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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: biomed on December 27, 2012, 05:54:31 PM
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i have a list of planes i would love to see
The He-162 would be a fun bomber killer
The Do-335 would give a p-51 a run.
the Spitfire Mk XVIe bubble canopy enough said
ME 262 with 50mm http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A0PDoKuQ39xQVS0AK_6JzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3DME%2B262%2Bwith%2B50mm%26fr%3Dyfp-t-701-s%26fr2%3Dpiv-web%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D8&w=1040&h=556&imgurl=the.secret.birds.free.fr%2Fmesserschmitt%2FMe262A-1-U4_avec_MK214.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMesserschmitt_Me_P.1112&size=217+KB&name=Messerschmitt+P.1112+-+Wikipedia%2C+the+free+encyclopedia&p=ME+262+with+50mm&oid=0520ce07adffe00e9987ecb46190c766&fr2=piv-web&fr=yfp-t-701-s&tt=Messerschmitt%2BP.1112%2B-%2BWikipedia%252C%2Bthe%2Bfree%2Bencyclopedia&b=0&ni=90&no=8&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11keh3gsd&sigb=13b6f3ccu&sigi=121osab66&.crumb=3aW6NcmY4AS
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The 162 never saw combat, even though it was used in operations
The dodo bird doesn't have enough numbers much less much use
NO MORE SPITS
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The 162 never saw combat, even though it was used in operations
The dodo bird doesn't have enough numbers much less much use
NO MORE SPITS
162 seen combat, in very limited actions - squadron strength was available the fuel however wasn't. Dodo bird simply was still in prototype stage when the war ended.
Honestly I wouldn't mind the 162, being its range is terrible as an La7 - being it will be perked not much as a Me-262, but pretty high up there.
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anyone know the topspeed of the 162??? accoroding to wiki its about 50mph faster
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The 162 never saw combat, even though it was used in operations
The dodo bird doesn't have enough numbers much less much use
NO MORE SPITS
(http://)(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x39/PanosGR/80c9c69773.jpg)
He 162 was in operational service and saw combat. Typically fulfills all the criteria set by AH higher council :D to include in the game. Period.
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He 162 was in operational service and saw combat. Typically fulfills all the criteria set by AH higher council :D to include in the game. Period.
The 162 was never officially operational. As far as I can find the only group to see combat in the 162 was still in training when these encounters occurred, and the war ended before they were actually declared operational. The only reason they saw combat at all was because the training fields they were using were getting bombed at the time. Even then, there was only a two-week period between the first report of a 162 in combat and the German surrender, and these engagements were sporadic and individual affairs.
There's absolutely no need for the He-162 in the game, and doesn't actually fit the criteria for addition.
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The 162 was never officially operational. As far as I can find the only group to see combat in the 162 was still in training when these encounters occurred, and the war ended before they were actually declared operational. The only reason they saw combat at all was because the training fields they were using were getting bombed at the time. Even then, there was only a two-week period between the first report of a 162 in combat and the German surrender, and these engagements were sporadic and individual affairs.
There's absolutely no need for the He-162 in the game, and doesn't actually fit the criteria for addition.
There was a quote from one of the HTC gang floating around. Their only requirements are that it be a WWII era wish, and preferably that it saw combat.
IIRC, it had a few unconfirmed kills. Good enough for me.
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While I think the He162 meets the minimum criteria, it should be way, way down the list.
I can certainly think of another Heinkel aircraft I'd like to see added before it.
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(http://)(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x39/PanosGR/1624_zps13fb5bb0.jpg)
(http://)(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x39/PanosGR/1623_zpsa4b5a84b.jpg)
(http://)(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x39/PanosGR/1622_zpsffbb46aa.jpg)
(http://)(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x39/PanosGR/1621_zps2382a41d.jpg)
Now repeat after me
Everything i see is an illusion.
He-162 never saw action
He-162 was never operational
He-162 never actually flew
He-162 never existed
He-162 is totally fictional
Now go to sleep.
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Their only requirements are that it be a WWII era wish, and preferably that it saw combat.
The official criteria that has been stated repeatedly by the staff has always been:
It must be an operational aircraft (rules out the Do-335, P-80, and other types).
It must have seen combat (sorry, no F8F or F7F).
It must have been deployed in squadron strength (eliminates a LOT of rare variants or types).
Has this changed?
The fact that the only unit equipped with the 162 was STILL IN TRAINING with the type when the war ended suggests to me it fails Point 1 miserably.
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From http://www.airvectors.net/avhe162.html#m3
II Gruppe of JG-1 had moved to the Heinkel airfield at Marienhe to begin trading their FW-190s for He-162s.
* The He-162 finally began to see combat in mid-April. On 19 April, the pilot of a British Royal Air Force (RAF) fighter who had been captured by the Germans informed his interrogators that he had been shot down by a jet fighter whose description was clearly that of a He-162. The Heinkel and its pilot were lost as well, shot down by an RAF Tempest fighter while returning to base. On 20 April, a Luftwaffe pilot successfully ejected from a He-162, though the reason for the hasty exit from his aircraft was not recorded. One possibility is that he simply ran out of fuel; the He-162's half-hour endurance was simply not enough, and at least two of JG-1's pilots were killed making "dead-stick" landings after exhausting their fuel.
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the 162 has air combat kills (like 1-4) unlike the meteor....(which only has unmanned v1 kills). personally i would rather have 162 over meteor just for that reason, HOWEVER i dont want either EVER in AH.
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(http://)(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x39/PanosGR/1624_zps13fb5bb0.jpg)
(http://)(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x39/PanosGR/1623_zpsa4b5a84b.jpg)
(http://)(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x39/PanosGR/1622_zpsffbb46aa.jpg)
(http://)(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x39/PanosGR/1621_zps2382a41d.jpg)
Now repeat after me
Everything i see is an illusion.
He-162 never saw action
He-162 was never operational
He-162 never actually flew
He-162 never existed
He-162 is totally fictional
Now go to sleep.
:lol
:aok
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HOWEVER i dont want either EVER in AH.
why??????????
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the 162 has air combat kills (like 1-4) unlike the meteor....(which only has unmanned v1 kills). personally i would rather have 162 over meteor just for that reason, HOWEVER i dont want either EVER in AH.
Only because the Storch pilot managed to get it on the ground before the Meteors came around and destroyed his Fi156.
The Meteor is clearly above the He162 in terms of numbers, length of WWII service and activity in WWII. Being above the He162 in priority is like bragging that your state's education system ranks above Mississippi's education system.
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The official criteria that has been stated repeatedly by the staff has always been:
It must be an operational aircraft (rules out the Do-335, P-80, and other types).
It must have seen combat (sorry, no F8F or F7F).
It must have been deployed in squadron strength (eliminates a LOT of rare variants or types).
Has this changed?
The fact that the only unit equipped with the 162 was STILL IN TRAINING with the type when the war ended suggests to me it fails Point 1 miserably.
Someone posted a quote from Pyro (I think it was Pyro, anyway), stating their requriments. It was posted in that David Wales Do 335 thread. I'll try and find it, but i think all it said was WWII aircraft, and preferably seen combat.
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why??????????
sleep....sleep...sleep now my child sleep :rolleyes:
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Found the quote, which was actually by HiTech. Posted by Fullmetalbullet, in EVZ's Do 335 thread.
There is no hard and fast rule. But generally we want planes to have seen service.
HiTech
It appears I was wrong. No He 162 :(
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i have a list of planes i would love to see
The He-162 would be a fun bomber killer
The Do-335 would give a p-51 a run.
Spitfire Mk XVIe bubble canopy enough said
ME 262 with 50mm
In the MA, with 2X fuel burn the perked He-162 is going to have 15 minutes worth of fuel. This would relegate it short range interception (much like the 163), and 2x20mms aren't all that devastating. Further, I don't know how much I like the thought of going in on a box of B-17s in a plywood aircraft. It won't take too many .50 cal hits to make your 162 (and your perkies) disappear in a cloud of splinters.
The Do-335 was always a favorite of mine. I know it doesn't meet the HTC criteria of "having been deployed in squadron strength and seen combat", but it was ordered into production in 1944 and had the German aircraft industry not been under constant bombing it would have been. This would be a much better high altitude bomber interceptor for you - 1 x 30mm Mk.103 (65 rounds) and 2 x 20mm (200 rounds) package gives you more firepower, and you have a much longer range.
As for the Spit XVI, no thanks. If there was to be a Spit update, I'd rather see the bubble canopy, clipped wing variant of the Spit XIV.
Me-262 with 50mm? Why take the variant that they rejected? Instead I would suggest the Me-262 with the 24xR4M rockets package. This might be a problem though - the rocket package is pretty devastating to a formation of buffs and might actually unbalance the game.
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The 162-a1 had 2 30mms with 50 rpg. The 162 a-2 had 2 20mm
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As for the Spit XVI, no thanks. If there was to be a Spit update, I'd rather see the bubble canopy, clipped wing variant of the Spit XIV.
or a Spit XII
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As for the Spit XVI, no thanks. If there was to be a Spit update, I'd rather see the bubble canopy, clipped wing variant of the Spit XIV.
or a Spit XII
Seafire L.Mk III
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or a Spit XII
Seafire L.Mk III
Seafire L.Mk III (+1)
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DA NATTER please! :old:
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There is one confirmed kill by the 162 against a spitfire.
The numbers built is a little scetchy but as many as 300 were built, thats more than the TA-152 we have
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He162 +1
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Not really a contribution to the thread but...
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q569/bryguyw/dornier-do335-pfeil_2_zpsa15bdca1.jpg)
I had no idea the Do-335 was such a big plane :O
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Not really a contribution to the thread but...
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q569/bryguyw/dornier-do335-pfeil_2_zpsa15bdca1.jpg)
I had no idea the Do-335 was such a big plane :O
and very fast
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There was a quote from one of the HTC gang floating around. Their only requirements are that it be a WWII era wish, and preferably that it saw combat.
IIRC, it had a few unconfirmed kills. Good enough for me.
I dont have the message from HiTech anymore. but he told me that there is no standing criteria for aircraft inclussion, but he would prefer it to have been in service. I,E dosnt really have to have seen combat just be brought into service during the war. that opens up the 162, and the F7F tiger cat. idk about the F8F bearcat and when it was in service. but that opens up a long list of aircraft.
The Arow(Do-335) was only a prototype when the war ended and until more info is gathered about its rumours about it being used its still considered a prototype.
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He-162 meets the criteria to be added in aces high, even if its combat career was limited.
Old argument is whether it was in combat operational status or not, frankly it was - Germany lost the war and fuel was running low, they did however have an entire squadron ready to fly them.
Same argument about the Meteor, while it never flew front line missions, it still was Operational and in combat - simply wasn't jumping dozens of me-262s as everyone hopes for.
Both should be added, regardless. However for scenario purposes, you will likely never see either unless the last day of the war type scenario.
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The Do 335 was in serial production by war's end and a small Erprobungskommando was set up. No real operations known but may have been used for some recon flights as it had the speed to do so without danger of a lot enemy interference.
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These two plus the gloster meteor should round out the ultra high speed fighters
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Not really a contribution to the thread but...
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q569/bryguyw/dornier-do335-pfeil_2_zpsa15bdca1.jpg)
I had no idea the Do-335 was such a big plane :O
Two engines AND a MK103. Oh that beautiful MK103. :rock
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It must have seen combat (sorry, no F8F or F7F).
This one kills me...while i agree with you 100% Saxman......Given how amazing HTC models their aircraft, id give my left one to take these 2 on a cartoon flight :aok
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This one kills me...while i agree with you 100% Saxman......Given how amazing HTC models their aircraft, id give my left one to take these 2 on a cartoon flight :aok
Unless we ever get a WWII 1946 arena (Aces of the Pacific FTW. I STILL curse the day Vivendi bought Sierra. Dynamix was working on AotP2 when they were forced to close shop. I hope Vivendi's execs burn in a very special, and very horrific part of Hell) this should never happen.
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Unless we ever get a WWII 1946 arena (Aces of the Pacific FTW. I STILL curse the day Vivendi bought Sierra. Dynamix was working on AotP2 when they were forced to close shop. I hope Vivendi's execs burn in a very special, and very horrific part of Hell) this should never happen.
I still dont agree with you about it having to see combat. and given that Hitech has said that there is no rule for aircraft addition. They just would prefer it to have been in service, and since there is info on the 162 actually being used i think it qualifies.
Same with the F7F. It was litteraly days from combat, and a squadron was in route to okinawa from iwo jima the day the japanese surrendered.
Plus in the end its HTCs game they can do with it as they see fit. if they want to add the 162 and meteor let them. im not gonna argue or threaten to quit playing just because they added a plane i didnt want. Im content to play the game, and have fun playing with whatever HTC decides to add to the game.
I never complained about the achievements like many people in AH, i never complained about the change to the tanks like many players in AH and i am not gonna complain about HTC adding the 162 or the F7F tigercat, Because in the end its their product that we play.
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Unless we ever get a WWII 1946 arena (Aces of the Pacific FTW. I STILL curse the day Vivendi bought Sierra. Dynamix was working on AotP2 when they were forced to close shop. I hope Vivendi's execs burn in a very special, and very horrific part of Hell) this should never happen.
They were my most played sims as a kid...<R.I.P> dynamix. :salute