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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: danny76 on May 22, 2013, 02:11:31 PM
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Two machete and axe wielding men attacked and killed a military cadet in broad daylight in London today, chanting Allah U Akhbar and doing their best to get their pictures taken before they were shot by armed officers. Both survived. Here's hoping they spend the rest of their scummy lives in abject pain. I would place money on the bet that they are both recidivist benefit claimants as well as being weak minded cowards.
There will come a time in the not too distant future when good people of free countries will refuse to accept that these abhorrent fundamentalist actions go unpunished.
:salute to the young man that died innocently walkingvthe streets of his own capital
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Targeted because he was wearing a "Help For Heroes" T shirt.
Animals
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I am proud to be British by the way :old:
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Zack, you are AWESOMELY British!
Is that a word, awesomely?
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Have you considered a career in journalism danny? :aok Your post reads like a Daily Mail article.
There will come a time in the not too distant future when good people of free countries will refuse to accept that these abhorrent fundamentalist actions go unpunished.
Do these kind of actions normally go unpunished then? :headscratch: Or am I interpreting your post wrong?
Are we expecting these scumbags to get away scot free? That would be messed up.
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There will come a time in the not too distant future when good people of free countries will refuse to accept that these abhorrent fundamentalist actions go unpunished.
Are you anticipating this will go unpunished?
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disgusting. but it was only a matter of time, and it wont be the last by a long way. things will get very ugly here quicker than most realise.
Do these kind of actions normally go unpunished then? :headscratch:
you havent been keeping up with sentencing guidelines have you? David McGreavy is due for release soon, been spotted sauntering around liverpool on unsupervised day release ...
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Terrible, :salute and prayers go out to the young cadet :pray
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Pretty horrible crime, and very sad. Fortunately the perpetrators have already been captured, shot by police in the process. If they live, I suspect they'll get a fair bit more punishment. I spent last year with the British army in Leicester and as part of my duties worked quite closely with the large Islamic community there. Though it shouldn't have to be said I'll say it anyway - the vast majority are vehemently against this.
Our thoughts are with the young soldier's family.
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you havent been keeping up with sentencing guidelines have you? David McGreavy is due for release soon, been spotted sauntering around liverpool on unsupervised day release ...
if he is due for release then that would suggest he has been incarcerated, which most people think is a form of punishment
don't get me wrong though - personally i'd prefer it if we had the death penalty for scum like him, and the b**tards mentioned in the OP. don't want to stray off topic, but i also don't want anyone to think that i am in agreement with the trend for disgustingly light sentences these days
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Not necessarily unpunished in this case, although there may well be some morally challenged lawyer that squeezes them through the door of reasonable doubt. No, what I predict is that people will begin acting pre-emptorily,and I am.not talking EDF idiots here, I am saying if you walk down the streets with the obvious intention of causing death or injury, if you intend to damage the interests of the nation, if you preach fundamentalist religious doctrine in order to incite violence, then before long it will not be liberal politically correct court system that deeks to punish you, it wil be a hairy angry mob that will ensure you are stopped without the luxury afforded to you of due process.
And Coombz, I never read newspapers, and feel a bit afronted that you would compare me to the sensationalist claptrap and hero worship that deem.prevalent in most modern journalism.
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you've got the tone just right ;)
it'd be a great thing, imo, if people would step in more often when someone has 'the obvious intention of causing death or injury'...or even for situations such as a simple mugging. too often you see or hear of people just standing by and watching when things like that happen...i'm not sure if it's a product of the lawsuit happy times we live in, or simple human nature...
on the other hand, justice via mob can be a terrible thing too, when you consider how stupid we can be when in large, righteously angry groups. there was that random woman who co-incidentally had the same name as the girlfriend of that f**ker who killed the two little girls in his bathroom...narrowly escaped death by mob...or the paediatrician who was attacked by retarded vigilantes
if we wholly embrace the kind of pre-emptive action you are talking about then a lot of innocent people will suffer along with the bad ones...and that would make us just as blinded by ignorance and hatred as the people we are getting up in arms about
hope that makes sense i had to scribble it in a rush as i'm off to work :salute
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Though it shouldn't have to be said I'll say it anyway - the vast majority are vehemently against this.
Really? So we wont get the usual deafening wall of silence this time then ... I wont hold my breath.
edit: btw I currently live in the middle of one of these communities, and when I popped out to pick up some food earlier I heard 3 young men talking about it. They found it most amusing.
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oooh, another incident to bring hunting season a little closer...can't wait.
over here across the pond that would have gotten a lot more press and the po po would be worried about civilian retribution (which they would label a "hate crime" as if the original offense wasn't).
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The fact that he was killed by 2 men for no reason is the crime here. Not that they were screaming Allahu akhbar.
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The fact that he was killed by 2 men for no reason is the crime here. Not that they were screaming Allahu akhbar.
that would be true if they weren't chanting that mess...
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that would be true if they weren't chanting that mess...
do you know what it means and how it's normally used?
semp
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The fact that he was killed by 2 men for no reason is the crime here. Not that they were screaming Allahu akhbar.
Not quite the point, I'd say. No, being Muslim isn't a crime, nor is screaming "god is greater" at the top of your lungs, if thats what you wish. But there will be social backlash, and understandably so.
Now I'm not defending the West's attempt at ironically spreading democracy at gun-point, but the reactions aren't unexpected.
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do you know what it means and how it's normally used?
semp
yes, and what's your point?
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Zack, you are AWESOMELY British!
Is that a word, awesomely?
it is now. :aok
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yes, and what's your point?
what is yours.
semp
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@tank ace This is akin to angry young men using some vague political justification to sanctify their use of violence to avenge their own feelings of personal inadequacy. Modern American history provides plenty of similar examples, which I won't insult your intelligence by reciting.
@RTHolmes. Here's the statement of the British Muslim Council
"This is a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly. Our thoughts are with the victim and his family. We understand the victim is a serving member of the Armed Forces. Muslims have long served in this country’s Armed Forces, proudly and with honour. This attack on a member of the Armed Forces is dishonourable, and no cause justifies this murder."
Don't get me wrong. I'm a soldier, I had to write my friends overseas to find out if I knew the victim. This was terrorism, and I want the perpetrators locked up permanently and I think the substantial evidence already available supports that.
However, I categorically stand up for my country and the western way of life in general because it is founded on justice. Not mob rule. Not racism. Not social backlash. Justice.
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"...and they will kill you...thinking they are doing my will."
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"......there is no god but god..."
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Oh boy.......... :bhead :bolt:
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The fact that he was killed by 2 men for no reason is the crime here. Not that they were screaming Allahu akhbar.
Other than its patently obvious that the crime was committed because of what they were screaming :bhead
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One of those two guys was ranting on about how women and children "in our lands" (his words) had to see violence.
From his accent, I'd guess "his lands" were somewhere very close to London.
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One of those two guys was ranting on about how women and children "in our lands" (his words) had to see violence.
From his accent, I'd guess "his lands" were somewhere very close to London.
Like this woman?
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Like this woman?
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what is yours.
semp
my point was obvious...read it again. or do i need to bring out the crayons?
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my point was obvious...read it again. or do i need to bring out the crayons?
perhaps you should. the term is not any different than when we say "god grant me strength", "hail mary..", "oh my god" or the "lord is my Shepherd..."
most people think it's said only during a terrorist attack when actually it an expression that is used everyday and it could mean any of the above depending on the context that is used.
sad that misguided idiots use it thinking they are doing god's will. but then again we have had the kkk using religion here in the us as a way to commit terror. idiots will be idiots and they will get their just reward.
semp
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sad that misguided idiots use it thinking they are doing god's will.
semp
exactly, so why ask me a dumb question?
<crayon>
again...
The fact that he was killed by 2 men for no reason is the crime here. Not that they were screaming Allahu akhbar.
aaaaannnndd...again, that would be true if they weren't chanting that mess. i.e. using it proclaiming they are doing god's will.
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aaaaannnndd...again, that would be true if they weren't chanting that mess. i.e. using it proclaiming they are doing god's will.
so it would be ok if they werent saying it? and it doesnt mean god's will.
semp
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I sense a disturbance in the force, I feel the dreaded hand of Skuzzy approaching.
In lieu of this I will say one thing.
We are fighting a war on the basis of religion and ideology. Every example in history states that you should NEVER fight on the grounds of either religion OR ideology... and we are doing both. We being the west and the east.
We may be fighting for power, profit and political muscle in reality (as wars are always fought in civilized society). But on paper and in the minds of the masses, we are fighting against Islamic extremism, who are in turn fighting against anyone who doesn't conform to their ideals. And the ideals of these two groups are so contrary, that coexistence is now impossible.
If the media and indeed the fundamentalists are not stopped, all of Islam and perhaps all of the West's population will be radicalized to their respective ideologies... and then it will simply come down to who kills more of the other. And there will be nothing we can do to stop it. Mecca and Jerusalem and pretty much everywhere will become graveyards, and we, or perhaps our children and grandchildren will become soldiers for their respective beliefs. And the last one standing will win.
^^^ granted this will take a very long time. But it is nevertheless the ultimate outcome.
my 0.02 cents.
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so it would be ok if they werent saying it? and it doesnt mean god's will.
semp
Semp, you are the poster boy for the phrase..."can't fix stupid"
i know what allahu akbhar means, never said it meant "god's will", but it is used by radical muslims to claim that their actions are "god's will". and don't even try to argue that down.
you should work on your reading comprehension difficulty...i don't have crayons big enough to dummy things down any further than i have.
We are fighting a war on the basis of religion and ideology. Every example in history states that you should NEVER fight on the grounds of either religion OR ideology... and we are doing both. We being the west and the east.
We may be fighting for power, profit and political muscle in reality (as wars are always fought in civilized society). But on paper and in the minds of the masses, we are fighting against Islamic extremism, who are in turn fighting against anyone who doesn't conform to their ideals. And the ideals of these two groups are so contrary, that coexistence is now impossible.
If the media and indeed the fundamentalists are not stopped, all of Islam and perhaps all of the West's population will be radicalized to their respective ideologies... and then it will simply come down to who kills more of the other. And there will be nothing we can do to stop it. Mecca and Jerusalem and pretty much everywhere will become graveyards, and we, or perhaps our children and grandchildren will become soldiers for their respective beliefs. And the last one standing will win.
^^^ granted this will take a very long time. But it is nevertheless the ultimate outcome.
my 0.02 cents.
the media is just giving them the international stage they desire. there is no stopping the media attention unless we all want to be subjects of socialist regimes. that war you talk about has been going on since the first crusade. if we (western infidels) were allowed by our own countries to take on the radical islamic elements in the same medieval manner they employ without international repercussions, it would be easier to put them down. from my own point of view, if the enemy isn't concerned with "collateral damage" and openly targets innocent people, then extreme measures are called for and justifiable. the time will yet come...
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there is no stopping the media attention unless we all want to be subjects of socialist regimes.
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Unfortunately you describe in this sentence what the US is falling at great speed towards.
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What happened to the good old days where blasphemous words were yelled during the commission of the act?
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:pray Prayers for those lost in the fight against radicals. It's good to see normal Muslims speaking out against these atrocious acts.
Glad the Cops got there IN time to clean up. :aok
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@Plawranc - Well said.
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Semp, you are the poster boy for the phrase..."can't fix stupid"
i know what allahu akbhar means, never said it meant "god's will", but it is used by radical muslims to claim that their actions are "god's will". and don't even try to argue that down.
you should work on your reading comprehension difficulty...i don't have crayons big enough to dummy things down any further than i have.
dude step back and read what you wrote. it is an everyday expression used by muslims. it is not a symbol that they are doing god's will. muslims upon hearing what happened would have said the same thing but meaning in the same way we would say "oh my god".
and yes you can fix stupid, you just need to listen a little sometimes instead of getting stuck on it.
semp
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Semp, do you actually have that much of a problem with the concept of "context"???
if someone hit you with a car then started chopping you up with a meat cleaver while proclaiming "god is great", do you honestly want to try and say that some dipstick on this planet thinks it has the same meaning as "oh my god"??? or are you that dipstick?
whether you comprehend it or not, the phrase allahu akbhar gets used by extremist muslims as a battlecry that holds the same meaning as "god's will be done", or "destroy the infidels". doesn't matter what it's real meaning is, in the context of muslim extremists what does matter is what it's intended to do for those doing battle with the infidels.
what the two dirt-diggers did should be considered a hate crime, because it was committed against an innocent person based on extremist religious beliefs. their punishment should be as extreme and public as the u.k. is capable of doing. but because they are muslim, and nobody wants to "offend the muslims", the punishment won't fit the crime.
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no what part you dont understand that it is a common phrase used by all muslims in everyday living.
semp
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Lets get one thing straight, they were not Muslims they were dirty criminals. :old:
Its a insult to decent people to bring the religion element in to it, I refuse to accept that these people were religious in any way :old:
What these type of people say or quote is irrelevant to me because i am NOT a criminal :old:
We have had Terrorism in the UK for past 45 years so we in the UK know the difference :old:
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no what part you dont understand that it is a common phrase used by all muslims in everyday living.
semp
lol, you are either totally lost in never never land or just looking for an argument. either way, don't forget to put your helmet on before you get on the bus...
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Lets get one thing straight, they were not Muslims they were dirty criminals. :old:
Its a insult to decent people to bring the religion element in to it, I refuse to accept that these people were religious in any way :old:
so in your line of thinking, anyone who performs a criminal act (particularly one as atrocious as what happened yesterday) while proclaiming "god is great" to anyone who is within hearing distance, has no religious beliefs or affiliations...they're all atheists proclaiming their faith to god.
alrighty then...
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Yes!
So from you perception of religion Adolf Hitler and the national socialist were religious :old:
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Yes!
So from you perception of religion Adolf Hitler and the national socialist were religious :old:
considering the word fuhrer not only means "leader" but also "guide" and, an imam is a religious leader and guide...digging really deep into dummyville, i suppose one could assume that.
i'm not that naive though. i happen to know and understand that for some people religious fervor is a powerful tool in controlling the weak of mind.
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More open CCW laws would have stopped this. The victim might be alive, and someone would be loading two more bullets.
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"Weak minds" is probably a better description of these types of individuals not criminals :old:
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The criminals are in custody, the investigation is underway. Perhaps, out of respect for the young soldier's family, we should not use this tragedy to advance political points.
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I agree when people start being political :old:
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"Weak minds" is probably a better description of these types of individuals not criminals :old:
agreed...
The criminals are in custody, the investigation is underway. Perhaps, out of respect for the young soldier's family, we should not use this tragedy to advance political points.
i've looked through the entire discussion and i don't see anything political...
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More open CCW laws would have stopped this. The victim might be alive, and someone would be loading two more bullets.
or perhaps the criminals would have used guns instead of knives and still kill the person as they shot him from behind.
something is definitely wrong here. I see people in the video all standing around doing nothing including whoever is taking the video.
semp
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Apparently the murderer's parents are originally from Nigeria, and Christians. Their son converted to Islam some 10 years ago.
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something is definitely wrong here. I see people in the video all standing around doing nothing including whoever is taking the video.
semp
The killing was done before most around realized what was happening. Hell a woman got off a bus and ran to check the victims pulse before realizing the man standing next to her had knives/guns and was covered in blood.
The killers at that point where not threatening anyone else. If someone in that crowd had tried to attack them, they could sparked a much worse situation. There were kids leaving school only a few metres down the road. The last thing needed at that point was a "hero".
The men with guns and knives were stopped by a few ladies who talked to them, to calm the situation. It was when the police arrived that the men attacked again and were brought down by an officer of the law.
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Get all the islam freaks all on a big boat out to mid atlantic and then torpedo it savages the lot of them.
Sick of people in UK making excuses for their nutjob religon
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'eff it, every nation deserves this treatment if you are willing to bend down, lay down, and die for someone else's beliefs.
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Islamic terrorists are islamic by definition, just as Irish terrorists are Irish by definition and white supremacists who commit terrorism in the name of white supremacy are white by definition, but it's just not cool to speak against the entire group. My own brother is an ignorant racist, but I'd be offended if people assumed I shared his views just because I share his DNA, let alone his general ethnocultural description. If you want to isolate and de-legitimize the extremists, hate-preachers, and terrorists, forging common bonds with the greater community they come from is the best strategy available, not to mention giving you access to the best possible intelligence.
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My grandmother is the "extremist" in my family. When she heard what had happened in London she just said, rather quietly, from her comfy TV-chair: "About time we round them all up and chase them into the sea..."
I lolled.
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perhaps you should. the term is not any different than when we say "god grant me strength", "hail mary..", "oh my god" or the "lord is my Shepherd..."
most people think it's said only during a terrorist attack when actually it an expression that is used everyday and it could mean any of the above depending on the context that is used.
sad that misguided idiots use it thinking they are doing god's will. but then again we have had the kkk using religion here in the us as a way to commit terror. idiots will be idiots and they will get their just reward.
semp
They openly stated to the media that their attack was religious/politicly motivated and a revenge for war on terror. Get a grip.
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They openly stated to the media that their attack was religious/politicly motivated and a revenge for war on terror. Get a grip.
dont you have somebody to convince that windows 8 is the best system around?
semp