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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Bino on April 08, 2013, 08:50:19 AM
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One year from today, Microsoft will terminate "Extended Support" for Windows XP.
Along with other services, security updates will not be available unless a "custom support relationship" has been negotiated.
Microsoft Support Lifecycle page about Windows XP: http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?c2=1173 (http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?c2=1173)
Microsoft Support Lifecycle Policy FAQ: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy (http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy)
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The "Extended Support" was only intended for commercial businesses. However, Microsoft still appears to be offering complete support to anyone with XP and SP3 until the above mentioned date.
Best grab Windows 7 while you still can.
By the way, Dell still offers Windows 7 on its laptops. Go figure.
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The "Extended Support" was only intended for commercial businesses. However, Microsoft still appears to be offering complete support to anyone with XP and SP3 until the above mentioned date.
Best grab Windows 7 while you still can.
By the way, Dell still offers Windows 7 on its laptops. Go figure.
Windows8 seems to have some issues with touchpad equipped laptops. It recognizes gestures meant for touch screen when you use the touchpad and this is not what most people want. Of course you can turn gestures off but it's enough to cause deep whine on user base.
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Best grab Windows 7 while you still can.
By the way, Dell still offers Windows 7 on its laptops. Go figure.
NewEgg was offering free downgrades to W7 with their computers.
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One year from today, Microsoft will terminate "Extended Support" for Windows XP.
Along with other services, security updates will not be available unless a "custom support relationship" has been negotiated.
Microsoft Support Lifecycle page about Windows XP: http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?c2=1173 (http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?c2=1173)
Microsoft Support Lifecycle Policy FAQ: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy (http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy)
Windows 7 is superior imo.
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Windows8 seems to have some issues with touchpad equipped laptops. It recognizes gestures meant for touch screen when you use the touchpad and this is not what most people want. Of course you can turn gestures off but it's enough to cause deep whine on user base.
That's not the reason Dell is selling machines with Win7
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Best grab Windows 7 while you still can.
:confused: I just switched from Win98 SE to XP five years ago. Think I'll just wait for Windows 9... or 10... or 11.
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That's not the reason Dell is selling machines with Win7
Yeah business users are the reason. I just pointed out one possible downfall on using Win8 on a laptop. Speed and functionality wise it's equal or superior to Win7.
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Whats wrong with you people?
Windows 8 is basically 7 with added security and metro...
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Why do we have to make a religion out of the difference?
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Yeah business users are the reason. I just pointed out one possible downfall on using Win8 on a laptop. Speed and functionality wise it's equal or superior to Win7.
Except for the fact it has more problems than Windows 7 does, at the moment, and, in my opinion, it is more cumbersome to use for a desktop platform. Windows 8 also has more compatibility issues than Windows 7 does.
Now that Microsoft has released an update to Windows 7 to allow it to use the native Windows 8 drivers, the performance is nearly identical. So much so, it goes back and forth between the applications being run.
Microsoft also released an update to DirectX, on Windows 7, which gives it the same performance as Windows 8. Unfortunately, that update introduces the same problem Windows 8 has with dual video card systems implemented in laptops.
At this moment, Windows 7 is more stable, with fewer problems than Windows 8. Windows 7 also affords more privacy than Windows 8, although most people do not care about that.
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Except for the fact it has more problems than Windows 7 does, at the moment, and, in my opinion, it is more cumbersome to use for a desktop platform. Windows 8 also has more compatibility issues than Windows 7 does.
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At this moment, Windows 7 is more stable, with fewer problems than Windows 8. Windows 7 also affords more privacy than Windows 8, although most people do not care about that.
This has always been the case when a new OS version is introduced. It was so even with Windows XP - people used to hate it with passion in the first two years. But as time goes on you'll find support for the older OSes vanish, old versions will be more vulnerable to attacks and manufacturers stop supporting them.
With Win7 this is still many years ahead of course. But Win8 is still very finished product with far less problems than XP had on its initial release.
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This has always been the case when a new OS version is introduced. It was so even with Windows XP - people used to hate it with passion in the first two years. But as time goes on you'll find support for the older OSes vanish, old versions will be more vulnerable to attacks and manufacturers stop supporting them.
With Win7 this is still many years ahead of course. But Win8 is still very finished product with far less problems than XP had on its initial release.
If one has to resort to comparing Windows 8 to the original release of Windows XP in order to establish a baseline for stability, then there is nothing else left to say.
For what it is worth, I'll agree that Windows 8 is in better shape than Windows XP was when it was released. I certainly hope that does not make anyone feel better about Windows 8, considering Windows XP had over 65,000 documented bugs/issues when it was released.
I am certain the issues with Windows 8 will be addressed, eventually. That is how it is with Microsoft. As it stands, at this moment, Windows 7 is the better operating system, overall.
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If one has to resort to comparing Windows 8 to the original release of Windows XP in order to establish a baseline for stability, then there is nothing else left to say.
For what it is worth, I'll agree that Windows 8 is in better shape than Windows XP was when it was released. I certainly hope that does not make anyone feel better about Windows 8, considering Windows XP had over 65,000 documented bugs/issues when it was released.
I am certain the issues with Windows 8 will be addressed, eventually. That is how it is with Microsoft. As it stands, at this moment, Windows 7 is the better operating system, overall.
Resort? I was comparing Win8 to the pet toy of yours and many others here. XP has been the benchmark Vista was compared to. Windows 7 is nothing but a service pack to Vista.
Win7 may be more compatible operating system at the moment but overall Windows 8 contains technological advancements such as a rewritten kernel which make it clearly superior to Win7. If Windows8 would have been shipped without the change in the interface everyone would be smitten over it by now.
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I have yet to find anything from Microsoft that states the kernel for Windows 8 has been rewritten. As I look at the kernel modules, I see a lot of commonality with Windows 7 and its predecessors. I see new API's, and old API's. I see the memory management has not changed from Windows 7 64 bit either.
Mind sharing a Microsoft link where they state it is a rewrite? I cannot find one and I would like to read about it. I see a lot of guesses about it on the Internet, but nothing from Microsoft.
Regardless, there is also nothing that states a rewrite would be of any benefit anyway. It is just your opinion that it is better, which flies in the face of facts. It is still buggier than Windows 7 and that is a fact.
By the way, Windows XP is not my "pet toy". Microsoft created it. I, and a few million others, used it. My home computer is running Windows 7, and my work computer is getting ready to run Windows 7. I go with what does the job the best. Right now, that is Windows 7.
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I have yet to find anything from Microsoft that states the kernel for Windows 8 has been rewritten. As I look at the kernel modules, I see a lot of commonality with Windows 7 and its predecessors. I see new API's, and old API's. I see the memory management has not changed from Windows 7 64 bit either.
Mind sharing a Microsoft link where they state it is a rewrite? I cannot find one and I would like to read about it. I see a lot of guesses about it on the Internet, but nothing from Microsoft.
Regardless, there is also nothing that states a rewrite would be of any benefit anyway. It is just your opinion that it is better, which flies in the face of facts. It is still buggier than Windows 7 and that is a fact.
By the way, Windows XP is not my "pet toy". Microsoft created it. I, and a few million others, used it. My home computer is running Windows 7, and my work computer is getting ready to run Windows 7. I go with what does the job the best. Right now, that is Windows 7.
Oh come on, you posted multiple posts on this UBB on how you were sticking to your tweaked XP long after Win7 was already established on the market. And there's nothing wrong with that, XP was a great OS especially if you overlook the security problems.
Here's one example of changes made in Win8: http://cloud.dzone.com/articles/windows-kernel-dev-discusses
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Oh come on, you posted multiple posts on this UBB on how you were sticking to your tweaked XP long after Win7 was already established on the market. And there's nothing wrong with that, XP was a great OS especially if you overlook the security problems.
Here's one example of changes made in Win8: http://cloud.dzone.com/articles/windows-kernel-dev-discusses
I did stick with XP until Windows 7 got stable enough to be useful to me. Being useful to me means a number of things. Stability being achieved. The initial release of Window 7 had severe compatibility and stability problems which finally got addressed. Learning the architecture so that it could be manipulated to fit my needs took some time as well. That said, Windows 7 will be the last Microsoft OS I will ever have.
I am turning my focus towards Linux now and pitching in to help with some applications I need, in order to remove Windows from my systems, at home.
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I once heard a rule of the thumb - never buy a Microsoft OS unless the most apparent issues have been cured with the first Servicepack.
Would be interesting to see how MS handles servicepack-alikes on Win 8.
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I once heard a rule of the thumb - never buy a Microsoft OS unless the most apparent issues have been cured with the first Servicepack.
Would be interesting to see how MS handles servicepack-alikes on Win 8.
It looks like Microsoft is going to eschew issuing free service packs and instead just go straight to new releases. This way they can get more revenue. 8.1 or 9 is supposed to be out later this year.
That is my guess, for the moment.
It has always been a good rule of thumb to avoid Microsoft operating systems until the first service pack was released.
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It looks like Microsoft is going to eschew issuing free service packs and instead just go straight to new releases. This way they can get more revenue. 8.1 or 9 is supposed to be out later this year.
That is my guess, for the moment.
It has always been a good rule of thumb to avoid Microsoft operating systems until the first service pack was released.
This is why MS had the first service pack on alpha testing already on Win7 release :D
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Best grab Windows 7 while you still can.
My almost 7 year old Dell XPS 400 has been upgraded to a 650W power supply and 4 gigs of RAM.
My processor is a dual core Pentium 820 (2.80Ghz, 800FSB0)
I'm currently using XP Pro SP3 32 bit. I was thinking of getting WIN7 Pro and going to 64 bit.
I know that I will have to increase the RAM, but also want to know what kind of problems am I facing ?
Can I upgrade with what I have or should I get a new mobo & i7 processor ?
LtngRydr
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My almost 7 year old Dell XPS 400 has been upgraded to a 650W power supply and 4 gigs of RAM.
My processor is a dual core Pentium 820 (2.80Ghz, 800FSB0)
I'm currently using XP Pro SP3 32 bit. I was thinking of getting WIN7 Pro and going to 64 bit.
I know that I will have to increase the RAM, but also want to know what kind of problems am I facing ?
Can I upgrade with what I have or should I get a new mobo & i7 processor ?
LtngRydr
Most likely your 7 year old motherboard can't take more than the 4 GB of RAM you already have. The memory type might also be the old DDR400/pc3200, which is both outdated and expensive. Keep that rig as is, using it as a decent secondary gaming rig for familiarizing your friends to the secrets of AcesHigh during a nice moist men only evening.
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Haha, skuzzy is funny :D
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I've got drive images saved of every microsoft OS going back to dos3.
Three of each...........one that is a clean install with all of the "service packs" and updates saved in it's own directory and one of a brand new install but with all the "successful updates" (not the ones that sucked) and one with all of my usual software installed and fully "registered".
None of the above have ever been connected to the internet meaning no chance for viruses in the drive images.
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I've got drive images saved of every microsoft OS going back to dos3.
Three of each...........one that is a clean install with all of the "service packs" and updates saved in it's own directory and one of a brand new install but with all the "successful updates" (not the ones that sucked) and one with all of my usual software installed and fully "registered".
None of the above have ever been connected to the internet meaning no chance for viruses in the drive images.
What were you thinking to do with them? Run them in a virtual machine? They won't work with the current hardware anyway.
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Whats wrong with you people?
Windows 8 is basically 7 with added security and metro...
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
Why do we have to make a religion out of the difference?
nothing wrong with those of us who know windows...microsoft is stepping on their willies harder and more often now, the crap in win8 is just the beginning. if it wasn't for the fact that winblowz was forced on the public through some shady back alley corporate dealings, we would all be talking about linux right now.
if you think win8 is more secure than any other version, the fact that microsoft has a complete inventory of your computer and everything you have installed or attached to it should make you feel very secure...
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My almost 7 year old Dell XPS 400 has been upgraded to a 650W power supply and 4 gigs of RAM.
My processor is a dual core Pentium 820 (2.80Ghz, 800FSB0)
I'm currently using XP Pro SP3 32 bit. I was thinking of getting WIN7 Pro and going to 64 bit.
I know that I will have to increase the RAM, but also want to know what kind of problems am I facing ?
Can I upgrade with what I have or should I get a new mobo & i7 processor ?
LtngRydr
You want a new build. You want a 64bit OS so you can use more than 4GB of ram, minimum of 6GB at 1300+MHz, DDR3.
Stuff is cheap now. Just do not buy latest releases.
You want an SSD for OS.
A PCI-e 2.0 vid card.
An EX 58 or better mobo.
A 3GHz cpu/minimum.
750W PSU
W7 ultimate 64 bit
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You want a new build. You want a 64bit OS so you can use more than 4GB of ram, minimum of 6GB at 1300+MHz, DDR3.
Stuff is cheap now. Just do not buy latest releases.
You want an SSD for OS.
A PCI-e 2.0 vid card.
An EX 58 or better mobo.
A 3GHz cpu/minimum.
750W PSU
W7 ultimate 64 bit
Uh.. advice like that is better left unsaid. You do realize that 'A PCI-E 2.0 vid card' covers everything between $20 unplayable POS and $1200 high end card?
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What were you thinking to do with them? Run them in a virtual machine? They won't work with the current hardware anyway.
Strange......I run Win95 osr2, Win98SE, XPmce, and Win7 on the same machine without needing virtual machines just like I used to run WFW 3.11, win95 osr2, win98, NT3.51, and NT4.0 on the same machine while doing software quality assurance at Claritas.
I also run late software releases on hardware that supports ISA bus for machines that require it because the ISA card is mission critical and costs 15 grand which makes it not economically feasible to develop a newer version with a modern architecture.
Again......as stated in another thread.........some of us have more experience than you ever will and therefore do things you do not possess the knowledge to understand.
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I once heard a rule of the thumb - never buy a Microsoft OS unless the most apparent issues have been cured with the first Servicepack.
Would be interesting to see how MS handles servicepack-alikes on Win 8.
Never buy or fly the model "a" of anything
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Strange......I run Win95 osr2, Win98SE, XPmce, and Win7 on the same machine without needing virtual machines just like I used to run WFW 3.11, win95 osr2, win98, NT3.51, and NT4.0 on the same machine while doing software quality assurance at Claritas.
I also run late software releases on hardware that supports ISA bus for machines that require it because the ISA card is mission critical and costs 15 grand which makes it not economically feasible to develop a newer version with a modern architecture.
Again......as stated in another thread.........some of us have more experience than you ever will and therefore do things you do not possess the knowledge to understand.
Oh spare me the BS. There are no drivers available for any current hardware to those ancient OSes. You may be able to gimp along somehow but even that's pretty unbelievable.
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Again......as stated in another thread.........some of us have more experience than you ever will and therefore do things you do not possess the knowledge to understand.
Nice.
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Nice.
Yeah... He has experience on making blunt remarks without being able to back them up.
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Hey I'm just reading :). I'm not really tech savy. Just enjoy some good internet arguments to watch. From what I read is he saying that he has all of those old OS's on one computer?
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Hey I'm just reading :). I'm not really tech savy. Just enjoy some good internet arguments to watch. From what I read is he saying that he has all of those old OS's on one computer?
If the computer has really old hardware that's easily achievable. The trick is to get any current hardware to run on such old OSes because the hardware manufacturers no longer make drivers for the old OS versions ;)
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Oh spare me the BS. There are no drivers available for any current hardware to those ancient OSes. You may be able to gimp along somehow but even that's pretty unbelievable.
Actually, the default mode for all Intel based motherboards has been consistent since the 80386 was introduced. Not too hard to believe those old operating systems would run. It would not be pretty due to the lack of native drivers for the video card (VGA mode still works). No sound would available either, unless you had a really old Creative card in the computer.
The rest has pretty much stayed the same (set the SATA ports to run IDE mode) and I could see those old operating systems working,...not well,..but working.
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Oh cool. I remember you and some other guys were arguing about how Apple phones don't get viruses. The other day at my Tech school the IT teacher handed out to all the classes a sheet of programs to protect your computer. On the sheet at the bottom it had programs for Apple OS and Mac stuff. In parentheses it says ( Yes, Apple computers can and do get viruses too!). I kind of laughed cause I remember reading the posts about how they were a little better about not getting them. Correct me if I am wrong here lol.
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You want an SSD for OS.
why? and what is the advantage?
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why? and what is the advantage?
It is the brute force method of getting some extra performance from the operating system. It really is not needed if you take some time to setup the operating system and hardware to suit your needs. I would rather take the money spent on an SSD and get faster RAM and CPU and video card.
That's just me.
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thanks for the answer about the SSD.
My current XP Pro setup is a RAID 0 using 2 160Gb HDs. I know that this is risky but I have learned to backup my files on memory sticks. I'll probably go with RAID 0 again.
All I will be using a new computer for is AH and a little history searching on the web.
LtngRydr
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If the computer has really old hardware that's easily achievable. The trick is to get any current hardware to run on such old OSes because the hardware manufacturers no longer make drivers for the old OS versions ;)
You are limiting yourself to the manufacturers themselves concerning drivers much like you limited yourself in that "markmonitor" comment on another thread.........which you obviously abandoned when you finally got around to checking and found I was right.
There are plenty of drivers out there for most any hardware configuration......but you have to look.......they won't magically float onto your hard drive and you sometimes have to write your own way to get it onto your computer.
Hell.....I even run games that need the dos4gw extender on current hardware and modern OS's.
One of the tricks for that is to keep your path statement as short as possible and to set up a dos environment using virtual IRQs, IO, and DMA.
If you trace my motherboard ownership history you find systems such as
486DX50.......full DX 50mhz bus....not a dx-2 and I even found a VLB video card that successfully ran at the full bus speed.
Iwill P55tu running a pentium mmx 200 with aic7880 ultra wide scsi and the optional adaptec ARO1130 raid controller, has two sound cards in it, an ati 3dpro-turbo+pc to tv with 8mb of sgram along with the optional tv tuner card.
This allowed me to play the latest games, mix multiple channels of music, play a hardware synth with 32 megs of sample ram, capture video, output video to tv, and watch tv on the computer as well as record CDs (in 1995) with the philips cdd2000............I still have it and it still runs though most (not all) of the scsi drives and the cdd2000 have died so I no longer record cds with it but I did use it the other day to use with a midi keyboard and output spdif to a mixer.
At the time, I was supporting a software package that required up to 38 CDroms which I mounted on the scsi hard drives and I had 5 external drives in cases.......some of which I still use with an old fostex digital 4 channel recorder instead of the computer.
ABIT KT7A raid.......only recently died but I ran three sound cards, tv tuner and capture, and the old and reliable awe32 with 32 megs of sample ram onboard for zero latency.....not low latency....but zero latency just like in the pentium I above.
I don't run dos3 on my latest computer because I don't need to but I can run every microsoft OS from early dos versions to the latest windows on a KT7A raid and have full ISA bus functionality unlike the "quasi isa" as found on my current ADEK I7 processor motherboard.
If you have the will, you will find a way to get the functionality you want out of your hardware and most of my systems are mixing parts listed as incompatible with each other.......which I found is mostly BS from frustrated owners.
There was a lot of trial and error in the system examples above but I did the legwork myself and made more than my share of custom .inf files that pointed to drivers not intended for the hardware but that I found would work.
What I got was functionality far beyond the standard.
What I am saying, ripley, is that you can't make a blanket statement about compatibility or value of what I have done with my various OS's over the years without having traveled a similar path as mine.
I've long ago moved away from staying on the cutting edge of "personal computing" and now customize engine management systems for cars but that knowledge and ability remains in my head without the need for internet research to make a point.
Actually, the default mode for all Intel based motherboards has been consistent since the 80386 was introduced. Not too hard to believe those old operating systems would run. It would not be pretty due to the lack of native drivers for the video card (VGA mode still works). No sound would available either, unless you had a really old Creative card in the computer.
The rest has pretty much stayed the same (set the SATA ports to run IDE mode) and I could see those old operating systems working,...not well,..but working.
It is true that intel processors are extremely similar going way back and I feel they are still wringing all they can from the basic architecture originally shown in the pentium pro though I think there was a good leap when the pentium M showed how to get more with less as opposed to the pentium 4.
Yes skuzzy, I do run a very old creative soundcard in the kt7a raid and the old Iwill p55tu that has onboard memory........and it works for every modern OS I've tried but I haven't tried windows 8 on it.
Hell....I even have a choice of asio or wdm drivers.
I don't run it on the newest ADEK I7 based system even though it has an isa slot because the new systems have a DMA issue with the ISA slot so I fear that path has finally closed for many interface cards with isa interface.
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Actually, the default mode for all Intel based motherboards has been consistent since the 80386 was introduced. Not too hard to believe those old operating systems would run. It would not be pretty due to the lack of native drivers for the video card (VGA mode still works). No sound would available either, unless you had a really old Creative card in the computer.
The rest has pretty much stayed the same (set the SATA ports to run IDE mode) and I could see those old operating systems working,...not well,..but working.
Yeah I don't count gimping along with 80% of functionality missing as running.
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You are limiting yourself to the manufacturers themselves concerning drivers much like you limited yourself in that "markmonitor" comment on another thread.........which you obviously abandoned when you finally got around to checking and found I was right.
Uh excuse me? I never even read that thread after I figured you were just being monitored for p2p traffic. Rest assured none of my computers are connected to 'markmonitor' in any shape or form LOL!
Edit: I went back to the thread and replied to you there. My guess is you installed your OS from a brand computers OEM installation disc which had some spy/bloatware embedded in it, typical to OEM. My clean Win7 install using an original Win7 media boots me up to a totally connection free status. If I open the Google site there are only two connections, both to Google Inc. Mind you this is when using Firefox - IE will open about 30 connections to all sorts of places ms.com, akamai, outlook.com ..
There are plenty of drivers out there for most any hardware configuration......but you have to look.......they won't magically float onto your hard drive and you sometimes have to write your own way to get it onto your computer.
Ok show me where to get a Win95 driver for my 7990 Radeon. Or are you just words again?
Hell.....I even run games that need the dos4gw extender on current hardware and modern OS's.
One of the tricks for that is to keep your path statement as short as possible and to set up a dos environment using virtual IRQs, IO, and DMA.
If you trace my motherboard ownership history you find systems such as
486DX50.......full DX 50mhz bus....not a dx-2 and I even found a VLB video card that successfully ran at the full bus speed.
Iwill P55tu running a pentium mmx 200 with aic7880 ultra wide scsi and the optional adaptec ARO1130 raid controller, has two sound cards in it, an ati 3dpro-turbo+pc to tv with 8mb of sgram along with the optional tv tuner card.
This allowed me to play the latest games, mix multiple channels of music, play a hardware synth with 32 megs of sample ram, capture video, output video to tv, and watch tv on the computer as well as record CDs (in 1995) with the philips cdd2000............I still have it and it still runs though most (not all) of the scsi drives and the cdd2000 have died so I no longer record cds with it but I did use it the other day to use with a midi keyboard and output spdif to a mixer.
At the time, I was supporting a software package that required up to 38 CDroms which I mounted on the scsi hard drives and I had 5 external drives in cases.......some of which I still use with an old fostex digital 4 channel recorder instead of the computer.
ABIT KT7A raid.......only recently died but I ran three sound cards, tv tuner and capture, and the old and reliable awe32 with 32 megs of sample ram onboard for zero latency.....not low latency....but zero latency just like in the pentium I above.
I don't run dos3 on my latest computer because I don't need to but I can run every microsoft OS from early dos versions to the latest windows on a KT7A raid and have full ISA bus functionality unlike the "quasi isa" as found on my current ADEK I7 processor motherboard.
If you have the will, you will find a way to get the functionality you want out of your hardware and most of my systems are mixing parts listed as incompatible with each other.......which I found is mostly BS from frustrated owners.
There was a lot of trial and error in the system examples above but I did the legwork myself and made more than my share of custom .inf files that pointed to drivers not intended for the hardware but that I found would work.
What I got was functionality far beyond the standard.
What I am saying, ripley, is that you can't make a blanket statement about compatibility or value of what I have done with my various OS's over the years without having traveled a similar path as mine.
What exactly do you know about my history with computers? Again you're making blanket statements with no actual data to back anything up. FYI I started computing with C64 around 1986 and coded my first small assembler program using it in 1987 :) By the way if you like tinkering, with Linux you can (or have to) still micromanage drivers like that. Although it's getting less common even there, which IMO is a positive thing.
I've long ago moved away from staying on the cutting edge of "personal computing" and now customize engine management systems for cars but that knowledge and ability remains in my head without the need for internet research to make a point.
It is true that intel processors are extremely similar going way back and I feel they are still wringing all they can from the basic architecture originally shown in the pentium pro though I think there was a good leap when the pentium M showed how to get more with less as opposed to the pentium 4.
Yes skuzzy, I do run a very old creative soundcard in the kt7a raid and the old Iwill p55tu that has onboard memory........and it works for every modern OS I've tried but I haven't tried windows 8 on it.
Hell....I even have a choice of asio or wdm drivers.
I don't run it on the newest ADEK I7 based system even though it has an isa slot because the new systems have a DMA issue with the ISA slot so I fear that path has finally closed for many interface cards with isa interface.
So now after all this brou-ha-ha you admit you can get 'most modern OSes to run' with slightly dated hardware. So my question remains, what were you thinking to do with the ancient OSes which you can't any longer run with current hardware? Do you keep old computers around for nostalgia reasons or what? Seems like that. I have a friend like you - he brings old outcommissioned computers home from his work at the hospital. He runs BSD on them and I think he has something like 6 old servers and workstations running as we speak lol! And believe it or not his wife didn't divorce him yet.
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You might want to edit that post after you resolve the addresses in the netstat screenshots you provided.
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You might want to edit that post after you resolve the addresses in the netstat screenshots you provided.
Both addresses resolve to Google Inc - already checked that.
Edit: Now I see what you mean :D
So Markmonitor is probably owned by Google and is providing DNS services for it. So no 'spying' is going on anywhere. Any information you type to Google search is going to be saved and profiled by your IP or even worse, your user account info anyway.
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Here is the full resolution of 173.194.32.23 that was provided in your screenshot.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8665953668_dd724c5233_b.jpg)
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What exactly do you know about my history with computers? Again you're making blanket statements with no actual data to back anything up. FYI I started computing with C64 around 1986 and coded my first small assembler program using it in 1987 :) By the way if you like tinkering, with Linux you can (or have to) still micromanage drivers like that. Although it's getting less common even there, which IMO is a positive thing.
The information quoted above confirmes that your history of coding started about 9 years after mine.
Not really sure why you posted it.
This all started when I listed my different OS's drive images I have stored and you somehow took exception to it.
I've moved the focus of my career away from mastery of desktop computing and administration to the point where computers and engine management systems meet but it doesn't mean I forgot everything I've learned or the certifications I have earned.
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The information quoted above confirmes that your history of coding started about 9 years after mine.
Not really sure why you posted it.
Your quoted answer above confirmes that you can't provide me a link to a Win95 driver for a 7xxx series Radeon, nothing else.
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Here is the full resolution of 173.194.32.23 that was provided in your screenshot.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8665953668_dd724c5233_b.jpg)
Yeah so once more: Nobodys computer is 'connected' to markmonitor or spied. What did surprise me was the extent of the search engines that were routed through markmonitor - even the Chinese baidu.com. There are however still search engines which are not affected by markmonitor.
So while you were right in that yahoo, bing, google, baidu etc. searches are going through markmonitor, it's a problem related to those services only and not something that makes our computers 'connect' there unless we use those services.
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You claimed that none of your endpoints were with markmonitor and provided a screenshot.
I resolved the addresses from your screenshot and proved they go to markmonitor.
There is nothing more to be said.
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You claimed that none of your endpoints were with markmonitor and provided a screenshot.
I resolved the addresses from your screenshot and proved they go to markmonitor.
There is nothing more to be said.
Whois.sc that I used shows only Google.inc registration. When I checked the DNS it shows markmonitor. YOU claimed that everyones computers are spied - without any reference to going to search sites. You were wrong - end of story.
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Whois.sc that I used shows only Google.inc registration. When I checked the DNS it shows markmonitor. YOU claimed that everyones computers are spied - without any reference to going to search sites. You were wrong - end of story.
even a dweeb like me knows that ms and google do that all day long.
semp
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even a dweeb like me knows that ms and google do that all day long.
semp
People just imagine things that in reality do not happen. Every last bit of information that flows out of windows has been scrutinized to the end, trust me.
Markmonitor is an internet registrar that handles DNS for Google and many other .com sites.
This claim reflects a misunderstanding of how the internet works, and what MarkMonitor does.
Markmonitor is an internet registrar, that means that they manage the registration of the domain names. While they have the power to change the registration they cannot do this in a non-obvious way. None of the traffic that goes to those sites goes through MarkMonitor.
When you connect to google.com your request is looked up on what is called a "nameserver". Nameservers translate domain names like "www.google.com" into the actual addresses, which look like 121.43.11.92. There are 13 "root nameservers", and they will then redirect you to another nameserver that handles all the .COM addresses (called a TLD nameserver), which redirects you to a third nameserver that handles all the .google.com addresses, which will return the actual address of www.google.com.
If someone had control of the nameserver, then they could re-route your traffic into their own sites, and potentially eavesdrop on it. They could not do this secretly though, as you could still easily see where the traffic was going.
But MarkMonitor DO NOT CONTROL THE NAMESERVERS for google.com. The root nameservers (which are run by large telecom companies, and bodies like NASA or the University of Maryland) are entirely independent of MarkMonitor. The secondary nameservers for .COM are run by Verisign, also independent of MarkMonitor, The nameservers that Verisign's nameservers point to for google.com are owned by Google.
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Ripley, you have made a huge amount of incorrect assumptions which removes credibility from your further posting.
Here.......I will do the work to show them below.
LOL! Google Markmonitor and you'll find out it's a DMCA monitoring company. Are you running P2P perhaps? It means your computer is seeding a copyright holders spy computer. Expect a lawsuit in 3..2..1
Incorrect..........I don't run any P2P and my computer is not seeding a copyright holder's spy computer.
Actually I just upgraded my computer with new hardware and installed a fresh Win7 installation on it. I was really "surprised" to find there are no connections to markmonitor or any other non-microsoft endpoint for that matter. In fact there are a total of zero connections anywhere after windows updates stop running.
If I open the Google web page I get two additional connections, both ending to 'Google Inc'.
You probably have spyware on your computer ;) Did you perhaps make the installation from an OEM install disc? That would imply your brand computer comes with embedded spyware straight out of the box. Congratulations! :D
Incorrect again.......no spyware on my computer and my installs were not done with an oem installation from a manufacturer and my computer was built by me.
The disc is genuine windows.
You mention two additional connections and both were proven to got to markmonitor.
After a clean boot:
(http://s23.postimg.org/vnoybb7ln/cleanboot.png)
When at Google frontpage:
(http://s23.postimg.org/5e3vsilob/when_at_google.png)
See? No markmonitor, only Google.inc. The UDP port at the bottom is created by Punkbuster (ok, so not a 100% clean install anymore ;) )
(http://s23.postimg.org/5e3vsilob/when_at_google.png)
Here you say no markmonitor..........and below I post the whois of your supposted connections that aren't connected to markmonitor.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8665953668_dd724c5233_b.jpg)
So you agree that nobodys computer is spied in any way and they're not connected to markmonitor. Where I have to agree with you is that it seems like all the biggest search engines seem to be routed through markmonitor. Not all of them however.
Your claim that everyones computer is connected to markmonitor is therefore just plain false. This affects only people doing searches using the most common search engines. It looks like the US government has bent down backwards to the copyright predators and subjected all US related search engines (even baidu is a .com) to a global censorship.
There is no need for any conspiracy plots when your own government sells you to the highest bidder as the standard MO :)
I agreed to nothing you have said but you quickly edited your posts after I showed you were incorrect and decided to try to spin this a different direction.
Your statement "Your claim that everyones computer is connected to markmonitor is therefore just plain false." is incorrect because I never said "everyone's computer is connected to markmonitor"..........but yours is.
Spin unsuccessful.
You then claim I need to do more checking into markmonitor but the entire thread here as well as in the "chemtrail" thread is full of posts showing you posting first before checking and having to resort to spin control, outright misquotes, and editing after what clearly is not enough research on your end.
Then you claim that I didn't do enough research when it is proven that you were the one who had to "cram" and educate yourself on something you shouldn't have been commenting on because you lacked the knowledge on the subject.
Now you are busy only showing a sliver of what markmonitor does as if what you referenced is the only thing they do.
Since you have newly learned about markmonitor to attempt to discuss the subject, why omit the rest of the things markmonitor does?
Maybe more research is need on your end?
Start with "six strikes".
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Ripley, you have made a huge amount of incorrect assumptions which removes credibility from your further posting.
Here.......I will do the work to show them below.
Incorrect..........I don't run any P2P and my computer is not seeding a copyright holder's spy computer.
You yourself claimed your computer was connected to that endpoint. Like I said that's simply not possible without you running some software that's initiating that connection. Seeing that Markmonitor is a copyright predator my logical assumption was that you were running p2p and were seeding the investigators of copyright holders :D
Incorrect again.......no spyware on my computer and my installs were not done with an oem installation from a manufacturer and my computer was built by me.
Why did you make wild claims about your computer being connected to markmonitor then? Even more, EVERYONES computer being connected there. Quit the BS!
You mention two additional connections and both were proven to got to markmonitor.
(http://s23.postimg.org/5e3vsilob/when_at_google.png)
Here you say no markmonitor..........and below I post the whois of your supposted connections that aren't connected to markmonitor.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8665953668_dd724c5233_b.jpg)
Yep it's a site registered to Google.inc and it's registered via the internet registrar called Markmonitor. Verisign and GoDaddy.com are also HUGE spies you know!
I agreed to nothing you have said but you quickly edited your posts after I showed you were incorrect and decided to try to spin this a different direction.
Your statement "Your claim that everyones computer is connected to markmonitor is therefore just plain false." is incorrect because I never said "everyone's computer is connected to markmonitor"..........but yours is.
Spin unsuccessful.
Eeeek! Wrong. My computer is not connected to markmonitor. It seems you still don't understand that markmonitor is the registrar and the data is not routed through their servers. You've fallen to a typical conspiracy sinkhole just as those chemtrail guys! :D
You then claim I need to do more checking into markmonitor but the entire thread here as well as in the "chemtrail" thread is full of posts showing you posting first before checking and having to resort to spin control, outright misquotes, and editing after what clearly is not enough research on your end.
Get a grip. YOU CLAIMED EVERYONES COMPUTERS ARE CONNECTED TO MARKMONITOR. THEY'RE NOT LIKE I SAID. Period. Later you specified that you need to be connected to Google in order to see 'markmonitor' and even then I couldn't find evidence of that. And the reason was simply because at no point any connection to markmonitor was made - markmonitor hosts dns for Google.
You can't blame me for making false assumptions because of your own erroneous posts.
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This has gone off the rails and is no longer providing anything useful. If you two want to continue this, please take it private.
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Oh cool. I remember you and some other guys were arguing about how Apple phones don't get viruses. The other day at my Tech school the IT teacher handed out to all the classes a sheet of programs to protect your computer. On the sheet at the bottom it had programs for Apple OS and Mac stuff. In parentheses it says ( Yes, Apple computers can and do get viruses too!). I kind of laughed cause I remember reading the posts about how they were a little better about not getting them. Correct me if I am wrong here lol.
Oh trust me, Mac OS X is just as prone as any OS. I work as an IT for Apple, and it's almost comical to see the number of security flaws. That in conjunction with 3rd party applications (such as Java) create security vulnerabilities like you wouldn't believe.
A couple of links for the neighsayers (from apple, mind you):
Apple's recomendation? For security, disable Java unless you absolutly need it.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5648
"Apple NEVER get's malware!"
-One Apple stepped into assist in removing from the wild: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5243
If I'm being perfectly honest, Mac OS is waiting for something major to break. Most that I interact with aren't running even base level security software (i.e. a firewall). I also suggest reading up on the Pwn2Own conference. It was made to show the security exploits of the Mac OS after Apple ignored Dragos Ruiu's complaints about some exploits. Long story short:
Major softwares are there (Windows, fully updated, Mac OS, fully updated, and a Linux form, fully updated, and now mobile phones too, if you're the first to hack the product using a previously unkown exploit, you get to keep the device), and Mac OS is usually the first to fall.
Not as secure as people would like to believe...
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Oh trust me, Mac OS X is just as prone as any OS. I work as an IT for Apple, and it's almost comical to see the number of security flaws. That in conjunction with 3rd party applications (such as Java) create security vulnerabilities like you wouldn't believe.
A couple of links for the neighsayers (from apple, mind you):
Apple's recomendation? For security, disable Java unless you absolutly need it.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5648
"Apple NEVER get's malware!"
-One Apple stepped into assist in removing from the wild: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5243
If I'm being perfectly honest, Mac OS is waiting for something major to break. Most that I interact with aren't running even base level security software (i.e. a firewall). I also suggest reading up on the Pwn2Own conference. It was made to show the security exploits of the Mac OS after Apple ignored Dragos Ruiu's complaints about some exploits. Long story short:
Major softwares are there (Windows, fully updated, Mac OS, fully updated, and a Linux form, fully updated, and now mobile phones too, if you're the first to hack the product using a previously unkown exploit, you get to keep the device), and Mac OS is usually the first to fall.
Not as secure as people would like to believe...
True - but OSX has always been hacked through Safari in pwn2own. Use firefox with noscript and those vectors disappear. Also the number of existing attacks is close to none on OSX which is why your chances are low on running to an OSX attack unless you visit some warez site. iOS has the best security track record of all mobile OSes so far and that's mostly because of the prescreening of the apps and forced code signing.
As far as Java goes, the department of homeland security also advises every pc user to disable it ;)
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Never mind.
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True - but OSX has always been hacked through Safari in pwn2own. Use firefox with noscript and those vectors disappear. Also the number of existing attacks is close to none on OSX which is why your chances are low on running to an OSX attack unless you visit some warez site. iOS has the best security track record of all mobile OSes so far and that's mostly because of the prescreening of the apps and forced code signing.
As far as Java goes, the department of homeland security also advises every pc user to disable it ;)
Correct analysis, but the same can be transferred across to Windows as well. Or heck, even Solaris. There was a study done by the Univiersity of Colorodo (this is years old... XP was current at that time) into OS vulnerability, and for the most part, they're pretty secure. There are vulnerabilities, but IIRC, XP had something along the lines of 40 documented vulnerabilities, and I don't know how many of those were exploitable or the extent of the vulnerability. Where people fail is they expect that on OS over the other has a security strength when in actuality, security is care and concern of the user. I was floating Java up to show that usually, it's 3rd party software that "everyone" has that gets exploited, and security falls. Mac OS X is a solid OS, just as Windows 7 is, but the exploits tend to come from beyond the OS and from the user's carelessness, so the idea of, "let's get a mac so we're 100% secure" is a folly. (:
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Correct analysis, but the same can be transferred across to Windows as well. Or heck, even Solaris. There was a study done by the Univiersity of Colorodo (this is years old... XP was current at that time) into OS vulnerability, and for the most part, they're pretty secure. There are vulnerabilities, but IIRC, XP had something along the lines of 40 documented vulnerabilities, and I don't know how many of those were exploitable or the extent of the vulnerability. Where people fail is they expect that on OS over the other has a security strength when in actuality, security is care and concern of the user. I was floating Java up to show that usually, it's 3rd party software that "everyone" has that gets exploited, and security falls. Mac OS X is a solid OS, just as Windows 7 is, but the exploits tend to come from beyond the OS and from the user's carelessness, so the idea of, "let's get a mac so we're 100% secure" is a folly. (:
Yes but the fact that still remains is that there are about 2 000 000 variations of different attacks for the windows platform in the wild and maybe 5 known ones for the mac. I like my odds on OSX.
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You grossly underestimate the malware floating arounf for Macs - just like Android it's growing and growing. The only plus is that Apple usually gets updates faster installed than Android users (they often required their hardware manufacturer to pass the updates to them and this often takes far too long).
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You grossly underestimate the malware floating arounf for Macs - just like Android it's growing and growing. The only plus is that Apple usually gets updates faster installed than Android users (they often required their hardware manufacturer to pass the updates to them and this often takes far too long).
If there's such an amount of malware 'floating' for mac I'm sure you'll find a link or two that lists them.
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Yes but the fact that still remains is that there are about 2 000 000 variations of different attacks for the windows platform in the wild and maybe 5 known ones for the mac. I like my odds on OSX.
Could you link that? I am not doubting you at all I just want to read on it for myself.
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Could you link that? I am not doubting you at all I just want to read on it for myself.
Link to what? You can find a gazillion hits for Windows malware and viruses from Google with your first search. For OSX .. well not so much.
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Link to the statistics of what you posted. The 2,000,000 types vs the 5.
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Link to the statistics of what you posted. The 2,000,000 types vs the 5.
There is no single site that says so duh.
Google it up .. there are literally thousands of articles about it. The amount of windows viruses/malware surpassed 1 million already on 2008. Now there are 17+ million variants of known viruses http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/the-malware-numbers-game-how-many-viruses-are-out-there/4783
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rippley you didn't read the article did you?
semp
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rippley you didn't read the article did you?
semp
Of course I did. Why would you say so?
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In the first part of the reading it says that their is 17 million known viruses on Windows Android and Mac. Then it says you would think that all those were aimed at Windows and you would be wrong.
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In the first part of the reading it says that their is 17 million known viruses on Windows Android and Mac. Then it says you would think that all those were aimed at Windows and you would be wrong.
You should read a bit more on the subject and then try to interpret the text. Windows viruses count in the millions. Android viruses count in tens of thousands. OSX viruses count in around 10 or so. So no, all are not windows viruses. :headscratch:
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You should read a bit more on the subject and then try to interpret the text. Windows viruses count in the millions. Android viruses count in tens of thousands. OSX viruses count in around 10 or so. So no, all are not windows viruses. :headscratch:
You really think there are millions of viruses for Windows, which still have an active entry system?
You really think only 10 viruses have been created for OSX, since day one?
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You really think there are millions of viruses for Windows, which still have an active entry system?
You really think only 10 viruses have been created for OSX, since day one?
Took the words out of my mouth..
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You really think there are millions of viruses for Windows, which still have an active entry system?
You really think only 10 viruses have been created for OSX, since day one?
Yes I really do. The world is full of unpatched systems and antiquated Windows versions so a large part of those viruses have an 'entry system'. We even had a customer who was using Win95 for business just a couple of years ago :D One point of entry is the moment of install due to Microsoft not supplying patched and updated installation medias without buying a new license.
The amount of 'in the wild' active viruses for OSX is around ten afaik. Feel free to prove me wrong. Even if it was 100 in reality it completely disappears in comparison to Windows viruses and malware.
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My theory is that more people use Windows over Mac so therefore the number of Windows viruses will be higher. Significantly.
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My theory is that more people use Windows over Mac so therefore the number of Windows viruses will be higher. Significantly.
Of course. That's why it will always be statistically much safer to use non-mainstream OSes. They don't attract interest from criminals.
It's much more profitable to attack as system that 2 billion users use instead of a few millions.
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You should read a bit more on the subject and then try to interpret the text. Windows viruses count in the millions. Android viruses count in tens of thousands. OSX viruses count in around 10 or so. So no, all are not windows viruses. :headscratch:
ripley your own link implies that security companies are padding their virus signature to make it seem worst than what it is.
for example between april 4 and april 12 there were 106,976 new definitions were added, but out of those 12 were new and 291 revised. so "So where does the 100,000+ number come from? It appears to be a count of individual pieces of identifying data—signatures—associated with those named entries. Counting every signature is an easy way to get to an impressively large number, but it isn’t an accurate way to acesss the current threat landscape" [had two revised as the auto revision kicked in on the quote lol].
and that was a quote from your own link. which brings up two points only one of which is true.
1 you didnt read the link or
2 you didnt understand it.
semp
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however after reviewing all pertinent information one fact is true.
reason why most "thieves" dont bother trying to steal info from apple users is because they know that they already spent all their money buying their super computer. while the windows users only spent a 1/3 as much. so guess which group has more money :uhoh.
semp
(I just want to make it clear to mrrippley that this is just a little bit of sarcasm, no need to bring out stats)
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ripley your own link implies that security companies are padding their virus signature to make it seem worst than what it is.
for example between april 4 and april 12 there were 106,976 new definitions were added, but out of those 12 were new and 291 revised. so "So where does the 100,000+ number come from? It appears to be a count of individual pieces of identifying data—signatures—associated with those named entries. Counting every signature is an easy way to get to an impressively large number, but it isn’t an accurate way to acesss the current threat landscape" [had two revised as the auto revision kicked in on the quote lol].
and that was a quote from your own link. which brings up two points only one of which is true.
1 you didnt read the link or
2 you didnt understand it.
semp
No, it's obvious that you're on a personal vendetta of some sort and either your rage made you fail to understand what I wrote or you chose to do so. I made no claim that there were 17+ million different viruses, I said there were that amount of VARIANTS. Anyone who knows even the basics about viruses, also knows that most commonly old viruses are recycled by altering their signature a wee bit and anyone can pay a couple hundred dollars and get a toolbox for tailoring your own attacks. This is enough to fool non-heuristic detection systems and therefore poses a clear threat even if the virus is 'old'.
The effect of running heuristics, again, is sometimes just as bad as having viruses. Computer starts to lag bad.
The threat to windows users is very clear and present.
As it happens just today I was consulting a client again that had an infection on his computer - despite having 'the best AV in the world' as advertised running. Didn't do squat, browsers were hijacked and who knows what else :D Chrome browser had lost all its toolbars, Firefox took an eternity to open and started removing add-ons automatically, AV screamed about 'unknown process trying to alter browser settings' and yet, there the bug was alive and well...
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Windows is better.
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Windows is better.
Oh yes, after that level of argumentation surely nobody can disagree with you.
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Haha. Just kidding with you. :D