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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: scott66 on May 15, 2013, 06:57:11 PM
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I know it was late in the war (1944),but i would like to see the p61 a/b intoduced to AH plz :salute :cheers: :joystick: :salute
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Saw service, got kills, no reason I can see not to have it. :) +1
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Saw service, got kills, no reason I can see not to have it. :) +1
thanks RED i agree :salute
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It's been asked for many times, by myself included. The A/B IMO would be a nice addition, it definitely meets the criteria for being added. As an addition to you're wish, since the 61's had radar perhaps extending the enemy identification while piloting extended to 8k.
Of course the anti 61 group will say "more iconic planes need to be added" or "we don't have real night" in AH, but I'll +1 your wish. I'd like to see a Beau/61 update package since we just got the Ki, 111, and the 410.
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How can HTC resist us ? :lol :aok :salute
It's been asked for many times, by myself included. The A/B IMO would be a nice addition, it definitely meets the criteria for being added. As an addition to you're wish, since the 61's had radar perhaps extending the enemy identification while piloting extended to 8k.
Of course the anti 61 group will say "more iconic planes need to be added" or "we don't have real night" in AH, but I'll +1 your wish. I'd like to see a Beau/61 update package since we just got the Ki, 111, and the 410.
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it definitely meets the criteria for being added.
What Criteria? again it is/should be known, Hitech has no "Criteria" or "Rules" for aircraft inclusion. just what they seem to want to add or add to a vote for us to choose. i believe they do read the forums and choose based on whats popular or case with the M-18 the most asked for.
So back on topic. I would love to see the P-61 added. its a great airplane. its got 4 20mms and is late war. +1.
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P-61
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What Criteria? again it is/should be known, Hitech has no "Criteria" or "Rules" for aircraft inclusion. just what they seem to want to add or add to a vote for us to choose. i believe they do read the forums and choose based on whats popular or case with the M-18 the most asked for.
So back on topic. I would love to see the P-61 added. its a great airplane. its got 4 20mms and is late war. +1.
I don't recall a written policy, but AH folklore is "must have served in squadron strength, must of seen actual combat, and served in WWII".
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I don't recall a written policy, but AH folklore is "must have served in squadron strength, must of seen actual combat, and served in WWII".
There is a written policy, whatever Hitech decide, goes.
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It's been asked for many times, by myself included. The A/B IMO would be a nice addition, it definitely meets the criteria for being added. As an addition to you're wish, since the 61's had radar perhaps extending the enemy identification while piloting extended to 8k.
Of course the anti 61 group will say "more iconic planes need to be added" or "we don't have real night" in AH, but I'll +1 your wish. I'd like to see a Beau/61 update package since we just got the Ki, 111, and the 410.
P-61A or, preferably, P-61B would be a neat addition.
The radar thing though, no. WWII radar was not up to that sort of thing and the Mk I eyeball has better capability in daylight than the radar had at night.
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I was just getting ready to make a request for the P-61 A/B.
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It's a gorgeous plane and I would love to see it in game.
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Even though a real stretch the Grumman F7F Tigercat. I know, it never saw combat in WW2.
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Even though a real stretch the Grumman F7F Tigercat. I know, it never saw combat in WW2.
umm P61 served in WW2 in combat strength.
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umm P61 served in WW2 in combat strength.
he was referring to his desire for the f7f...which deserves a big NO.
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he was referring to his desire for the f7f...which deserves a big NO.
I disagree. I think the F7F deserves atleast to be on a vote. however it does fit the "was in service" that HiTech wants. it entered into service with the USMC in mid to late 44 and didnt get to a squadron till 45, and is known to have been in route to okinawa from iwo jima the day the japanese surrendered. I know alot of people still want it to be "Oh it had to have kills", or "it must have been in cobat". the fact still remains it is Hitech Choice in the end.
As for the P-61. It gets a +1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 from me.
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Beaufighter before either F7F or P61.
Not really interested in a main arena full of late war monsters that flew for 1% of the war when there are planes not yet included that had a much larger impact and flew 400 times as many missions.
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gotta agree with Icepac...
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So you two don't want to include a 1944 aircraft that "flew in 1% of the war"? Since WW2 ended in late summer/early fall 1945, I'd say
ypur math needs work. +1 for the P-61, just for the gee whiz factor. All new planes are a good thing, period.
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I've read that the P-61 was more maneuverable than any other AAF fighter...
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I believe the tail radar will be the only problem
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Well i guess before asking HTC for new plane i should learn to fly the ones they do have first..as my score and stats are proof of my suckage :bhead :salute :lol
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:lol :salute
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What Criteria? again it is/should be known, Hitech has no "Criteria" or "Rules" for aircraft inclusion. just what they seem to want to add or add to a vote for us to choose. i believe they do read the forums and choose based on whats popular or case with the M-18 the most asked for.
So back on topic. I would love to see the P-61 added. its a great airplane. its got 4 20mms and is late war. +1.
Also had 4 .50's in a babette, although some models had it removed to increase stability
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P-61 is a sexy beast +1 :pray
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Here's some more information for you Sir.
SPECIFICATIONS
for B-model, unless otherwise noted
PRIMARY FUNCTION: Night Fighter
CONTRACTOR: Northrop Aircraft Inc. of Hawthorne, California
UNIT COST: $170,000
CREW: Pilot, Radar Operator, and Gunner
FIRST FLIGHT: May 21, 1942 (XP-61)
SERVICE DELIVERY: May 1944 (P-61A)
FIRST OP MISSION: July 3, 1944 (Europe)
FIRST KILL: July 6, 1944 (Pacific)
TOTAL PRODUCED: 706 (all variants)
ENGINES: Two Pratt & Whitney R-2800-65 Double Wasp 18-Cylinder engines rated at 2,250 hp
WING SPAN: 66 Feet
LENGTH: 49 Feet, 7 Inches
HEIGHT: 14 Feet, 8 Inches
MAX. SPEED: 369 MPH
HEIGHT: 14 Feet, 8 Inches
EMPTY WEIGHT: 20,965 lb
MAX. T.O. WEIGHT 34,200 lb
SERVICE CEILING: 33,100 Feet
MAX. RANGE: 1,350 Miles, (1,900 miles ferry)
RATE OF CLIMB: 2,090 Feet Per Minute
ARMAMENT: Four 20 mm Hispano M2 cannons, four Browning M2 .50 caliber heavy machine guns,
6,400 lb of bombs or rockets
(http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/P-61/P-61Bstalchrt.gif)
(http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/P-61/P-61pwrpltchrt.gif)
(http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/P-61/P-61anglesarmor.gif)
That should get the you a good start...
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and then some lol... :airplane:
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Saw service, got kills, no reason I can see not to have it. :) +1
Where?
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Where?
Where what?
It saw service in the Pacific and European theaters and got kills in both.
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Where?
Per USAAF.net:
Altogether, the 422d NFS flew 1,576 sorties in France and Germany, with official credit for 48 German aircraft destroyed (including 5 V-1s), 5 probably destroyed, and 5 damaged. Its crews also claimed to have damaged or destroyed 448 trucks, 50 locomotives, and 476 railroad cars. Six of the nine American night aces of the war came from the 422d: Pilots Paul A. Smith, Herman E. Ernst, and Eugene D. Axtell and R/Os Robert E. Tierney, Edward H. Kopsel, and Robert F. Graham, each with five kills. A distinguished unit citation testified to the squadron’s success. The 425th NFS tallied 14 more kills (including 4 V-1s), with 1 probable and 2 damaged. These 62 claimed kills pale in comparison before the more than 20,000 aerial victories Americans claimed in the daylight against Germany, but the two night fighter squadrons claimed that 55 percent of their airborne radar contacts resulted in visual contacts and 68 percent of these were shot down. The Black Widows were not always successful, but they could be as deadly as their namesakes.
Seems like the 61 was credited with kills to me...here's a list of all squads using the P-61:
Wartime units using the P-61 included:
6th Night Fighter Squadron, Seventh Air Force. Received Black Widows in May 1944. Served in Guadalcanal, New Guinea, Saipan, Iwo Jima. Inactivated February 1947 and reactivated as 339th All Weather Squadron.
414th Night Fighter Squadron, Twelfth Air Force. Received Black Widows in December 1944. Served in Algeria, Sardinia, Corsica, Italy, plus detachment to Belgium. Inactivated August 1947 and reformed as 319th All Weather Squadron.
415th Night Fighter Squadron, Twelfth Air Force. Received Black Widow in March 1945. Served in Italy, Corsica, France, Germany. Inactived September 1947.
416th Night Fighter Squadron, Twelfth Air Force. Received Black Widow in June 1945. Served in Italy, Corsica, France, Germany. Inactived November 1946 and redesignated 2nd Fighter Squadron (All Weather).
417th Night Fighter Squadron, Twelfth Air Force. Received Black Widow in April/May 1945. Served in Italy, Corsica, France, Germany. Inactived November 1946.
418th Night Fighter Squadron, Fifth Air Force. Received Black Widow in September 1944. Served in New Guinea, Philippines. Inactivated February 1947 but reactivated August 1948 as 4th All Weather Squadron.
419th Night Fighter Squadron, Thirteenth Air Force. Received Black Widow in May 1944. Served in New Guinea, Philippines. Inactivated February 1947.
421st Night Fighter Squadron, Fifth Air Force. Received Black Widow June 1944. Served in New Guinea, Philippines. Inactivated February 1947. Reactivated august 1948 as 68th All Weather Squadron.
422nd Night Fighter Squadron, Ninth Air Force. Received Black Widow May 1944. Served in England, France, Belgium, Germany. Inactivated September 1945.
425th Night Fighter Squadron, Ninth Air Force. Served in England, France, and Germany. Inactivated August 1947.
426th Night Fighter Squadron, Fourteenth Air Force. Received Black Widow September 1944. Served in India, China to protect B-29 bases from attack. Inactivated November 1945.
427th Night Fighter Squadron. Served briefly in Italy then moved to India, Burma, China. Received Black Widow in August 1944. Inactivated October 1945.
547th Night Fighter Squadron, Fifth Air Force. Activated March 1944 with P-61. Served in New Guinea, Philippines, Ie Shima, Japan. Inactivated February 1946.
548th Night Fighter Squadron, Seventh Air Force. Activated April 1944 with P-61. Served in Saipan, Iwo Jima, Ie Shima. Inactivated December 1945. Reactivated in 1969 as the 548th Combat Training Squadron. Still in service.
549th Night Fighter Squadron, Seventh Air Force. Activated May 1944 with P-61. Served on Saipan, Iwo Jima. Inactivated February 1946.
550th Night Fighter Squadron. Activated June 1944. Received first Black Widows January 1945. Served in New Guinea, Philippines. Inactivated January 1946.
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Good job 5point :salute
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Beaufighter before either F7F or P61.
Not really interested in a main arena full of late war monsters that flew for 1% of the war when there are planes not yet included that had a much larger impact and flew 400 times as many missions.
So why not both the Beaufighter AND the P-61? No wrongs with that, eh? :)
But I would have to agree if there were only one that we would get now. Beaufighter would be first. :aok
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"PRIMARY FUNCTION: Night Fighter"
"ARMAMENT: Four 20 mm Hispano M2 cannons, four Browning M2 .50 caliber heavy machine guns,
6,400 lb of bombs or rockets"
Is it just the dress that everyone wants to pay perks in the LWMA to dance in?
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There are others in AH that have 20mm that are not perked. Not that I'd care if it was perked, or not I'm just saying.
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Remember how the Me410 was the battle cry of some people? It was added and it is good for 1 thing: killing bombers. Not intercepting, not ground pounding, not dogfighting, etc. Just killing bombers. The Me410 handles like a pig at all speeds. I guess my point is this P61 may be all the same, meaning lots of hype and it looks good on paper but when it comes to taking the time to learn the plane most players will go back to their P51D and go about as they were. YMMV
So no. There are LOTS of other aircraft that made a larger imprint in WWII than the P61 that deserve to be added.
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Remember how the Me410 was the battle cry of some people? It was added and it is good for 1 thing: killing bombers. Not intercepting, not ground pounding, not dogfighting, etc. Just killing bombers. The Me410 handles like a pig at all speeds. I guess my point is this P61 may be all the same, meaning lots of hype and it looks good on paper but when it comes to taking the time to learn the plane most players will go back to their P51D and go about as they were. YMMV
I have to disagree. The Me410 performs pretty much exactly like I expected. The P-61 was said to be extremely maneuverable, a charge I have never seen laid against the Me410. In addition the P-61's 6400lbs of ord would make it such a good attack aircraft it would probably have to be perked.
There are LOTS of other aircraft that made a larger imprint in WWII than the P61 that deserve to be added.
On this I agree fully.
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I don't get you plane snob types, just because one plane is added doesn't mean another won't.
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I don't get you plane snob types, just because one plane is added doesn't mean another won't.
Actually, for the patch in which a plane is released it means exactly that another wasn't added. It is just a matter of what comes before what.
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I agree with Karnak. We already have a bunch of American planes in game. We should give the other guys a chance to fill their spots. I just think that the P-61 is a plane that should be added. It's one of my favorites by far.
If HTC keeps turning out two planes an update (kind of hope they don't just to avoid all the bugs that came about last time), then they could release one plane that fills a gap and one plane that doesn't in each update.
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Since the B-29 has been added we've received the SeaHurri, Lancasters, P-40s, Ki-43, He-111, M-18, Panzers, Tiger 2, Ju-87s and the Me-410. Not saying we didn't need those, but it would be nice to see a Beau/Widow update package.
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Since the B-29 has been added we've received the SeaHurri, Lancasters, P-40s, Ki-43, He-111, M-18, Panzers, Tiger 2, Ju-87s and the Me-410. Not saying we didn't need those, but it would be nice to see a Beau/Widow update package.
yes yes yes! It's black :aok
hits hard :aok
has 2 engines :aok
and it was awesome
Btw any of you stat monkeys know the number of daylight kiLls for the p61?
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Just be aware that the P-61B, the version I'd want added, would almost certainly have to be perked due to its air-to-ground capability.
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Just be aware that the P-61B, the version I'd want added, would almost certainly have to be perked due to its air-to-ground capability.
Noted, I will be sure to blow through all 2k of my perks angering them into the ground.
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Btw any of you stat monkeys know the number of daylight kiLls for the p61?
In my research I have yet to see a count on daylight vs nighttime kills, but have found that a total of 127 downed aircraft, plus 18 V-1s. But as the war was winding down and the lack of enemy aircraft the 61 was sent on daylight attack raids in the ETO.
Just be aware that the P-61B, the version I'd want added, would almost certainly have to be perked due to its air-to-ground capability.
I really don't think it would have to be perked, it could only carry under the wings, in 4 hard mounts, so you got a choice between HVARs or bombs. The bombs would have been up to 1600lbs, but just because it can carry doesn't mean it did carry; I'll do some research, but I'd bet that typical load out would be 500lbrs or 1000lbrs.
In game a 61 with 4000lbs under the wing would be pig, and easy prey.
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You can have your P61, as long as I get my Beaufighter! :)
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I'm all for both! Free the Beau & Widows!!
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I would not be at all shocked to see a screenshot of a Beaufighter on the home page in the next two or three months.
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Specifications (P-61B-20-NO)
Data from Jane’s Fighting Aircraft of World War II,[37] and Northrop P-61 Black Widow.[38]
General characteristics
Crew: 2–3 (pilot, radar operator, optional gunner)
Length: 49 ft 7 in (15.11 m)
Wingspan: 66 ft 0 in (20.12 m)
Height: 14 ft 8 in (4.47 m)
Wing area: 662.36 ft² (61.53 m²)
Empty weight: 23,450 lb (10,637 kg)
Loaded weight: 29,700 lb (13,471 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 36,200 lb (16,420 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney R-2800-65W Double Wasp radial engines, 2,250 hp (1,680 kW) each
Propellers: four-bladed Curtis Electric propeller, 1 per engine
Propeller diameter: 146 in (3.72 m)
Fuel capacity:
Internal: 640 gal (2,423 L) of AN-F-48 100/130-octane rating gasoline
External: Up to four 165 gal (625 L) or 310 gal (1,173 L) tanks under the wings
Performance
Maximum speed: 366 mph (318 kn, 589 km/h) at 20,000 ft (6,095 m)
Combat range: 610 mi (520 nmi, 982 km)
Ferry range: 1,900 mi (1,650 nmi, 3,060 km) with four external fuel tanks
Service ceiling: 33,100 ft (10,600 m)
Rate of climb: 2,540 ft/min (12.9 m/s)
Wing loading: 45 lb/ft² (219 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.15 hp/lb (250 W/kg)
Time to altitude: 12 min to 20,000 ft (6,100 m) (1,667 fpm)
Armament
Guns:
4 × 20 mm (.79 in) Hispano M2 cannon in ventral fuselage, 200 rpg
4 × .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns in remotely operated, full-traverse upper turret, 560 rpg
Bombs: for ground attack, four bombs of up to 1,600 lb (726 kg) each or six 5 in (127 mm) HVAR unguided rockets could be carried under the wings. Some aircraft could also carry one 1,000 lb (454 kg) bomb under the fuselage.
Avionics
SCR-720 (AI Mk.X) search radar
SCR-695 tail warning radar
HELL YA! +10
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Dang! 800 20mm cannon rounds and 2000+ 50 cal ammo. Deffinitly going to be perked(more likely diue to the large bombs it can hang)
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Dang! 800 20mm cannon rounds and 2000+ 50 cal ammo. Deffinitly going to be perked(more likely diue to the large bombs it can hang)
Along the lines of the B-29 if not more costly.
And it's not like a plane that is really needed to fill event gaps.
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Along the lines of the B-29 if not more costly.
And it's not like a plane that is really needed to fill event gaps.
idk about 330 perks. Maybe 20-30ish. 4hogs and chogs aren't that common. And if players fly it like 38's there going to be in for a rude awaking
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And if players fly it like 38's there going to be in for a rude awaking
How do you know? It hasn't been modeled yet. :D
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How do you know? It hasn't been modeled yet. :D
I've seen alot of 38s killing themselves with bombs :rofl
and if they take the 1600bomb it will happen alot to
Actually, does anyone know the diving chararistics of the p61 compared to the 38?
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Actually, does anyone know the diving chararistics of the p61 compared to the 38?
So now you ask? :lol
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A plane with a top speed of 366mph is not going to be perked higher than the B-29. I'd guess the P-61B would be between 3 and 10 perkpoints. Enough to keep it from being over used, but not a prohibitive cost for an aircraft that will fail to return from most sorties in AH.
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So now you ask? :lol
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I would deffinatly use the 61. Basically an uber mossie right Karnak? :neener:
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yes yes yes! It's black :aok
hits hard :aok
has 2 engines :aok
and it was awesome
Btw any of you stat monkeys know the number of daylight kiLls for the p61?
I'm not aware of any daylight kills of hostile aircraft by the P-61, though I confess I'm not as up to speed as some re: Pacific duties.
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I would deffinatly use the 61. Basically an uber mossie right Karnak? :neener:
Not really, no. It is a bunch of trade offs. The Mossie is much faster and has twice the range on internal fuel. The P-61B would be more agile and carries much more ordnance. Not sure which climbs better.
For air-to-air at low alt I'd take a Mossie VI. For air-to-air at high alt I'd take a Mossie 30. For air-to-mud I'd take a P-61B.
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I was kidding you know. :old:
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- Due to the fact that P-61 is a night fighter, it has next to nothing use in Special Events.
- If the .50cal turret is included, three different stations basically should be modelled. That makes it very work intensive.
- Yeh, its American. It would further add to a planeset that is by far the biggest in the game already while the P-61 itself actually covers only fraction of a 1% of american fighter production during the war. Its a mere footnote compared to the likes of Pe-2 for example.
In my opinion the above facts are rational and good reasons not to add it any time soon. It definately has coolness factor to it, I was eleven or so when I stared a picture of one for a long time. :) After the bigger players are added, definately a cool plane to add.
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I totaly disagree Wmaker :neener:
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- Due to the fact that P-61 is a night fighter, it has next to nothing use in Special Events.Because all planes in AH are used as intended? Why should the plane be penalized because AH doesn't offer night in the MAs?
- If the .50cal turret is included, three different stations basically should be modelled. That makes it very work intensive. How is different than many other planes in AH?
- Yeh, its American. It would further add to a planeset that is by far the biggest in the game already while the P-61 itself actually covers only fraction of a 1% of american fighter production during the war. Its a mere footnote compared to the likes of Pe-2 for example. look at the production say a TA-152, less than 50 made it into the war.
In my opinion the above facts are rational and good reasons not to add it any time soon. It definately has coolness factor to it, I was eleven or so when I stared a picture of one for a long time. :) After the bigger players are added, definately a cool plane to add.
i respect your opinion, but I don't agree with your reasoning.
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Maybe we should ask for the HE-219 instead? :D
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Maybe we should ask for the HE-219 instead? :D
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i respect your opinion, but I don't agree with your reasoning.
Counter argument?
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Maybe we should ask for the HE-219 instead? :D
Fly the B-25, its pretty much the same in handling etc, you just lose all the defensive turrets.
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Counter argument?
See quote with red text on previous page.
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See quote with red text on previous page.
Ah - the red text.
I don't agree with your counter argument. Why? Because the argument you are countering is the better of the two.
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Other than being stunning in photos and in real life. For me it's the technology that was used on the aircraft. The engineering and design of the P-61 to me is amazing. From the radar system, semi automated turret, night vision ability, wing and control surface designs, the shear size of the 61 being the largest US fighter, and mostly the history of the 61 and their crews.
As for in AH, it is a plane that I think would be used by many, not only an attacker but also a fighter as well. With its range, weaponry, and potiental maneuverablity. (I say potential as I have never flown a 61 to make a true judgement)
I don't think the 61 will be such an über ride in the MA, comparatively speaking the 61 is massive compared to say a 47 or 38.
How do you mean the better of the two Sir? Are you referring to the production numbers or WWII intended design as a "night fighter"?
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Other than being stunning in photos and in real life. For me it's the technology that was used on the aircraft. The engineering and design of the P-61 to me is amazing. From the radar system, semi automated turret, night vision ability, wing and control surface designs, the shear size of the 61 being the largest US fighter, and mostly the history of the 61 and their crews.
As for in AH, it is a plane that I think would be used by many, not only an attacker but also a fighter as well. With its range, weaponry, and potiental maneuverablity. (I say potential as I have never flown a 61 to make a true judgement)
I don't think the 61 will be such an über ride in the MA, comparatively speaking the 61 is massive compared to say a 47 or 38.
How do you mean the better of the two Sir? Are you referring to the production numbers or WWII intended design as a "night fighter"?
I'm referring to it not filling a gap in the game, whatsoever. Other than fans of it's looks and technology,
the LWMA needs this toy about as much as it needs the atom bomb. It would be popular for a month
or two, tops.
Now, when it comes to filling gaps for events, there are easily a dozen or more aircraft and vehicles that
would stop the need for subbing (a major turnoff for players that may otherwise participate in events
more often). Once those gaps are filled then adding toys for toys sake may be a great idea. :)
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I'm not saying I disagree that there are planes that need to be added to fill in gaps for special events in AH. In the recent past HTC has added planes that fill in the proverbial "gap" in the plane set. Perhaps even special events could be done that incorporated the 61 and it's night time role, since there is often an outcry for night in AH. Also not every one participates in those special events, and the same could be said as for customer use on 1/3 of the planes/vehicles in AH (some that were said to fill gaps).
Again, I see your point, it seems as usual there two different side of the fence.
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... since there is often an outcry for night in AH.
Whatever outcry I've seen is not the majority (or even close). It was tried. Players complained.
HTC stopped doing it. One thing about incorporating a 'night fighter' environment that makes
such a request more of a handful that those requesting seem to realize is the modeling of
radar. That, after-all, is what made night fighters effective. Do you remember night in AH?
Buffs would ground until dawn. Players would complain about not being able to see. It just
wasn't the rousing success that players requesting it's return seem to think it would be for
no apparent good reason (since nothing has changed in the game to perhaps cause a
different outcome).
Also not every one participates in those special events, and the same could be said as for customer use on 1/3 of the planes/vehicles in AH (some that were said to fill gaps).
More would, is the point. FSO (Friday Squad Ops) sees 250+ players per frame now. It experiences loss of numbers
when events stretch the point of suspension of disbelief by subbing too much or subbing with a model that just
doesn't fill the bill.
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Problem with night time Arenas is idiots turn their gamma all the way up and its day time.
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I wasn't suggesting night being a permanent fixture to the MA. I was thinking more scenarios and snapshots. As far as numbers in FSO or Scenarios, I think hard to say why some people show or don't. It could be a number of things, from plane set, to time, to sides available. If I recall a conversation with a CM some time back where he mentioned that LW scenerios tend to attract more population than some of the EW scenarios.
The only way to accurately gauge player participation or not would to poll every active subscriber on why they play AH, and if/why/why not they attend FSO, or scenerios. I think the patrons enjoy scenerios and FSO, but that is not their main reason for playing AH.
I understand, you do not want the 61, and on the other side some do. And that's really all there is to it.
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Maybe we should ask for the HE-219 instead? :D
For reasons posted previously, it would likely disappoint.
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Problem with night time Arenas is idiots turn their gamma all the way up and its day time.
Maybe they could "LOCK" the gama to a preset level?
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Maybe they could "LOCK" the gama to a preset level?
Gamma is controlled by the monitor, not the computer.
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Gamma is controlled by the monitor, not the computer.
and I'm glad it is. My cp is next to a window and I need to change the gamma sometimes due to the lighting.