GT240.
On paper it should outperform the old card but in practice it just gives roughly 15fps more on most games.
..but it stutters. Something the old nvidia card doesnt do.
I've updated the drivers to the latest AMD catalyst ones (though mine is MSI Radeon card...i dont see MSI releasing drivers for this). Not the beta but the current standard ones.
My system:
Phenom II quad core 955 BE
MSI 870-G54A mobo
MSI Radeon 7770 1gb
16gb DDR3 1333mhz.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
edit: mispelled the card. 7770 :P
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This is the first radeon card i own. Upgrade from an old Nvidia GT240.
On paper it should outperform the old card but in practice it just gives roughly 15fps more on most games.
..but it stutters. Something the old nvidia card doesnt do.
I've updated the drivers to the latest AMD catalyst ones (though mine is MSI Radeon card...i dont see MSI releasing drivers for this). Not the beta but the current standard ones.
My system:
Phenom II quad core 955 BE
MSI 870-G54A mobo
MSI Radeon 7770 1gb
16gb DDR3 1333mhz.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
edit: mispelled the card. 7770 :P
The 7770 is a lower mid-level card but quite capable for its price. Did you use driver cleaner or reinstall the OS after removing the nvidia card? You may have remains of Nvidia still on your computer. Have you overclocked your CPU? The AMD cpus are horrible performers but the BE should overclock quite easily which makes up part of the gap. If you run it on stock then you're CPU bottlenecked.
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Hmm i removed the nvidia drivers... is there a tool nvidia makes to remove all of it? I see some via google search but never heard of the websites that contain it.
No, nothing is overclocked.
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Hmm i removed the nvidia drivers... is there a tool nvidia makes to remove all of it? I see some via google search but never heard of the websites that contain it.
No, nothing is overclocked.
Plenty of tools for it, this is one example: http://www.guru3d.com/content_page/guru3d_driver_sweeper.html
Uninstall your graphics drivers once more, use the driver sweeper, reboot and reinstall. If it still stutters after that you've got some other problem. May even be a faulty card.
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The AMD CPUs are not horrible. That 955 is still a bit above the Sandy Bridge i3 on stock clock.
Im using the same CPU with just a little bit better card, and its definiately not a bottleneck.
Definiately shouldnt be CPU-bottlenecked.
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I have a phenom X4
HD 6970
Putting the game on its own partition solved lots of problems :old:
AMD causes stutters apparently :old:
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The AMD CPUs are not horrible. That 955 is still a bit above the Sandy Bridge i3 on stock clock.
Im using the same CPU with just a little bit better card, and its definiately not a bottleneck.
Definiately shouldnt be CPU-bottlenecked.
Having the high-end cpu at the level of entry-level cpu of the competing company = pretty horrible.
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The cost of the intel is too high for many.
Plus, considering any and all games run on this thing , have for the past 2 years and will for at least 3 years more.. I find it silly to spend 300 dollars on a CPU when I can get a fully functional, no issues CPU with the games at less than 100.
I ran the drive cleaner and the stutters remain. I'm going to try the beta drivers next.
I don't think its the card itself. It runs skyrim no problem but in MWO , STO , AH and BG:E it does stutter a bit and my old card never did that.
I'm starting to wonder if its because radeon doesn't have cuda/physx stuff.
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Dont listen to Ripley, comparing a 2009 cpu to a 2012 one is highly unfair. Otherwise an 3.8GHz, the phenom knows 80% as much as the i5-3570 at 3.4, the difference is not as drastical, so no worries.
CUDA/PhisX has nothing to do with stutters, especially not in AH.
Let me guess: when you start to play, you get a decent fps, but after a while its decreasing to the 10-20 range? I have the same problem with a 5830, Fester had the same problem with a 560ti, guessing it is a bug with the V-RAM. Alt+tab in and out usually solves the problem for me.
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power supply :old:
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I've a 600W PSU. It can handle it plenty.
No, the stutters happen when the game seems to try to load new textures. For example in MWO when a mech comes into view for the first time it stut-stutters and then its ok. FPS does not drop.
In Skyrim I don't get stuttering.
In Star Trek Online I sometimes get stuttering when a new special effect is loaded (explosion?) for the first time.
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I've a 600W PSU. It can handle it plenty.
No, the stutters happen when the game seems to try to load new textures. For example in MWO when a mech comes into view for the first time it stut-stutters and then its ok. FPS does not drop.
In Skyrim I don't get stuttering.
In Star Trek Online I sometimes get stuttering when a new special effect is loaded (explosion?) for the first time.
Sounds like a driver problem. Use a driver cleaner program to get rid of any nvidia dirvers that may be left and you may want to uninstall all of the ones for your new card as well and go from scratch.
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Did that already.
Even updated my mobo bios just for kicks.
Turns out the beta drivers are not XP compatible. UGH.
Guess im stuck with this weirdness.
First and last Radeon i'll ever own :old:
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I have no problem what so ever with the 7770!
but i got most of my gain by going to a solid state hard drive,, I cannot express how much difference it made!
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Dont listen to Ripley, comparing a 2009 cpu to a 2012 one is highly unfair. Otherwise an 3.8GHz, the phenom knows 80% as much as the i5-3570 at 3.4, the difference is not as drastical, so no worries.
CUDA/PhisX has nothing to do with stutters, especially not in AH.
Let me guess: when you start to play, you get a decent fps, but after a while its decreasing to the 10-20 range? I have the same problem with a 5830, Fester had the same problem with a 560ti, guessing it is a bug with the V-RAM. Alt+tab in and out usually solves the problem for me.
could the problem be the amd processor itself? it has been discussed many times that amd and aces high sometimes dont play nice. and that is due to the amd cpu itself, it doesnt happen with all amd cpus, but it does happen with some. it has also been pointed out that a lot of the problems in the game happen with those who have amd cpus.
midway
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doubt it since the old GT240 worked a-ok.
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I have a 7870 and an Intel E8400 and I get minor stutters occasionally as well.
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Did that already.
Even updated my mobo bios just for kicks.
Turns out the beta drivers are not XP compatible. UGH.
Guess im stuck with this weirdness.
First and last Radeon i'll ever own :old:
It's kinda ironic that you support nvidia which is known to carry a price premium even when having no benefits in performance and yet refuse to use Intel products which clearly outperform the competition. The Radeon is not the reason for your problems, it's something else. Do you have enough system ram? Maybe your computer starts to swap when new textures load or something?
If you still use XP, how old is your installation? If you've been using it for years chances are your registry is filled with gunk and half of your dlls are not what they should be anymore. A format and reinstall will make wonders most probably. In reality you should upgrade anyway, XP is discontinued long time ago and the drivers are not developed for it anymore.
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He stated that he has 16GB ram... if thats enough... ;)
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He stated that he has 16GB ram... if thats enough... ;)
16Gb ram on a Windows XP? Someone doesn't know what he's doing now.
With the 7770 he has little over 2Gb of usable ram left from that.
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Reinstalling system is a very good idea :old:
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If I was going to switch between ATI and NVidia (either way), I would bite the bullet and reinstall the operating system. It really is not simple to switch between those two brands. They do what they can to make sure you regret it if you do.
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16Gb ram on a Windows XP? Someone doesn't know what he's doing now.
With the 7770 he has little over 2Gb of usable ram left from that.
Its ready for an OS upgrade.. just need to get around to save for it. I'm not impressed with Win8.
What do you mean it has little over 2gb because of the 7770? This is the first I hear of this :confused:
Skuzzy & Ripley: I had not considered that possibility. Could be. Will see how I can get it done... my next upgrade is my HDD anyway. We'll see.
Ripley: My AMD fandom is the price not the performance per se. Like I said, a phenom II x4 955 runs any and all games out there pretty darn well and for under 100 bucks its something I like. I wont be getting a 300 dollar CPU to get what is essentially a not so visible performance boost in said games. I don't have that kind of cash to toss around. :)
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Tac,
i would recommend the Win7. Please dont waste your money on the windows8.
Dont worry, from 16GB you will have a load of ram remaining for your programs. Actually 8 is enough for almost anything but high quality rendering.
Your system is actually all-AMD, it should work well withouth problems - see, AMD is not stupid producing hardware what are incompatible with each other. I hope everything will work allright after the reinstallation.
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Its ready for an OS upgrade.. just need to get around to save for it. I'm not impressed with Win8.
What do you mean it has little over 2gb because of the 7770? This is the first I hear of this :confused:
Skuzzy & Ripley: I had not considered that possibility. Could be. Will see how I can get it done... my next upgrade is my HDD anyway. We'll see.
Ripley: My AMD fandom is the price not the performance per se. Like I said, a phenom II x4 955 runs any and all games out there pretty darn well and for under 100 bucks its something I like. I wont be getting a 300 dollar CPU to get what is essentially a not so visible performance boost in said games. I don't have that kind of cash to toss around. :)
What I mean is that Windows XP is a 32-bit operating system. It can only use 4Gb of memory and even from that your display memory, memory reserved for peripherals etc. is removed. Because the 7770 has 1 gig of display memory it will leave less than 3 gigabytes of usable ram for your operating system and applications.
From your 16 gigs, 13 is completely useless when using XP. Even PAE won't help because the 32-bit drivers do not support it.
The AMD hardware has proven to be more problematic than intel, mainly because of hardware compatibility and driver problems. It can theoretically be one of the sources of stutter when combined with the new graphics card. Most likely however is that your OS installation is just messed up after having different brand drivers installed one after another.
I would try to do a clean reinstall of the OS before buying any new hardware. Clean setup and make sure you install up to date versions of all drivers, especially the motherboard drivers. Windows XP is fighting a lost cause already - as you've noticed manufacturers are dropping support for it completely. It's several years outdated.
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Are there no 64bit XPs??
As far as i can remember, there were 64bit AMD CPUs back in 2004, when the vista were nowhere in sight.
Im getting curious.
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Are there no 64bit XPs??
As far as i can remember, there were 64bit AMD CPUs back in 2004, when the vista were nowhere in sight.
Im getting curious.
The 64-bit XP (XP64) was extremely rare and drivers for it are even more rare. Which coincidentally is the reason it was never widely adopted. It's highly unlikely the OP has the 64-bit version.
Server versions of Windows were available in 64-bit form for a long time before they came mainstream.
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Thanks for the info!
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Tac- I skim/read most of the thread, but didn't notice anybody mention it. Have you tried a defrag of your HD? If I missed that you had, my apologies. If you haven't, you might try it. I've seen it improve similar situations to what you're describing just because the wrong file was in pieces.
Might do nothing, might fix it for little to no effort.
Good luck in any case.
Wiley.
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Ok i have had alot of flickering and artifacts with my 7850 card.I RMAd and got my second card in two months and had same issues.Went to AMD forums and noticed ALOT of people are having issues with 7xxx series cards and the new drivers.Heres what i did and it fixed all my problems.First download driversweeper then go to Amd driver site and download driver 12.4.Uninstall current driver restart boot into safe mode and use driversweeper to purge old drivers.Then install 12.4 and see if this fixes your problems.Amd knows about these issues and is working on them.There last driver fixed some performace issues flickering and lockups on some games.
Try this and let me know if it works for you.
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Are there no 64bit XPs??
As far as i can remember, there were 64bit AMD CPUs back in 2004, when the vista were nowhere in sight.
Im getting curious.
I bought my computer back in late 2005 and it was advertised as a 64 bit system. however the version of xp that it had was only a 32 bit. later I was able to install windows 64 on it and it ran with no problems.
midway
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I bought my computer back in late 2005 and it was advertised as a 64 bit system. however the version of xp that it had was only a 32 bit. later I was able to install windows 64 on it and it ran with no problems.
midway
You may be referring to the Athlon 64's. The CPU was 64 bit but the OS in the time was still 32.
For the r
Ok i have had alot of flickering and artifacts with my 7850 card.I RMAd and got my second card in two months and had same issues.Went to AMD forums and noticed ALOT of people are having issues with 7xxx series cards and the new drivers.Heres what i did and it fixed all my problems.First download driversweeper then go to Amd driver site and download driver 12.4.Uninstall current driver restart boot into safe mode and use driversweeper to purge old drivers.Then install 12.4 and see if this fixes your problems.Amd knows about these issues and is working on them.There last driver fixed some performace issues flickering and lockups on some games.
Try this and let me know if it works for you.
Thanks I will try that.
The 64-bit XP (XP64) was extremely rare and drivers for it are even more rare. Which coincidentally is the reason it was never widely adopted. It's highly unlikely the OP has the 64-bit version.
Server versions of Windows were available in 64-bit form for a long time before they came mainstream.
Actually I do. Winxp 64 bit pro :)
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You may be referring to the Athlon 64's. The CPU was 64 bit but the OS in the time was still 32.
For the r
Thanks I will try that.
Actually I do. Winxp 64 bit pro :)
Well then most likely your problems are caused by your OS, it has never shined in the driver front. The 64-bit version is a bastardized Server 2003 in disguise. You would be better off using 7 or even 8 compatibility wise.
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Windows XP 64bit is a pretty poorly supported OS.
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You may be referring to the Athlon 64's. The CPU was 64 bit but the OS in the time was still 32.
no it was a gateway with dual core intel cpus.
midway
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Windows XP 64bit is a pretty poorly supported OS.
BTW skuzz, aside from the smurfy interface, is Win8 better functionality wise than Win7?
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Update:
It was the os.
Fresh reinstall after fdisk and format had same issues.
Upgraded to win8 and voila 80fps no stutters.
Win8 ain't so bad but I do see an ugly trend starting here...MS is becoming apple-ized :(
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BTW skuzz, aside from the smurfy interface, is Win8 better functionality wise than Win7?
No.
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Update:
It was the os.
Fresh reinstall after fdisk and format had same issues.
Upgraded to win8 and voila 80fps no stutters.
Win8 ain't so bad but I do see an ugly trend starting here...MS is becoming apple-ized :(
Install startisback, start8 or something similar - you'll get the start menu back and don't have to bother with the metro.
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When I get my new PC it's going to be intel as I have read here AMD has problems with read write in game :old:
Is the GTX680 same standard as hd6970? :old:
My wife buys me things to keep me quite by the way :rofl
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I've a 600W PSU. It can handle it plenty.
No, the stutters happen when the game seems to try to load new textures. For example in MWO when a mech comes into view for the first time it stut-stutters and then its ok. FPS does not drop.
In Skyrim I don't get stuttering.
In Star Trek Online I sometimes get stuttering when a new special effect is loaded (explosion?) for the first time.
I get the same lil stutter when i run the game from my HD.When i was running from my SSD i had no stutter so i think its the reading the new information from the HD.