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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: f35raptor on February 06, 2013, 03:26:01 PM
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I was down at the pawn shop the other day and they had this emachines computer for 170 dollors or so.
Here is what i got off the box
Amd atholon II x2 220 dule processor
3 gb memory
1 tb harddrive
It reads wrights cds dvds
Its got the windows 7
El13585 51w computer modle?
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=&id=pcat17071&type=page&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&st=emachine
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Good luck playing any kind of games with that.
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It also has a PSU in it that is like taking a time-delayed firebomb into your home.
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offer 100 bucks but first see if it has a genuine windows sticker in the back along with the code. then use the code, cd and hd on your next buildt :).
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So its not going to be any good then is it. To run aces high?
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So its not going to be any good then is it. To run aces high?
A big nope. Stay away from eMachines. The $150-ish PCs are good for your grandma browsing her Internet, and not a whole lot more.
If you can take the time to build a PC, you can get a cheap one that will run AH with most settings on for $300-400. There are some pre built PCs that'll run AH perfectly fine too, but there's not a whole lot of them that are reasonably priced either.
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Raptor,
You could try looking at craigslist also.That computer is to old for your use. Even if you did buy it there is no upgrade path to it. Its deadend.
Try looking for AMD quad or intel like 8400 dual or around there.
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Raptor,
You could try looking at craigslist also.That computer is to old for your use. Even if you did buy it there is no upgrade path to it. Its deadend.
Try looking for AMD quad or intel like 8400 dual or around there.
an e8400 is way too old too. I wouldnt look at anything less than an i3 or is7.
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That's not fair. The Core2Duo quads are still quite capable. Just because the i3 through i7 are better doesn't negate the quality of the C2D chips. I get what you're saying but if you're on a budget there are still plenty of socket 775 chips that run very well and will more than play AH or most games out there.
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So the question remains is going to be compatible with aces high or not? If it will run aces high and not slow down any id be fine with that. Cause the one i currently have only has a 64 mb video card? Would this be better?
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That's not fair. The Core2Duo quads are still quite capable. Just because the i3 through i7 are better doesn't negate the quality of the C2D chips. I get what you're saying but if you're on a budget there are still plenty of socket 775 chips that run very well and will more than play AH or most games out there.
Not really better even. There are still scenarios in which the Core 2 Duo Q9650 Quad Core (and QX9650) blows most of the i7s away. I think only two CPUs performed better (under some circumstances) with certain applications.
I'm still sticking to the i7s because of the greater capacity of memory available.
Just saying.
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So the question remains is going to be compatible with aces high or not? If it will run aces high and not slow down any id be fine with that. Cause the one i currently have only has a 64 mb video card? Would this be better?
You didn't mention any kind of a video card in your original post...
The model you gave no replies in Google, but with some detective work I figured you might have meant EL1358G-51W. It has an nVidia GeForce 6150 SE integrated video circuit, which isn't suitable for AH. Don't buy that!
Despite what Guncrasher says, an Intel 8400 can run AH pretty well. I have one, plus a Radeon 3870 (512Mb) and 4 GB RAM, Win XP. It gives me 60 fps at lots more than default settings. I suppose serious gamers have long since abandoned rigs like mine, so if you're on a tight budget, look at net auctions or your neighbourhood pc builder shops for a decent project. Or shop at the AH classifieds section (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/board,516.0.html)
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Ok thank you bizman. Im not that smart when it comes to computers. Yes im on a budget but am lookinv for a decent computer tht will run aces high good.
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You didn't mention any kind of a video card in your original post...
The model you gave no replies in Google, but with some detective work I figured you might have meant EL1358G-51W. It has an nVidia GeForce 6150 SE integrated video circuit, which isn't suitable for AH. Don't buy that!
Despite what Guncrasher says, an Intel 8400 can run AH pretty well. I have one, plus a Radeon 3870 (512Mb) and 4 GB RAM, Win XP. It gives me 60 fps at lots more than default settings. I suppose serious gamers have long since abandoned rigs like mine, so if you're on a tight budget, look at net auctions or your neighbourhood pc builder shops for a decent project. Or shop at the AH classifieds section (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/board,516.0.html)
i never said it wouldnt play ah. what I meant is that if you gonna spend the money on a used system get an i3 or i7 (sandy bridge). on used systems there wont be much difference in price but you get a faster cpu.
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You didn't mention any kind of a video card in your original post...
The model you gave no replies in Google, but with some detective work I figured you might have meant EL1358G-51W. It has an nVidia GeForce 6150 SE integrated video circuit, which isn't suitable for AH. Don't buy that!
Despite what Guncrasher says, an Intel 8400 can run AH pretty well. I have one, plus a Radeon 3870 (512Mb) and 4 GB RAM, Win XP. It gives me 60 fps at lots more than default settings. I suppose serious gamers have long since abandoned rigs like mine, so if you're on a tight budget, look at net auctions or your neighbourhood pc builder shops for a decent project. Or shop at the AH classifieds section (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/board,516.0.html)
Thanks Bizman,
Seems Raptor budget is not large, but by looking around he might find something. First he needs to get a hold on what to look for. I think hes been given some good ideas.
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Ya the information bizma. Waa good thank you. As i stated im not computer literate so i really have no idea what im looking at unless i ask around.
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i never said it wouldnt play ah. what I meant is that if you gonna spend the money on a used system get an i3 or i7 (sandy bridge). on used systems there wont be much difference in price but you get a faster cpu.
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Sorry Guncrasher, not trying to put words into your mouth.
I just read the OP asking So its not going to be any good then is it. To run aces high?
, your next input being an e8400 is way too old too. I wouldnt look at anything less than an i3 or is7.
I seem to have connected a wrong question to your answer. Why on earth can't all the world use Finnish on these boards, would be much easier for me to understand!?!
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an e8400 is way too old too. I wouldnt look at anything less than an i3 or is7.
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I'm still running an e8400 and run it with some fairly high settings just fine. Though I do get occaisional stutters when I enter an area but probably due to haveing skins enabled and having every skin available. Having them turned on has probably hurt my kill ratio as sometimes the stutters sometimes come at inopportune moments. But it runs the game pretty good.
If someone is looking to run the game on the cheap and still have a decent amount of eye candy. (about 3/4 of the way up) An e8400 based system isnt a bad option if you can find one with a couple gigs of memory and decent video card. I wouldnt see one as a long term solution. But for the next coupe of years barring any overly drastic changes. It should suit you well.
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I have a spare E7500 that ran AH perfectly fine with most of the eye candy turned on. $70. :angel:
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I'm still running an e8400 and run it with some fairly high settings just fine. Though I do get occaisional stutters when I enter an area but probably due to haveing skins enabled and having every skin available. Having them turned on has probably hurt my kill ratio as sometimes the stutters sometimes come at inopportune moments. But it runs the game pretty good.
If someone is looking to run the game on the cheap and still have a decent amount of eye candy. (about 3/4 of the way up) An e8400 based system isnt a bad option if you can find one with a couple gigs of memory and decent video card. I wouldnt see one as a long term solution. But for the next coupe of years barring any overly drastic changes. It should suit you well.
If his budget is limited, could very well be something to look at. Some price comparing would be in order. I don't think hes going to build it himself.
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If his budget is limited, could very well be something to look at. Some price comparing would be in order. I don't think hes going to build it himself.
We were taking about a used system. In that case an i3 or i7 is a better choice and it won't cost more than an e8400.
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We were taking about a used system. In that case an i3 or i7 is a better choice and it won't cost more than an e8400.
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I find it pretty hard to believe that even second hand you can get twice the value for the same money. If it's so by all means choose an i7 Extreme :D
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I find it pretty hard to believe that even second hand you can get twice the value for the same money. If it's so by all means choose an i7 Extreme :D
I was thinking about the same. A quick look on Ebay/recently sold items (february 9th actually) gave me this information:
- Intel E8400 processor appr. $40
- LGA 775 motherboard appr. $35
- Intel i7-920 processor appr. $80
- LGA1366 motherboard appr. $150
I'm not interested enough to examine whether the 3 GHz of E8400 would outperform the 2.66 GHz/2.9 GHz of i7-920 at Turbo mode or not. Also, the prices might be nearer each other in complete systems although the rest of the components included are similarly priced.
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I was thinking about the same. A quick look on Ebay/recently sold items (february 9th actually) gave me this information:
- Intel E8400 processor appr. $40
- LGA 775 motherboard appr. $35
- Intel i7-920 processor appr. $80
- LGA1366 motherboard appr. $150
I'm not interested enough to examine whether the 3 GHz of E8400 would outperform the 2.66 GHz/2.9 GHz of i7-920 at Turbo mode or not. Also, the prices might be nearer each other in complete systems although the rest of the components included are similarly priced.
again we are talking about used computers not computer parts. as the op mentioned he found a used computer at a pawn shop. near me they had 3 systems 2 i3's and an amd dual core, all 3 were priced similarly between 300 to 400 and all 3 were over priced. there's also computer stores where they sell used systems but they tend to be overpriced.
I find it pretty hard to believe that even second hand you can get twice the value for the same money. If it's so by all means choose an i7 Extreme :D
what I find hard to believe is that you think win8 is a good buy.
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here's 2 on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Essential-77805PU-Desktop-Computer/dp/B0085XFATU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1360517371&sr=1-1
this one is an e8400 but it is a deal breaker as it has no floppy drive. I wouldnt buy an e8400 without a floppy drive.
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-OptiPlex-755-Professional-Mini-Tower/dp/B003P5EQLQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1360517486&sr=1-1&keywords=e8400
this one has win7 pro
http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Authorized-Refurbisher-Dell-Performance/dp/B00AZSSIMY/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1360517486&sr=1-6&keywords=e8400
not saying any of those are great buys as they also need a video card and probably replacement of this or that but
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here's 2 on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Essential-77805PU-Desktop-Computer/dp/B0085XFATU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1360517371&sr=1-1
this one is an e8400 but it is a deal breaker as it has no floppy drive. I wouldnt buy an e8400 without a floppy drive.
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-OptiPlex-755-Professional-Mini-Tower/dp/B003P5EQLQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1360517486&sr=1-1&keywords=e8400
this one has win7 pro
http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Authorized-Refurbisher-Dell-Performance/dp/B00AZSSIMY/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1360517486&sr=1-6&keywords=e8400
not saying any of those are great buys as they also need a video card and probably replacement of this or that but
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again we are talking about used computers not computer parts.
Agreed, my bad mixing components and computers. Heck, they both start with "comp..."!
Then again, putting E8400 and i3 or i7, doesn't matter if they're inside a computer or not, on the same line is not a measurable comparison. E8400 is a specific model whereas there's 18 different variations of i3 and 29 of i7. Adding to that that i3 is the low end series and i7 the high end one.
BTW, why is a floppy drive important for an e8400?
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what I find hard to believe is that you think win8 is a good buy.
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For 40 bucks a full (not OEM) Pro version is a total steal if you ask me. Win8 works excellently as a gaming machine.
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Agreed, my bad mixing components and computers. Heck, they both start with "comp..."!
Then again, putting E8400 and i3 or i7, doesn't matter if they're inside a computer or not, on the same line is not a measurable comparison. E8400 is a specific model whereas there's 18 different variations of i3 and 29 of i7. Adding to that that i3 is the low end series and i7 the high end one.
BTW, why is a floppy drive important for an e8400?
it accentuates the need for sarcasm font :). I thought it was funny on the amazon posting that it mentioned that no floppy disk was included.
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For 40 bucks a full (not OEM) Pro version is a total steal if you ask me. Win8 works excellently as a gaming machine.
(looking for an emoticon that will accurately describe a good response) choose one of the following: :bhead :rofl :noid :furious :O :confused: :uhoh :bolt: :bolt: :headscratch:
we need one that mentions a waste of money, or perhaps get the hell out of here.
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it accentuates the need for sarcasm font :). I thought it was funny on the amazon posting that it mentioned that no floppy disk was included.
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:lol heh, you got me fooled! I thought it would be needed for some installations, like was the case with early SATA drives.
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(looking for an emoticon that will accurately describe a good response) choose one of the following: :bhead :rofl :noid :furious :O :confused: :uhoh :bolt: :bolt: :headscratch:
we need one that mentions a waste of money, or perhaps get the hell out of here.
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I'm sorry but you're just misinformed and dragging in with the bandwagon of haters. I bet you haven't run W8 for a day yourself. I use it for all my gaming currently and it works flawlessly. The user interface is a bit dumb but that doesn't matter as the only thing I do with it is click on game icon and play. I use Mac/Linux for everything else.
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I'm sorry but you're just misinformed and dragging in with the bandwagon of haters. I bet you haven't run W8 for a day yourself. I use it for all my gaming currently and it works flawlessly. The user interface is a bit dumb but that doesn't matter as the only thing I do with it is click on game icon and play. I use Mac/Linux for everything else.
we got a laptop with win8. it sucks to put it mildly. win8 is good if you have a touchscreen like on a tablet with a mouse and keyboard well it just plain sucks.
what I find hilarious about your defense of win8 is your acknowledgement that you dont actually use it.
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we got a laptop with win8. it sucks to put it mildly. win8 is good if you have a touchscreen like on a tablet with a mouse and keyboard well it just plain sucks.
what I find hilarious about your defense of win8 is your acknowledgement that you dont actually use it.
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I don't use any windows, period. They all suck and are prone to malware and viruses. But for a necessity like gaming a 40 dollar Win8 is a good bargain. It delivers everything that's needed.
Your hate towards win8 is borderline religious, get over it. Weren't you the guy who hated Macs also with passion? LOL! Asperger like behaviour.. anything out of the comfort zone and you get MAD! :D
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I don't use any windows, period. They all suck and are prone to malware and viruses. But for a necessity like gaming a 40 dollar Win8 is a good bargain. It delivers everything that's needed.
Your hate towards win8 is borderline religious, get over it. Weren't you the guy who hated Macs also with passion? LOL! Asperger like behaviour.. anything out of the comfort zone and you get MAD! :D
what makes me laugh is you asking people to spend 40 bucks on an UPGRADE to an os that you yourself already acknowledged dont use other than to push a button to play one game. I never bought a mac for only one reason: they're overpriced, which is the same reason why I never bought an iphone.
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what makes me laugh is you asking people to spend 40 bucks on an UPGRADE to an os that you yourself already acknowledged dont use other than to push a button to play one game. I never bought a mac for only one reason: they're overpriced, which is the same reason why I never bought an iphone.
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You can UPGRADE from the free consumer preview giving you a 40 dollar pro retail (transferrable) license of Windows. Or, well, you could untill the beginning of the month. I saw it as a quite good deal. Too bad if you don't see it. I never bought a Mac or an iPhone either. I got them as work benefits. I probably would think twice about paying the price for them also - but as they landed on my desk/pocket I have to say they're pretty darn good products.
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Ripley, you gotta admit that you promoting Win8 and saying it's great doesn't quite ring true when you yourself admit you don't USE the operating system for anything but gaming. That means you run into about 0.00001% of all the problems a normal user will encounter, everything from managing printers to storing or reviewing scanned photos, to checking mail, to browsing the web, to just plain old word processing.
It's a bit hypocritical, one might say. That's kind of how it's coming across to me. No offense, or anything, but I don't put any stock in your claims of how good Win8 is, based on that.
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Ripley, you gotta admit that you promoting Win8 and saying it's great doesn't quite ring true when you yourself admit you don't USE the operating system for anything but gaming. That means you run into about 0.00001% of all the problems a normal user will encounter, everything from managing printers to storing or reviewing scanned photos, to checking mail, to browsing the web, to just plain old word processing.
It's a bit hypocritical, one might say. That's kind of how it's coming across to me. No offense, or anything, but I don't put any stock in your claims of how good Win8 is, based on that.
I'm not 'promoting' win8 Im saying it's a totally usable product for gaming and you're full of bs if you try to claim otherwise. It performs equally with win7 speed wise so once you get over the UI changes it's pretty much the same as using win7.
Now what is your problem that causes this huge agenda against the _current_ OS from Microsoft? Are you the modern day Don Quijote that's fighting the rotating Win8 signs or what? MS has made it clear that it wants to push Win8 by force so you either quit using MS products alltogether or go with the flow. For me the best solution is to use 'best of all worlds' meaning I use 3 OSes for the tasks that best fit them.
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We were taking about a used system. In that case an i3 or i7 is a better choice and it won't cost more than an e8400.
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okay if you say so, :banana: :banana:
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Well you guys completly ran this subject to the ground. Can some one here maby point me in the right direction, for a decent computer. Remember i dont know alot about computers, so building one or adding parts is out of the picture
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here's 2 on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Essential-77805PU-Desktop-Computer/dp/B0085XFATU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1360517371&sr=1-1
this one is an e8400 but it is a deal breaker as it has no floppy drive. I wouldnt buy an e8400 without a floppy drive.
LOL I havent seen a PC with a floppy drive since pentiums.
And its got a CD drive which is all you need
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Wow... such an explosion for a response... Just... wow.
Let's just say us PC users that rely on windows, nay us PC users that enjoy windows, have major LEGITIMATE issues with Windows 8. Simply saying "it runs games" and then decrying us as false wolf-criers is itself a direct insult and slight to us, but then to sit there and say "I don't use it" in the same breath as "you have no reasons to dislike it" is utter BS.
And please don't place it upon my head. If you actually used windows XP, windows vista, windows 7, and then windows 8, you would not need US to explain it to YOU.
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Wow... such an explosion for a response... Just... wow.
Let's just say us PC users that rely on windows, nay us PC users that enjoy windows, have major LEGITIMATE issues with Windows 8. Simply saying "it runs games" and then decrying us as false wolf-criers is itself a direct insult and slight to us, but then to sit there and say "I don't use it" in the same breath as "you have no reasons to dislike it" is utter BS.
And please don't place it upon my head. If you actually used windows XP, windows vista, windows 7, and then windows 8, you would not need US to explain it to YOU.
You're just afraid of change that's all. I have broadened my spectrum of OSes many years ago so I don't see the huge issue with the changes made in Win8. Of course they're a slight annoyance but at best just that. I've been a full time windows user since windows 95 and have used every major Windows version since 3.11 so I don't think you need to be patronizing me on the 'use' lol :old:
There are alternatives for windows on practically every other aspect except gaming. So that's what I still use windows for and a 40 dollar Win8 suits my purposes perfectly. I would absolutely hate to pay 100+ bucks for windows. Especially soon to be expired old versions for it.
This whole argument is pointless now however as the deal is gone and you would need to pay a regular price for the upgrade or a new OS version. One thing that does help a little however is that with Win8 Microsoft legally allows home builders to use OEM licenses.
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You're just afraid of change that's all.
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So are you as you pointed out that all you use win8 is to press a button and play a game. you are just fooling yourself to think otherwise.
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Well you guys completly ran this subject to the ground. Can some one here maby point me in the right direction, for a decent computer. Remember i dont know alot about computers, so building one or adding parts is out of the picture
here are some links.
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/
http://www.tdcomputersystems.com/
or you can go to bestbuy and get what they have.
suggestions arent really gonna work for you as you will buy whatever other companies have. the only way you can control what goes into your system is if you build it yourself.
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So are you as you pointed out that all you use win8 is to press a button and play a game. you are just fooling yourself to think otherwise.
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Enough with the trolling already. I said I use 2 other OSes for purposes they suit better than windows for. I'm far from afraid of change. The things that remain with windows are the things that scare me - malware and viruses. Even with those you're much safer with Windows8 instead of 7 not to even mention XP.
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Well you guys completly ran this subject to the ground. Can some one here maby point me in the right direction, for a decent computer. Remember i dont know alot about computers, so building one or adding parts is out of the picture
Since you've told you're on a budget, here's a hint I've used more than a couple of times: Find a setup you might like. Look at Wikipedia for the CPU and GPU, keywords for Googling are something like "Intel/AMD processors wiki" and "GeForce/Radeon comparison". Note whether they are in the lower or upper end of their series. For AH you'd be looking for something like my rig or newer, in any case something with a top 3 processor and video card of their era. After you've got a rough idea about what you're looking for, it's time to do some ebay/local builder shopping. BTW the local builder could be a very good choice to make friends with, they might have what you need either as whole or in pieces, being able to build and test a rig for you, even give some warranty for your safety.
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You're just afraid of change that's all.
Wow... again, you absolutely insult me to my face by dismissing anything EVERYONE (myself included) has to say because you don't agree...
You, sir, are an insulting troll. Further, you are absolutely wrong. I welcome change for the better.
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Wow... again, you absolutely insult me to my face by dismissing anything EVERYONE (myself included) has to say because you don't agree...
You, sir, are an insulting troll. Further, you are absolutely wrong. I welcome change for the better.
Keep fighting windmills if you want. Microsoft draws the guidelines and you either go with them or stop using their products. In a couple of years you'll find how foolish your posts were when everyone is used to the new UI. :)
Similar naysayers were abundant when Windows XP came out. The XP interface sucked for a first two years. Then it became the standard and now it's the 'gold premium' nobody wanted to leave behind. See how it goes? It's called progress.
Or maybe MS will revert to old style, who knows. Somehow I doubt that will happen. In the meanwhile you will drag behind technological advancement by sticking with Windows XP or 7 decade after others stopped using them :)
I for example am required to learn the new UI and its quirks just for professional reasons alone. You'd look pretty foolish at a customer if you didn't know how to use the latest OS version :) So the only sensible way is to embrace the change no matter how foolish it feels. Once you do that you'll find out that Win8 is actually a pretty nicely working OS under the metro mess.
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Late to the thread, but I didn't want to star a new one... My cpu is dying. My pc is 5 years old. It's time to replace.
Primary use: AH
Secondary use: Quickbooks, Netflix, Hulu
I don't have the know-how to build one from scratch anymore. You got a TRS-80 or AST Bravo, I'm your tech. :old:
I need some advice from people that know what they are doing. What's the best bang for the buck, off the shelf pc to suit my needs? I really don't know what to look for in a pc that will optimize AH performance. I've got a budget of $1000 and all I need is the pc. I need a rig that will smoke AH and cruise thru HD video a few years before it's obsolete.
Thanks in advance for your advice. <S>
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An Intel Z77 motherboard, CPU Intel i7-3770k, GPU AMD Radeon HD7950, PSU Seasonic 750W, 8Gb of RAM, HDD of your choice, 500 GB and up, case Antec 300. Find a local reputable builder shop, preferably one run by gamers, they'd be happy to build that for you. It may cost some bucks more than from e-shops, but you'd get better service and good advice plus you'd keep the money in your hometown.
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Apple sucks!
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Apple sucks!
If you don't have money for it, for sure! ;)
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If you don't have money for it, for sure! ;)
Aw man thats signature material for someone right there :)
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I just built mine - 3570k Intel Cpu, asrock extreme4 motherboard, haf912 case, coolermaster hyper12+ cooler, xfx radeon 7870 vidcard, 8gb corsair vengeance memory (1666), 1tb hardrive, and seasonic 620w power supply, with a Dvd burner. Under 1000 including win7. Never built a computer before and had no idea what most of those numbers meant in October. It works. :banana: :banana: Newegg has some good videos on how to put stuff together. Pcpartpicker.com is helpful with pricing and compatibility check. The net has a ton of diy sites that have step by step directions - youtube has videos, review sites for components are out there. You really can build one. The site with prebuilt computers that came closest in price was Cyberpower. And that was $200 over what I paid and they used a generic power supply and unnamed video card (although it was a 7870 that I priced). I have no idea how good they are on the finished product and support. Oh, I did build model airplanes as a kid. Several of those were more complicated than putting the computer together.
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RPM I would go with what Dhaus just posted, or something very close. The 3570k cpu if you overclock it is one of the best bang for the bucks out there, and you can find it bundled with a decent MB from a lot of places in the low 300 range. 7870 is a good card for the money, or if you want to spend just a little more you can jump up to the 7950 as well. If you stick with a spinner hard drive and 8 or 16 gigs of decent ram, you can come in around 1000 without being too picky. Just get a half way decent power supply for everything, and you're laughing.
I just put together a 3570 system for 1200 for a friend and it is nearly as good as my 2200$ 3820 system with a 540$ 680 4 gig video card, and a 300$ motherboard etc etc. Go with the 3570, just make sure you get the "k" 3570k.
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Sad thing is I just bought a new 750w power supply for my old computer a month ago but it's not modular. I suspect all the new ones would need modular. One reason I'm leaning to a shelf model is support. Here's one that looks good. the power supply is knida small, but maybe I can swap it for the one I have.Thoughts?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229386
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Modularity is not a big thing. The main thing is, does your current PSU have the connectors for your video card. Actually, the modular ones I've seen seem to have permanently attached a bunch of cables you don't need and the detachable ones are impractically designed.
I suppose a new 750w PSU is designed for gaming, with enough power for a high end GPU or two and with corresponding connectors.
The rig you linked to has a mid-class video card. What's worse, this Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_600_Series#Products) leads to think it's built with DDR3 type of memory instead of GDDR5. As you also said, the power supply seems a little weak and they don't tell its manufacturer. Conclusion: Don't buy that!
Go to your local builder shop with your current psu and ask what they could build around it. Ask them dumb questions, like "why did they choose that brand of a component instead of a cheaper one with same specs". As for support, I'd rather rely on someone I can visit with a baseball bat than a faceless Internet market with constantly changing support personnel whom you can't personally visit.
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Sad thing is I just bought a new 750w power supply for my old computer a month ago but it's not modular. I suspect all the new ones would need modular. One reason I'm leaning to a shelf model is support. Here's one that looks good. the power supply is knida small, but maybe I can swap it for the one I have.Thoughts?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229386
that computer is gonna need a couple of upgrades if you want to use it for aces high. the video card is kindda on the low side. why dont you go to cyberpower directly and see if perhaps you can upgrade a bit.
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com
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All the ones I spec out with a Z77, 3770K, 7770 and 16G of ram (gotta have it for 64 bit from what I read) are $1200 +/-. That's $2-300 outa my price range.
Looks like I can step down to the i5 or wait it out and hope my pc lasts until a sale comes along. I'm having a hard time justifying spending a grand. All I use my pc for is AH,watch Hulu and do my bookwork. If it will run AH smooth, the rest shouldn't be a problem. That shouldn't cost anywhere near $1000.
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You need 16gig of ram for what 64 bit? If you want to take advantage of 16 gig of RAM, you need Win 64; but you don't need that much ram to run Win 64. I'm doing fine with 8 gigs of ram on Win7 64 bit. I'm not an expert, so maybe you're talking about something else? Secondly, the i5 3570K cpu will run AH very nicely (at least it does on mine so far). Most places were saying that the i7 for gaming was overkill (as was the 16 gig of ram). If one can afford it, I'm sure the i7 and more ram is better, but not necessary. But I was trying to keep my build at $900. Also, someone here HIGHLY recommended looking up a MicroCenter. MicroCenter's in store prices on the i5 3570K in combo with the Asrock Extreme4 (Z77) beat newegg's price for both by $90. I also found my case there for $15 cheaper than Newegg. I had to go in the store to get those prices. But that is if you can build your own. Finally, nothing magical about modular power supplies. It is a big help in cable management - keeping your case as clean as possible of extra wires to promote air flow - but that can be done with a non-modular psu in a decent case. I was able to use my existing monitor and keyboard so my final price was just at $900 with Win7 (64 bit). As far as the ready built, not sure you'll get much cheaper than the $1200 even with the i5 and 8 gig of ram. You can run AH on a computer that is way less than $1000, or so I understand. Give folks here a budget and they can give you specs that will run the game for close to that budget, or tell you no way. You might have to give up the hi-res pack and nice eye candy, but the game plays. I never could run that stuff until this build.
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I hear ya dhaus. I was just trying to spec one like Bizman originally quoted. If the i5 will run Win8 64 bit at 8G then that's good news. Also seeing lower prices for nVidia cards with 2G onboard. The builder page was saying it had to have 16G for 64 bit. I understand this should smoke AH, just thought the RAM was necessary for the OS.
I specced this one out at $880.
http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer_Paladin_D827
3750K, 8G DDR3, GeForce GT 630 - 2GB, Z77, liquid cooled, 1TB, onboard sound.
and this one at $890.
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Xtreme_2000
i5-3570K 3.40 GHz 6MB, Z77, 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz, Radeon HD 7770, 800W ps, 2TB HDD, onboard audio, liquid cooled.
Either of these should handle whatever HTC has to throw at it for a few years, right? Think I'm going to go with the Cyberpower.
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I would suggest you take each component you have a name for in those builds, look it up on newegg and read the reviews. The generic video cards (nvidia/radeon) you can find comparisons of on the net. You might want to consider a specific power supply you can look up rather than a generic "major brand name." A 750w power supply by Seasonic may be better than an 800w made by someone else. And Seasonic just may have made some of those supplies stamped Corsair or something else. Again, you can find that out on the net. Can't speak about water cooling. After you have your info on the components you can adjust as necessary. Oh, did I mention the wifeack actually accused me of obsessing over my build?!!! The nerve! :bolt:
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I hear ya dhaus. I was just trying to spec one like Bizman originally quoted. If the i5 will run Win8 64 bit at 8G then that's good news. Also seeing lower prices for nVidia cards with 2G onboard. The builder page was saying it had to have 16G for 64 bit. I understand this should smoke AH, just thought the RAM was necessary for the OS.
I specced this one out at $880.
http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer_Paladin_D827
3750K, 8G DDR3, GeForce GT 630 - 2GB, Z77, liquid cooled, 1TB, onboard sound.
and this one at $890.
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Xtreme_2000
i5-3570K 3.40 GHz 6MB, Z77, 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz, Radeon HD 7770, 800W ps, 2TB HDD, onboard audio, liquid cooled.
Either of these should handle whatever HTC has to throw at it for a few years, right? Think I'm going to go with the Cyberpower.
both need an upgraded power supply and the video card is on the low end, I believe. but it is a good start. just make sure you switch your os to win7 or be ready for a big surprise trying to work with win8 as it is annoying as heck.
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Rpm, don't take my advice as God-given. What I suggested was a long time investment which I knew would go well over $1000. If you're like me, you can achieve the same result by getting a good base to start with and upgrade when you can get the high end components cheaply as second hand.
The main problem with your candidates is the video card, just as Guncrasher/middy/semp said. Again, look at wikipedia articles, e.g. this one about GeForce 600 series. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_600_Series#Products). What you want is something in the highest quarter. There's similar tables for each GeForce generation as well as for AMD Radeons. For both, the first number tells the generation, although if you have a long time perspective the numbering isn't logical. Again, Google and Wikipedia are your friends. There's a bunch of articles of both GeForce and Radeon and in-depth reviews for each generation. The Radeon HD 7770 being mid class is more tempting than the GeForce GT630 which is in the lower third of its class.
The 3570 will probably be able to feed any current video card with sufficient speed for now, concerning AH. If you definitely aren't into overclocking, you can save a two digit sum by dropping the "k" off.
Another saving point is the water cooling. A good case should have sufficient air flow to keep the processor temperature well within limits even with the standard cooler. Plus there's no fear for leaks with a fan and a heat sink...
Don't save on the power supply. About 700W is enough, but I recommend a good quality one. Seasonic seems to have the best reputation these days. You're free to choose another brand, too. Japanese capacitors, 80+ Gold certification, extended warranty time etc. are good signs for longevity.
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Good advice again from Biz. Get a Seasonic or Cosair PSU, you can get one for 100$ for what you need. Regarding the case if you choose to build, I recommend finding a deal on a Corsair case. I've used many types in the last 2 years, and they've always been among the better, if not best. I found a C70 case, on of their new ones, for 75$ on sale, regular 140$. I actually prefer it over my d650 and d800 cases, one of which is 300$. It has the best cooling and circulation I've found in a sub 100 dollar case, and cleanable removable air filtersx3 in it. It's solid as a tank, with rubber carry handles on the top in order to move it around easily, something most cases do NOT have. I can help you find it cheaply if you want as well, PM me any time.
The advice on the 3570k or not k is pretty decent, however I recommend overclocking the K, it'll really give you the best value with almost no risk with a decent air cooler. I recommend air too btw, I know so many guys that say go with the corsair 60 or 100 water coolers, but I still do not trust them, and most builders don't give you a system warranty if you put one in, so draw your own conclusions from that. (I'm talking memexpress, ncix, etc up here in Canada, I'm not sure about US builders on this score). I'm using a Noctua D14 for the socket 2011x79 platform with an overclocked 3930 chip that's at 4.6, and never once had it lock or fail me. It even runs at the same temp as what the factory non custom water guys are getting (ie the corsair or whoever brand sealed h2o units). That all said, a 3570 without the k will run most of the cards up to their potential in your price range, you'll just lose maybe 10-20 percent on the frames per second on some games, it'll vary greatly, some you may not see any difference at all. Either way, have fun. I would take that advice about that system you suggested RPM, that video card just won't cut it for long imo. I had a 7770 in my old i7 920 box, and it couldn't run AH2 at anything near max, but it would get by ok with some stuff turned off. It also "got by" with every game out there, but getting by won't cut it for long. Any 600gt class card is a very cheap card, if you pick any of those systems at least get the 7770, but for your money you can do SO much better.
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I'd like to repeat the advice to go with Win7 over Win8. I'm using 7 on mine and the Hausfrau has 8 on her laptop. I can't stand 8. It really is designed for touchscreens. You should also look for scuzzy's comments on win8. Other than the touchscreen feature, I just don't see what advantage 8 has over 7 other than selling blood pressure pills.
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I ordered the Cyberpower, but it will have Win8 Pro. I already ordered it before your pleas of Win 7. I expected to have Windoze problems. There's always Windoze problems, yet everything is tailored towards the new platform eventually or we'd all still be running Win98.
i5-3570K 3.40 GHz 6MB, Z77, 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz, Radeon HD 7770, 800W ps, 2TB HDD, onboard audio, liquid cooled.
Thanks for the suggestions!
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Good luck with Cyberpower...that's all I have to say...
Anyways, just curious, how much for that PC? Because if it's anything around $900, you could've built a better rig for the same amount of money.
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Good luck with the new computer!! :rock
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I ordered the Cyberpower, but it will have Win8 Pro. I already ordered it before your pleas of Win 7. I expected to have Windoze problems. There's always Windoze problems, yet everything is tailored towards the new platform eventually or we'd all still be running Win98.
i5-3570K 3.40 GHz 6MB, Z77, 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz, Radeon HD 7770, 800W ps, 2TB HDD, onboard audio, liquid cooled.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Ignore the alarmists. Just install 'startisback' or similar add-on to Win8 and you'll barely notice it's not Win7. In fact it's better than Win7 with faster file copies, more informative task/resource manager etc. Even without startisback right clicking in the left low corner will give you a menu of often required functions which is very well thought:
Programs and Features
Power Options
Event Viewer
System
Device Manager
Disk Management
Computer Management
Command Prompt
Task Manager
Control Panel
File Explorer
Search
Run
i.e. pretty much all the common functions you're going to need when administering the computer.
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Good luck with Cyberpower...that's all I have to say...
Anyways, just curious, how much for that PC? Because if it's anything around $900, you could've built a better rig for the same amount of money.
$890 But as I said, I did not want to build it myself. Nor do I have a local guy that can build one. This works just dandy for my needs, it's got a warranty and if there's a problem UPS knows where I'm at.
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Ignore the alarmists.
You ignore everyone that uses windows far more than you and has a differing opionion, then you dismiss them as being alarmist.
There's a difference.
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You ignore everyone that uses windows far more than you and has a differing opionion, then you dismiss them as being alarmist.
There's a difference.
Your hate is blinding you. Get over it, seriously. :O
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Your hate is blinding you. Get over it, seriously. :O
you already acknowledged you dont use windows except to push a button to play a game. now you claim to be an expert on it.
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Not sure how giving my honest opinion on 8 and 7 is alarmist. I've used both. Cussed at 8 not at 7. You say ignore the alarmists, then tell us to use an add on and to tweak 8 "so you'll barely notice it's not 7." If the User interface of 8 was so good why are there add-ons and tweaks to make it just like 7? Stating fact, as krusty has done, is not blind hatred. You dismissed negative comments on 8 - including skuzzy's - on the win8 thread in similar fashion. RPM- looks like there are some tips on how to make win8 easier to use in the desktop environment. If the new rig is replacing an aging system that suffers framerate hits at the lowest settings, you will love it!
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Actually my old system is an AMD 64x2 2.6G, 4G, Radeon 4770, 750W running Vista. I have no problems with frame rate. I can get steady 60fps with moderately high settings, but the CPU is dying. I even installed a new hi volume cooler master and the thing still overheats sitting idle. Could probably get away with just swapping CPUs but I bought it in '07 for about $500, so I feel I got my money's worth out of it.
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Actually my old system is an AMD 64x2 2.6G, 4G, Radeon 4770, 750W running Vista. I have no problems with frame rate. I can get steady 60fps with moderately high settings, but the CPU is dying. I even installed a new hi volume cooler master and the thing still overheats sitting idle. Could probably get away with just swapping CPUs but I bought it in '07 for about $500, so I feel I got my money's worth out of it.
Out of professional curiosity: How do you determine the CPU is dying? I have bought and used PC-check (http://www.eurosoft-uk.com/pccheck.html) but mostly in vain. The only working method for finding a failing CPU has been swapping and even that doesn't work if the glitches are minor and happen at random intervals. So please, if you have a diagnostics tool for CPU, I'd like to know. BTW instead of CPU, most often random glitches on eldering computers have been due to a failing PSU, followed by aged motherboard capacitors during these eight years I've worked on various household computers.
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you already acknowledged you dont use windows except to push a button to play a game. now you claim to be an expert on it.
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ROFLOL! Did I already say you're blinded by your warrantless hate? I'm a professional with computers. I do this stuff for living lol. At my home use I use windows solely for gaming and there my needs are pretty much limited to what you described. Windows 8 has served me exceptionally well in gaming use. I am however required to get a deeper knowledge of Windows 8 for professional reasons.
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Not sure how giving my honest opinion on 8 and 7 is alarmist. I've used both. Cussed at 8 not at 7. You say ignore the alarmists, then tell us to use an add on and to tweak 8 "so you'll barely notice it's not 7." If the User interface of 8 was so good why are there add-ons and tweaks to make it just like 7? Stating fact, as krusty has done, is not blind hatred. You dismissed negative comments on 8 - including skuzzy's - on the win8 thread in similar fashion. RPM- looks like there are some tips on how to make win8 easier to use in the desktop environment. If the new rig is replacing an aging system that suffers framerate hits at the lowest settings, you will love it!
*Sigh* you can make Win8 to look and perform pretty much like Win7 BUT IT IS A DIFFERENT OPERATING SYSTEM! Get it?
The user interface can be circumvented if you don't like it, this was the point. For many the new interface does not pose a problem. For the ones with computer version of Aspergers syndrome the change of UI can cause raging panic/anger attacks :D
The negative comments are coming from people who have little to no personal experience on actually using Win8 and repeat the same worn out mantras they've learned from the internet. It's about as productive as listening to people who have never used macs bash on them. They just don't know what they're talking about, simple as that.
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ROFLOL! Did I already say you're blinded by your warrantless hate? I'm a professional with computers. I do this stuff for living lol. At my home use I use windows solely for gaming and there my needs are pretty much limited to what you described. Windows 8 has served me exceptionally well in gaming use. I am however required to get a deeper knowledge of Windows 8 for professional reasons.
Chill, he claimed before that AMD cards wont work with Intel CPUs... ;)
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Chill, he claimed before that AMD cards wont work with Intel CPUs... ;)
you also claimed you were leaving the game.
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Good sir, go, hunt down Debrody's 190 :aok
Good luck! ;)
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I wonder whether who's disappearance is coincidental of debrody's?? :noid
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RiplEy, I would take you seriously, but to do so would be an affront to your intelligence. Whatever your supposed expertise in computers, you need some help in reading comprehension. I do use win8 - my wife's laptop, remember? Of course 8 is a different OS, I am discussing why I prefer 7 - in my experience. Outside of a touch screen environment, the user interface of 8 is awful. If it weren't so bad, there would be no reason for add-ons or tweaks to make the user interface "just like 7." That is my point - get it? I also researched 7 and 8 before getting my OS. Did 8 offer any benefits over 7 that made living with 8 worth the aggravation? For what I need, it does not. I do not want to pay Microsoft to be a beta user and test their new OS. I would rather get one that works fine, has all the bugs worked out and a user interface designed for the desktop environment. If you want to be a Microsoft fanboy, go right ahead. But dismissing other's criticisms without taking the time to understand what that criticism is does not advance your cause.
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Out of professional curiosity: How do you determine the CPU is dying? I have bought and used PC-check (http://www.eurosoft-uk.com/pccheck.html) but mostly in vain. The only working method for finding a failing CPU has been swapping and even that doesn't work if the glitches are minor and happen at random intervals. So please, if you have a diagnostics tool for CPU, I'd like to know. BTW instead of CPU, most often random glitches on eldering computers have been due to a failing PSU, followed by aged motherboard capacitors during these eight years I've worked on various household computers.
I determined the CPU is going bad because it keeps overheating and shutting down even with a new fan and PSU. Could be something else, but I don't care because I've got a new computer on the way.
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Hope you enjoy it! :banana: :banana: And let us know how cyberpower works out. I've looked at them for a couple of years now.
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I determined the CPU is going bad because it keeps overheating and shutting down even with a new fan and PSU. Could be something else, but I don't care because I've got a new computer on the way.
Thanks, looks like you've spotted the culprit. A used CPU of the same make seems to be around $20 at Ebay, probably about the same at your local shop if they have one. Not too much for testing if you were in need for a second computer for lesser needs.
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RiplEy, I would take you seriously, but to do so would be an affront to your intelligence. Whatever your supposed expertise in computers, you need some help in reading comprehension. I do use win8 - my wife's laptop, remember? Of course 8 is a different OS, I am discussing why I prefer 7 - in my experience. Outside of a touch screen environment, the user interface of 8 is awful. If it weren't so bad, there would be no reason for add-ons or tweaks to make the user interface "just like 7." That is my point - get it? I also researched 7 and 8 before getting my OS. Did 8 offer any benefits over 7 that made living with 8 worth the aggravation? For what I need, it does not. I do not want to pay Microsoft to be a beta user and test their new OS. I would rather get one that works fine, has all the bugs worked out and a user interface designed for the desktop environment. If you want to be a Microsoft fanboy, go right ahead. But dismissing other's criticisms without taking the time to understand what that criticism is does not advance your cause.
One day I'm an Apple fanboy then the next Microsoft lol. What next? :D
By your own words you don't use Win8 - your wife does. So you probably havent spent enough time to familiarize yourself with the new interface and that's why you feel irritated by it. It's understandable. But it will pass. And if it won't there's always startisback etc. little helpers.
Win8 is a perfectly fine operating system so nobody should start pulling hair off their heads if the new computer is going to come with it preinstalled.
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By my own words I do use Win8. It's that reading comprehension thing again. We have it on my wife's laptop. I use hers as well as my desktop. In fact, I have had to learn how to use it so I can help her use it. So I am quite familiar with it. Don't worry, as you read more, you'll familiarize yourself with the English language and be better able to comprehend it. :devil
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By my own words I do use Win8. It's that reading comprehension thing again. We have it on my wife's laptop. I use hers as well as my desktop. In fact, I have had to learn how to use it so I can help her use it. So I am quite familiar with it. Don't worry, as you read more, you'll familiarize yourself with the English language and be better able to comprehend it. :devil
It wouldn't be called your wifes laptop if you were using it. Period. :D
The fact that you haven't yet learned how simple Win8 really is to use shows clearly that you haven't spent any time with it. You're just like a typical Mac hater who hates out of ignorance. Of course everything alien to you seems crappy untill you learn how it works - and then it can be excellent like in Macs case.
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Wow, I typed that last as slowly as I could in hopes it would help you with the comprehension issues. Guess not. Good luck! :salute
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Wow, I typed that last as slowly as I could in hopes it would help you with the comprehension issues. Guess not. Good luck! :salute
Thanks for omitting yourself to defeat by resorting to personal attacks.
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Thanks for omitting yourself to defeat by resorting to personal attacks.
omg this is funny since you are the one who started the personal attacks on those who disagreed with you.
midway
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omg this is funny since you are the one who started the personal attacks on those who disagreed with you.
midway
Whut? Like where?
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Lol. Calling you on deliberate misreading of my replies is a personal attack? Good luck!
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well since you fix other people's computers by definition you dont use them and since you already admitted you only use win8 to press a button to play a game then you dont know win8. if you had taken the time to really get to know win8 then you would give us an objective view of it as a gaming platform despite the big annoyance that it is.
if you still disagree list the technical reasons why win8 is so much better than win7, but that wont be easy considering that by your own standards you dont know win8. if you had taken the time to really get to know win8 then you would have given us an objective view of it as a gaming platform instead of being the annoyance that you have been.
midway
Hahahaha is that the best you can come up with? I already explained I'm studying Win8 for work purposes and the said usage scenario is how I use it at home.
List technical problems with Win8 which make it worse than Win7. Waiting...
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Hahahaha is that the best you can come up with? I already explained I'm studying Win8 for work purposes and the said usage scenario is how I use it at home.
List technical problems with Win8 which make it worse than Win7. Waiting...
too many clicks.
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too many clicks.
midway
First of all that's not true and second that's not a technical reason, that's a user interface issue. Still waiting...
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I would say that to many clicks could be technical.. i mean they could technically make it to where there are less clicks. You dodged his question ripely..
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I would say that to many clicks could be technical.. i mean they could technically make it to where there are less clicks. You dodged his question ripely..
No I didn't. He dodged my question by trying to turn the question to me. I never made any claim whatsoever that Win8 was better than Win7 (except for the 40 dollar price then) so he was grasping straws. My claim is that Win8 is essentially the same with Win7 when UI is left out, these two are trying to claim Win8 is not. Therefore it's their job to now explain which technical problems would stop anyone from using Win8 as a gaming machine successfully. I know they're very silent now because they can't find any data to back up their claim. They're just repeating the BS they've read from different FUD spreading trolls.
How many clicks here or there are not technical questions, they're a user interface design question. And besides as I said, Win8 does not require any more clicks compared to Win7. Win7 required more clicks compared to XP but that's a whole another issue :)
Windows 8 may feel at first that it's harder to use, before you learn to use the new interface. After you learn it it's just as easy if not easyer than the old one.
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Your question was or looked to be directed to dhaus. Midway answered yours with clicks. He asked you a question and you dodged it..
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Your question was or looked to be directed to dhaus. Midway answered yours with clicks. He asked you a question and you dodged it..
He asked me a question about a claim I never made. So you're wrong - I didn't dodge anything. I have stated and will state again that Win8 is extremely similar to Win7 technologically and nothing stops a user from using it just as they would use Win7.
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I love microsoft product these days a kind of underdog. But we all cant without ..anyone seen playing AH on a Mac or Ubuntu machine???
After having a Lumia 800 with WindowsPhone a year ago i really got enthousiast. I bought a PC last January a I5 3550 with still a simple nvidia card but runs AH like a dream getting max frame rates everywhere. I also upgraded a laptop here to Windows 8 together with my WP and Xbox i'm having a nice eco system. I hope this year ill get a surface tablet too...Just love the UI it beats all.
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You first suggest I have "the equivalent of computer Asbergers", then accuse me 3 times of lying - and lying about what was actually stated in my replies to do so, and I'm the one making personal attacks. Rubbish. The technical reason I prefer Win7 over Win8 is I have to take several steps in Win8 to do the same thing I can do in Win7 with one step. Guncrasher/midway gave you the same reason - he used the word "clicks" - which you dismiss as "not technical." Rubbish again. When someone disagrees with you, you resort to either personal attacks (Asbergers); accusing the other person of lying; or you keep moving the goalposts - their reason for disagreement is "not technical" enough or you're not talking about the UI, as if it is not part of Win8. I'm glad you're enjoying Win8. I prefer Win7.
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Quite right dhaus. Well summarized.
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Is this with or withouth knowlegde of shortcuts.
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Is this with or withouth knowlegde of shortcuts.
well, I used the phrase "too many clicks" just because I was watching Amadeus at the time. and the king tells mozar that his music has too many notes. meaning while it is good it is just too long.
now not saying win8 is good, but why in the heck must I click something to get to the desktop in my gf's computer? and if I dont click to get to the desktop then I must click to scroll right to get to the tab that has firefox on it, which means even more clicks.
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You first suggest I have "the equivalent of computer Asbergers", then accuse me 3 times of lying - and lying about what was actually stated in my replies to do so, and I'm the one making personal attacks. Rubbish. The technical reason I prefer Win7 over Win8 is I have to take several steps in Win8 to do the same thing I can do in Win7 with one step. Guncrasher/midway gave you the same reason - he used the word "clicks" - which you dismiss as "not technical." Rubbish again. When someone disagrees with you, you resort to either personal attacks (Asbergers); accusing the other person of lying; or you keep moving the goalposts - their reason for disagreement is "not technical" enough or you're not talking about the UI, as if it is not part of Win8. I'm glad you're enjoying Win8. I prefer Win7.
So I'm sure you'll now explain what exactly you do that takes several steps more? For example opening drive management, programs and features etc. takes several clicks LESS in windows 8 compared to 7.
You probably haven't even tried to use it so I'm not expecting a factual answer from you (or midway). :lol
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So I'm sure you'll now explain what exactly you do that takes several steps more? For example opening drive management, programs and features etc. takes several clicks LESS in windows 8 compared to 7.
You probably haven't even tried to use it so I'm not expecting a factual answer from you (or midway). :lol
i was gonna say something, but I think, i am just gonna up my post count. after all I think that is all you want to do anyway.
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i was gonna say something, but I think, i am just gonna up my post count. after all I think that is all you want to do anyway.
midway
It's clear that you don't even know if Win8 really needs more clicks. You just read others compain about it and now repeat it with a strange passion.
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It's clear that you don't even know if Win8 really needs more clicks. You just read others compain about it and now repeat it with a strange passion.
well didnt you noticed the last time you came to my house than I have a win7 desktop, a 3 month old laptop with win8 preinstalled and a tablet with custom android rom. also have a phone with a custom android rom.
and I dont even have to post how many clicks it takes to shut the laptop down, then again you already posted that a few weeks ago.
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Having reviewed the rules of your game, above, I have no need to play. And thanks for accusing me of lying a fourth time - before I even typed a reply. Have a nice day!
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Are you two finished?
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Having reviewed the rules of your game, above, I have no need to play. And thanks for accusing me of lying a fourth time - before I even typed a reply. Have a nice day!
You make the conclusions, I never said you were a liar. I just said you most likely won't be able to back your claim up and looksee what happened? :rofl
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well didnt you noticed the last time you came to my house than I have a win7 desktop, a 3 month old laptop with win8 preinstalled and a tablet with custom android rom. also have a phone with a custom android rom.
and I dont even have to post how many clicks it takes to shut the laptop down, then again you already posted that a few weeks ago.
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Except with the new sleep you have no need to even shut down the laptop you just close the lid and it will open almost instantaneously when you reopen it. You just don't know how to use Win8, clear and simple.
By the way, shutting down the computer takes 3 clicks (or one press to the power button or alt+f4 on desktop and press of enter) in Win8 and 3 clicks in Win7 unless you have set 'shut down' as default function in the power button ;)
The only difference being then that Win8 boots up considerably quicker compared to the 7 so any extra time you spent to that possible 1 click is 100 fold negated on the bootup :D
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All this debate about how fast a computer boots and shuts down reminds me of the story about an athlete training to be 1/100 second faster. How will he spend the time he spared? Arguments and calculations about the achieved working time have been published also in ICT professional magazines. I can't help wondering, would a minute a day really add productivity, although summed together for a lifelong career the saved minutes make days and weeks. I have a feeling that the daily minute saved makes most computers run idle one minute longer than they used to.
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All this debate about how fast a computer boots and shuts down reminds me of the story about an athlete training to be 1/100 second faster. How will he spend the time he spared? Arguments and calculations about the achieved working time have been published also in ICT professional magazines. I can't help wondering, would a minute a day really add productivity, although summed together for a lifelong career the saved minutes make days and weeks. I have a feeling that the daily minute saved makes most computers run idle one minute longer than they used to.
I can tell that the convenience of having a computer start in 1 second instead of waiting for 10 or more when you want to quickly check for something is a major issue in practise.
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I can tell that the convenience of having a computer start in 1 second instead of waiting for 10 or more when you want to quickly check for something is a major issue in practise.
I know, understand and have experienced the issue. Mostly it has happened to me when someone has called me outside my working hours, asking for advice. In my private life I can wait for ten seconds. Or two minutes, for that matter.
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All this debate about how fast a computer boots and shuts down reminds me of the story about an athlete training to be 1/100 second faster. How will he spend the time he spared? Arguments and calculations about the achieved working time have been published also in ICT professional magazines. I can't help wondering, would a minute a day really add productivity, although summed together for a lifelong career the saved minutes make days and weeks. I have a feeling that the daily minute saved makes most computers run idle one minute longer than they used to.
It's quite noticable in a large business organization. Having spent time as a Director of MIS at one time in my career one of my objectives was to drive efficiency (i.e. the fewest keystrokes possible to intuitively complete a task, the fastest data response time, etc.). Over the course of a year with hundreds or thousands of employees those micro savings add up.
I wish I was in a similar position in the company I'm in now (Fortune 500). They keep going in the opposite direction, adding more clicks, extending password requirements, etc. It takes me a full 15 minutes every morning to boot up and launch the applications I need to do my job. With 10's of thousands of employees a mediocre efficiency expert would look like a genius in our organization.
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I fully understand your point, BaldEagle. IMO cutting seconds off the startup time is a different issue than sorting out unnecessary clicking. The former only happens once a day, before actually starting to work, the latter slows down the work flow. Good point anyway.