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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Spikes on March 07, 2013, 01:49:04 PM
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/ki43/ki43-4.jpg)
Good stuff :)
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Very nice. Will be fun to use this as a break from heavier, more serious things.
Thank you, HTC. :aok
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They really have been busy lately :x
Thanks HTC
Now look again at my thread with Nr_Rav3n's amazing, beautiful terrain!!!
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WTG HTC!
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now retsu singu arongu :rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS12isLjS5w
there should at least 3 variants of ki-43 coming
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:rock :rock :rock :rock
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:aok
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B-29s, beware! :old:
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Armament options will probably be a one 7.7mm and one 12.7mm gun or two 12.7mm guns in the cowl. I think it could carry two 250kg bombs, but I am not certain of that. It was also the most lightly built of all WWII fighters, so far as I know. No protection of any kind and not as structurally sound as the A6Ms.
On the other hand it should be insanely maneuverable. Take a plane that is already better turning than the A6M2 with a better roll rate and give it fowler flaps like the P-38s and Ki-84 have.
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Holy balls!
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Nice.
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Where's our Meteor? :cry
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This may be splitting hairs but i'd like to see this variant appear too :pray
it's pretty significant enough that this variant is ~20 mph faster (see exhaust stacks)
(http://images.nipponcinema.com/tag/for-those-we-love.jpg?v=1330762804)
(http://planetaua.net/uploads/posts/2011-07/1310847657_b4174b393d1d1b2888b6be8e4e756b3c.png)
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YES!!!! WAY TO GO HTC!!!! This is GREAT news! :aok
This certainly goes a LONG way in filling out the Japanese plane set, there are only 1-2 more glaring gaps to fill. ;)
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Nice plane but what's with the clothes line stretching from front to back? Is that so the pilot can hang his soiled undies out to dry?
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Nice plane but what's with the clothes line stretching from front to back? Is that so the pilot can hang his soiled undies out to dry?
Bah, a lot of planes have that and I don't ever see any laundry handing out to dry. ;) Maybe it is for tuning in to Tokyo? :D
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I'm really liking this update! Looking forward to all these new planes.
Wiley.
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:pray :old: :O :aok
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I'm really liking this update! Looking forward to all these new planes.
Wiley.
Yes, this is the biggest aircraft update in many years. I had been checking all day to see if HTC had another toy to show us based on the dates of the last reveals. I have not been disappointed,
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My word! Given the way things have been ticked off my personal bucket list in the last couple of weeks, the Shoki (Tojo) and the Jack will be next, closely followed by the FIAT G.55.
You guys can all thank me later.
When the Shoki does turn up, I'm changing the Aces High theme music to the Ghostbusters theme.
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Alright!!!!
Can't wait to take her for a spin!
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very nice I can see it getting torn apart with 50 cal from here.
should be fun to fly though!! :aok
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Excellent, great to see new any planes other than more US,LW or Brit :salute
<S>...-Gixer
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Very cool. Looking forward to taking it for a spin.
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Most excellent. This will really fill a big historical hole.
- oldman (Oscars v. 38Gs, ought to be exciting)
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Do the wings on the model look too thick to anybody else? I was looking at photos online and none of them seem to be that, well, balloon like.
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Very Cool!
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Do the wings on the model look too thick to anybody else? I was looking at photos online and none of them seem to be that, well, balloon like.
I have a similar first impression...
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/ki43/ki43-5.jpg)
(http://users.skynet.be/Emmanuel.Gustin/fgun/ki43-b.jpg)
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I wonder if it can cobra
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Rite on! :aok
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Why are all the japanese fighter's cockpits blue?
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very nice I can see it getting torn apart with 50 cal from here.
should be fun to fly though!! :aok
I think a few 30 cals would do the job pretty easy too. Think it will be fun to dogfight this vs a D3A
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Gonna require some straight shooting with its light armament. I use the 2 13mm a lot if I'm saddled up good or run out of cannon in the 84. Can we get an achievement for assists in a KI-43? :D
AMAX
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Do the wings on the model look too thick to anybody else? I was looking at photos online and none of them seem to be that, well, balloon like.
Seems like it.
(http://www.museumofflight.org/files/imagecache/lightbox/TMOF_Nakajima-Ki-43-IIB-Hayabusa-Oscar-4_P2.jpg)
(http://www.museumofflight.org/files/imagecache/lightbox/TMOF_Nakajima-Ki-43-IIB-Hayabusa-Oscar-1_P1.jpg)
ack-ack
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I'm looking forward to the I-16 vs Oscar duels during EW scenarios over China. Same goes for the P40C's and Hurricane Mk I's. It is too bas we don't have an accurate Buffalo for those EW scenarios, the Buffalo B-239 we have now isn't the right bird for Asian campaigns, obviously off the mark a ways.
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Armament options will probably be a one 7.7mm and one 12.7mm gun or two 12.7mm guns in the cowl. I think it could carry two 250kg bombs, but I am not certain of that. It was also the most lightly built of all WWII fighters, so far as I know. No protection of any kind and not as structurally sound as the A6Ms.
On the other hand it should be insanely maneuverable. Take a plane that is already better turning than the A6M2 with a better roll rate and give it fowler flaps like the P-38s and Ki-84 have.
afaik late ki43 where armoured to some extent, and had some type of self-sealed fuel tanks
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I'm looking forward to the I-16 vs Oscar duels during EW scenarios over China. Same goes for the P40C's and Hurricane Mk I's. It is too bas we don't have an accurate Buffalo for those EW scenarios, the Buffalo B-239 we have now isn't the right bird for Asian campaigns, obviously off the mark a ways.
We would need the B-339 versions that flew with the RAF/Commonwealth and Dutch East Indies forces.
ack-ack
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Wooo again!
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Used the relationship of the cowel cooling flaps 1 - 6 to map the wing fillet against points A and B. A is the common lower cowling panel mount line, and B is the top of the wing fillet. The white line is a common reference line from the real life photo and the center of cowl flap (3).
Ack-Ack's picture the top of the fillet arc stops 3\4 up cooling flap (3.).
Ack-Ack's Real Life Picture.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img27/3370/rlki43.gif)
Aces High's screen shot the top of the fillet arc stops 1\4 up cooling flap (4).
Aces High Screen Shot.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img138/8504/ahki43.gif)
By the way. The real life scoop under the cowel is bell curve shaped in cross section while the AH is rectangularish in cross section. Or at least using Ack-Ack's photo as a baseline.
Even in this photo the wing fillet stops 3\4 up cowel flap (3).
(http://svsm.org/albums/ki-43/DSC00169.jpg)
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Just a skoshi flatter scoop but, cowel flap (3), fillet is 3\4 of the way up.
(http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/bill_spidle3/ki-43_iib_hayabusa/images/ki-43_iib_hayabusa_11_of_47.jpg)
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Great news for events. :aok
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<-------Now for the KI-44 !!!! :pray
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Thank you HTC.
It looks awesome.
I am in shock.
I am very, very, very happy about this addition.
Thanks again HTC :salute
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Most excellent.
Now the biggest gap in the planeset is a true midwar Soviet built fighter.
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Great news for events! :aok
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Worried that your Ki-43's wings are too thin? Well no worries here! Our thick wing Ki's are surely to make you feel a little safer. Plus, there is the added bonus of being able to tack them onto B-17's as a quick fix!
This is the NEW Ki-43! Now with 50% more wing!
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It will get fixed, i still miss the cartoon wheels on the p40's...That was just comedy.
This update is going to be amazing, this plane alone is going to change the air war in many ways. And i really do hope we get the 20mm cannon version someday as well. Just for the little bit of bite.
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Hell yeah!!!
Look for a very special Flying Tigers setup on a new terrain in AvA once this bird gets in game
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Ki-43 gets more use than the Brewster in game.
ack-ack
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OH that reminds me, didn't they use HE rounds in the 12.7mm versions!?
Edit: "The Ho-103 was often loaded with explosive ammunition to increase target effect; its penetrative effect against later Allied aircraft armor appears to have been marginal."
hmmmmmms. :devil
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Good to see the Japanese getting a little love, good looking Oscar there guys.
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Well it does lack the firepower of the B-239s 4 x 12.7s but it will be super manueverable (at least in terms of wing loading) at low-med speeds.
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yeah its going to be something to see a brew & ki-43 go head to head.
Most will come down to who's in the cock pit and the first one to mess up, fire power vs. turning. Even a quick rack with x2 of the brewsters .50's can decimate the ki. But if the ki can get on the brew is probably a done deal.
I cant wait to see how/if HTC balances and coeds the high explosive rounds mostly used for this aircraft. (.50's with explosive damage, say wuuh!?) uh..cant wait to straff stoops with them!
EDIT: That also reminds me, i wonder if the rate of fire will be lowered for this A/C or if it will fire at its max rpm even tho in truth it shouldn't.
The future is bright!!
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I know they'll fix it. I'm just uber excited about all the updates and additions! :x He-111....*drools* Hmmm, wonder if we'll see a Soviet Bomber next. :headscratch: :x
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It's the new Zero, just don't turn with it and you can out run it. :rolleyes:
This is an example of a wasteful wish.
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It's the new Zero, just don't turn with it and you can out run it. :rolleyes:
This is an example of a wasteful wish.
You sound like Tank-Ace.
The vast majority of aces in the IJAF became so flying the Ki-43. It was the primary fighter of the IJAF for almost the entire war and shot down more Allied planes than any other Japanese fighter. Not having the Ki-43 in Japanese plane set would be like not having the P-51 for the US plane set. It's not a wasteful wish, it plugs a serious hole in the Japanese plane set and for scenarios/FSO/AvA.
ack-ack
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a third variant must come out to make it (barely) competitive in MA...
Ki-43-III (with optional Ho-5 nose cannons)
now if we want fair play against allied early war p39s, p40s, hurricanes and Chinese I-16s...
Ki-43-I
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Well done HTC :aok. I'll renew my subscription for a few months again when this patch gets released
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You sound like Tank-Ace.
The vast majority of aces in the IJAF became so flying the Ki-43. It was the primary fighter of the IJAF for almost the entire war and shot down more Allied planes than any other Japanese fighter. Not having the Ki-43 in Japanese plane set would be like not having the P-51 for the US plane set. It's not a wasteful wish, it plugs a serious hole in the Japanese plane set and for scenarios/FSO/AvA.
ack-ack
But it wont w1N tEh WaRz! ;)
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Ki-43 gets more use than the Brewster in game.
ack-ack
Is there any parameter in which its inferior to the Brewster? Save armament, of course.
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Is there any parameter in which its inferior to the Brewster? Save armament, of course.
The B-239 is more rugged than the Ki-43 and probably can take a little bit of more punishment.
ack-ack
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It's only a waste if you never step outside the LW. This thing is going to get a lot of use in other venues.
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Is there any parameter in which its inferior to the Brewster? Save armament, of course.
In a dive.
And I'm still in shock. Big thanks HTC :cheers:
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I would have to say the Brewster is probably better in the dive, while the Oscar would likely be better in the climb.
Although, both aircraft have fabric covered control surfaces, but from my perspective the Brew dives VERY well in Aces High.
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Depending on the version, it will not take much to knock these fighters out of the sky (ki-43), the later versions will survive a bit better with self sealing tanks and the armor behind the cockpit, all in all the structure or each aircraft may as well be night and day. Every indication says the brewster will be able to handle much more punishment then the ki-34 ever could. It should also be noted the engines caught fire very easy. Making even head on's while in the ki-43, a very bad idea.
I also retract my statement about the HE ammo used, not only was the round not as good as the .50 right off the bat "less power and less m/s",the rounds tended to blow up on impact before any type of penetration was made, in most ranges they wouldn't even have a effect on normal a/c plane skin that a copper jacket .50 cal would have. That kind of make me sad in ways,but i still wonder what the effect would be if it hit a plane with a damaged fuel tank, if it would set fire better then normal gun fire. Or if the blast range would help the ki-43 while straffing troops. Im sure any effect would not be huge,as even the 37mm on the p-39's blast range is well....very limited. However i also question if the HE ammo was used in a pure HE form or if they slipped some ap & copper jacket round in the belt as well. If that is the case it would just become a low grade lower damage .50 cal bmg.
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In spite of it's percieved weakness, it shot down more allied planes than any other japanese plane.
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The B-239 is more rugged than the Ki-43 and probably can take a little bit of more punishment.
ack-ack
Rugged as in g-force related stress, or gunfire?
Because I've never felt the brew to be able to take much of a hit. Certainly not enough to make me take it over the A6M.
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Most excellent.
Now the biggest gap in the planeset is a true midwar Soviet built fighter.
Hmmm... I'd almost say a Soviet bomber is a bigger "need" for their plane set. I'm under the impression that the Yak-9U was an early 1943 plane, and the La5FN was a late 1943 plane.
Either way, the Soviets are void of a level bomber. :)
FWIW, you bananas hoping for an accurate representation of a Oscar vs a Brewster Buffalo knife fight need to remember that the Brewsters that were in the PTO are not in AH. What AH has and what was used by the Dutch, RAF, FAA, RAAF, USN, etc, are two different things. We all know the Brewster we have in AH is not an accurate representation of anything but a Finn's wet dream. :bolt: ;)
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BaDkaRmA158Th,
Against structures the 12.7mm Ho-103 does 1.000lbs of damage per hit, as compared to the Browning .50's 1.170lbs and the 13mm MG131's 0.920lbs. I don't have the numbers for the Breda 12.7mm gun or the Soviet 12.7mm gun yet.
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But it wont w1N tEh WaRz!
OMG, ur so rite dude!
Like, what were they thinking?
- oldman
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They were thinking: "Take that red dude, pew pew pew!" :D
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BaDkaRmA158Th,
Against structures the 12.7mm Ho-103 does 1.000lbs of damage per hit, as compared to the Browning .50's 1.170lbs and the 13mm MG131's 0.920lbs. I don't have the numbers for the Breda 12.7mm gun or the Soviet 12.7mm gun yet.
Oh wow the mg 131 only has 0.920!?
From what i understand is it was a Ho-103 using a smaller and weaker breda round. Might this end up being one of the weakest 12.7mm found in the game?
400 rpg firing through a prop, less m/s then most .50's and HE round's that would blow up before penetration. Almost makes the 7.7mm options more viable as they would at least have a chance of penetration. :|
Also wondering if using one .30cal & one .50 cal would make this aircraft effective when firing at wings and gas tanks, think of the .30 chewing holes and allowing fule to leak out,while the .50's blow up on the outside setting fire to things. Whatcha' think?
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They are the same 12.7mm guns as on the Ki-61 and Ki-84, and from experience the two on the Ki-84 are quite usable once the cannon ammo is gone.
400rpm would be more accurate, but if I recall correctly AH just docks 10% of the full rate of fire for any synchronized weapons.
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BaDkaRmA158Th,
Against structures the 12.7mm Ho-103 does 1.000lbs of damage per hit, as compared to the Browning .50's 1.170lbs and the 13mm MG131's 0.920lbs. I don't have the numbers for the Breda 12.7mm gun or the Soviet 12.7mm gun yet.
US/UK M2 .50 cal = 1.17 lbs
Soviet UBS 12.7mm = 1.15 lbs (which is surprising because it fired a slightly heavier projectile at a slightly higher velocity compared vs the US .50 cal yet does less damage, not much but still :headscratch: )
Japanese Ho-103 12.7mm = .99 lbs
Italian Breda-SAFAT 12.7mm = .95 lbs
German MG131 13mm = 0.92 lbs
Remember, the damage done to OBJ does not necessarily correlate exactly to damage done to aircraft and vehicles.
In regards to the lethality of a pair of cowl mounted MG's, be it .30 cals or .50 cals, remember that the speeds in which aircraft fought in the 1930's and early 1940's were quite a bit slower than what air combat evolved in to even by 1943. A pair of MG's with the proper ammo is all that was needed for the aircraft of the 1930's in most cases.
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If its the same as what the KI-84 has in the cowl it will be fine. Great? No, but its a saddle up type plane anyway. Racking up multiple kills will take some work and staying on target long enough to do damage when theres a lot of cons around will require good SA, but its rounds don't bounce off :D
AMAX
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Concerning explosive rounds:
Aren't the US .50cal already modeled with the API round? So wouldn't the explosive round for the Ki-43 not make much difference in firepower anyway?
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Are there any advantages to the Mg 131, or is it just an inferior weapons system?
Lighter round, lower velocity, no ROF advantage. Seems like it kinda has nothing going for it.
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Nice plane but what's with the clothes line stretching from front to back? Is that so the pilot can hang his soiled undies out to dry?
Look, it comes with flowers.
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:aok
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So the wings really were that thick or not? :headscratch:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/ki43/ki43-4.jpg)
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So the wings really were that thick or not? :headscratch:
Not. Looks like it needs fixing.
The vast majority of aces in the IJAF became so flying the Ki-43. It was the primary fighter of the IJAF for almost the entire war and shot down more Allied planes than any other Japanese fighter. Not having the Ki-43 in Japanese plane set would be like not having the P-51 for the US plane set. It's not a wasteful wish, it plugs a serious hole in the Japanese plane set and for scenarios/FSO/AvA.
Here's the problem: Most IJAF aces made "ace" on the Ki-43-I, because it served from 1939 at the start of hostilities. The Ki-43-II only became active in 1943, and it was already being phased out by 1944. The -I had 3 years with which to rack up kills. Problem is the -I had a 2-blade prop and 975hp while the -II had 3-blade and 1105hp. The -I had less speed, less climb, and less overall performance than the -II had. As far as FSOs and scenarios, we already have 1943 MORE than covered. We've got all the major zekes, the Ki's (Ki-83 physically replaced Ki-43 on all but one plant's production lines, eventually). The reason we need the Ki-43 is for early war.
This isn't an early war Ki-43. So, we STILL don't have that P-51 so-to-speak. At least, in those screenshots and by HTC's description (using the -II in the title). Here's hoping they add the sorely-needed Ki-43-I.
EDIT: Oops, I got my start dates mixed up. The -I wasn't flying since 1939. It was late 1941 apparently.
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Do the various versions all look basically the same physically or no? If so, maybe getting a -I version wouldn't take too long from a modelling standpoint. Of course, all the coad would be needed. That would take a bit.
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No, they had noticable cowling redesign to fit a larger engine. The cockpit was placed higher for better visibility. The wing was shorter for better speed at lower alts. There were many noticable changes. Not the least of which was a 2-stage supercharged engine that gave +20mph over the previous version.
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Thankee for the info.
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock
:rofl :aok
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock
EXACTLY! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!
FINALLY!!!
Awesome HTC!
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The Ki-43-II only became active in 1943, and it was already being phased out by 1944. The -I had 3 years with which to rack up kills. Problem is the -I had a 2-blade prop and 975hp while the -II had 3-blade and 1105hp. The -I had less speed, less climb, and less overall performance than the -II had. As far as FSOs and scenarios, we already have 1943 MORE than covered. We've got all the major zekes, the Ki's (Ki-83 physically replaced Ki-43 on all but one plant's production lines, eventually). The reason we need the Ki-43 is for early war.
Ki-43-II will be very very welcome addition for Events. Both IJAAF fighters currently in the game are 1944 aircraft. Ki-43-II first entered production in November 1942 and was the back bone of the IJAAF throughout 1943. Therefore it covers a year -size hole in the IJAAF fighters of AH. To get IJAAF plane set more viable during the mid-war period, earlier variants of the Ki-61 are also very welcome.
I think it could carry two 250kg bombs, but I am not certain of that.
Yep, 2x250kg bombs for Ki-43-II.
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Are there any advantages to the Mg 131, or is it just an inferior weapons system?
Lighter round, lower velocity, no ROF advantage. Seems like it kinda has nothing going for it.
Weight:
MG131 13mm: 37lbs
Berezin UBS 12.7mm: 47.4lbs
Ho-103 12.7mm: 50.7lbs
Browning AN/M2 12.7mm: 61lbs
Breda-SAFAT 12.7mm: 64lbs
Type 3 13.2mm: 68lbs
(I had trouble finding the weight for the Browning AN/M2 .50 and I suspect that may be erring on the light side)
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Are there any advantages to the Mg 131, or is it just an inferior weapons system?
Lighter round, lower velocity, no ROF advantage. Seems like it kinda has nothing going for it.
Keep it in perspective. When directly comparing it to the other 1/2 in calibers it may be on the lower end of the totem pole in terms of velocity, trajectory, and rate of fire, but the German 13mm it still is launching a 590gr slug at 2320 fps (vs the US .50 cal = 705gr @ 2800 fps). It can still shred an aircraft easily enough. When I'm in German aircraft armed with a pair of them in the nose I will use them only against thin skinned gv's with very good results. The rate of fire is right on par with the US .50 cal as well, regardless if the 13mm is mounted in wings or cowling (various sources put both the US aircraft version of the M2 and the German MG131 @ 800 to 900 rpm).
It is like comparing getting hit by Mike Tyson or Evander Holyfield. :D
The other thing we don't know exactly is how HTC has the damage modeled. Those of us who have been around and studied firearms, military weapons theories, etc, are all too familiar with the 5.56 NATO vs 7.62 NATO vs 7.62x39 Soviet vs 6.8 SPC, etc, and the debates of "which is better/best". No matter how it is looked at the wee little 5.56 NATO produces the most violent and horrific wound channels, yet appears to lag behind in penetration capabilities especially at extended ranges. The 7.62 NATO is the "best" in terms of long range penetration and down range accuracy, but the wound channels are much "cleaner" at any range. A single US .50 cal may do more damage to a house per round, but vs an aircraft there may be more "transfer" from the German 13mm to the aircraft than the US .50 cal. It is hard telling. I tend to group the weapons in to the same category and keep that mindset when using them (.30 cals; .50 cals; 20mm's; 30-50mm's; etc).
In short, do not discount the German 13mm. It can and does get the job done just fine. :aok
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Are there any advantages to the Mg 131, or is it just an inferior weapons system?
Size. The MG 131 was weapon smaller and much lighter than the M2 Browning. It often could fit in places previously occupied by a 7.92mm MG, where a weapon of the size of the venerable .50 cal would have not.
It's similar as with MG 151/20 vs Hispano, or why the MK 108 was one of the most compact guns of it's class (and much more used than the ballisitically superior MK 101/103).
Those smaller weapons where actually very efficient.
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I recall going RTB in an Fw190D-9 once long ago because my cannons had run dry. As I neared my base I encountered a solitary B-26B inbound to bomb my base. I destroyed the B-26B in a single pass with the MG131 13mm guns.
In another case I was attempting to get a kill in every unit in the game at the time in a single tour and when I was doing the C.202 my kill ended up being a B-17G, the kill of which I survived.
In another case I had run out of 20mm cannon ammo in a Ki-84 when I was presented with a lower Hurricane Mk IIc. I was able to BnZ the Hurricane down with the 12.7mm Ho-103s and still had enough left in them to down a C-47 I encountered on the way home. If I'd been in a Ki-43 the Hurricane Mk IIc would have been a lot easier to kill as I wouldn't have had to do anything other than park on his six.
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Thank you HTC.
It looks awesome.
I am in shock.
I am very, very, very happy about this addition.
Thanks again HTC :salute
:aok +1
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Ki-43-II will be very very welcome addition for Events. Both IJAAF fighters currently in the game are 1944 aircraft. Ki-43-II first entered production in November 1942 and was the back bone of the IJAAF throughout 1943. Therefore it covers a year -size hole in the IJAAF fighters of AH. To get IJAAF plane set more viable during the mid-war period, earlier variants of the Ki-61 are also very welcome.
The A6Ms were also used on many land bases. The Ki-61 was in service in 1943. Yes, the Ki-43-II is welcome, but there isn't some massive hole in the planeset for the 1943 era, as you suggest. The massive hole in the planeset is for the earlier years. It's like getting an f6f-3 when we really need an f4f-3.
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I think the most important question to ask...... How pritty will it burn :x
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I recall going RTB in an Fw190D-9 once long ago because my cannons had run dry. As I neared my base I encountered a solitary B-26B inbound to bomb my base. I destroyed the B-26B in a single pass with the MG131 13mm guns.
In another case I was attempting to get a kill in every unit in the game at the time in a single tour and when I was doing the C.202 my kill ended up being a B-17G, the kill of which I survived.
In another case I had run out of 20mm cannon ammo in a Ki-84 when I was presented with a lower Hurricane Mk IIc. I was able to BnZ the Hurricane down with the 12.7mm Ho-103s and still had enough left in them to down a C-47 I encountered on the way home. If I'd been in a Ki-43 the Hurricane Mk IIc would have been a lot easier to kill as I wouldn't have had to do anything other than park on his six.
I was RTB once with no cannon and 14 rounds of MG......a 47 came from the nme field so i am guessing he just rolled and jumped me......14 rounds......one squeeze of the trigger and he died.....the luckiest pilot hit ever in the history of AH :rofl
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I killed two B17 with only the .50cals on the Yak9U's hood by HOing into the cockpit from 50yds. I used up the 20mm killing the first one from behind. I think I had about 100 rounds between the two guns when I discovered HOing the cockpit. I had 25 on the last HO. Only takes one when you are shooting the pilot.
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The A6Ms were also used on many land bases. The Ki-61 was in service in 1943. Yes, the Ki-43-II is welcome, but there isn't some massive hole in the planeset for the 1943 era, as you suggest. The massive hole in the planeset is for the earlier years. It's like getting an f6f-3 when we really need an f4f-3.
Certainly A6M's operated from land bases, A6M2 did aswell. But to get events which are based on JAAF involvement Ki-43-II is a must. The Ki-61 AH has went to production in January 1944. I very much welcome Ki-43-I and hope it is coming but as far as JAAF goes, Ki-43-II gives a full year additional involvement. Just like I said, both JAAF fighter until now are from 1944.
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I thought most Ki-43's were equiped with .30 cals...
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I thought most Ki-43's were equiped with .30 cals...
Actually by numbers, most Ki-43's were not armed with 2 x 7.7mm.
Most Ki-43's would fall into the mixed (1 x 7.7mm w/ 1 x 12.7mm) or the twin .50's category.
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1. How many rounds of ammo did they carry?
2. Can they handle dives well?
Sounds like a perfect perk farmer in CV battles.
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Actually by numbers, most Ki-43's were not armed with 2 x 7.7mm.
Most Ki-43's would fall into the mixed (1 x 7.7mm w/ 1 x 12.7mm) or the twin .50's category.
Yup, that's it! Thank you. I just tried catching up in this thread and realised a majority of its focus has turned to the .50s.
I cant wait to see a Ki-43 and 410 go at it after this plane is released. :D
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500 RPG for the .30's
250 RPG for the .50's
I imagine it will dive similar to the Zeke's.
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Sounds like a perfect perk farmer in CV battles.
It is not a carrier plane. Any Japanese aircraft with a name starting as "Ki-" is an army aircraft.
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I'm probabley mistaken, I know very little compared to others on IJ aviation, but I believe the one thing it could do better than a zeke (at comparable times of production) was dive....
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The -II can handle dives much better then the -I's
-I's had the reputation of wings folding at higher speeds and while pulling out of dives, it was corrected with later versions tho.
edit: Also many allied pilots flying p40's could simply nose dive and out run the early KI's. This was mostly due to how light and under powered the Ki was, it had a hard time even PULLING itself out of the air and down to the ground. If anything this will be a plane you probably wont want to turn or try to out climb, unless your in some late war 109 or somethin'.
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It is not a carrier plane. Any Japanese aircraft with a name starting as "Ki-" is an army aircraft.
I meant when a CV parks off the shore. :neener:
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If I remember correctly, the Ki-43's had a lower max dive speed than there respective Zeke counterparts.
I'll double check and see if I can post the source.....but Wmaker will probably beat me to it. That's ok because he is always spot on with that stuff.
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Certainly A6M's operated from land bases, A6M2 did aswell. But to get events which are based on JAAF involvement Ki-43-II is a must. The Ki-61 AH has went to production in January 1944. I very much welcome Ki-43-I and hope it is coming but as far as JAAF goes, Ki-43-II gives a full year additional involvement. Just like I said, both JAAF fighter until now are from 1944.
I think you're nitpicking (just a little) based on the weapons loadout of our Ki-61. I would suggest, in fact, that our Ki-61 is much more like the Hei version armed with MG151/20s because of the rate of fire of the guns and what we have in-game, only the Hei's were in the wings and ours are in the nose. These were built in conjuntion with the Otsu on the same production lines and kits were sent out to units in the field to replace 7mm and 12.7mm wing guns with the MG151/20 guns. This was in 1943. Would I love to see the earlier versions of Ki-61s added to this game? Yes! However, until then they still fill in for a 1943 planeset well enough.
Just wanted to add this counter-point to the quoted comment.
I do hope HTC realizes the importance of a -I variant as well.
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I was RTB once with no cannon and 14 rounds of MG......a 47 came from the nme field so i am guessing he just rolled and jumped me......14 rounds......one squeeze of the trigger and he died.....the luckiest pilot hit ever in the history of AH :rofl
Wrong :D, I was in a Spit 8 in a furball, and a Spit 16 crossed my path, I fired one half second burst of 20mm and 303's, you know, only 10 rounds of 20mm, 30 rounds of 303
anyway
I stopped shooting instantly because I thought I would miss.....
1 20mm.... ONE hit sprite.
Cockpit shot , kill, 600 yards.
:O no way
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Wrong :D, I was in a Spit 8 in a furball, and a Spit 16 crossed my path, I fired one half second burst of 20mm and 303's, you know, only 10 rounds of 20mm, 30 rounds of 303
anyway
I stopped shooting instantly because I thought I would miss.....
1 20mm.... ONE hit sprite.
Cockpit shot , kill, 600 yards.
:O no way
haha the 47 was much closer then that....but cmon 14 MG's (I was in KI84)is gotta be less power then 1 20 :headscratch:
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YES!!!!
My favorite plane to fly in "Pacific Fighters."
I can't wait to hear the brewster guys whine about the Ki-43 being overmodeled...lol :salute WMAKER!
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Was reading a bit on the pilot that flew the default skin. Apparently he lost a leg fighting a Mustang and was also tasked with learning a captured Mustang. Flew with an artificial leg.
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I think you're nitpicking (just a little) based on the weapons loadout of our Ki-61. I would suggest, in fact, that our Ki-61 is much more like the Hei version armed with MG151/20s because of the rate of fire of the guns and what we have in-game, only the Hei's were in the wings and ours are in the nose. These were built in conjuntion with the Otsu on the same production lines and kits were sent out to units in the field to replace 7mm and 12.7mm wing guns with the MG151/20 guns. This was in 1943. Would I love to see the earlier versions of Ki-61s added to this game? Yes! However, until then they still fill in for a 1943 planeset well enough.
Just wanted to add this counter-point to the quoted comment.
I do hope HTC realizes the importance of a -I variant as well.
Not based on a weapon load out. It is a 1944 variant, simple as that (weight is significantly different for example). Ki-61-Tei wasn't built in conjunction with the Otsu. It is its own significantly different variant that went to production in January 1944. What is nitpicking is saying how Ki-43-I is more important than -II when both are just as needed.
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I can't wait to hear the brewster guys whine about the Ki-43 being overmodeled...lol :salute WMAKER!
You won't hear me whine considering that I've waited 10 years for the Ki-43 to be included. :) But yes, Ki-43 will be poison for Brewster even without any modelling errors... ;)
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This may be splitting hairs but i'd like to see this variant appear too :pray
it's pretty significant enough that this variant is ~20 mph faster (see exhaust stacks)
(http://images.nipponcinema.com/tag/for-those-we-love.jpg?v=1330762804)
(http://planetaua.net/uploads/posts/2011-07/1310847657_b4174b393d1d1b2888b6be8e4e756b3c.png)
Great pictures~ pretty grim with the cherry blossoms in the cockpit, is this a kamakazi flight?
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Great pictures~ pretty grim with the cherry blossoms in the cockpit, is this a kamakazi flight?
The second picture is from a controversial 2007 Japanese film the title of which translates to: 'For Those We Love'. You should watch it.
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I'll have to watch that one~ I couldn't figure out the high res color picture. Thanks
~Seadog36
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I still wish they will model Ki-43-III for LMA too... :)
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+1 for the Oscar :aok
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wow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-eBmnpCO18&feature=related
Yall should watch this, he is making some interesting statements on how the (early) ki-43 was to fly,how it handles and even how it vibrated highly at higher speeds making aiming even more hard.
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wow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-eBmnpCO18&feature=related
Yall should watch this, he is making some interesting statements on how the (early) ki-43 was to fly,how it handles and even how it vibrated highly at higher speeds making aiming even more hard.
you said that right WOW
:salute Yohei HInoki
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Yohei Hinoki :salute
He loved Ki-43, and Ki-100 in the war. :salute
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But, I think HTC selected most difficult version in Ki43.
because,Ki43-II have some minor version.
I showed it in forum "Ki-43 service dates?"of"Aircraft and Vehicles".
if you want know Ki43, plz check.
(notice, Version name was attached Aero detail's name"http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/biblio/series/aero_detail/ad29.jpg"
.IJA did'nt use such name.)
and Ki43-II's Max speed is diffelent each minor versions.
I think , HTC should select Ki-43III, because Ki43-III don't have many minor versions.
(it's only Ki-43IIIotsu, having 2 Ho-5 20mm , is prototype.but Ki-43IIIkou was build over 1000.)
may be, this info is first info of many people not speak japanese, i think.
and I'm worried that many people don't believe my info, because Book in English side is not have such info.
But Japanse Book and Original IJA's resource have these info.
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Pkun, I understand what you are saying. The problem is that HTC's resources aren't unlimited. IMO Ki-43-II was a better choice of variant than the Ki-43-III if it is only variant for now that's coming. Considering that the -II is by far the most produced variant and saw service the longest. It is true that based on the 3D-model it seems to be a late production version of the -II. I don't think that's a problem in itself. Of course in the perfect world there could be 4-5 different variants added but I don't think that is realistic.
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Cool Japanese war-time movie scene featuring Ki-43-II.
http://youtu.be/1BXo-jWcGnw (http://youtu.be/1BXo-jWcGnw)
"Kato hayabusa sento-tai " (1944)
Given the technology at the time and the overall era, I think it is very good.
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you said that right WOW
:salute Yohei HInoki
Based partly on the Oscar pilot's testimony, the plane was light, weak, agile, and not forgiving. At high speeds (X speed), it started to shake. I'm guessing that does not quite mean compressing though???
He also mentioned once the wings were clipped (roll rate and less stress on wings = "more strength"), and cannon were added that it became a much better plane.
Very good read, that is the type of testimony I hope HTC pays attention to when able. Anyone ever look up testimony for the F2A's? :D
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He seemed to feel the -II was a vast improvement on the -I with his attitude about it being very different. It sounds like there were not just specification changes, but also quality control improvements.
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He seemed to feel the -II was a vast improvement on the -I with his attitude about it being very different. It sounds like there were not just specification changes, but also quality control improvements.
Yep. The weak part was in regards of the -I.
It isn't surprising considering the huge amount of weight that -II gained over the -I. Ki-43-II's normal take-off weight is ~1200lbs (!!) higher. Ki-43-I was truly without a compromise in terms of wing loading. It doesn't get any lower than that as far as retractable gear monoplane fighters of WWII are concerned (93.1kg/sqm).
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What is that, like 18-20 lbs/sqft?
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What is that, like 18-20 lbs/sqft?
19.045lbs/sq.ft.
Good estimate.
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This table puts the weight of the Ki-43-I in perspective:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Zeke-Oscar_zps27ae2dc0.jpg)
Ki-43-I's wing loading is close to a modern monoplane aerobatic aircraft. Ki-43-II is closer to the A6M-line but unlike Zeros, it has effective combat flaps.
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Based partly on the Oscar pilot's testimony, the plane was light, weak, agile, and not forgiving. At high speeds (X speed), it started to shake. I'm guessing that does not quite mean compressing though???
He also mentioned once the wings were clipped (roll rate and less stress on wings = "more strength"), and cannon were added that it became a much better plane.
Very good read, that is the type of testimony I hope HTC pays attention to when able. Anyone ever look up testimony for the F2A's? :D
From what i could understand, the shaking is more due to over speeding. Because he mentioned "like the planes without retractable landing gear the ki-43 would start to shake violently at higher speeds" not quoted exactly, but...yea. I would assume this could also happen when in a higher speed dive, HOWEVER..it also could have been something with the rpm of the engine.
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From what i could understand, the shaking is more due to over speeding. Because he mentioned "like the planes without retractable landing gear the ki-43 would start to shake violently at higher speeds" not quoted exactly, but...yea. I would assume this could also happen when in a higher speed dive, HOWEVER..it also could have beenData Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????f+~ f+~ 276704102MltCpy2.10 FILL FILLed Sector; ST500DM002-9YN14 (CC4H) S1D5GMZY Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????M3 I hear a lot of creaking and groaning of the airframe while doing typical maneuvers and the Zeke is supposed to be a more stout plane than the Oscar, yes?
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The Ki-43s in the video Perrine linked certainly do some pretty rapid flick rolls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS12isLjS5w
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From what i could understand, the shaking is more due to over speeding. Because he mentioned "like the planes without retractable landing gear the ki-43 would start to shake violently at higher speeds" not quoted exactly, but...yea. I would assume this could also happen when in a higher speed dive, HOWEVER..it also could have been something with the rpm of the engine.
The shaking is caused by high speed buffeting when the Ki-43 is approaching/exceeding its rated speed in a dive.
ack-ack
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The Ki-43s in the video Perrine linked certainly do some pretty rapid flick rolls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS12isLjS5w
Awesome song. Can I get a copy in FLAC format?
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Awesome song. Can I get a copy in FLAC format?
the source (vinyl?) must be very rare and was ripped using this machine (http://www.elpj.com/). It sounds very clean.
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the source (vinyl?) must be very rare and was ripped using this machine (http://www.elpj.com/). It sounds very clean.
yeah is sure sounded digital
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Thank you replay ,Wmaker.
I want to say,
may be ,HTC wiil meet some problems that dicede Ki43-II's performance.
I already wrote its reason.(Ki43-II's some minor version)
It's a easy that HTC decide Ki43-III's performance.
Because Ki-43III(kou) ,Max speed 555km/h ..amor protect ...self sealing tank, is known Europe side people.
I wrote performance of Ki43 on other Forum.
you could know, Ki43-II first model did'nt equip 250kg'bomb.
if HTC have some questions, may be AH's Ki43-II will not able to equip bombs,and will not equip amor protect.
because in USA, Europe, people know only this Ki43-II first version.
I have Worry its.
But I agree reason thar HTC decide realece of Ki43-II,
you wrote
"Considering that the -II is by far the most produced variant and saw service the longest. "
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I was suprised in here, ,some people wrote, Ki43-III was prototype.
In Japan, Ki43-III is known mass product type.(without Ki-43III-otsu)
and I could know, Ki43 is minor plane, and nobody have much infomation of ki43.
I was happy when I heard AH news.
and,I had worry.
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Pkun,
Yes, it seems quite evident based on what has been posted here that over 1000 Ki-43-III were built. It doesn't seem that many of the -III-Otsu were built or that any saw combat though.
I think it was only really Krusty who claimed that the Ki-43-III didn't see service, but that is simply because he seems to work on a very evidence heavy basis. You have to prove that they saw service, not just show the great likelyhood that they saw service for his standards to be met. He is this way about all aircraft, not just Japanese aircraft.
From a researcher's point of view it is very frustrating that so many Japanese records did not survive.
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Pkun,
I wouldn't worry too much. My guess is that HTC/Pyro is aware of the differences inside the Ki-43-II production. What might still of course help HTC is that if you sent the original sources of the data you posted to the Ki-43 service -thread to HTC. Personally I've looked at several Japanese publications on the Ki-43 but I have some trouble reading them. ;)
Regarding Ki-43-III. I've known all a long that -III was a mass produced type and saw service in several Sentais and at different locations (Burma, Philippines, Okinawa). Just like you stated, what was a prototype was the 20mm armed Ki-43-III (two built). Ki-43-III would definitely deserve its place in the game considering the overall historical significance of the Ki-43.
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How long 2 weeks :rofl
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How long 2 weeks :rofl
Normally :lol
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Wrong :D, I was in a Spit 8 in a furball, and a Spit 16 crossed my path, I fired one half second burst of 20mm and 303's, you know, only 10 rounds of 20mm, 30 rounds of 303
anyway
I stopped shooting instantly because I thought I would miss.....
1 20mm.... ONE hit sprite.
Cockpit shot , kill, 600 yards.
:O no way
Hahahah n00b! :)
La5FN, 90 degree angle deflection shot on 800mph C205 that was diving, he was crossing high left to low right.... he went under my nose so I kicked right rudder and rolled hard right and fired almost inverted about 10 plane lengths in front of him..... saw a single 20mm sprite right behind cockpit.... *POOF*
Luckiest shot I ever made LOL!
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Ki-43III production version. Was that the one with 2 - 20mm Ho5, 60 rounds per gun in the cowling?
Suppose we could get the feel for it by dueling P51D, P47, F4U and F6f with a spit5 and only fire the cannons. Yak9u only has 120 20mm. If HiTech were willing, the Ki-43III would make a nice replacement for the lost Leviathin spit5 in the DA and MA furballs. Bet you would see INK in one just for the challenge.
If the production numbers realy are 1000, it's got the Ta152, 163 and spit14 beat for fufilling the requirments to get in this game. But, as Pkun has made reference to Western historians not knowing much about the 43III. Western sources give this kind of production numbers to cover the 43II & III.
2629 Ki-43-II & Ki-43-IIIa production aircraft (May 1943-Aug 1945)
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Bustr,
No, the Ki-43-III would be armed with two 12.7mm machine guns. The 20mm cannon version never saw combat, and only two or so were built.
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If the production numbers realy are 1000, it's got the Ta152, 163 and spit14 beat for fufilling the requirments to get in this game. But, as Pkun has made reference to Western historians not knowing much about the 43III. Western sources give this kind of production numbers to cover the 43II & III.
2629 Ki-43-II & Ki-43-IIIa production aircraft (May 1943-Aug 1945)
Aero Detail #29 (Japanese publication) where those cowl drawings which pkun posted are from gives a significant figure of 1727 Ki-43-IIIs produced (s/n 7001-8727).
Subtracting those IIIs from the combined II/III production of Tachikawa Hikoki and adding rest of the -II production gives a figure of 3443 serial production Ki-43-IIs built (based on Francillon's data).
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So which is it? Pkun's numbers known in Japan and the EU, or karnak's numbers......
Pkun, do you have a source document that can be shared in this POST?
Even I'm confused on the differences other than the engine then.
Ki-43II
Ki-43III
What are the differences if 1000 43III were produced?
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OK now I'm up to speed found Pkun's other posting.
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I Explain Ki43.
Ki43-I
Released:1941 Apr
Engine:Ha-25 940hp
MaxSpeed:495km/h
Arm:Mostly Ho-103 12.7mm x1 type89 7.7mm x1
Few type89 7.7x2 or Ho-103 12.7mmx2
with
self sealing tank(By felt).
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-I.jpg
Ki43-II Early
Released:1942 Nov
Engine:Ha-115 1100hp
MaxSpeed:515km/h
Arm:Mostly Ho-103 12.7mm x2
with
self sealing tank(By felt).
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-IIa.jpg
Ki43-II Late(AH Ver?)
Released:1943 Aug
Engine:Ha-115 1100hp
MaxSpeed:536km/h
Arm:Ho-103 12.7mm x2
with
self sealing tank(By Rubber).
armor protection(13mm) on seat.
ejector exhaust stack(gather type)
possible carry 250kg bomb Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????-~ -~ 276704515MltCpy2.10 FILL FILLed Sector; ST500DM002-9YN14 (CC4H) S1D5GMZY Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????Data Recovery Labs??????????????eed:555km/h
Arm:Ho-103 12.7mm x2
with
self sealing tank(By Rubber).
armor protection(13mm) on seat.
ejector exhaust stacks
possible carry 250kg bomb x2
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-IIIb.jpg
But picture is Ki43-IIIOtsu(You can find Ho-5 20mm x2, by bulge Back Engine cowl)
Notice:
Ki43-III(kou) is not Prototype, It joined to war, and used by 64Sq and other sq.
Ki43-III(Otsu) is Prototype.
and You can understand Ki43 subtype by this.
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-top1.jpg
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-top2.jpg
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Don't quote me for any numbers on the Ki-43-III. I just recalled that well more than 1000 were built from earlier threads, so putting 1000 down there was safe.
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Don't quote me for any numbers on the Ki-43-III. I just recalled that well more than 1000 were built from earlier threads, so putting 1000 down there was safe.
It will require some searching but a couple of years ago I posted the production numbers for the Ki-43 variants from a translated Japanese warbirds site (no longer around) as well as the units that fielded the Ki-43 in response to one of Krusty's posts.
ack-ack
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This article has no citations, but looks kosher:
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_nakajima_ki-43.html
This article is quite nice too. Probably posted earlier in the thread, but contains no definitive production numbers.
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/rdunn/nakajima_ki43arm.htm
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hi bustr.
My source is this Japanese Book.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/switch-language/product/4056041814/ref=dp_change_lang?ie=UTF8&language=en_JP
Sorry, I could not find this in Amazon.com.
But, May be this book is latest reserch Book for Ki43.
Ki-43III's nubmer,
May be ,Wmaker's number is exactry .
and sorry I can't check my book now,
because I can't access this forum in my home,
(I was burned.Why...may be I wrote in this board only 10 times?)
and I don't have it book now.(I'm in office now.)
Ki-43IIIkou(= Ki-43IIIa?) was produced over 1000. its excatry.
But, Ki-43IIIotsu(equip Ho-5 20mm x2)was build only 2, and did'nt join to battle.
difference between Ki43-IIIkou and Ki-43II final(IJA called Ki-43II ejector exhaust stacks type),
its ejector exhaust stacks's form and engine.
plz check this pic.
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-top2.jpg
(Ki-43II'engine, Ha-115 don't have water methanol injection.)
Ki-43II have some minor version,
minor version have diffrent each,
Ki43-II Early(IJA called Ki-43II exclusive tank use type)
Ki43-II Late(IJA called Ki-43II standard tank use type)
Ki43-II Finally(IJA called Ki-43II ejector exhaust stacks use type)
AH'sVersion Ki-43II is Ki-43II Late,
Max speed 536km/h,
Possible equip 250kgx2(its possible Left is Tank, Right is bomb. Many Ki43's Pilot wrote such situation, it is possible on Ki61, too.),
Equipe Amor Protecion(13mm) of back Sheet(somtimes ,pilot hate ammor of head back,and thay released)
self sealing tank(By Rubber).
ejector exhaust stack(gather form)
http://www.warbirds.jp/p-kun/other/ki43/ki43-II_1943.jpg
Plz admit, Ki-43 Late and after types have same level protection of Ki-84.
and,
Ki43 minor version were supply to frontline,
but When changed to Ki43-III from Ki-43II,(Ki43-II to Ki43-I ,too)
Sq had to return to Japan, like change to ki84 from Ki43.
I will check my book in my home again.
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Pkun,
Thank you very much.
As a boy I lived at Wakkanai. Japan is very beautiful. Hokkaido is a land from ancient times and very snowy in the winter. Mt. Rishiri was like a miniature fuji-san.
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Subtracting those IIIs from the combined II/III production of Tachikawa Hikoki and adding rest of the -II production gives a figure of 3443 serial production Ki-43-IIs built (based on Francillon's data).
Just wanted to add that there's a difference between the figures in Aero Detail and Francillon regarding the Ki-43-II production.
Aero Detail #29 lists the production as follows:
Total production (includes prototypes, pre-production)
Ki-43-I: 765
Ki-43-II: 3190
Ki-43-III: 1727 (as posted before)
This 253 unit difference in Ki-43-II numbers is in the Tachikawa's production between these sources. Doesn't really change the discussion to either way, just thought I'd mention it.
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Yohei Hinoki :salute
He loved Ki-43, and Ki-100 in the war. :salute
I'm wondering now if we'd see the Ki-100 show up perked or something.
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Can't wait to watch Ink/Jetsom wreck people with this.
That guy brings swagger to KI flying.
Video's (http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb426/Danny_Winters/post-402-1157723848_zps014f5fd8.gif) sir!
:)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb426/Danny_Winters/Bluberrysig_zps49aade92.gif)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb426/Danny_Winters/biggersig_zps0d43514d.png)
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I'm wondering now if we'd see the Ki-100 show up perked or something.
Why would it need to be perked?
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I'm wondering now if we'd see the Ki-100 show up perked or something.
Based on its performance numbers, I don't see any reason the Ki-100 should be perked when we get it.
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This old Japanese book may help you guys... ;)
http://content.wuala.com/contents/-aper-/AH/Nakajima_Ki-43_Fighter.pdf?dl=1
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Based on its performance numbers, I don't see any reason the Ki-100 should be perked when we get it.
Same here, can't imagine it being perked. I hope to see it one day though.
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Anybody put up the Rangoon video yet? Horrywood production with lots of actual footage in place (and some lego work). Ki43s actually in combat with P40 and Buffalo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BXo-jWcGnw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BXo-jWcGnw)
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From the Custom Skins forum:
BTW you will be able to skin any variant of the Ki-43 as currently there aren't any plans to introduce a I or III to AH.
Looks like the -II is what will be used across the board. That may make early CBI settings a bit nasty for the Allies.
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Im loving all these videos.
Also correct me if im wrong, but most of the III's were held on mainland japan awaiting the inevitable invasion?
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64th Sq used Ki-43III in Burma.
But ,50th Sq used Ki84 in Burma, when 64sq used ki-43III.
25th Sq used in China.
26th Sq used in Singapore.
54th Sq used in Shimushu iland.(north top of Kuril Islands)
of cource 33th Sq and other Sqs used Ki43-III used in Japan, too.
Also correct me if im wrong, but most of the III's were held on mainland japan awaiting the inevitable invasion?
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I introduce this page.
http://www.warbirds.jp/truth/ace.html
If you can read Japanese, you wiil be able to know how did Ace pilot think ki43-III.
His name is Ryotaro Jobo, claimed shot down B29 x2(unreliable 10) by Ki44-II(equip 40mm cannons)
he said,
"Ki43-III was strongest fighter in Japan."
"P38's arms and speed was great,But, I can't lose if I use Ki43."
Question:"if you fight against p51, which will you use?"
Ans:"I don't select Ki84, I select Ki43-III. I can't lose."
he liked Ki43-III very much....
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BTW you will be able to skin any variant of the Ki-43 as currently there aren't any plans to introduce a I or III to AH.
well thats a real downer.
thats like saying were not about to get japanese navy equivalent to historically significant early war a6m2 and late war a6m5... and were left with a6m3 instead.
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I introduce this page.
http://www.warbirds.jp/truth/ace.html
If you can read Japanese, you wiil be able to know how did Ace pilot think ki43-III.
His name is Ryotaro Jobo, claimed shot down B29 x2(unreliable 10) by Ki44-II(equip 40mm cannons)
he said,
"Ki43-III was strongest fighter in Japan."
"P38's arms and speed was great,But, I can't lose if I use Ki43."
Question:"if you fight against p51, which will you use?"
Ans:"I don't select Ki84, I select Ki43-III. I can't lose."
he liked Ki43-III very much....
In a one on one combat, as is demonstrated frequently in AH, agility is frequently more important than speed. With good pilots all a P-51D can do against a Ki-84 is disengage, ceding control of that chunk of air to the Ki-84 pilot. When it becomes many on many it changes and speed itself becomes a tool to kill.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if one on one a Ki-43-III would usually beat a Ki-84-I, but in a twelve on twelve I bet the Ki-84's would slaughter the Ki-43-IIIs, if they used appropriate tactics.
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And there are US pilots that claimed the P-39 was the best fighter of the war, even after they moved on to P-51s, P-38s, P-47s, etc. One Japanese aces saying the Ki-43 was the best plane in the fight in 1945 is rather ludicrous. He might have thought it was best because it was most reliable. It's engine actually made full power (not something Japanese pilots could rely on), and that it didn't crash on takeoff, etc...
Just saying, there's a lot of reasons for him to say what he did. That it was "the best" isn't the only answer.
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I understand Krusty.
and This Ryotaro's interview was recorded at 2001.
He still alive in nagoya, and he already got many years.
may be he was about over 80 yeas old in this interview.
I think old man want to say such good memory.
(But Yohei hinoki's interview was recorded at 1981.he was not get much old.)
and it's exactly ,he have good impression for Ki43-III, and KI-43III was not bad fighter.
He said in this interview."Ki43-III's Engine was reliable.I could control throttle like wildly"
it is same , Krust wrote it.
and I tell fighters he used.
he used Ki-27(Battles of Khalkhin Gol) Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-84.
and he heard just a gossip of Ki100(like, Ki-100 is good plane.)
I think gossip of Ki-100 was told widely.
and he rode ki-84,but didn't join fight in Ki-84.
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Been waiting for Ki43 in AH for like........14 years.
Only thing missing from this update is new graphics for the B-26 and Yaks.
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Been waiting for Ki43 in AH for like........14 years.
Only thing missing from this update is new graphics for the B-26 and Yaks.
Check the front page again.
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Been waiting for Ki43 in AH for like........14 years.
Only thing missing from this update is new graphics for the B-26 and Yaks.
Finally we got it. :) BTW I'm waiting Ki-100 from early beta too.
I wish that they will add it with present awesome 3D model. :)
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Check the front page again.
Why would you post this? There is nothing on the front page that has anything to do with the B-26 or the Yak. :rolleyes:
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Why would you post this? There is nothing on the front page that has anything to do with the B-26 or the Yak. :rolleyes:
Because I'm just mean like that :a hand.