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Offline SmokinLoon

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #90 on: March 08, 2013, 09:27:42 AM »
Are there any advantages to the Mg 131, or is it just an inferior weapons system?

Lighter round, lower velocity, no ROF advantage. Seems like it kinda has nothing going for it.

Keep it in perspective.  When directly comparing it to the other 1/2 in calibers it may be on the lower end of the totem pole in terms of velocity, trajectory, and rate of fire, but the German 13mm it still is launching a 590gr slug at 2320 fps (vs the US .50 cal = 705gr @ 2800 fps).  It can still shred an aircraft easily enough.  When I'm in German aircraft armed with a pair of them in the nose I will use them only against thin skinned gv's with very good results.  The rate of fire is right on par with the US .50 cal as well, regardless if the 13mm is mounted in wings or cowling (various sources put both the US aircraft version of the M2 and the German MG131 @ 800 to 900 rpm). 

It is like comparing getting hit by Mike Tyson or Evander Holyfield.   :D   

The other thing we don't know exactly is how HTC has the damage modeled.  Those of us who have been around and studied firearms, military weapons theories, etc, are all too familiar with the 5.56 NATO vs 7.62 NATO vs 7.62x39 Soviet vs 6.8 SPC, etc, and the debates of "which is better/best".  No matter how it is looked at the wee little 5.56 NATO produces the most violent and horrific wound channels, yet appears to lag behind in penetration capabilities especially at extended ranges.  The 7.62 NATO is the "best" in terms of long range penetration and down range accuracy, but the wound channels are much "cleaner" at any range.  A single US .50 cal may do more damage to a house per round, but vs an aircraft there may be more "transfer" from the German 13mm to the aircraft than the US .50 cal.  It is hard telling.  I tend to group the weapons in to the same category and keep that mindset when using them (.30 cals; .50 cals; 20mm's; 30-50mm's; etc).

In short, do not discount the German 13mm.  It can and does get the job done just fine.   :aok   
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #91 on: March 08, 2013, 09:42:19 AM »
Are there any advantages to the Mg 131, or is it just an inferior weapons system?

Size. The MG 131 was weapon smaller and much lighter than the M2 Browning. It often could fit in places previously occupied by a 7.92mm MG, where a weapon of the size of the venerable .50 cal would have not.
It's similar as with MG 151/20 vs Hispano, or why the MK 108 was one of the most compact guns of it's class (and much more used than the ballisitically superior MK 101/103).

Those smaller weapons where actually very efficient.
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« Reply #92 on: March 08, 2013, 10:00:10 AM »
I recall going RTB in an Fw190D-9 once long ago because my cannons had run dry.  As I neared my base I encountered a solitary B-26B inbound to bomb my base.  I destroyed the B-26B in a single pass with the MG131 13mm guns.

In another case I was attempting to get a kill in every unit in the game at the time in a single tour and when I was doing the C.202 my kill ended up being a B-17G, the kill of which I survived.

In another case I had run out of 20mm cannon ammo in a Ki-84 when I was presented with a lower Hurricane Mk IIc.  I was able to BnZ the Hurricane down with the 12.7mm Ho-103s and still had enough left in them to down a C-47 I encountered on the way home.  If I'd been in a Ki-43 the Hurricane Mk IIc would have been a lot easier to kill as I wouldn't have had to do anything other than park on his six.
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #93 on: March 08, 2013, 12:31:27 PM »
Thank you HTC.

It looks awesome.

I am in shock.


I am very, very, very happy about this addition.


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« Reply #94 on: March 08, 2013, 02:22:41 PM »
Ki-43-II will be very very welcome addition for Events. Both IJAAF fighters currently in the game are 1944 aircraft. Ki-43-II first entered production in November 1942 and was the back bone of the IJAAF throughout 1943. Therefore it covers a year -size hole in the IJAAF fighters of AH. To get IJAAF plane set more viable during the mid-war period, earlier variants of the Ki-61 are also very welcome.

The A6Ms were also used on many land bases. The Ki-61 was in service in 1943. Yes, the Ki-43-II is welcome, but there isn't some massive hole in the planeset for the 1943 era, as you suggest. The massive hole in the planeset is for the earlier years. It's like getting an f6f-3 when we really need an f4f-3.

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #95 on: March 08, 2013, 03:27:11 PM »

 I think the most important question to ask...... How pritty will it burn  :x


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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #96 on: March 08, 2013, 03:57:32 PM »
I recall going RTB in an Fw190D-9 once long ago because my cannons had run dry.  As I neared my base I encountered a solitary B-26B inbound to bomb my base.  I destroyed the B-26B in a single pass with the MG131 13mm guns.

In another case I was attempting to get a kill in every unit in the game at the time in a single tour and when I was doing the C.202 my kill ended up being a B-17G, the kill of which I survived.

In another case I had run out of 20mm cannon ammo in a Ki-84 when I was presented with a lower Hurricane Mk IIc.  I was able to BnZ the Hurricane down with the 12.7mm Ho-103s and still had enough left in them to down a C-47 I encountered on the way home.  If I'd been in a Ki-43 the Hurricane Mk IIc would have been a lot easier to kill as I wouldn't have had to do anything other than park on his six.

I was RTB once with no cannon and 14 rounds of MG......a 47 came from the nme field so i am guessing he just rolled and jumped me......14 rounds......one squeeze of the trigger and he died.....the luckiest pilot hit ever in the history of AH :rofl

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« Reply #97 on: March 08, 2013, 04:08:01 PM »
I killed two B17 with only the .50cals on the Yak9U's hood by HOing into the cockpit from 50yds. I used up the 20mm killing the first one from behind. I think I had about 100 rounds between the two guns when I discovered HOing the cockpit. I had 25 on the last HO. Only takes one when you are shooting the pilot.
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #98 on: March 08, 2013, 04:27:01 PM »
The A6Ms were also used on many land bases. The Ki-61 was in service in 1943. Yes, the Ki-43-II is welcome, but there isn't some massive hole in the planeset for the 1943 era, as you suggest. The massive hole in the planeset is for the earlier years. It's like getting an f6f-3 when we really need an f4f-3.

Certainly A6M's operated from land bases, A6M2 did aswell. But to get events which are based on JAAF involvement Ki-43-II is a must. The Ki-61 AH has went to production in January 1944. I very much welcome Ki-43-I and hope it is coming but as far as JAAF goes, Ki-43-II gives a full year additional involvement. Just like I said, both JAAF fighter until now are from 1944.
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« Reply #99 on: March 08, 2013, 05:37:03 PM »
I thought most Ki-43's were equiped with .30 cals...
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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #100 on: March 08, 2013, 05:49:38 PM »
I thought most Ki-43's were equiped with .30 cals...

Actually by numbers, most Ki-43's were not armed with 2 x 7.7mm.

Most Ki-43's would fall into the mixed (1 x 7.7mm w/ 1 x 12.7mm) or the twin .50's category.


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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #101 on: March 08, 2013, 05:55:16 PM »
1. How many rounds of ammo did they carry?
2. Can they handle dives well?

Sounds like a perfect perk farmer in CV battles.

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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #102 on: March 08, 2013, 06:04:52 PM »
Actually by numbers, most Ki-43's were not armed with 2 x 7.7mm.

Most Ki-43's would fall into the mixed (1 x 7.7mm w/ 1 x 12.7mm) or the twin .50's category.




Yup, that's it!  Thank you.  I just tried catching up in this thread and realised a majority of its focus has turned to the .50s.

I cant wait to see a Ki-43 and 410 go at it after this plane is released.  :D
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« Reply #103 on: March 08, 2013, 06:05:42 PM »
500 RPG for the .30's

250 RPG for the .50's

I imagine it will dive similar to the Zeke's.


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Re: Ki-43 coming!
« Reply #104 on: March 08, 2013, 06:10:02 PM »
Sounds like a perfect perk farmer in CV battles.
It is not a carrier plane.  Any Japanese aircraft with a name starting as "Ki-" is an army aircraft.
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