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Title: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Copprhed on December 12, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
This ridiculous horse hockey in the DA, with everything enabled is totally ruining the Dueling Arena. I thought Temptards were bad, but these idiots zooming around in 262s spoiling everyone else's fights is enough. I won't stay if that's what I have to deal with now.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: cattb on December 12, 2012, 03:58:56 PM
Get a 262 and shoot them down :D
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: homersipes on December 12, 2012, 04:02:07 PM
I thought it was kinda fun to zoom around the 262s, I dont play in the MA enough to get perks so I thought it was different, but not bad.  I noticed that the regulars that fly in the DA  also have no clue of how to REALLY fly them(myself included) but I think if they are to stay in the DA people will not use them as much as they were last night, kinda like a fad that dies out.  but thats just my opinion :D
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Copprhed on December 12, 2012, 04:09:32 PM
The problem is that they are only enable for Rooks, no one else...it's Tiffs on steroids...they pick on people who are already engaged...away from others....they get to fights even faster than Tiffs, and on radar, you can't tell what they are...can't even be prepared.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: RedBull1 on December 12, 2012, 04:13:06 PM
All I can say is keep your SA about you bud, 262 has quad 30mm's meaning it will only take ONE ping from any one of his guns to kill any fighter in the the arena, psshh and people complain about my k4's single tater  :old:

Also: You may want to post in the bug report forum, because I am sure this is a bug they will likely have fixed in the next patch
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Copprhed on December 12, 2012, 04:33:18 PM
Skuzzy says they're enabled...guess this is my ticket out of the game...not even worth 15 if they leave it. :(
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: RedBull1 on December 12, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
In my year and a half in AH I've never seen Jets, etc. enabled? Why now?

No reason to leave the game, you can still 1v1 people in the canyons, you can still fly MA (some fights are as close as DA fights, no difference unless you use F3 mode), Mid war, Early war, train up in the Training arena, or hell - up a jet yourself and kill them all :t

I'd log in and help you but my account got locked today  :rofl
Oops, forgot to pay teh bills  :uhoh
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Zoney on December 12, 2012, 04:40:38 PM
Skuzzy says they're enabled...guess this is my ticket out of the game...not even worth 15 if they leave it. :(

Don't be silly.  Fly one. OR don't.  The DA will sttle down in just a few days.  I was always dissappointed that they were not enabled in the DA.  That is supposed to be the place to practice duels in isn't it.  Or at least practice dogfighting.  Always amazed me that one of the most difficult planes to fly was never there before.  Have you flown one?  They aren't easy to get kills in against good fighters.  Are you a good fighter pilot?  Then pay attention and avoid their easily avoidable moves.  OR don't and leave over it.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: titanic3 on December 12, 2012, 04:42:38 PM
How to kill in a 262:

1. Point nose at enemy plane in a merge
2. Fire at 1.0K
3. Pull up
4. Watch him fly into your bullets at exactly 800 yards.

Try it if you're feeling risky. Always works for me.  ;)
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Skuzzy on December 12, 2012, 04:47:03 PM
Skuzzy says they're enabled...guess this is my ticket out of the game...not even worth 15 if they leave it. :(

I did not say they were enabled.  It was an error for them to be enabled and I already fixed them.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: RedBull1 on December 12, 2012, 04:52:04 PM
I did not say they were enabled.  It was an error for them to be enabled and I already fixed them.
:aok  :cheers:

 :salute
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: LCADolby on December 12, 2012, 05:04:04 PM
Hang out at the cess pool at your own risk.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: HL117 on December 12, 2012, 06:11:37 PM
Hang out at the cess pool at your own risk.

I like to call it the washing machine, everything goes in and round and round till done.

 :D

HL
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: MK-84 on December 12, 2012, 07:24:42 PM
How to kill in a 262:

1. Point nose at enemy plane in a merge
2. Fire at 1.0K
3. Pull up
4. Watch him fly into your bullets at exactly 800 yards.

Try it if you're feeling risky. Always works for me.  ;)

     I've used this tactic to limited success.  When driving headon into an approaching enemy while flying a 262 you will essentially ALWAYS face an enemy that will HO you. (including the ones who "will never HO", they seem to make an exception to their own rule in this case).
     Occasionally when in the 262 it may make sense to lob a short burst while slowly pulling up and away out of the headon situation.  I say occasionally because this is certainly not a good tactic.  Your adversary can change his direction (AoA?) far quicker then you can and is in all likelihood firing at you with zero regard for his own personal safety.  I use this tactic when I find myself in an unexpected merge, which is usually  a result of me screwing up.  It is less an attempt to dissuade the attacker from a HO (it wont) but to hopefully knock a threat out of exsistence, or more likely force him to adjust his tactics in a way that better suits me.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Scotch on December 12, 2012, 07:48:22 PM
 Occasionally when in the 262 it may make sense to lob a short burst while slowly pulling up and away out of the headon situation.  I say occasionally because this is certainly not a good tactic.  Your adversary can change his direction (AoA?) far quicker then you can and is in all likelihood firing at you with zero regard for his own personal safety.  I use this tactic when I find myself in an unexpected merge, which is usually  a result of me screwing up.  It is less an attempt to dissuade the attacker from a HO (it wont) but to hopefully knock a threat out of exsistence, or more likely force him to adjust his tactics in a way that better suits me.

 :aok
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Debrody on December 12, 2012, 08:37:34 PM
Skuzzy,
is that possible to enable the 262s only at a certain pair of airfields (far enough from the furball lake) to let us practice jet vs jet dogfighting?
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Changeup on December 12, 2012, 09:16:15 PM
Does this mean Copperhd has to give Skuzzy a "Saved a Subscription" achievement award?  Just asking... :D

#skuzzysbonusisnowsecure
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: FiLtH on December 12, 2012, 10:33:18 PM
Skuzzy,
is that possible to enable the 262s only at a certain pair of airfields (far enough from the furball lake) to let us practice jet vs jet dogfighting?


   That would be nice. But a long ways from Iron Bottom Bog.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 13, 2012, 08:13:31 AM
Skuzzy,
is that possible to enable the 262s only at a certain pair of airfields (far enough from the furball lake) to let us practice jet vs jet dogfighting?

+1.  A Jets only furball area sounds like it could be alotta fun.  Put it on the other side of the map and there should be no issues.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: ImADot on December 13, 2012, 08:54:16 AM
is that possible to enable the 262s only at a certain pair of airfields (far enough from the furball lake) to let us practice jet vs jet dogfighting?

+1.  A Jets only furball area sounds like it could be alotta fun.  Put it on the other side of the map and there should be no issues.


Have someone spawn a custom arena (with ANY map you want); Enable only 262's. If you regularly get 16 people and players are getting turned away because of that limit, then you can start your petition for jets in the DA. HTC has them disabled in the DA for a reason, even if none of us knows what the reason is.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 13, 2012, 09:21:56 AM

Have someone spawn a custom arena (with ANY map you want); Enable only 262's. If you regularly get 16 people and players are getting turned away because of that limit, then you can start your petition for jets in the DA. HTC has them disabled in the DA for a reason, even if none of us knows what the reason is.

I guess if you say so.....the point is to create the same kind of open furball lake like there is in the DA now.  Maybe its been tried before my time and doesn't work, who knows.  I doubt having someone spawn a custom arena would produce the same results.  Would someone need to always be in that arena for it to stay open?  I dont have any experience with customs.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Lusche on December 13, 2012, 09:39:16 AM
I doubt having someone spawn a custom arena would produce the same results.  Would someone need to always be in that arena for it to stay open? 

Yes.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: icepac on December 13, 2012, 10:56:49 AM
Put the fuel burn to 2.0 since I can fly a spit all the way across the map and almost all the way back on 50% fuel.....without drop tanks.

Fuel management is a large part of combat and it has been removed by the 1.0 fuel burn.

Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 13, 2012, 11:27:46 AM
Yes.

Well theres the problem with that scenerio.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 13, 2012, 11:51:07 AM
I wanted to spoil peoples fun in the DA.

I took a WWI plane and buzzed above the lake looking for vulches. Soon enough I saw a few late war birds engaged in a turnfight... HA! Perfect prey for me.

I turn the bird into a dive and start closing in to the unexpected prey - what a humiliation it will be to get shot down by a WWI bird!!

I dive and dive.. and dive..
Crack.. wings are gone.  :rock
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: VuduVee on December 13, 2012, 01:32:50 PM
sucks when the shoes on the other foot huh copprhead? the DA is crap anyway. its a fake MA whose regulars are scared to fly the real MA. but they would fit right in with the MA. they can hangout at the end of runways waiting for lifters in the MA, just like they do in the DA. they can pick 1vs1's in the MA, just like they do in the DA. and run from fights, just like the MA. i think the jets fit right in with the fake MA mentality.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: nrshida on December 13, 2012, 02:13:27 PM
sucks when the shoes on the other foot huh copprhead? the DA is crap anyway. its a fake MA whose regulars are scared to fly the real MA.

Ah the popular misconception that the DA lake regulars are afraid to fly in the MA  :lol

The biggest distinguishing feature between the furball lake and the MA is that DA sticks typically engage and fight it out whatever, whereas the typical MA pilot fades in and out according to whether they posses the advantage or not, so 'scared to fly the real MA' is rather amusing to me.

Btw, I don't know what your problem is with Copprhead, but he's probably done more to promote good friendly fights than anyone in there since the regulars of The Breakfast Club gave up trying to do so.



You can segregate those that fly at the lake into two factions: those that fight, and those that show up to exploit those that fight, that's why the 262 would be an even bigger pest than the Tempests.




Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Changeup on December 13, 2012, 02:30:58 PM
Ah the popular misconception that the DA lake regulars are afraid to fly in the MA  :lol

The biggest distinguishing feature between the furball lake and the MA is that DA sticks typically engage and fight it out whatever, whereas the typical MA pilot fades in and out according to whether they posses the advantage or not, so 'scared to fly the real MA' is rather amusing to me.

Btw, I don't know what your problem is with Copprhead, but he's probably done more to promote good friendly fights than anyone in there since the regulars of The Breakfast Club gave up trying to do so.



You can segregate those that fly at the lake into two factions: those that fight, and those that show up to exploit those that fight, that's why the 262 would be an even bigger pest than the Tempests.


Ooooooo.  I like this a lot.  Except you neglected a small factoid:  most of the DA regulars are F3 gamers and while I find most of them fearless of the MA, I do find most of them ego-bound to the DA for their dependence on F3 gunnery.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: SPKmes on December 13, 2012, 02:32:43 PM



You can segregate those that fly at the lake into two factions: those that fight, and those that show up to exploit those that fight, that's why the 262 would be an even bigger pest than the Tempests.






Unfortunately this is all I find in here....many times it will be regulars who run to friends if they have lost the turn fight (and may not even try to turn without a buddy) and even of another chess piece....it is just pathetic.......I used to go often but it does seem to have deteriorated at the lake.....Do you still frequent the place shida? ... it was quite a different place when you and ardy...and there were a few others there helping others out a couple/three years back...surely if you look back at that time you can see that there has been a steady decline of competitiveness at the lake..there is much more bully tactics there now.

The lake is the lake I know...but it too had a good vibe...now though...in my opinion it is like a little club and if you are not a member you are out... in reflection though...it is good thing as I prefer not to be known as a member :D
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Motherland on December 13, 2012, 02:38:35 PM
Ah the popular misconception that the DA lake regulars are afraid to fly in the MA  :lol

The biggest distinguishing feature between the furball lake and the MA is that DA sticks typically engage and fight it out whatever, whereas the typical MA pilot fades in and out according to whether they posses the advantage or not, so 'scared to fly the real MA' is rather amusing to me.

Btw, I don't know what your problem is with Copprhead, but he's probably done more to promote good friendly fights than anyone in there since the regulars of The Breakfast Club gave up trying to do so.



You can segregate those that fly at the lake into two factions: those that fight, and those that show up to exploit those that fight, that's why the 262 would be an even bigger pest than the Tempests.





I wouldn't say that they don't like to run, as a lot of them do if they get the chance, but just that they can't most of the time because the average skill set of a non-Tempest flying DA lake pilot is rolling 90 degrees and pulling back until the stall limiter cuts them off, leaving them with no E to escape.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 13, 2012, 02:42:16 PM
sucks when the shoes on the other foot huh copprhead? the DA is crap anyway. its a fake MA whose regulars are scared to fly the real MA. but they would fit right in with the MA. they can hangout at the end of runways waiting for lifters in the MA, just like they do in the DA. they can pick 1vs1's in the MA, just like they do in the DA. and run from fights, just like the MA. i think the jets fit right in with the fake MA mentality.

Disagree completely.  The DA furball lake is nothing like the MA in anyway.  Its completely different.  The regulars in the DA, to me, seem to be guys who just want to dogfight.  Maybe all they like is dogfighting, maybe they are just trying to practice dogfighting.  Not everyone wants to bomb stuff, or try to take bases, or run mission type flights with their squads all the time.  Sometimes guys just want to lift off at start fighting.  Why would you say they are "scared to fly the real MA."  Im not sure why anyone would judge the DA as crap or as a "fake MA".  You sound like someone who went in there and got worked and is now sour about it.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 13, 2012, 02:46:00 PM
Unfortunately this is all I find in here....many times it will be regulars who run to friends if they have lost the turn fight and even of another chess piece....it is just pathetic.......I used to go often but it does seem to have deteriorated at the lake.....Do you still frequent the place shida? ... it was quite a different place when you and ardy...and there were a few others there helping others out a couple/three years back...surely if you look back at that time you can see that there has been a steady decline of competitiveness at the lake..there is much more bully tactics there now.

The lake is the lake I know...but it too had a good vibe...now though...in my opinion it is like a little club and if you are not a member you are out... in reflection though...it is good thing as I prefer not to be known as a member :D

I've been in the DA alot lately, and I dont see any of this.  All I find is a bunch of guys who want quick action.  Its not tactical, or strategic.  Just a quick action furball, and IMO, fun.  If I want MA type gaming, I go to the MA.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Zoney on December 13, 2012, 02:47:18 PM
What may seem at first blush to be an "us against them" argument upon closer examination to be an "us aginst us" argument.

Derisively describing how someone plays because you don't agree with their actions is unlikely to persuade them to change.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 13, 2012, 02:50:29 PM
Ah the popular misconception that the DA lake regulars are afraid to fly in the MA  :lol

The biggest distinguishing feature between the furball lake and the MA is that DA sticks typically engage and fight it out whatever, whereas the typical MA pilot fades in and out according to whether they posses the advantage or not, so 'scared to fly the real MA' is rather amusing to me.

Btw, I don't know what your problem is with Copprhead, but he's probably done more to promote good friendly fights than anyone in there since the regulars of The Breakfast Club gave up trying to do so.



You can segregate those that fly at the lake into two factions: those that fight, and those that show up to exploit those that fight, that's why the 262 would be an even bigger pest than the Tempests.





I agree.  However, I've found that the vast majority of planes I see in there are not Tempest.  I see alot of Brews, 109's, Zero's, Spits.  There are those who you can tell come in the DA so they can fly the C-Hawg and F4U-4 and Tempest for free, but they are not nearly in the majority, IMO.  And even then, who cares?  Tempests are easy as hell to shoot down in a furball.  Eventually the BnZ'ers get impatient, and start turning in the furball with the rest of us.   That why I almost always fly the Brewster in the DA, cuz it almost always breaks down into a tight turn fight in the end.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: VuduVee on December 13, 2012, 02:53:19 PM
well, they do exactly what the MA folks do. the difference is that the DA has 5-10 people in it. the MA has 300. in the DA the regs can sit at the end of the runway for easy kills, pick 1vs1s, etc..., with no real chance of another red diving out to kill them. but the MA its not so easy to do. theres always a new fight immediately. less people makes it easier for them. the MA isnt as easy to do that in, so the DA regs stay in the DA.
im sure you percieve copprhead as always promoting fun fair fights bc thats what youve seen him do. but for me, thats not what ive seen him and the other regs do. the 2 times i went to the DA, all i seen was copprhead picking me 3 times while im 1vs1. him and the other regs waiting at the end of the runway for easy kills. it was exactly like the MA. i towered, asked a squaddie to the TA and we practiced our acm chops there.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 13, 2012, 03:00:43 PM
well, they do exactly what the MA folks do. the difference is that the DA has 5-10 people in it. the MA has 300. in the DA the regs can sit at the end of the runway for easy kills, pick 1vs1s, etc..., with no real chance of another red diving out to kill them. but the MA its not so easy to do. theres always a new fight immediately. less people makes it easier for them. the MA isnt as easy to do that in, so the DA regs stay in the DA.
im sure you percieve copprhead as always promoting fun fair fights bc thats what youve seen him do. but for me, thats not what ive seen him and the other regs do. the 2 times i went to the DA, all i seen was copprhead picking me 3 times while im 1vs1. him and the other regs waiting at the end of the runway for easy kills. it was exactly like the MA. i towered, asked a squaddie to the TA and we practiced our acm chops there.

You are compltely talking out your are Arse now man.  The DA is completly different style of gaming than the MA, I still dont understand why you are comparing the two.  Have you been there lately, maybe more than the 2 times you got your butt hurt?  I NEVER see anyone vulching at the lake.  Whats the point?  We are in the DA to dogfight, not rack up vulch kills or get perk points.  Honestly, I NEVER see the type of stuff you talking about man, and I've been in the DA atleast 3-4 nights a week for the past few months.  

Also, if you are at the Furball lake.......its a FURBALL.  The lake is not for 1v1.  There are dozens of other bases you can go to in the DA if you want to 1v1 duel.  The lake is for furballing.  If you can't handle the heat, stay out the kitchen.  
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Nathan60 on December 13, 2012, 03:35:28 PM
No, Blazer in this community once a person gets upset about an arena they will dog it for the rest of time (AVA).
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 13, 2012, 03:57:22 PM
No, Blazer in this community once a person gets upset about an arena they will dog it for the rest of time (AVA).

Lol, haterz gon hate. 

Ooooooo.  I like this a lot.  Except you neglected a small factoid:  most of the DA regulars are F3 gamers and while I find most of them fearless of the MA, I do find most of them ego-bound to the DA for their dependence on F3 gunnery.

I always wonder if this is true.  For the longest time I didnt even realize you can use F3 mode in the DA (i know, im not the brightest crayon).  However, I still dont use F3 mode, unless on the rare occassion that I am practicing a specific maneuver and want to see how it looks from the outside.  But c'mon, those of you who have flown with me know I can't be practicing all that often, or I wouldn't be so easy to shoot down,  :D

Personally, I use TrackIR, and therefore F3 mode screws me up cuz TrackIR doesn't work when in F3 mode.  I think F3 mode is actually harder for me, much less natural and harder to aim. I dont use tracers.  
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: The Fugitive on December 13, 2012, 04:02:07 PM
I was at furball lake the other day, Upped a 109F got into three fights 1 on 1, before it ended I had some clown come in and "help" me by picking all three cons. Called it a day at that point.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Threeup on December 13, 2012, 04:06:56 PM
Skuzzy,
is that possible to enable the 262s only at a certain pair of airfields (far enough from the furball lake) to let us practice jet vs jet dogfighting?

Pure Genius. I knew you weren't just a pretty face.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 13, 2012, 04:15:07 PM
I was at furball lake the other day, Upped a 109F got into three fights 1 on 1, before it ended I had some clown come in and "help" me by picking all three cons. Called it a day at that point.

Did you ask him to stay off?  The lake is not generally for 1v1, its a furball, so people dont stay off usually unless their countryman asks them to stay off.  I usually see people who want to 1v1 ask someone else to meet them at one of the other bases to duel. 
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: VuduVee on December 13, 2012, 04:20:21 PM
so, youre calling me a liar? im just making things up? you didnt see it, so it cant have happened? it did happen both times, and no butt play was involved. you dont know why i compare the two arenas? furballs are constant in the MA, so why would anyone go to the DA for a frkn furball? its the same exact thing. when i went, i went expecting dogfighting, not furballing. if you want dogfighting like you say the regs do, you dont end up in a furball. i went thinking the folks in there had the pure dogfighting mentality going, like you say, and like "dueling" means. but i was wrong, bc you still get your name in lights, which makes for a pretty good reason to do everything i said happened when i went. so the purity of the dogfighting the regs are seeking goes out the window. exactly like the MA. the people there want a kill any way they can get it, just like the MA. thats how i can compare them.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Wiley on December 13, 2012, 04:41:11 PM
so, youre calling me a liar? im just making things up? you didnt see it, so it cant have happened? it did happen both times, and no butt play was involved. you dont know why i compare the two arenas? furballs are constant in the MA, so why would anyone go to the DA for a frkn furball? its the same exact thing. when i went, i went expecting dogfighting, not furballing. if you want dogfighting like you say the regs do, you dont end up in a furball. i went thinking the folks in there had the pure dogfighting mentality going, like you say, and like "dueling" means. but i was wrong, bc you still get your name in lights, which makes for a pretty good reason to do everything i said happened when i went. so the purity of the dogfighting the regs are seeking goes out the window. exactly like the MA. the people there want a kill any way they can get it, just like the MA. thats how i can compare them.


If you want to duel, ask people to duel, go to one of the dueling airbases, and do it.  MA needs no further explanation, "Furball Lake"...  Doesn't really sound like someplace one goes for 1v1.  If it was, it would be called '1v1 Lake', wouldn't it?

But no, the guys on the other side have to be psychic and know you're there to have your precious 1v1 in the middle of the furball regardless of what's going on around you.  :rolleyes:

Wiley.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 13, 2012, 04:46:15 PM
so, youre calling me a liar? im just making things up? you didnt see it, so it cant have happened? it did happen both times, and no butt play was involved. you dont know why i compare the two arenas? furballs are constant in the MA, so why would anyone go to the DA for a frkn furball? its the same exact thing. when i went, i went expecting dogfighting, not furballing. if you want dogfighting like you say the regs do, you dont end up in a furball. i went thinking the folks in there had the pure dogfighting mentality going, like you say, and like "dueling" means. but i was wrong, bc you still get your name in lights, which makes for a pretty good reason to do everything i said happened when i went. so the purity of the dogfighting the regs are seeking goes out the window. exactly like the MA. the people there want a kill any way they can get it, just like the MA. thats how i can compare them.


I'm not callin you a liar. I am calling you an ignorant whiner who doesn't know what you are talking about.  The DA furball lake is for fuballing, and only furballing.  You complaining about getting picked is a worthless complaint.  Its a FURBALL.  Stay out of the lake if you dont want to be involved in it.  If you want to 1v1 duel, then ask someone to go duel you.  

If you seriously do not understand the difference between the DA Furball lake and random furballs in the MA, then you are a retard.  Not much else to say about that.

Your whining about the dogfighting vs furballing is NEWB nonsense.  Just because the arena is called the "Dueling Arena", doesn't mean that all fighting going on in the Arena is a duel.    The DA lake area is labeled on the map "FURBALLING".  Obviously HTC put that label on the map by the lake area for a reason, right?  If you dont want to be in a furball, then dont go in there.  Its not that hard to understand, man.

You are talking out of your arse.  I'm glad you've gone into the lake TWICE, and now feel like your opinion on it is based on realistic experience, and means anything to anyone who actually plays in there, and knows what they are talking about.  Now put on a fresh diaper, and run along to your preciously pure MA.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: ink on December 13, 2012, 04:54:05 PM
I was vulched at the lake once and then just kept ripping into the guy that did it....he stopped....

been there many times, the Lake is fun for quick action....and gunnery practice.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: nrshida on December 13, 2012, 05:27:24 PM
Ooooooo.  I like this a lot.  Except you neglected a small factoid:  most of the DA regulars are F3 gamers and while I find most of them fearless of the MA, I do find most of them ego-bound to the DA for their dependence on F3 gunnery.

I don't think it as widespread as the non-lake players believe. I find it very easy to tell who is using F3 to shoot (perhaps because I've been there a long time) but apparently most MA regulars can't and show up already thinking everybody does this and when they get shot (at all) it seems to confirm it for them. Remember there was a core of F3 players from H2H, but most of them have gone now.


Do you still frequent the place shida? ... it was quite a different place when you and ardy...and there were a few others there helping others out a couple/three years back...surely if you look back at that time you can see that there has been a steady decline of competitiveness at the lake..there is much more bully tactics there now.

The lake is the lake I know...but it too had a good vibe...now though...in my opinion it is like a little club and if you are not a member you are out... in reflection though...it is good thing as I prefer not to be known as a member :D


Yes I still go Tongs, I divide the little time I have to play presently equally between MA and DA. There was a spate of squads that resulted in very gang-like play for quite a while but it's died down now. There is a great bunch of guys there at the moment when I fly. A core of pure dogfighters. Most tune to 258 across country and just have a laugh. There are some very good sticks.

The Breakfast Club era was probably the golden age for respecting a good fight and staying out, but it always took energy to keep up good sportsmanship. Usually the first Tempests to show up marked a change in the day.


The regulars in the DA, to me, seem to be guys who just want to dogfight.  Maybe all they like is dogfighting, maybe they are just trying to practice dogfighting.  

This is a pretty accurate observation in my opinion. As I said there is a second tier of players who want to prey on the dogfighters when they are busy. I believe this explains the OP's frustration at the 262s.

The furball lake can be a lot of fun, and a great place to work on your technique. Just leave your prejudices and ego at the door and join in. If you don't like it don't go, and if you don't go don't criticise it, imho.



 


Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Changeup on December 13, 2012, 05:37:48 PM
I don't think it as widespread as the non-lake players believe. I find it very easy to tell who is using F3 to shoot (perhaps because I've been there a long time) but apparently most MA regulars can't and show up already thinking everybody does this and when they get shot (at all) it seems to confirm it for them. Remember there was a core of F3 players from H2H, but most of them have gone now.


I spent the first 2 years of my AH life there bro...its just as rampant as it was.  I visit when Im flying and have taken notice that most ARE still there.  It doesn't matter but its a lot more abundant than you think. 
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Fud on December 13, 2012, 07:14:15 PM
Gawd...another whine thread! lol   :banana:
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Sg11 on December 13, 2012, 08:02:37 PM
This ridiculous horse hockey in the DA, with everything enabled is totally ruining the Dueling Arena. I thought Temptards were bad, but these idiots zooming around in 262s spoiling everyone else's fights is enough. I won't stay if that's what I have to deal with now.
I agree
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: nrshida on December 13, 2012, 08:19:57 PM
Gawd...another whine thread! lol   :banana:

Get your arse back in the game Lord Mukr.  :banana:
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: VuduVee on December 13, 2012, 11:17:18 PM
I'm not callin you a liar. I am calling you an ignorant whiner who doesn't know what you are talking about.  The DA furball lake is for fuballing, and only furballing.  You complaining about getting picked is a worthless complaint.  Its a FURBALL.  Stay out of the lake if you dont want to be involved in it.  If you want to 1v1 duel, then ask someone to go duel you.  

If you seriously do not understand the difference between the DA Furball lake and random furballs in the MA, then you are a retard.  Not much else to say about that.

Your whining about the dogfighting vs furballing is NEWB nonsense.  Just because the arena is called the "Dueling Arena", doesn't mean that all fighting going on in the Arena is a duel.    The DA lake area is labeled on the map "FURBALLING".  Obviously HTC put that label on the map by the lake area for a reason, right?  If you dont want to be in a furball, then dont go in there.  Its not that hard to understand, man.

You are talking out of your arse.  I'm glad you've gone into the lake TWICE, and now feel like your opinion on it is based on realistic experience, and means anything to anyone who actually plays in there, and knows what they are talking about.  Now put on a fresh diaper, and run along to your preciously pure MA.
wow man, sorry to get your panties all bunched up. gettin a little too personal with your name callin there tough guy. ignorant whiner?, i didnt start this thread. but just in case you dont understand, man, i said i was 1vs1 and got picked. i didnt say, i flew into a furbal and and got killed. as a matter of fact, i didnt see any thing like a furball. i know what to frkn do when i see a furball. trust me, if i die in a furball, im not goin to whine bc i got killed. you didnt put me into the lake twice, so dont be so glad. also, read the thread, youll see im not the only one who doesnt hold the DA up on high ground.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: FiLtH on December 14, 2012, 01:16:03 AM
  For those of us who have captured their last base years ago, find the transit time between bases in the MA a waste of time, and just want to twist and turn till someone is dead, the DA is the place to be. For flat out training for dogfights you cant beat it. You get 5 times the trigger time than you do in the MA, simply because of the close proximity to the combat area.

  So dont dump on the DA. We arent all a bunch of spazzes in there.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: jododger on December 14, 2012, 02:06:08 AM
  For those of us who have captured their last base years ago, find the transit time between bases in the MA a waste of time, and just want to twist and turn till someone is dead, the DA is the place to be. For flat out training for dogfights you cant beat it. You get 5 times the trigger time than you do in the MA, simply because of the close proximity to the combat area.

  So dont dump on the DA. We arent all a bunch of spazzes in there.

+1
I have had some GFs with FiLtH and Nrshida at furball lake.  It's a great place to go if you just want to kill up and kill again.   Everyone on the same vox (258) has made the lake a lot of fun again, so if you haven't been in a while you may want to try it. 
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Debrody on December 14, 2012, 02:17:24 AM
Have someone spawn a custom arena (with ANY map you want); Enable only 262's. If you regularly get 16 people and players are getting turned away because of that limit, then you can start your petition for jets in the DA. HTC has them disabled in the DA for a reason, even if none of us knows what the reason is.
I dont have the motivation to learn how to set up an arena...
Also i dont see your point about the 16 players as eventually there are less than 50 on in the MAs...  I was not asking for the 262 to be enabled everywhere, only on a certain pair of airfield. I do not want it to affect the DA furball lake as there is more than enough picking going on there, i just want to 1v1 with my friends in any aircraft we would like, without setting up a custom arena every time.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Bruv119 on December 14, 2012, 02:23:43 AM
It takes about 10 seconds to select the terrain and type a password,

If you enabled 262's at only two fields in the DA do you not think for a second some DA griefer wouldn't grab a 262 and pester you?  or then take off fly across the map refuel at a closer base and then still grief the lake?   

Least with a custom room you can put a password and have full control over the settings.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Fud on December 14, 2012, 05:52:37 AM
Get your arse back in the game Lord Mukr.  :banana:

One day shida...........one day  :joystick:

I'm gonna send in payment for just one day of flying lol
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: RedBull1 on December 14, 2012, 06:08:47 AM
One day shida...........one day  :joystick:

I'm gonna send in payment for just one day of flying lol
"Here's  a quarter, a nickle, a dime...uh...another nickle, and 4 pennies,..." *grabs penny out of HTC tip jar* "there's another penny, I'll take my 24 hours of Aces High starting tomorrow please, thank you."
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 14, 2012, 06:27:54 AM
wow man, sorry to get your panties all bunched up. gettin a little too personal with your name callin there tough guy. ignorant whiner?, i didnt start this thread. but just in case you dont understand, man, i said i was 1vs1 and got picked. i didnt say, i flew into a furbal and and got killed. as a matter of fact, i didnt see any thing like a furball. i know what to frkn do when i see a furball. trust me, if i die in a furball, im not goin to whine bc i got killed. you didnt put me into the lake twice, so dont be so glad. also, read the thread, youll see im not the only one who doesnt hold the DA up on high ground.

You said you were at the furball lake.  Its a specific area within the DA where furballing takes place.  Thats not where 1v1's take place, unless you set that up with someone specifically.  So complainign about not getting in a 1v1 there is nonsense.  You dont seem to grasp that fact.  

Ignorant means to be unaware or to lack knowlege.  Whine means to complain in a childish fashion.   You are completely ignorant of the fact that the lake in the DA is only for FURBALLING, which is probably why HTC labeled it that way, and due to your ignoranct, you complain in a childish fashion about not getting in 1v1's there.  IMO, the shoe fits.

In fact, based on your post above, with me, along with others, explaining to you why you are being ignorant, you still dont seem to grasp the concepts, so theres no point in me explaining it anymore.  You either are a troll, or just unable to understand.  You just cant fix stupid.  Have a wonderful day.  Head over to the lake if you want to get you butt hurt some more.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: nrshida on December 14, 2012, 06:41:09 AM
I can see this friendship is going to need a lot of work!  :old:
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 14, 2012, 07:18:53 AM
It takes about 10 seconds to select the terrain and type a password,

If you enabled 262's at only two fields in the DA do you not think for a second some DA griefer wouldn't grab a 262 and pester you?  or then take off fly across the map refuel at a closer base and then still grief the lake?  

Least with a custom room you can put a password and have full control over the settings.

Ya, you are probably right.  I guess there would be no way to contain the A-holes.  

Wait, I've got it! How about a completele new Arena dedicated to jets only?!?!?  Or maybe, maybe a completely new game with only korean/vietnam war era jets?!?!?!?    I bet no one has ever thought of that!!   :P


Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 14, 2012, 07:41:30 AM
I dont have the motivation to learn how to set up an arena...
Also i dont see your point about the 16 players as eventually there are less than 50 on in the MAs...  I was not asking for the 262 to be enabled everywhere, only on a certain pair of airfield. I do not want it to affect the DA furball lake as there is more than enough picking going on there, i just want to 1v1 with my friends in any aircraft we would like, without setting up a custom arena every time.

Is the 262 enabled in the TA?
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Baggy on December 14, 2012, 08:08:40 AM
I like the DA, instant gratification. Fly till you die.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: VuduVee on December 14, 2012, 11:15:17 AM
meh, you bore me, you only read what you want. ignoring what doesnt suit. i said my piece. im done with you. now, we should talk about the way you speak to people while your safely behind a computer screen. you have some name calling you like to use while behind the screen. its a shame , bc id like to hear those same names in person just to see if they have anything to back em up.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Zoney on December 14, 2012, 11:26:17 AM
meh, you bore me, you only read what you want. ignoring what doesnt suit. i said my piece. im done with you. now, we should talk about the way you speak to people while your safely behind a computer screen. you have some name calling you like to use while behind the screen. its a shame , bc id like to hear those same names in person just to see if they have anything to back em up.

You going to beat him up ?
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: VuduVee on December 14, 2012, 11:32:20 AM
nah, just wanted to see how it feels to trash talk behind a computer screen. somehow it doesnt hold up like face to face does.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Nathan60 on December 14, 2012, 11:35:59 AM
nah, just wanted to see how it feels to trash talk behind a computer screen. somehow it doesnt hold up like face to face does.
What? Like watching trash talk in a movie?  You know your doing a fair amount of trashing yourself.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: VuduVee on December 14, 2012, 11:42:43 AM
What? Like watching trash talk in a movie?  You know your doing a fair amount of trashing yourself.
yep maybe so, the difference is that mr blazer cant seem to talk to me without calling me names. he ignores what doesnt suit him so he can have a reason to call me an idiot or a liar... people rarely do that in real life, but you put the screen in front, well then, all the sudden they grow a pair.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: blazer65 on December 14, 2012, 11:49:23 AM
meh, you bore me, you only read what you want. ignoring what doesnt suit. i said my piece. im done with you. now, we should talk about the way you speak to people while your safely behind a computer screen. you have some name calling you like to use while behind the screen. its a shame , bc id like to hear those same names in person just to see if they have anything to back em up.

 :noid
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Nathan60 on December 14, 2012, 11:51:10 AM
sucks when the shoes on the other foot huh copprhead? the DA is crap anyway. its a fake MA whose regulars are scared to fly the real MA. but they would fit right in with the MA. they can hangout at the end of runways waiting for lifters in the MA, just like they do in the DA. they can pick 1vs1's in the MA, just like they do in the DA. and run from fights, just like the MA. i think the jets fit right in with the fake MA mentality.
Nice bait.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: nrshida on December 14, 2012, 11:51:58 AM
yep maybe so, the difference is that mr blazer cant seem to talk to me without calling me names. he ignores what doesnt suit him so he can have a reason to call me an idiot or a liar... people rarely do that in real life, but you put the screen in front, well then, all the sudden they grow a pair.

You're going to need to make adjustments if you want to interact with people via this medium. Try to assume there was no malice instead of there was, ignore things instead of amplifying things.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: VuduVee on December 14, 2012, 12:16:17 PM
You're going to need to make adjustments if you want to interact with people via this medium. Try to assume there was no malice instead of there was, ignore things instead of amplifying things.
well amigo, i did mention the name calling once before. thinking he would at least try to keep this civil, but he didnt and decided to call me names again. seems like he intended malice when he does it twice. i dont expect you to see that tho, bc im not in your clique, so it must be me who is in the wrong here. not the guy calling names. its strange to me , that he calls me names and im in the wrong bc hes name calling.  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Nathan60 on December 14, 2012, 01:14:22 PM
well your posts did have a pretty inflammatory lean to them prior to the name calling, surely if you are 'man' enough to use language  like you do you can take being called a name, especially one as inoffensive as the one used. I guess just as some folks 'grow a set' while behind a computer monitor some folks  lose thiers.=, OORR as I suspect your just trollin.
Title: Re: Get the DA back to Normal!
Post by: Skuzzy on December 14, 2012, 01:17:10 PM
The discussion is no longer about the topic.