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Had a encounter with that thing when I was a young teen on a hunting trip with several firefighters.
Wanted to see if there where any stories you might have relating to that subject? I will share my rather lengthy story later in this thread.
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My best friend got real lonely and married a female one.
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Had a encounter with that thing when I was a young teen on a hunting trip with several firefighters.
Wanted to see if there where any stories you might have relating to that subject? I will share my rather lengthy story later in this thread.
Are you sure it wasn't just of those firefighters with a large amount of body hair trying to snuggle with a young teen by the campfire?
ack-ack
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I heard acid makes things seem different
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I heard acid makes things seem different
Understatement of the day. :O
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Had a encounter with that thing when I was a young teen on a hunting trip with several firefighters.
Wanted to see if there where any stories you might have relating to that subject? I will share my rather lengthy story later in this thread.
lets hear it
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lets hear it
:aok
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My cousin who is an avid hunter swears he encountered something in the woods he could not explain. Legends of the Jersey Devil go way back.
(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt213/jersey_devil19/jerseydevilicon.gif) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/jersey_devil19/media/jerseydevilicon.gif.html)
Evidence of some primitive being in the forest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50uZAP22V48&list=PL4C617AFBBC01D867 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50uZAP22V48&list=PL4C617AFBBC01D867)
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I have been in the wood's most of my life . I mean deep national forest and still hunt pretty deep in the Holy Spring's national forest now and I have never seen a track or anything . With all the trail cameras I have had out look's like I would have seen one by now .
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And with the boom in trail cameras over the past several years you'd think that there'd be at least one good shot of a bigfoot by now. Even with all these "finding bigfoot" shows on TV now, yet no pictures of anything that one could call proof of them being real. :noid
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My High school yearbook photo
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I saw an entertaining program that suggested we have not found a dead one because they are inter-dimensional beings. They also said the skunk-ape can sense us telepathically.
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I was 11 or 12 on the first trip. My father was a battalion chief of a fire dept at the time. On the way in we had to cut two trees out of the path of the dirt road to get in which we saw as a bonus at the time as we needed fire wood. We had two camps deep in honey island swamp On the south MS LA border. There were at least 7 men per camp and two teens or young men, me and another that was a couple of years older than me. Large group of men with a extensive hunting lifestyle. We were there in squirrel season and was hunting squirrels. It was supposed to be a 7 night camping trip. It was cut short. We were deep in the wood and were rabbit shining at about 2am. All of the normal night sounds ended about a 1/4 mile from the camp. We all felt uneasy but walked for another mile at least away from the camp. The entire time the woods were entirely quiet. I remember one of the guys stopping and saying something isn't right. The group talked about it and decided to return to camp. When we got close to camp all the night wood sounds started up again. We were all sitting around the camp fire about 30 Min's later and the men in the group was telling the others about how weird it was. The woods sounds died around our camp and 10 Min's later this chest reverberating roar came from the same trail we were on. You cant understand it unless you hear it in person. I was very scared at this time mostly because all of the grown men around me were scared. They had conversations about building the fire larger to who has buck shot. Only one guy had 12ga buckshot in his vehicle and they doled the rounds out. It yelled twice more from differant places around the camp and you could hear it in the underbrush moving around. After a while with no yells and no movement the woods night sounds came back. This area was a long time hunting area for these men none of them had ever encountered anything like that before. We laughed it off the next day in the way men do when they are scared and went hunting. Great day lots of squirrel but no Night time rabbit shining this time. In the early morning hours a couple of hours before sun rise it walked up behind the camp very very close and let out a yell that woke the entire camp. It circled the camp all night until day break just out of light range. Two hours after sunrise the camp was packed up and we were out of there. Talked to my dad about it on the long drive home. He and I both had no idea what it was just that we needed to not be there. Several years later we saw a film about Bfoot and they played a yell that was supposed to be from it and it was the same thing we heard only a lot further away.
I think this is the longest post I've ever done so say what ya want to it was scary as hell to me. We did go back the next year and that trip was also cut short.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37k72YWxDXU
sasquatch sighting on video here
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There is a ton of creditable sightings and reports out there but until I see one for myself, I just can't say I believe. I say the same thing about UFOs too. I even actually seen a UFO back in December before work one morning. About 20 co-workers seen it also, but I still can't say for sure what it was, much less if it was from outer space.
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I was 11 or 12 on the first trip. My father was a battalion chief of a fire dept at the time. On the way in we had to cut two trees out of the path of the dirt road to get in which we saw as a bonus at the time as we needed fire wood. We had two camps deep in honey island swamp On the south MS LA border. There were at least 7 men per camp and two teens or young men, me and another that was a couple of years older than me. Large group of men with a extensive hunting lifestyle. We were there in squirrel season and was hunting squirrels. It was supposed to be a 7 night camping trip. It was cut short. We were deep in the wood and were rabbit shining at about 2am. All of the normal night sounds ended about a 1/4 mile from the camp. We all felt uneasy but walked for another mile at least away from the camp. The entire time the woods were entirely quiet. I remember one of the guys stopping and saying something isn't right. The group talked about it and decided to return to camp. When we got close to camp all the night wood sounds started up again. We were all sitting around the camp fire about 30 Min's later and the men in the group was telling the others about how weird it was. The woods sounds died around our camp and 10 Min's later this chest reverberating roar came from the same trail we were on. You cant understand it unless you hear it in person. I was very scared at this time mostly because all of the grown men around me were scared. They had conversations about building the fire larger to who has buck shot. Only one guy had 12ga buckshot in his vehicle and they doled the rounds out. It yelled twice more from differant places around the camp and you could hear it in the underbrush moving around. After a while with no yells and no movement the woods night sounds came back. This area was a long time hunting area for these men none of them had ever encountered anything like that before. We laughed it off the next day in the way men do when they are scared and went hunting. Great day lots of squirrel but no Night time rabbit shining this time. In the early morning hours a couple of hours before sun rise it walked up behind the camp very very close and let out a yell that woke the entire camp. It circled the camp all night until day break just out of light range. Two hours after sunrise the camp was packed up and we were out of there. Talked to my dad about it on the long drive home. He and I both had no idea what it was just that we needed to not be there. Several years later we saw a film about Bfoot and they played a yell that was supposed to be from it and it was the same thing we heard only a lot further away.
I think this is the longest post I've ever done so say what ya want to it was scary as hell to me. We did go back the next year and that trip was also cut short.
You're not alone dude.
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Yeah I saw bigfoot once. Couldnt believe someone got tires that big on a truck.
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Well I hope one don't try and get in my boat at 3 this morning . He feel funny with 14 round's of 9mm in his head . Make that 3:30 running a little slow this morning .
I will say that I heard one around 20 year's ago going to my deer stand at 3 in the morning with another guy . He was yelling a strange sound but found out later it was a pot belly pig that had got away from a guy early that year .
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Yeah I saw bigfoot once. Couldnt believe someone got tires that big on a truck.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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Bigfoot is based off fact. A real animal called giganthropithicus lived as little as 300,000 years ago. It's a big forest with plenty of places to hide. who knows if it still exists, but when people like Les Stroud claim to have encountered a Ape in the woods of Alaska, its hard not to believe that a few could still be around.
"Well now, you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist" - Dr. Jane Goodall
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Bigfoot is based off fact. A real animal called giganthropithicus lived as little as 300,000 years ago. It's a big forest with plenty of places to hide. who knows if it still exists, but when people like Les Stroud claim to have encountered a Ape in the woods of Alaska, its hard not to believe that a few could still be around.
"Well now, you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist" - Dr. Jane Goodall
wow! now that will make ya sit back and think for a moment :O
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Thought I seen one drinking water out of the lake this morning but it was a BIG buck deer , lol .
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Sasquatch is the Indian word for "walking carpet".
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All joke's a side . I did have something to kill two walker deer dog's out of a pack of eight . Never did find out what rip them to peaces .
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where they literally riped apart or just scratched clawed up?
I had one old guy tell me a story about his dog in north Texas. He was walking his land checking his deer feeding stations for deer sign when his dog started growling and acting agitated at something in the thicket. Dog bolted after it, he could hear a large animal moving rapidly, then he herd a large sound that he described as the sound of a large punch, meaty impact sound. He tried to recall the dog with no success and wasn't willing to go into the wood looking for it because he wasn't armed. He drove back to the house on his property to get a gun and go look for his dog. The dog was already back there laying on the front porch. It was missing its lower jaw and he had to put it down. According to him the dog had no other injury's to it.
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They were ripped apart . Like something just pulled them apart . Now we are talking 150 pound gun ho dog's that are bad to the bone .
I have spent weeks at a time deep in the wood's looking for my dog's before I had tracking collar's and never herd anything out of the norm . I had some kind of cat tracking me back in the 80's I could here him scream and every time he be closer . Only time I have been scared in the wood's but not that scared . I had my trusty Browning 270 with me and a 9mm on my side . So I climbed a tree and waited for him to show but never seen or heard him again .
Now I live right next to a huge forest . I meant my house is 50 feet from the wood's of a endless bottom and never hear anything out of the norm .
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That's crazy as hell. Now if only the damn dogs would listen to commands
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That's crazy as hell. Now if only the damn dogs would listen to commands
That's were a shock collar comes in .
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(http://www.wallsave.com/wallpapers/1024x768/monster-truck/164411/monster-truck-bigfoot-x-inc-the-original-164411.jpg)
That my friends, is bigfoot. I'm sure if the driver hooked up a rope to the bumper and tied said animal to a tree, you could literally rip it apart.
Mystery solved.
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Bigfoot is based off fact. A real animal called giganthropithicus lived as little as 300,000 years ago. It's a big forest with plenty of places to hide. who knows if it still exists, but when people like Les Stroud claim to have encountered a Ape in the woods of Alaska, its hard not to believe that a few could still be around.
"Well now, you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist" - Dr. Jane Goodall
Les went to the same high school as I did,although he's a few years younger than me I knew him as a teenager.
That said I'm of the school that has to see it to believe it,any substantial proof would do. If they could find bones,fur or skin and do DNA to prove it wasn't exactly human then maybe.
I respect Les and Dr Goodall,they have their views on the subject but I need to see the evidents myself.
:salute
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Morfiend , there not real so you will never see one , lol . If they were real I would have seen a track in my 52 year's of hunting . I was a real hard core hunter that spent week's in the wood's at a time by my self so there not real .
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Morfiend , there not real so you will never see one , lol . If they were real I would have seen a track in my 52 year's of hunting . I was a real hard core hunter that spent week's in the wood's at a time by my self so there not real .
That in no way proves if they exist or not Flench.
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where they literally riped apart or just scratched clawed up?
I had one old guy tell me a story about his dog in north Texas. He was walking his land checking his deer feeding stations for deer sign when his dog started growling and acting agitated at something in the thicket. Dog bolted after it, he could hear a large animal moving rapidly, then he herd a large sound that he described as the sound of a large punch, meaty impact sound. He tried to recall the dog with no success and wasn't willing to go into the wood looking for it because he wasn't armed. He drove back to the house on his property to get a gun and go look for his dog. The dog was already back there laying on the front porch. It was missing its lower jaw and he had to put it down. According to him the dog had no other injury's to it.
i dont know what is harder to imagine. That big foot exists or that a man in Texas was walking his land and had no guns on him or his truck :rofl
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To many trail cameras out . There not real period . Wish I could go where there was one seen I camp for a month to prove it .
EDIT : maybe why one does not see one in MS for he get shot and every one knows that . Be crazy to put a Bigfoot coat on for you would end up dead around here .
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Oh they are real alright. They are just afraid of chupacabras so they are hiding :old:
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Flench you ever hunt the honey island swamp area In south MS LA border? I grew up in the woods when I was younger spent years in the woods and never encountered any thing like I did that time and the year after. Never saw what it was and honestly was glad I didn't. Ive never encountered anything like that since, but after the second year none of us ever went back to that area either. Fished the area a few times but all during the day time with only day trips in no over nights. I was young so easy to scare I guess although I had encountered wild boar and a large cat once that made me weary and nervous but not scared.Damn boar kept me in a tree for over an hour. Keep in mind the men I was with were firefighters and also all hunters they don't scare easy. Was it bigfoot I honestly don't know but it was something that didn't act like a animal normally would around a hunting camp. If it was a person he would have had to have night goggles which I don't think existed on the privet market back then. No way to walk around in that kind of dark without a light source with cypress knees all over the place without breaking your leg.
Do you mind telling me about the circumstances that led to two of your dogs deaths. Was there any trail sign around the site etc? If your uncomfortable telling the story here could you Pm me with it please? Oh and as far as shooting at it, even in MS if I got a look at it my first thought would be a another hunter in a Gilly suit. Hard to point your gun at something that walks on two legs.
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Are you listening to yourself? You never saw what it was and you never encountered anything like that ( the thing you never saw :headscratch: ) therefore, it was bigfoot :O
what is wrong with you people?
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Honestly never said it was and said I didn't know what it was. Did you read the original post? Guess I could just shrug and say oh well its unexplainable and leave it at that. Lots of unexplainable things in that area though over the years. Lots of differant story's from lots of differant sources. I cant explain it any other way and with a lot of other story's out there relating a lot of similarity's to my encounter its what I think we could have possibly encountered but no I'm still not totally sure that's the case.
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I was out cruising the country roads and getting drunk one day and looked over in this field and seen a white deer! I went to town tavern for more beer and bellied up to the bar got me a beer and said, "man you won't believe this but I just seen a white dear!" :x
The beertender looks at me and says, "yeah that's Bob Nailers place. He has two of them, they're his pets" :o
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I have been there surfinn . I have hunted all over MS . Why I live in a national forest now . People are scared to come down at night . Me , I can sleep all day in the wood's here . The only thing that I am scared of are the snake's . No telling what it was . Like I said I had two bad to the bone dog's killed but they could not shoot a gun . Never could train them to do that .
We need to hook up and go to where you had your experience and spend a week . I have around 30 trail cameras we could put out and if we get it on film we well be put in the history books . It was probable a black panther . I figure that's what killed my dog's . There was no track's the hole area was torn up to bad . Even had dog gut's hanging in a tree about head high .
EDIT: uptown , white deer are pretty norm around here . I just never would kill one .
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I don't know if you know this or not but black panthers are supposed to be a cryptid. According to the state they don't exist. There is a standing reward of 10,000$ in the state of MS to anyone who produces proof of one. Saw a dead one when I was a kid it weighed 130 pounds the neighbors hunted it down because it was killing neighborhood dogs. Oh and I wouldn't think a Panther would dismember a dog btw a bear maybe but I've never herd of one of them totally dismembering one either unless it was trying to eat them. Was it day time when it happened were you running them and if so what were you hunting at the time? Did you hear the confrontation between the dogs and what they were chasing?
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I shot at one in a tree until I ran out of ammo back in the 80's . I could see it good in my scope but it was to far away for my 270 . So I know there here or maybe just passing through . The last year I ran dog's father shot at one crossing the road but missed it .
We were deer hunting . I had two pack's of walker dog's . The dog's had been running it all day untill it crossed the road . I caught the dog's and dumped a fresh batch on it what ever it was . Then they must have caught it . All hell broke out but by the time I got to them it was a mess .
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I was editing my last post when you replied. I'm not even sure if the area is still woods now. Where my old house was, was considered the woods when I was a kid and last time I was there about 10 years ago its all been developed in a major way. Does that honestly sound like a big cat or a bear to you? Did any of the other dogs have injury's that gave you the impression it was a big cat? Not saying it was bigfoot but man it sounds weird ,especially with dog parts in the tree yet no treed cat when you got there.
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I was editing my last post when you replied. I'm not even sure if the area is still woods now. Where my old house was, was considered the woods when I was a kid and last time I was there about 10 years ago its all been developed in a major way.
That kind of happen to me . Why I got some land on the border of the national forest to build my house on so no one can build around me . All my own . All I see is a lost hunter about once a year . Game warden's came and got me 4 year's ago (some of the muppets mite remember this) to go look for the guy . After 8 hour's I found him drunk under a tree about 4 in the morning . Dude had no idea where he was ,lol but that's another story .
I still don't know what killed those dog's . Had to be big and bad to kill a 150 pound dog's . None of the other ones were hert but they were not killer's like my best dog's were .
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Does that honestly sound like a big cat or a bear to you? Did any of the other dogs have injury's that gave you the impression it was a big cat? Not saying it was bigfoot but man it sounds weird ,especially with dog parts in the tree yet no treed cat when you got there.
I have a piece of land that's boarded on two sides by desoto national forest. Haven't done anything with it yet but might if I ever get to retire (doubtful).
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I honestly have no idea what killed them . Look's like I would have seen some track's . I am a very good tracker and trapper and never seen any track's . Mite of been a UFO ? Now I have seen one of those up close . No lie got a best friend that seen it with me . Good thing I did not have a gun I would have shot at it .
You must not live to fare from me ?
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I honestly have no idea what killed them . Look's like I would have seen some track's . I am a very good tracker and trapper and never seen any track's . Mite of been a UFO ? Now I have seen one of those up close . No lie got a best friend that seen it with me . Good thing I did not have a gun I would have shot at it .
You must not live to fare from me ?
So let me see if I got this right.. The guy that is poopooing on the Bigfoot believers saying there is no such thing claims to have seen a flying saucer.. :headscratch: I love this thread, I gotta run though because the poltergiest in my house just stacked all the dining room chairs in
the shape of the Lochness monster on my kitchen table. :P
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no such thing as "Black Panthers" :old:
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Might want to include the last part of Goodall's transcript.
"Dr. Goodall: Well, there are people looking. There are very ardent groups in Russia, and they have published a whole lot of stuff about what they've seen. Of course, the big, the big criticism of all this is, "Where is the body?" You know, why isn't there a body? I can't answer that, and maybe they don't exist, but I want them to."
Me? hell I don't know. I'm a natural skeptic on all this crap because I've never witnessed anything supernatural or extraterrestrial etc.
I still can't say either way, but you'd think there would be tangible evidence by now.
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No need to choose a team. I don't know if they still exist, and that's fine with me.
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no such thing as "Black Panthers" :old:
I hope your joking .
And yeah me and another guy my best friend seen the UFO good . His name is Jimmy Knichel and is on FB just ask him if you don't believe me . I still think it's ours tho and not from another world .
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I don't know whether or not a great ape exists in North America today, it's possible, but probably unlikely.
However I have to take issue with most of the naysayers common arguments though because they just don't stand up to scrutiny.
Trail/Game Cameras: Sure there are tons of trail cameras out there today, but most of them are placed in common hunting areas not that far from sizable human populations. Let's be serious, if Sasquatch does exist, they are going to be found as far away from humans as possible. That eliminates 75% of the continental USA, they aren't going to be anywhere near the South, or on the plains, or on the densely populated coasts. There are only a few places left in states like MT, MN, ID, WA, WY, where there are dense forests where you can still truly get a long, long way from civilization. I've backpacked deep into some of those wildernesses, and guess what? Once you get more then 3-4 miles past the trailheads, I can pretty much guarantee you won't find any trail cameras. Game cameras are used by hunters, and most hunters don't go that deep into the backcountry because they simply don't have too, and also many of these areas are Federal Wilderness areas which means no ATVs which makes them less popular with many hunters.
Now if we forget about the States and look at Canada... anyone who has flown over it can tell you that it's hard to describe vast tracts of untouched forests in BC and NWT. There are areas up there so vast and so remote that it's very easy to imagine all kinds of undiscovered species. I'm sure there are some mountains and valleys there that few if any man has ever set foot in.
Never found a body/bones: This is the argument that I find most ridiculous. :rolleyes: One thing people who spend time in the woods learn is that nature is VERY good at cleaning up after herself. In wintertime in the Tetons, I've seen an elk carcass that was 90% intact at sunup, completely disappear by late afternoon when I went back. Between coyotes, wolves, bears, raptors, badgers, wolverines, martens, fishers, etc... carcasses DO NOT last long in the wilderness, and what the predators and scavengers don't clean up within a couple days, the ants, other insects and micro-organisms clean up in a week or two.
Let me pose a question. How many folks have seen bears in the wild? Of course many, many people have. In my trips I've seen dozens of bears in the wild. Now ask, How many people have seen a bear carcass, one that died a natural death (not hunters, or hit by vehicle) in the wild? I never have. I'd bet out of all the folks who have seen bears in the wild, less then 1% of them have seen a bear carcass in the wild. Now that's with bears, an animal we know there are hundreds of thousands of in North America... and we expect to find dead remains of a great ape where they may only be a few hundred??? Then of there is the theory that they may bury their dead, which is not unheard of in other primate species.
Anyway, I could go on. But those are the arguments I say pop up in this thread, I just don't feel they hold water at all. Does Sasquatch exist??? I don't know. :headscratch: But critical thinking tells me it's possible. After all the Mountain Gorilla in Africa wasn't discovered until 1902, and there are areas in North America that are perhaps even more remote then central Africa.
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losing hope every day :cry
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Saggs,
I have come across many a carcass in the bush,mind you it's usually early to mid spring and by fall most all remains are gone. BTW,I live in that vast waist land known as Canada and we have about 6 months of winter so the insects are about to take care of business for half the year!
While it's try mother nature does a great job cleaning up after herself,she's not infalable or why would we have an animal that looks like a platypus? :devil
I did once see a big hairy foot in the bush,it was attached to a moose tho. Funny thing is it kept asking me if I wanted to see it pull a rabbit out of a hat.
:salute
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Sounds to me like maybe this Squatch could be one of you Great White Hunters who claim to have lived in the woods for weeks! One guy claimed to have been in the woods for Years! You know you are gonna get hairy after a week or two in the woods. :devil Shoot, that look (and smell) may just bring in the elusive "Horny Squatch" ready for mating season!
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no such thing as "Black Panthers" :old:
Obviously you've never been to East St.Louis :old:
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:noid
losing hope every day :cry
I lost hope with people in general a long time ago . And TV all is on is Black this and Black that .
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I lost hope with people in general a long time ago . And TV all is on is Black this and Black that .
I know right? Ni one is running bigfoot and chupacabra specials any more :cry
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So let me see if I got this right.. The guy that is poopooing on the Bigfoot believers saying there is no such thing claims to have seen a flying saucer.. :headscratch: I love this thread, I gotta run though because the poltergiest in my house just stacked all the dining room chairs in
the shape of the Lochness monster on my kitchen table. :P
That's really freaky, wonder why they didn't stack them on the dining table? :headscratch:
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That's really freaky, wonder why they didn't stack them on the dining table? :headscratch:
Texas poltergeist are easily confused. ;)
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Saggs,
I have come across many a carcass in the bush,mind you it's usually early to mid spring and by fall most all remains are gone. BTW,I live in that vast waist land known as Canada and we have about 6 months of winter so the insects are about to take care of business for half the year!
While it's try mother nature does a great job cleaning up after herself,she's not infalable or why would we have an animal that looks like a platypus? :devil
I did once see a big hairy foot in the bush,it was attached to a moose tho. Funny thing is it kept asking me if I wanted to see it pull a rabbit out of a hat.
:salute
I've found elk, mule deer, bison and other smaller carcasses before as well. On one early spring trip in Yellowstone (was first week of June I think) I passed dozens of elk and 2 bison carcasses over a 35 mile hike, but I'm willing to bet by July there wasn't a trace of them left. The carcass I referenced earlier was an elk in a river in the Tetons, mid-winter. I saw it in the morning and decided to come back late afternoon to try and photograph the raptors and coyotes feeding off it. Was shocked when I returned to find it already picked clean and most of the bones scattered. The only mostly complete skeleton I've found that had been there for more then a few months was a ram deep in a crevice in a boulder field in the Wind Rivers, I figure it got trapped in there and died, looked several years old and I was surprise most of the bones where still there.
My point still stands though. IF there was a large ape in the forests of NA (and I'm not saying there is) with a minimal breeding population, the odds of running across a carcass of one would be smaller then the odds of seeing a live one, since carcasses left unprotected mostly disappear in a matter of weeks.
As for the moose... they scare me. :eek: Americans mostly seem to have an irrational fear of bears, but I tell you the moose are much more aggressive and dangerous, I think they are all a bit "touched in the head." I once left my tent in the middle of the night for a pee, only to walk straight into a moose just standing 20' from my tent staring at it, so I went in the opposite direction and this moose just stood there like a statue and stared at me the whole time... creepy I tell ya. Another time I came around a blind switchback descending a trail to find a bull moose just standing there in the middle of the trail, no sooner had we started to back up then he charged me and my buddy, we both ran off the trail to the downhill side stumbling through the brush, when we eventually looked back the moose was standing where we left the trail just staring us down with a maniacal look in his eyes. :devil
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I don't know whether or not a great ape exists in North America today, it's possible, but probably unlikely.
However I have to take issue with most of the naysayers common arguments though because they just don't stand up to scrutiny.
Never found a body/bones: This is the argument that I find most ridiculous. :rolleyes:
I don't find it ridiculous. Bones and fragments of bones from thousands of years ago have been found, Yet never one from the Sasquatch? Doesn't prove it's non existence but makes it seem much less likely.
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Second story well actually third story.
I was 25-27 at the time, working as a paramedic in the south MS area. We had one person that lived in Pearl River MS, we had to take to dialysis twice a week. She lived way out close to the LA MS border yet south of I-110 but close to it. Elderly lady whose kids did the best the could to take care of her. Her home was a rundown trailer with a small driveway(you could barley see the trailer from the road) and a garden to the side of the trailer that her family grew vegetables for her in. She had this mean mutt that was always out side under the trailer that would try to bite the hell out of anyone approaching her home until he got to know you, then he would just charge you and act like he was going to bite you.
One of the times I had to transport her the first thing I noticed was her dog wasn't charging us, second thing I noticed was her garden was trashed on the side closest to the woods(at least three rows worth of vegetables riped up). Normally they hear us coming and the door was open waiting for us not this time. When we knocked on the door her son opened it for us and let us in but he was acting nervous. Honestly you kinda key into things like that as a paramedic that has to go into a bunch of differant environments. Everyone there was very polite and shortly we were on the way to the Dialysis center. I asked Mrs smith (not her real name) what happened to her dog and was he ok. She replied with ya hes ok he was under the bed and wont come out that ole man of the woods came by last night and scared everyone to death. I've know her for a while at this point and was actually worried that someone in her neighborhood was causing problems for her. I asked her if there was anything I could do to get law enforcement involved. She said no that old man in the woods doesn't know or care about the law he came and tore my garden up last night, took what he wanted and left. At this point I'm confused and said well does the old man in the woods have a name, I'm sure the local sheriffs would have a quiet talk with him about it. She looked me in the eye and said they wont believe me because he lives in the woods. After a long ride she eventually described something that stood up to 8 ft in height, compared to her trailer on blocks, and according to her that mutt had a good reason to hide because it killed her last dog 12 years earlyer.
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Saggs,
Just so you know I wasnt disputing you just that in different places a carcass can last a long time or not!
Oh and I agree about the moose! Likely the most dangerous animal in NA simply because as you say I think they are touched in the head!..... :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I've had several encounters Moose in NW Maine... Ornery things...
Me, my wife, my Brother-in-law and his wife would canoe the lakes and rivers in the area. We would beach the canoes and camp. The upside was that few things in nature are as marvelous as a night in the wilderness. The downside was that if there is water, there will be wildlife. Up there, that wildlife included Black Bear, and of greater concern, Moose. The Moose tend to head to water very early to feed and drink. Early enough that you may wake up to one not very distant. We heard one walk by, before sunrise, not 30 feet from our tent. The rule is: Never startle a Moose if it can be avoided. If the Moose knows you're there, give it a wide birth. If he hasn't got the scent yet, or seen you, be cautious. 1,200 to 1,500 pounds of animal is always dangerous when frightened. Late one morning, we came around a bend to find a bull Moose, knee deep in water not too distant. That is why we hugged the outside of the bend, so as to see them as soon as possible. For the most part, the Moose wasn't interested in moving.. So, we had to wait him out as there wasn't enough width to get past without risk of his getting annoyed. So, we beached the canoes and had an early lunch about 200 yards upstream.
We went on these trips well armed. At least one rifle (usually two), a 12 Ga. shotgun and at least one revolver. My favorite pack rifle was/is a Winchester 1892, chambered in .357 Mag. I load my own ammo then and now, with a 158 grain JHP over 21 grains of Win 296 powder. About 2,000 fpm, Similar knockdown power to a 30-30 soft point round out to about 50 yards. Enough for Black Bear, but not adequate for a 3/4 ton Moose. That's why the 870 was loaded with slugs and my brother-in-law usually brought along his Marlin 444. We never needed to use the firearms, except when Tim put a .444 Marlin round into a tree about 4 feet from a stubbornly curious Black Bear approaching within about 30 yards from where we had selected as our camp site. The sound of the report, and that big round smacking the tree frightened the Bear, and he skedaddled. We elected to go further down stream, on the opposite side, to camp. Thinking that the Bear might return. Tim, matter-of-factly stated that the next round would have been through the Bear's eye. Knowing Tim, I had no doubt that he would have done exactly that. He'd killed several over the years with that Marlin 444. One, wasn't hunting. A male Blackie had wandered into his yard (Tim lives alongside a lake in upper Maine) and was sparring with Tim's Mastiff. It was a big dog, but still half the weight of the Bear. Tim heard the commotion, and after trying to frighten off the Bear, and worried for the Mastiff, which would not back down, he was forced to shoot the Bear. That was almost 30 years ago, and old "Bull" is long dead. But, that dog was not afraid of anything, man nor beast.
Oh, and locals have reported Bigfoot sightings in that area of Maine for two hundred years. Myth or mistaken ID? Probably, but who can know for sure?
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remember this Darwinian moment
(CNN) -- A man trying to create a Bigfoot hoax on a highway died after being hit by two cars, officials in Montana said.
Randy Lee Tenley dressed in a Ghillie suit -- camouflage designed to resemble heavy foliage -- and stepped out onto Highway 93 Sunday night, officials said.
"He probably would not have been very easy to see at all," said Jim Schneider, a state trooper.
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Messin' with Sasquatch
http://youtu.be/k8W9U0qhLz8
(http://youtu.be/k8W9U0qhLz8)
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I grew up in Eureka, CA ....aka Big Foot HQ. The Wallace brothers used to leave big foot imprints on the redwood logging trails every time the mills were shut down. They used to log the redwoods, but did not have any income during the slow periods, so they accepted money from the Eureka Hotel to leave prints. Scientists and tourists would fill up the Hotel to investigate the footprints. If the mills were down the local economy came to a halt. This went on for a long period of time. Scientists were always scratching their heads because the foot prints were so close together. You would think the gap between steps would be huge considering they believed the animal to be 8 to 9 feet tall. The Wallace Brothers were more like 5'10 to 5'11 and it never occurred to them to lengthen the stride of their prints. The police finally caught them and the story was revealed to the community. They paid a fine and that was an end to it. It was also reported they made a film with one of their wives in a monkey suit. Everyone has seen that film made from a 35mm camera in the 1960's. They were just a couple of guys With a sense of humor. They never intended to harm anyone. The people in Eureka will always chuckle when they hear Big Foot stories. If they ever catch a Big Foot, it will change everything.
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remember this Darwinian moment
(CNN) -- A man trying to create a Bigfoot hoax on a highway died after being hit by two cars, officials in Montana said.
Randy Lee Tenley dressed in a Ghillie suit -- camouflage designed to resemble heavy foliage -- and stepped out onto Highway 93 Sunday night, officials said.
"He probably would not have been very easy to see at all," said Jim Schneider, a state trooper.
yes, heavy foliage blends in with the highway
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Mite of been a UFO ? Now I have seen one of those up close . No lie got a best friend that seen it with me . Good thing I did not have a gun I would have shot at it .
Flench, why would you want to shoot at something which you could not identify?
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Flench, why would you want to shoot at something which you could not identify?
We can identify once it's dead. Merica!
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I hope your joking .
And yeah me and another guy my best friend seen the UFO good . His name is Jimmy Knichel and is on FB just ask him if you don't believe me . I still think it's ours tho and not from another world .
He is correct. There is no such thing as a "black panther" as there is no certain species that is called a panther. All cats are panthers or Panthera. A leopard being Panthera pardus, a jaguar being Panthera onca. In both of those species you get cases of Melanism in which they have an excess of black pigment. It's likely this happens in cougars/mountain lions and that gives us "black panthers" in North America. These sightings are dismissed as mistaken identity by "experts" because they have no specimens. I'm not sure wtf you're mistaking a large black cat to be but whatever. I know a lot of people, credible people, who have seen them around here. Everyone in my family has seen a mountain lion besides my dad around here just driving down the road. I see their tracks all the time on my friends ranch where a black one was spotted.
I watched an episode on Monster Quest about black cats. Had some guy in Oklahoma who witnessed attacking his Llama but the experts said he was mistaken and they don't exist. ( guess it was Chupacabra eating Llamas in a cat costume) The next on the news a lady in Arkansas had video of a "black panther" trying to get in her house. Apparently the cat was rabid and was shot by law enforcement. Never heard anything else about it.
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We can identify once it's dead. Merica!
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I honestly have no idea what killed them . Look's like I would have seen some track's . I am a very good tracker and trapper and never seen any track's . Mite of been a UFO ? Now I have seen one of those up close . No lie got a best friend that seen it with me . Good thing I did not have a gun I would have shot at it .
You must not live to fare from me ?
I believe there are panthers in the SE USA. I saw what I believed to be one while hunting in NE Mississippi (Hatchee Bottom). There were two other hunters with me at the time. Too big and dark furred to be a bobcat and had a tail which would rule out a black bear - the former would have been unheard of in that area anyway.
Here's a funny story, but totally explainable. I was deer hunting in Butler County Alabama at the age if 16 - so I guess this was 1983. We had been given permission to hunt a 500+ acre place which was loaded with game. The previous summer my brother and I spent considerable time scouting and placing our stands. On opening day, we got to he tract early - like 2 hours before first light. We made out way to our individual stands and waited for light. Just before sunrise - still too dark to see - my tree started shaking. Not too subtly either. I got a little nervous, as the noise accompanying the vibrations was not indentifyable to me. It kept happening and i started straining my neck and eyes to find the source; I admit I was a bit unnerved. Just as the the light started to come, I heard a gobble that was so loud, it scared the shat out of me. The turkeys took off just then and I had to laugh at myself. There must have been 10 of them in that tree!
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BTW, at the risk of some ribbing from this community; UFO's, ghosts, and other manner of legendary unproven creatures do exist. I believe it just as I know the sun rises in the west :bolt:
Ammo - out
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We can identify once it's dead. Merica!
That's why they never land and help you with your Sasquatch problem :old:
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second story
We went back to the same area the following year again squirrel hunting. Again we had three days two nights without problems of any sort. On the the Third night some of us went rabbit shining again. We went to a area called the half moon, It had a trail that was very straight across the top, that intersected a low trail that ran a half circle back to it. The top trail was up hill from the low trail which ran beside a low creek area. We got about half way across the top of the trail with no game in sight and one of the grownups decided we should cut downhill through the bush to the downhill side of the trail. Oh there were three Firefighters and again two teens. We got about halfway down this very slight down hill slope when we came across a old trap with the skeleton of a raccoon in it. While we were standing there looking at that something massive walked up on us just behind some under brush and stopped within 10 ft of us. All the men and us kids had our guns aimed at the sound. One of the adults called out and said show yourself or we will fire. We stood there for about 10 mins in what felt like a stand off. Finally the adults in the party started talking about backing out and getting back to the high trail. They talked about who would take the rear and who was on the front and put me and the other teen between them on the way back up to the trail. The moment we hit the main trail this moan came from the same area we were in that was well just weird. We stayed the next day had a good day of hunting and one of the guys retrieved the old trap we had found the night before. I turned in early that night and was told the next day that we were leaving. Asked my dad why we were leaving early and couldn't get a straight answer. But we were out of the woods by midday, and that traditional hunting site was never again used as the hunting spot for the 7 day trip by that Fire department.
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Had a encounter with that thing when I was a young teen on a hunting trip with several firefighters.
Wanted to see if there where any stories you might have relating to that subject? I will share my rather lengthy story later in this thread.
A thread about getting a sasquatch into the game a few years ago, to prevent spawn camping.
Sasquatch (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,309838.0.html)
Coogan
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surfinn , you must live in MS too or use too. You hunted some of the same spots I have .
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I did. I moved to FL in 1999. Did a lot of hunting in the McHenry area. I used to live in Lyman MS which has been annexed by Gulfport now.
Me and a bud were Hunting in Mchenry, camped close to a branch but on high ground. We were sitting around the camp fire just talking about where to hunt the next day when this very loud crashing sound started to happen in the distance. It was obvious something was running straight at our camp both of us grabbed guns went to the opposite side of the camp fire. The sound just kept getting louder and louder until this very small doe almost a fawn ran into the camp and narrowly missed running over the fire. Scared the hell out of us, we laughed our tail off in nervous laughter. Then the thought occurred of humm I wonder what was chasing it :rofl Could have been anything lots of coyote tracks in that area but it was still weird. Deer had to be terrified to run into a camp like that.
Flench you ever see any Honey bears on your hunts?
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No , I been told there a few bear's coming into my area but have not seen any . I did see 3 boars a few year's ago run across the road in front of me . Took me a minute to figure out what is was a first . Have not seen any since then . That's a trip about the doe ..
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Returning from a hunting trip in the forest, My family's car hits an animal in the road. At first we feared it was a man, but when we examined the "body" we find it's a "bigfoot". We thought it was dead so we decided to take it home (there could be some money in this..). As you guessed, "it" isn't dead. Far from being the ferocious monster we feared "Harry" to be, he's a friendly giant. In our attempts to keep Harry a secret, We had to hide him from the authorities and a man, who has made it his goal in life, to catch a "bigfoot".
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Man, I LIVE in bigfoot country.. Everyone I know, has spent their lives, either living or working, in the woods, in the Pacific NW.. NO ONE, has seen hide nor hair of the thing.. EVER!
Believe me, if they had, there would be no more Mystery..
Because it would be strapped over the hood of somebodies Jeep!
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This about covers it.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/settled.png)
from: http://xkcd.com/1235/ (http://xkcd.com/1235/)
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I don't get how that about covers it? Several photos videos etc out there but honestly you just cant rely on video now days with so many amateur artist out there :rofl
I have pictures of a structure that was built in the woods that at first looks like its natural and then on a closer look you can clearly see that its not. I took those my self and will upload them once I figure out how to.
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Mite of been a UFO ? Now I have seen one of those up close . No lie got a best friend that seen it with me . Good thing I did not have a gun I would have shot at it .
Flench, why would you want to shoot at something which you could not identify?
We can identify once it's dead. Merica!
That's why they never land and help you with your Sasquatch problem :old:
I'm not lieing when I say this is probably the best thing I've ever read on the AH BBS. If I could fit it in a sig I would
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :bolt:
That's two Mississippi Boyz for ya .
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No , I been told there a few Bear's coming into my area but have not seen any . I did see 3 boars a few year's ago run across the road in front of me . Took me a minute to figure out what is was a first . Have not seen any since then . That's a trip about the doe ..
I never saw one my self but saw bear sign once by the Big Biloxi river east of hwy49. Deep claw marks 6+ feet up a old oak tree and prints in the sand by the river close by. The older guys called them Honey bears saying they were black bears but with a brownish colored coat. Then again it could have been a subspecies that isn't supposed to exist in the state like the large black cats :D
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Ok so far you have my encounters. You have flench who had two 150lb dogs ripped up with guts hanging in the trees at a level of 6'. Flench does not think it was Bigfoot but cant find a explanation for what killed his dogs. So if ya have a story and have been reading the thread please step forward with it. People will always doubt what they don't see or experience for themselves.
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:aok
this thread is awesome!
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Ok so far you have my encounters. You have flench who had two 150lb dogs ripped up with guts hanging in the trees at a level of 6'. Flench does not think it was Bigfoot but cant find a explanation for what killed his dogs. So if ya have a story and have been reading the thread please step forward with it. People will always doubt what they don't see or experience for themselves.
No iPhone pictures or no bullet-riddled bodies, no Sasqquatch! :old:
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This about covers it.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/settled.png)
from: http://xkcd.com/1235/ (http://xkcd.com/1235/)
Recorded UFO sightings have gone up.
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And I have seen a BIG Black cat with a long tail . Shot two clip's of ammo from off the road at him so you guy's say what you want about the cat . It was no house cat it was bigger than a dog . I think about it ever time i'm walking to my deer stand's at 4 in the morning .
EDIT:surfinn, I think that cat is what killed my dog's . It was the next year after I shot at it . Never seen it again . That was like in 89 . Father said he seen it again a few year's later run across the road and dad never told a lie .
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If these black panthers are as large as reported, they could be melanistic jaguars. A few years ago we had a confirmed (normal colored) jaguar here in Arizona. They certainly aren't common but it's possible a few could wind up in other parts of the country. There is only one species of big cat common in N America and as far as I know there are no melanistic mountain Lions.
Jaguars were once found across the Americas as far north as California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas in the United States (7). In recent years they have been seen and photographed in southern Arizona (6) but otherwise survive only in Central and South America, ranging from Mexico to north Argentina (2). Their population is small and highly fragmented in Mexico. The highest population densities of up to one per 15 square kilometres are found in the lowland rainforests of the Amazon Basin. Although this refuge is of sufficient size to conserve the species for the foreseeable future, jaguar populations are considered to be declining in most other habitats
It's hard to say. Everyone says that before the Mexican gray wolf restocking program that they were extinct in the wild, but I've heard many different unconnected people here say that they have seen them, probably being chased by bigfoot.
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I haven't looked it up but I thought there was a species of large cat called the Florida panther. When I was younger in the 70s and late 80s large black cats were fairly common. It was common knowledge that they existed among the locals. Everyone I knew that was a hunter had either seen one or herd it yelling. One of their hunting tactics was to stick their head at the opening of a rabbit hole and to scream into the hole tying to get the rabbits to bolt. The sound was like a high pitched woman screaming. I was totally shocked when I found out in the early 2000s that it was not a recognized animal and was considered a cryptid. MS is a great place for something like that most of the state is woodlands.
Oh and flench I know you think it was that cat but after listening to your account of how the dogs were riped into different pieces and parts of dog in the tree, that description does not fit with a large cat attack. African Lions couldn't do that in a short period of time. I did look up the way both mountain Lions and Jaguars kill. Jags go for the skull and crush it Mountain lions go for the throat. What ever tore your dogs up was incredibly strong. Then again I'm assuming you got to the spot where it happened fairly quickly.
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I haven't looked it up but I thought there was a species of large cat called the Florida panther. When I was younger in the 70s and late 80s large black cats were fairly common. It was common knowledge that they existed among the locals. Everyone I knew that was a hunter had either seen one or herd it yelling. One of their hunting tactics was to stick their head at the opening of a rabbit hole and to scream into the hole tying to get the rabbits to bolt. The sound was like a high pitched woman screaming. I was totally shocked when I found out in the early 2000s that it was not a recognized animal and was considered a cryptid. MS is a great place for something like that most of the state is woodlands.
Oh and flench I know you think it was that cat but after listening to your account of how the dogs were riped into different pieces and parts of dog in the tree, that description does not fit with a large cat attack. African Lions couldn't do that in a short period of time. I did look up the way both mountain Lions and Jaguars kill. Jags go for the skull and crush it Mountain lions go for the throat. What ever tore your dogs up was incredibly strong. Then again I'm assuming you got to the spot where it happened fairly quickly.
A "Florida Panther" is a Cougar...or Mountain Lion...or Puma.....or catamount.....<-------all the same animal.(they are not black)
if you see a "Black Panther" it is a Jaguar...unless of course you are in Africa then it will be a Leopard.
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I asked my dad about this ink when it came up earlyer in the thread. He had Polaroid pictures of the one that was killed in Lyman MS until hurricane Katrina wiped out the house. It weighed in at 130 lbs which would be small for a jag I think. When I asked him about how the neighborhood dogs were killed their throats were riped out and they were disemboweled. Sounds more like a mountain lion to me. Or a totally differant sub species.
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I asked my dad about this ink when it came up earlyer in the thread. He had Polaroid pictures of the one that was killed in Lyman MS until hurricane Katrina wiped out the house. It weighed in at 130 lbs which would be small for a jag I think. When I asked him about how the neighborhood dogs were killed their throats were riped out and they were disemboweled. Sounds more like a mountain lion to me. Or a totally differant sub species.
ive never heard of or seen a black Mountain Lion.....I guess it could happen....but it would be extremely rare......(so rare it never happens :-)
130 lbs is small for a jag(depends on age)....but I would put money it was a Jag and Not a Mountain lion...and that itself is rare enough....Jags that far N.
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Arizona is north of us. Lots of rivers and wet lands in MS lots of game to hunt. Perfect habitat for a large cat. And like I said above they were common enough that everyone knew of them. My mother saw one. It was black and about the size of a large dog but longer. I saw the tracks of that one and according to the tracks it did exactly what she said it did.
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Arizona is north of us. Lots of rivers and wet lands in MS lots of game to hunt. Perfect habitat for a large cat. And like I said above they were common enough that everyone knew of them. My mother saw one. It was black and about the size of a large dog but longer. I saw the tracks of that one and according to the tracks it did exactly what she said it did.
ya it is perfect.... but we hunted them out a long time ago.
I would be surprised if it was Mountain lions....But anything is possible. :headscratch:
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If Jaguars have been confirmed recently in AZ, and they certainly have been, I don't see how they can be so sure that years ago they could never have been in the southeast, coming up through Texas.
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Jimson have you seen one your self sir? Just curious.
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While in Florida I heard some rustling around in my garden and saw two yellow beady eyes looking at me from behind the pool. Almost jumped out of my skin.
It was a racoon. A fairly big one. When he hightailed it out of the bushes he sounded like an elephant, bushes rustling, branches cracking. The mind can play all sorts of tricks on you when you are scared.
Damn racoons love my pool. They bring food and wash it in the water before eating, then they take a big dump. I kept the kid's BB gun out there in the hope I could catch one squeezing one out.
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While in Florida I heard some rustling around in my garden and saw two yellow beady eyes looking at me from behind the pool. Almost jumped out of my skin.
It was a racoon. A fairly big one. When he hightailed it out of the bushes he sounded like an elephant, bushes rustling, branches cracking. The mind can play all sorts of tricks on you when you are scared.
Damn racoons love my pool. They bring food and wash it in the water before eating, then they take a big dump. I kept the kid's BB gun out there in the hope I could catch one squeezing one out.
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reminds me of a night a few years ago....its late like 3 am....I live on top of a mountain here in NH...I step on on the wrap around deck and all I see is eyes...lots of eyes....all around one set was at my eye level :O....all glowing......I quickly step back inside all my hairs are raised.... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
like 9 raccoons all on my deck...one was on top of the railing.....thats why his eyes were at my eye level.... :rofl :rofl :rofl
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ive never heard of or seen a black Mountain Lion.....I guess it could happen....but it would be extremely rare......(so rare it never happens :-)
130 lbs is small for a jag(depends on age)....but I would put money it was a Jag and Not a Mountain lion...and that itself is rare enough....Jags that far N.
I've heard a lot of people around here claiming to have seen large black cats (a black panther). People who are close friends of mine that I know are credible. That being said all the cougars I have seen were normal coloration, ok all two of them :D, but one was very dark. For sure not black but he/she a dark brown and I saw it in the afternoon. Perhaps at dusk or under moonlight it would appear black. I'll ask them next time I see them the time of day they saw it.
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I lived in Florida most of my life and spent a lot of time running airboats all over. Most of the time in the Lake Cypress to River ranch area. Most of my airboating was at night and got real lucky once to spot a Florida panther. Once in twenty years.
But I did run across something that kind of buggered me once. Found half an eaten pig (hog) about 20 feet in a tree. I have shot a few of these and I estimated this thing to be in the 200 pound range if the missing half was still around.
That being said, I have no clue as to how it got up there. Assumed it had to be some kind of cat but I don’t think your average FL Panther could manage that. Could be wrong. Came back the next week and found a tusk lying on the ground under the same spot so I kept it. Carcass was gone without any other trace.
On the other hand, could be a Sasquatch food preservation trick. JK
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Mountain Lions don't generally take kills into a tree. (FL panthers) are usually smaller than what you will see in Appalachians. Unlikely that one would store its kill up that high. The everglades have a huge problem with exotic species though so who knows.
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Mountain Lions don't generally take kills into a tree. (FL panthers) are usually smaller than what you will see in Appalachians. Unlikely that one would store its kill up that high. The everglades have a huge problem with exotic species though so who knows.
I was thinking an escaped Leopard :headscratch:
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Yep just about the only thing I know of that could have done that. Ink did you see flenchs account of his two 150 lb dogs killed?
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Yep just about the only thing I know of that could have done that. Ink did you see flenchs account of his two 150 lb dogs killed?
ya.....
watch this....some I have showed say they cant see the creature in the trees...I see something quite obviously swinging around havin a good time.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIwgbRXgFA0
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Jimson have you seen one your self sir? Just curious.
In the wild? No, very few have, but then I have only seen one mountain lion in the wild and even that one I can't be sure of because it bounded away so quickly. The confirmation that they have gotten was from G and F remote cameras and one they captured a few years ago. They named it Macho B. Big controversy because it died after release.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20121209macho-b-cover-up-celebrations.html
Incidentally, not far from where it was caught, we have some acreage and my brother and wife were walking one evening and started hearing some cat growling noises. They got a little scared, and they are usually armed and not the easily scared type. Could have been a mountain lion, they never saw it, but a few weeks later they caught Macho B.
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I saw Bigfoot at the State Fair one time...who would of thought that a halfman half ape would look so much like a Ford Truck with big tires?
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Ink
That footage is blurry, its very unlikely it has any thing to do with bigfoot. What I saw was a blob swinging out in to what appeared to be open space with no form of support then back again. It traveled in the same pattern several times which reminds me of something on a rope being pulled in a rhythmic manner. One of the problems with bigfoot becoming openly talked about now days is all the people out there that will claim shadows in trees are in fact bigfoot. ytube is full of BS videos that are either out right hoaxes or mistaken identity. Unfortunately its one of the main reasons simple bigfoot footage of a real creature will never be accepted as authentic. If it truly exits that is. I personally like physical evidence. I have ran across several videos showing what appears to by physical structures, deer kill sites, trees that have to weigh over 2000lbs stuck upside down in the soil root ball straight up etc. Using Occam's razor what your left with is that something is out there doing these things so what is it?
I kinda key into stories of animals being ripped apart. There are several reports out there of large dogs and deer being found fresh dead and riped to pieces in the south and even a few from the pacific north west. What I have never seen on the "bigfoot shows" is a test using a pig carcass to see how many pounds per square inch of pressure it would take to make that kind of damage happen. If your left with a figure,like I think you would, that is above and beyond what a normal predator could do then that in and of itself is profe that you have something of incredible strength or a sadistic hoaxer using a tractor.
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Ink
That footage is blurry, its very unlikely it has any thing to do with bigfoot. What I saw was a blob swinging out in to what appeared to be open space with no form of support then back again. It traveled in the same pattern several times which reminds me of something on a rope being pulled in a rhythmic manner. One of the problems with bigfoot becoming openly talked about now days is all the people out there that will claim shadows in trees are in fact bigfoot. ytube is full of BS videos that are either out right hoaxes or mistaken identity. Unfortunately its one of the main reasons simple bigfoot footage of a real creature will never be accepted as authentic. If it truly exits that is. I personally like physical evidence. I have ran across several videos showing what appears to by physical structures, deer kill sites, trees that have to weigh over 2000lbs stuck upside down in the soil root ball straight up etc. Using Occam's razor what your left with is that something is out there doing these things so what is it?
I kinda key into stories of animals being ripped apart. There are several reports out there of large dogs and deer being found fresh dead and riped to pieces in the south and even a few from the pacific north west. What I have never seen on the "bigfoot shows" is a test using a pig carcass to see how many pounds per square inch of pressure it would take to make that kind of damage happen. If your left with a figure,like I think you would, that is above and beyond what a normal predator could do then that in and of itself is profe that you have something of incredible strength or a sadistic hoaxer using a tractor.
ya the vid is blurry.....obviously not "Proof" but it makes me think....and the old Patterson film is messed up....the creature in that vid you can see the muscles moving under the fur....and the fact that it has a big ol set of boobs..... :O I just dont see a suit maker making it a female.....to me that is a huge "what the hell :headscratch:"
I don't need to see something to know it exists....I did tattoo Gods name on my face and right hand :D
I would not doubt that they are real.....there has been many animals that were "extinct" only to be found alive and well.
I also wouldn't be surprised to find out they dont exist :lol
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ya the vid is blurry.....obviously not "Proof" but it makes me think....and the old Patterson film is messed up....the creature in that vid you can see the muscles moving under the fur....and the fact that it has a big ol set of boobs..... :O I just dont see a suit maker making it a female.....to me that is a huge "what the hell :headscratch:"
It's the best "monkey suit" ever created. So much so it's never been reproduced and was light years beyond 1967 special effects.
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Mountain Lions don't generally take kills into a tree. (FL panthers) are usually smaller than what you will see in Appalachians. Unlikely that one would store its kill up that high. The everglades have a huge problem with exotic species though so who knows.
That being said, both leopards and jaguars are known to take kills into trees. There have been reports of jaguars in Mexico and other countries sagging horses for miles at a time.
And leopards frequently take 100 something gazelles into trees with out effort.
I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it was either of these 2 animals to bag pulled a 200 pound hog up a tree n
One time I was in Northern California hiking by lake Shasta, and I saw saw 2'peoe running round the forest nude. Total :headscratch:nmoment
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I believe that there is nothing so crazy that it can't be true. That said, with folks on this continent having a penchant for "varmitting", which is a politically correct word for "shooting anything that doesn't require a license because...well I like to shoot stuff", it's absolutely incredible that one hasn't been brought down yet if the Yeti/Bigfoot/giganthropithicus actually exists.
Can they be SO good at hiding that they have avoided all rifle fire since the first white "Americans" and "Canadians" settled here a few hundred years back? The only explanation would be that they only come out of whatever holes they hide in during the night, and even then, with that availability of extremely high performance light enhancing and even thermal vision systems, the odds of one being spotted and then zipped - astronomical against.
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What about time travel, same argument surely?
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Gman one of things I've been told by hunters who have spotted it is #1 They weren't sure what they were looking at in the brief time they actually saw it. #2 Its extremely difficult to shot any thing that's walking on two legs if your a responsible hunter. #3 The only hunter I've ever talked to that thought about shooting it was scared his gun wasn't big enough to drop it. He was deer hunting and had a 12ga with buckshot. He actually got a long enough look to know it wasn't human. I cant think of any scenario expect in the event of self protection where you would be able to make the judgment to shot one. The first thing that would cross my mind is that its another hunter wearing full body camo or some one trying to play a trick. Last thing someone wants is to take the life of another person and end up in jail as a result.
oh and as far as the paterson film goes. I always thought it was a fake given the guys back ground. When they started to subject the original color film to modern film ability like stabilizing the film enlarging areas filtering glare out etc. I still thought it was a fake. Then I saw a very small isolated clip that enlarged the breast area for 4 frames. They actual had a organic bounce to them and very human looking nipples. It is either the best damn faked video with the photographer looking to the future of what wasn't possible at the time with film and what would be possible 40 years later or its real. Hell why even have nipples on a suit that wasn't supposed to be seen that clearly in his original video?
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Heres a picture of the tusk I found the next week under the tree. Weird thing was I didn't find any other bones. It was late at night an I didn't look real hard but you would think there would be something left lying around. I looked all around the tree as best as I could but this is all I came up with.
This was late 1980 or early 1990.
(http://condoraerial.intuitwebsites.com/photo.JPG)
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Humm that is damn strange then. The exotic species problem didn't start in the everglades until the late 90s with Hurricane Andrew which resulted in the release of several exotic species in the everglads including pythons that have been breeding and reaching incredible sizes. Also of note several before unknown escapees of what I can only assume were from local small zoos have been caught or filmed in the glades including orangutans.
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Had a encounter with that thing when I was a young teen on a hunting trip with several firefighters.
Wanted to see if there where any stories you might have relating to that subject? I will share my rather lengthy story later in this thread.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Humm that is damn strange then. The exotic species problem didn't start in the everglades until the late 90s with Hurricane Andrew which resulted in the release of several exotic species in the everglads including pythons that have been breeding and reaching incredible sizes. Also of note several before unknown escapees of what I can only assume were from local small zoos have been caught or filmed in the glades including orangutans.
I was looking through my records and remembered it was 1 year prior to Value Jet going down out there. 1995
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That being said, both leopards and jaguars are known to take kills into trees. There have been reports of jaguars in Mexico and other countries sagging horses for miles at a time.
And leopards frequently take 100 something gazelles into trees with out effort.
I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it was either of these 2 animals to bag pulled a 200 pound hog up a tree n
One time I was in Northern California hiking by lake Shasta, and I saw saw 2'peoe running round the forest nude. Total :headscratch:nmoment
Jags have the ability to bring it up a tree, but don't. Leopards do almost every time in fear of Hyena's and lions.(mostly hyena's) and let me say this anyone who thinks a Hyena is a small animal that is weak..... :rofl :rofl holy crap they could not be more wrong....Jags don't need to bring their food items up a tree, they are king in their part of the world.
as far as not finding dead bodies....it very well could be the same as sea turtles that go to a grave site to die.....they (Sasquatch) could easily have a cave or spot that they go to when they are going to die and or be buried by their family.....I do believe they long ago realized how dangerous man was even though we are "weak" our deviousness makes up for that, they have learned to avoid us....
Surfinn- ya when I saw the boobs on the suit.....it pretty changed my mind on them...and the fact that you can see a hemotoma on the things right leg....plus the muscle movement of the legs.... :O
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I've heard a lot of people around here claiming to have seen large black cats (a black panther).
I have seen 2 black panthers here in Oklahoma, one where I'm from about 50 miles north of the Texas border and the other about 30 SW of Tulsa where I'm at now. When they scream it'll make the hair on the back of your neck stand up until your completely out of there I promise you. :bolt:
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Record it puller Jags and mountain lions sound different so audio recordings will be a good start especially if you have two in your area.
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You sure it isn't one of Si and Phil Robertson's long lost relatives Surf?
In all seriousness, it can't be in MS/LA, because it's up here in the White Mtns. where those ppl were abducted and where Jeff Bridges came from.
Re: Jags in AZ, yes they have been confirmed by our G&F. Also have been protected as their presence has been confirmed.
Santa Claus gets kids to go to bed and allows parents to get drunk and laid, Chupacabra keeps kids in line and gets them to behave, Bigfoot keeps people out of the forest...seeing any patterns here?
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Sasquatch?
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/deal.gif)
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Santa Claus gets kids to go to bed and allows parents to get drunk and laid, Chupacabra keeps kids in line and gets them to behave, Bigfoot keeps people out of the forest...seeing any patterns here?
Jags in Arizona are to this day not recognized by AZ game and wild life :aok
Most people will not except the idea and or reality of Sasquatch/bigfoot unless they have a experience them self's. So yes I'm seeing a pattern.
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Jags in Arizona are to this day not recognized by AZ game and wild life :aok
Most people will not except the idea and or reality of Sasquatch/bigfoot unless they have a experience them self's. So yes I'm seeing a pattern.
http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/es/jaguar_management.shtml :headscratch:
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http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/es/jaguar_management.shtml :headscratch:
ohhhhh, I m beginning to see a pattern here :rofl
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One time, a long time ago, I was walking late at night in the dense Greek jungle when out of nowhere I hear a voice saying "you are my son, but I m not your father" To this day, I have not figured out who or what it was :headscratch:
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Jags have the ability to bring it up a tree, but don't. Leopards do almost every time in fear of Hyena's and lions.(mostly hyena's) and let me say this anyone who thinks a Hyena is a small animal that is weak..... :rofl :rofl holy crap they could not be more wrong....Jags don't need to bring their food items up a tree, they are king in their part of the world.
as far as not finding dead bodies....it very well could be the same as sea turtles that go to a grave site to die.....they (Sasquatch) could easily have a cave or spot that they go to when they are going to die and or be buried by their family.....I do believe they long ago realized how dangerous man was even though we are "weak" our deviousness makes up for that, they have learned to avoid us....
Surfinn- ya when I saw the boobs on the suit.....it pretty changed my mind on them...and the fact that you can see a hemotoma on the things right leg....plus the muscle movement of the legs.... :O
their bite force alone is just plain destructive :O
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They are in-game too!
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/Coogan11/sasquatch7-1.jpg)
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They are in-game too!
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/Coogan11/sasquatch7-1.jpg)
:rofl Excellent!
One time, a long time ago, I was walking late at night in the dense Greek jungle when out of nowhere I hear a voice saying "you are my son, but I m not your father" To this day, I have not figured out who or what it was :headscratch:
That was Midway!
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They are in-game too!
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc426/Coogan11/sasquatch7-1.jpg)
Haven't seen that sight in a long time :rofl
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I have seen 2 black panthers here in Oklahoma, one where I'm from about 50 miles north of the Texas border and the other about 30 SW of Tulsa where I'm at now. When they scream it'll make the hair on the back of your neck stand up until your completely out of there I promise you. :bolt:
You got that right . While I was down in Saint Joe in FL I had one track me down a ditch up another road and down another ditch . I could not get it off my track . I was going through 4 to 6 foot water in those ditches trying to ditch that cat . Never seen it but MAN when it screamed It sounded like a baby screaming .Every time just alittle closer . I have never been that scared in my life . When I got to my truck I got the heck out of there and never looked back . I have never went back to that area again .
You know it seem's I remember seeing a Black cat at the Memphis zoo back in the late 70's . Seem's I remember it being a Jag tho .
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Surfinn:
In case you didn't read the link I provided from AZGF, here's an excerpt:
Legal Status:
Although there are different challenges in different areas, loss and fragmentation of habitat and illegal killing continue to threaten jaguars throughout much of their range. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) listed jaguars outside the United States as an endangered species in 1972. The species was protected under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) in 1973. In 1997, with enough solid biological evidence to indicate the Arizona and New Mexico borderlands are a legitimate (albeit tiny) part of the jaguar's current range, USFWS extended the federal listing to include the United States. Jaguars are also protected by state law in both Arizona and New Mexico.
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That's good info I wasn't aware of that rotbaroon thank you :aok
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You got that right . While I was down in Saint Joe in FL I had one track me down a ditch up another road and down another ditch . I could not get it off my track . I was going through 4 to 6 foot water in those ditches trying to ditch that cat . Never seen it but MAN when it screamed It sounded like a baby screaming .Every time just alittle closer . I have never been that scared in my life . When I got to my truck I got the heck out of there and never looked back . I have never went back to that area again .
You know it seem's I remember seeing a Black cat at the Memphis zoo back in the late 70's . Seem's I remember it being a Jag tho .
IIRC Male jaguars are black, and the female's are spotted
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IIRC Male jaguars are black, and the female's are spotted
Either sex can be black or spotted it's a genetic thing,funny thing is even the black ones has spots,well they aren't really spots either they are called rosette's.
I wont say you cant find a black mountain lion because it's possible but just not common like in leopards or jags. Ink is correct in saying jags seldom carry prey up trees,that more a leopard thing. Jags have jaws like pitbulls or hyenas and usually kill with a bite to the base of the skull and the leopard usually severs the throat or spinal colum.Jags eat a lot of turtles and they can because of the jaw strength!
Long before the US west was settled Jags were quite common and the early settlers often called then tigercats.I see no reason to doubt they are in AZ NM and even Tx as both Mexico and Belise have health populations of them.
As for 200 lb pigs up in trees well escaped or more likely released leopards could survive in the glades quite well and it wouldn't surprize me to find a cat or two,lucky they don't live long like the released reptiles that are taking over.
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Either sex can be black or spotted it's a genetic thing,funny thing is even the black ones has spots,well they aren't really spots either they are called rosette's.
I wont say you cant find a black mountain lion because it's possible but just not common like in leopards or jags. Ink is correct in saying jags seldom carry prey up trees,that more a leopard thing. Jags have jaws like pitbulls or hyenas and usually kill with a bite to the base of the skull and the leopard usually severs the throat or spinal colum.Jags eat a lot of turtles and they can because of the jaw strength!
Long before the US west was settled Jags were quite common and the early settlers often called then tigercats.I see no reason to doubt they are in AZ NM and even Tx as both Mexico and Belise have health populations of them.
As for 200 lb pigs up in trees well escaped or more likely released leopards could survive in the glades quite well and it wouldn't surprize me to find a cat or two,lucky they don't live long like the released reptiles that are taking over.
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beat me to it :salute
I have read everything I could about large cats.....I have known people that have raised all the big cats...I pet a 900lb+ Siberian Tiger...... :O
never have I seen in real life or photo's..... or heard of Black Mountain lions.(I don't think it would happen, just my opinion)
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beat me to it :salute
I have read everything I could about large cats.....I have known people that have raised all the big cats...I pet a 900lb+ Siberian Tiger...... :O
never have I seen in real life or photo's..... or heard of Black Mountain lions.(I don't think it would happen, just my opinion)
I would say it's as rare as albinoism is in cats,I dont think it's impossible though. Likely a black version of cougar wouldnt have the advantages that the tawny does so natural selection favours the tawny types. Makes sense simce they are usually found were that coloration would make sense.
A black leopard or Jag has dense jungle to hide in so more would have a chance to survive.
I knew a guy who had a Sib. unfortunately his pet broke his neck being "playful". Personally I kept my distance and only touched it once through the cage..... :O She was only about 400 to 500 lbs tho!
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I would say it's as rare as albinoism is in cats,I dont think it's impossible though. Likely a black version of cougar wouldnt have the advantages that the tawny does so natural selection favours the tawny types. Makes sense simce they are usually found were that coloration would make sense.
A black leopard or Jag has dense jungle to hide in so more would have a chance to survive.
I knew a guy who had a Sib. unfortunately his pet broke his neck being "playful". Personally I kept my distance and only touched it once through the cage..... :O She was only about 400 to 500 lbs tho!
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how many Mountain lions in captivity throughout the world???? huge number...if it was possible for them to be Black we would have a live one somewhere through out the globe....at the least a photo of one...
Albino's are common enough....
the guy I knew who had the giant Siberian, also had an Albino Bengal...plus a 500 lb Lion and a female Lion..A Sumatran tiger(that was on loan to some zoo very rare cat) .a whole pack of wolfs(also on Loan to a zoo)...a Hyena<---I was very impressed with this animal...extremely powerful.....his house cat was a 60 lb Female Black leopard....A Mountain Lion (that screamed while I was there) a crazy Fisher cat :rofl plus so much more other stuff, like Camels and Ostrich...Lots of stuff...He owned the greenfield wildlife park in NH....until his Death. he was one of the coolest and baddest dudes I have ever met.....we were talking one day and I ask if he ever gets kids screwing with his animals at night.....he says "Paul....think about it....all day everyday since I was 5 I have been handling large cats and bears(thats another animal he owned a nasty black bear) how much strength does a human have compared to them????" and he just smiled that smile..... :rofl :rofl :rofl he could handle a 200 lb man like he was a 5 yr old kid...easy haha
the only thing he was missing was a pinky ( and no his animals didn't kill him)....one thing that impressed me...every one of his animals had a collar on it....... :O even the Hyena..... he also never saw a black Mountain Lion..or heard of one.....
he wanted me to run his reptile department he had like 7 gators one was all of 12 feet.... :cry :cry
he didn't like snakes......but had a bunch of pythons and monitors...
I wanted to do it for him so bad, but I have way to many kids to stop tattooing long enough to work there for free...I just couldn't do it....one of the things I most want to do (and still do)....it suked bad I couldn't. he had a 7 foot Black throat Monitor :O :O :O :O :O :O...that didn't like people very much. :rofl :rofl..that thing would mess you up :O
truly sux he is gone :(
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Wonder if mountain lions and jags could cross bread in the US?
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Wonder if mountain lions and jags could cross bread in the US?
:huh
Depends on the chromosones? :headscratch:
I would think they can, seeing how lions and tigers can
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But can they reproduce? Tiger lion combo cant but I bet the jag mountain lion could.
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But can they reproduce? Tiger lion combo cant but I bet the jag mountain lion could.
from my limited understanding, most hybrids are incapable of reproducing. For example mules
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Back to BIGFOOT.
I've had a few Pms that I'm not at liberty to post here. Most are worried about their public image, one is trying to jerk my chain. I honestly thought that this was such a open subject in today's world that people would not feel like they were being treated as nut cases.
To the skeptics on the subject I would ask you to pose a reasonable explanation to what others have experienced instead of one line stupid comments.
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To the skeptics on the subject I would ask you to pose a reasonable explanation to what others have experienced instead of one line stupid comments.
Sorry, I'm out of everything but stupid comments. :D
Oh wait... They witnessed the planet Venus and mistook it for Bigfoot. :aok
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Thanks shifty I knew I could count on someone for a one line zinger :O
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To the skeptics on the subject I would ask you to pose a reasonable explanation to what others have experienced instead of one line stupid comments.
1) Lots of booze
2) Lots of drugs
3) Mistaking other wild life
4) All the above
The four most reasonable explanations for one claiming to see 'Big Foot'.
ack-ack
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I have seen 2 black panthers here in Oklahoma, one where I'm from about 50 miles north of the Texas border and the other about 30 SW of Tulsa where I'm at now. When they scream it'll make the hair on the back of your neck stand up until your completely out of there I promise you. :bolt:
You might have seen a black jaguar. Jaguars are starting to make a very slow come back in the United States, in states like Arizona and Texas that have recorded a couple of jaguars in those states that came in from Mexico. A lot don't know but Jaguars used to range in the South West US before they were decimated by hunting and other factors.
ack-ack
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Bigfoot is ok and all, but I'm more interested in the Sheepsquatch that a couple of good ole boys from Kentucky claim to have seen. My theory is it's a cross between Bigfoot and Mothman.
Edit: Looking into it a little further it appears that most of the Sheepsquatch sightings have been here in West Virginia. That lends a lot of credibility to Ack-Ack's theory of drugs and booze.
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Kinda expected better than that from you AKAK. Your always a wizard for facts. Shame your missing some here and blowing it off as purely mistaken identity and or substance abuse. Typical though.
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Thanks shifty I knew I could count on someone for a one line zinger :O
My Bigfoot experience consisted of seeing the movie Legend of Boggy Creek in the 6th grade. Then going deer hunting the following week in Kerrville TX.So my old man drops me off at a stand at zero dark thirty with a Marlin 3030 for deer and a 12 gauge shotgun for turkey. Its pitch dark and a good hour before sunrise and I keep hearing something big thrashing in the brush... I just knew it was the Boggy Creek monster and he was going to reach in the stand and wreck shop on me at any minute. When the sun came up I saw the monster it was one of the feral goats that wandered the ranch we were hunting on. I threw a couple of rocks at it to send it on it's way. Damn thing scared my young butt half to death in the dark. :lol
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Kinda expected better than that from you AKAK. Your always a wizard for facts. Shame your missing some here and blowing it off as purely mistaken identity and or substance abuse. Typical though.
What am I missing? Big Foot doesn't exist and those that claim to see it were either 1) under the influence of booze/drugs 2) mistook another animal (most likely a bear) for Big Foot or 3) perpetuating a hoax or a con.
ack-ack
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Your missing the credible accounts of eye witnesses ( hunters, biologist, park rangers, lumberjacks, survivalist, land surveyors, veterinarians, etc)
Oh and of course the massive amount of physical evidence that's available out there. Hoaxes are a problem with any unknown simply because people love to make fun of what they don't understand. Hell they use to burn people that said the earth was round at one time in our history.
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Back to BIGFOOT.
To the skeptics on the subject I would ask you to pose a reasonable explanation to what others have experienced instead of one line stupid comments.
This may sound like a stupid comment, but how about we turn this around? Have you or they, examined every possible explanation other than bigfoot? It seems the argument is "I dont know what it was, therefore it had to be bigfoot"
I admit I did not read the full thread so if someone pisted a picture I apologize for missing it.
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Simple answer yes.
Hell most humans want to find a logical explanation for what they experienced. So the accounts that come from people who know their area well and experience something they can't explain will try to find a reasonable explanation for what happened to them. If their brain flat refuses to fit the bear into what they saw and or experienced then whats left?
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Your missing the credible accounts of eye witnesses ( hunters, biologist, park rangers, lumberjacks, survivalist, land surveyors, veterinarians, etc)
Oh and of course the massive amount of physical evidence that's available out there. Hoaxes are a problem with any unknown simply because people love to make fun of what they don't understand. Hell they use to burn people that said the earth was round at one time in our history.
I'm not missing anything, like I mentioned before. What you might find to be 'credible', I don't.
ack-ack
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( hunters, biologist, park rangers, lumberjacks, survivalist, land surveyors, veterinarians, etc)
Well I'm sure you have more experience than all of the above guys AKAK who have encountered it before.
But to blow it off as substance abuse and or mistaken Identity is laughable and shallow. typical though
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( hunters, biologist, park rangers, lumberjacks, survivalist, land surveyors, veterinarians, etc)
Well I'm sure you have more experience than all of the above guys AKAK who have encountered it before.
Even the most experienced person can make a mistake. For example, the video that is often posted in these forums of a couple of USAAF planes shooting down what they thought was a Ju88 when it was actually a RAF Mosquito. Very experienced fighter pilots with many hours between them and I think one or both of them even had kills but yet still misidentified the Mosquito.
But to blow it off as substance abuse and or mistaken Identity is laughable and shallow. typical though
It is true that booze and or drugs do play a part in a large number of 'sightings', as do mistaking what they are seeing.
ack-ack
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Simple answer yes.
Hell most humans want to find a logical explanation for what they experienced.
You are correct! But what happens when they can't?
So the accounts that come from people who know their area well and experience something they can't explain will try to find a reasonable explanation for what happened to them. If their brain flat refuses to fit the bear into what they saw and or experienced then whats left?
Everything is left. If it cannot be explained then why assume it was BF? Maybe they made a mistake in all the excitement. Miss judged size, sound, etc
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this thread should go in some kind of AH BBS Hall of Fame sub-forum :rofl
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But can they reproduce? Tiger lion combo cant but I bet the jag mountain lion could.
Apparently this is not the case with lion/tiger hybrids. I thought the same until I visted a wildlife park recently in Oklahoma where they bred a Liger with a lion or tiger (can't remember) and came up with another hybrid. Whatever the hell they called it it was over 1000lbs and pissed on the tour group. :D
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Obviously you've never been to East St.Louis :old:
Thats the truth
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Apparently this is not the case with lion/tiger hybrids. I thought the same until I visted a wildlife park recently in Oklahoma where they bred a Liger with a lion or tiger (can't remember) and came up with another hybrid. Whatever the hell they called it it was over 1000lbs and pissed on the tour group. :D
Thats interesting. From what ive read, ligers have been unable to reproduce.
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Dyatlov Pass incident 1959, they don't know even today what happened there; bigfoot, aliens;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5KmbuSrqEk
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It is true that booze and or drugs do play a part in a large number of 'sightings', as do mistaking what they are seeing.
ack-ack
No it is not true. Far from it as a matter of FACT.
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Dyatlov Pass incident 1959, they don't know even today what happened there; bigfoot, aliens;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5KmbuSrqEk
Read about this a couple of years ago. While there is no definitive proof, it is believed that most died as a result of exposure and a couple that suffered major trauma from falling into a ravine. No aliens, no Yeti, no Siberian Big Foot, just bad luck.
ack-ack
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No it is not true. Far from it as a matter of FACT.
No, it's not. You don't want to face the truth because doing so would make you question all of those 'credible' reports you believe so desperately in.
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Just watched a episode of Destination Truth about the Honey Island Swamp monster. They actually caught a Roar on film/audio.
When reviewing the sound they said "WOW sounds like a animal being slaughtered" Then they said they talked to a local tracker who said male pigs will fight to the death.
They did not say it was a pig but implied it might have been. Fact is they don't know what they recorded.
There was no other footage after they recorded the roar which makes me think they got the hell out of there fast.
The roar was not any pig sound I have ever had the pleasure to experience. If anyone here has ever seen that episode can you tell me if you think it is a pig?
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Thats interesting. From what ive read, ligers have been unable to reproduce.
Yeah, I had thought the same till our little park tour. Seems lions and tigers are almost the same cat according to those guys. I have not bothered to research it. Since I was looking at the damn thing I took his word for it.
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No, it's not. You don't want to face the truth because doing so would make you question all of those 'credible' reports you believe so desperately in.
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Sorry AKAK I disagree with you. You claim that most sightings are a result of drugs or ETOH. I strongly disagree with that and quiet honestly you don't know what your talking about. You have, on this subject made a decision that it was fake and that's it. I agree with you on the mistaken identity for a lot of reports however.
What happened to me and my father as well as the other fire fighters there was not normal in anyway. I assure you there was no ETOH in that camp mainly because booze and guns don't mix period. Hell the Swamp and ETOH doesn't mix well, good way to get killed quick.
I have no need to believe reports desperately. I don't look at everything in the woods and say yep that's a "squatch". Saw a guy once who thought Sasquatch was mimicking frogs so it must be real. Stupid krap like that gets on my nerves. Almost as much as people living in a concrete world telling others who frequent the woods that they are drunken Idiots for telling people what happened to them in the woods.
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So how come no one caught Bigfoot yet...the Lochness monster gets lonely all by himself.
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Sorry AKAK I disagree with you. You claim that most sightings are a result of drugs or ETOH. I strongly disagree with that and quiet honestly you don't know what your talking about. You have, on this subject made a decision that it was fake and that's it. I agree with you on the mistaken identity for a lot of reports however.
What happened to me and my father as well as the other fire fighters there was not normal in anyway. I assure you there was no ETOH in that camp mainly because booze and guns don't mix period. Hell the Swamp and ETOH doesn't mix well, good way to get killed quick.
I have no need to believe reports desperately. I don't look at everything in the woods and say yep that's a "squatch". Saw a guy once who thought Sasquatch was mimicking frogs so it must be real. Stupid krap like that gets on my nerves. Almost as much as people living in a concrete world telling others who frequent the woods that they are drunken Idiots for telling people what happened to them in the woods.
I think AKAK is just being nice about it. Bigfoot sightings and alien abductions seem to happen only a certain group of people.
I think from what you posted so far, the only fact is that you have not seen one.
Not knowing what something is is not proof of bigfoots existance. Similar to: not knowing how lightning happens does not prove Zeus exists. Or does he? Some very smart people and experts on lightning said he does exist.
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You are correct I never saw it. Honestly didn't know what it was when it happened and was many years later when the possibility that it could have been bigfoot came in to the picture. What ever it was, was not normal in the way a animal acts towards men and a camp fire. The roar we experienced was the same that was recorded and associated with Bigfoot in the pacific north west except closer and quiet frankly more intimidating. We didn't associate what we experienced with bigfoot until we listened to that audio years later. All we knew at the time is that what ever it was we didn't need to be in its space.
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we lived in a place called waterville Vally in The NH Mountains....
The wife...our Oldest Daughter and myself were standing on the wrap around porch....right at dusk so the shadows were very deep......our daughter was 5 at the time....we are just enjoying the fresh air....out of nowhere....we heard this sound....(I just asked my wife to describe it...she says it was a "Horrific snarl") it happened again and my daughter freaks and runs in the house crying.......it happened again and at this point...the wife is freaking out....I was just lets say...very adrenaline rushing...hard core.....I had no guns but some very combat ready swords...I almost went and got one :rofl :rofl :rofl I never heard a sound like this before.....and it sent chills up the spine....a crazy sound....
the light from the setting sun was in the front of the house... and out of the shadows....stepped.....a small fox....no lie....she (I am guessing here) was advertizing her mating readiness. it was most definitely the fox I could see her making the sounds....
if I never saw the fox I would think some crazy beast or werewolf was alive in NH.
as far as not believing or believing in Sasquatch....my mind is open to it...I have seen what looked very much like a foot print...my brother swears he saw one....I think they could very well be intelligent enough to avoid us....
the Patterson film is very convincing....the baby in the trees...the accounts of seeing them from people who are not "kooks"
also once again there are many who say God does not exist.
I think it is much better to have an open mind then a closed one.
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I've experienced the fox growl and your right man its weird. Who would think such a large sound comes out of a 20lb animal;)
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People either believe in the possibility of Bigfoot or they don't. Believers take what evidence there is and to them that is proof enough. Non believers will not change their minds unless they walk outside one night and one is starring them in the face. To me it is a possibiliy but I wouldn't bet any money on it. I do like to watch the TV shows about it though, there was a pretty cool episode on Monster Quest about one in either Canada or Alaska tearing up a fishing cabin and leaving blood and hair evidence on a board with a bunch of screws or nails in it. Then again I don't recall if any of the samples were from an unknown animal. I feel asleep on the couch. :D
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I've experienced the fox growl and your right man its weird. Who would think such a large sound comes out of a 20lb animal;)
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ya exactly it did sound HUGE....I was blown away when I saw the fox come out....I seriously almost ran into the house and grabbed my sword thinking some alien or something I have never imagined was coming to get us....then the fox enters the clearing....all I could do was look at it....just wow.... :rofl :rofl :rofl
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do you think it was female looking for love? Ive always wondered.
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Male and it was his mateing call from what you described. Females keep a low profile. I was jogging and had a fox run out to the side of the road and stop sit on its haunches and just look at me. I stopped joggin thinking wow how cool. Then after it looked at me for a while and not moving from less than 6 feet away, commen since kicked in and I walked away and then jogged away. Found out later that week one of my neighbors had been feeding it.
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Male and it was his mateing call from what you described. Females keep a low profile. I was jogging and had a fox run out to the side of the road and stop sit on its haunches and just look at me. I stopped joggin thinking wow how cool. Then after it looked at me for a while and not moving from less than 6 feet away, commen since kicked in and I walked away and then jogged away. Found out later that week one of my neighbors had been feeding it.
sweet..... fox's are awesome little creatures :aok
arctic fox being the coolest
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sweet..... fox's are awesome little creatures :aok
arctic fox being the coolest
WHy am i not surprised :D
Saw my first large eared desert fox a few years back. Simply awesome and cute :bolt:
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Bigfoot sightings and alien abductions seem to happen only a certain group of people.
I really don't get that impression from most of the eyewitness accounts of Sasquatch.
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Agreed slash. Most that have real encounters wont ever forget them. One of the reasons I have 4 Pms from players about this subject, is the public association about being a nut bag if you dare say you saw and or experianced something you can't explain. They don't wish to be publicly ridiculed.
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I really don't get that impression from most of the eyewitness accounts of Sasquatch.
Surf is right about the human mind trying to explain everything. Problem is when it cant, it makes things up. Dont know what causes volcanoes? We made a god for it. Lightning? Made a god fir it. Storms? Made a god for it. Noise in the forest? chupacubra or bigfoot.
Logically, it is impossible for them to exist in all these different environments and manage to be invisible. A population needs to have a critical mass in order to survive. So, if bf exists, we have to be taking about a population in the 1000s right? They need to cone out for food fund bf gfs etc. What do they do with their dead? How about 'nests'? If they are so smart hide from us they must have 'villages' or something simmilar.
There is one very good reason nothing has never been found. I ll let akak explain it lol
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do not bring logic into this thread dedalos, it has no place here
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I was 11 or 12 on the first trip. My father was a battalion chief of a fire dept at the time. On the way in we had to cut two trees out of the path of the dirt road to get in which we saw as a bonus at the time as we needed fire wood. We had two camps deep in honey island swamp On the south MS LA border. There were at least 7 men per camp and two teens or young men, me and another that was a couple of years older than me. Large group of men with a extensive hunting lifestyle. We were there in squirrel season and was hunting squirrels. It was supposed to be a 7 night camping trip. It was cut short. We were deep in the wood and were rabbit shining at about 2am. All of the normal night sounds ended about a 1/4 mile from the camp. We all felt uneasy but walked for another mile at least away from the camp. The entire time the woods were entirely quiet. I remember one of the guys stopping and saying something isn't right. The group talked about it and decided to return to camp. When we got close to camp all the night wood sounds started up again. We were all sitting around the camp fire about 30 Min's later and the men in the group was telling the others about how weird it was. The woods sounds died around our camp and 10 Min's later this chest reverberating roar came from the same trail we were on. You cant understand it unless you hear it in person. I was very scared at this time mostly because all of the grown men around me were scared. They had conversations about building the fire larger to who has buck shot. Only one guy had 12ga buckshot in his vehicle and they doled the rounds out. It yelled twice more from differant places around the camp and you could hear it in the underbrush moving around. After a while with no yells and no movement the woods night sounds came back. This area was a long time hunting area for these men none of them had ever encountered anything like that before. We laughed it off the next day in the way men do when they are scared and went hunting. Great day lots of squirrel but no Night time rabbit shining this time. In the early morning hours a couple of hours before sun rise it walked up behind the camp very very close and let out a yell that woke the entire camp. It circled the camp all night until day break just out of light range. Two hours after sunrise the camp was packed up and we were out of there. Talked to my dad about it on the long drive home. He and I both had no idea what it was just that we needed to not be there. Several years later we saw a film about Bfoot and they played a yell that was supposed to be from it and it was the same thing we heard only a lot further away.
I think this is the longest post I've ever done so say what ya want to it was scary as hell to me. We did go back the next year and that trip was also cut short.
Wasn't this an episode of that show from the 80's "Touched by an Uncle?"
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Surf is right about the human mind trying to explain everything. Problem is when it cant, it makes things up. Dont know what causes volcanoes? We made a god for it. Lightning? Made a god fir it. Storms? Made a god for it. Noise in the forest? chupacubra or bigfoot.
Logically, it is impossible for them to exist in all these different environments and manage to be invisible. They need to cone out for food fund bf gfs etc. What do they do with their dead? How about 'nests'? If they are so smart hide from us they must have 'villages' or something simmilar.
First comment is out of context. 2nd comment is also not correct. The individuals I listed are use to the flora and fauna in the areas they frequent. The whole Greek age BS about gods is flat insulting. They do not live invisibly they are seen. They do come out for easy food at times. Nest and wood structures have been found in several of the areas that have sightings. Some probably were made by humans for one reason or the other but some defies explanation. Mostly due to the size of the timber used to make it and the way it was placed.
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First comment is out of context. 2nd comment is also not correct. The individuals I listed are use to the flora and fauna in the areas they frequent. The whole Greek age BS about gods is flat insulting. They do not live invisibly they are seen. They do come out for easy food at times. Nest and wood structures have been found in several of the areas that have sightings. Some probably were made by humans for one reason or the other but some defies explanation. Mostly due to the size of the timber used to make it and the way it was placed.
why are they insulting? They are perfect examples of what the human mind does when it tries to explain things it cant. In later times we had witches that the experts agreed upon, alien abductions, bigfoots you name it. Now that I think about it, Noah would have had to find two of them, put them in the boat, and them hide them in the US after the flood. Another true story lol
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I was 11 or 12 on the first trip. My father was a battalion chief of a fire dept at the time. On the way in we had to cut two trees out of the path of the dirt road to get in which we saw as a bonus at the time as we needed fire wood. We had two camps deep in honey island swamp On the south MS LA border. There were at least 7 men per camp and two teens or young men, me and another that was a couple of years older than me. Large group of men with a extensive hunting lifestyle. We were there in squirrel season and was hunting squirrels. It was supposed to be a 7 night camping trip. It was cut short. We were deep in the wood and were rabbit shining at about 2am. All of the normal night sounds ended about a 1/4 mile from the camp. We all felt uneasy but walked for another mile at least away from the camp. The entire time the woods were entirely quiet. I remember one of the guys stopping and saying something isn't right. The group talked about it and decided to return to camp. When we got close to camp all the night wood sounds started up again. We were all sitting around the camp fire about 30 Min's later and the men in the group was telling the others about how weird it was. The woods sounds died around our camp and 10 Min's later this chest reverberating roar came from the same trail we were on. You cant understand it unless you hear it in person. I was very scared at this time mostly because all of the grown men around me were scared. They had conversations about building the fire larger to who has buck shot. Only one guy had 12ga buckshot in his vehicle and they doled the rounds out. It yelled twice more from differant places around the camp and you could hear it in the underbrush moving around. After a while with no yells and no movement the woods night sounds came back. This area was a long time hunting area for these men none of them had ever encountered anything like that before. We laughed it off the next day in the way men do when they are scared and went hunting. Great day lots of squirrel but no Night time rabbit shining this time. In the early morning hours a couple of hours before sun rise it walked up behind the camp very very close and let out a yell that woke the entire camp. It circled the camp all night until day break just out of light range. Two hours after sunrise the camp was packed up and we were out of there. Talked to my dad about it on the long drive home. He and I both had no idea what it was just that we needed to not be there. Several years later we saw a film about Bfoot and they played a yell that was supposed to be from it and it was the same thing we heard only a lot further away.
I think this is the longest post I've ever done so say what ya want to it was scary as hell to me. We did go back the next year and that trip was also cut short.
You, and others in your party have been had.
1. Another human that you either know or don't know is still laughing because he scared the crap out of you.
2. It was an animal and because you and your friends had already been freaked out "because it was suddenly quiet" the sound it made scared the crap out of you and your friends.
3. Your mind over time has changed what really happened and your observations are no longer a memory but have changed to a fantasized memory.
What happened the next day? Find any tracks? How about offal? Hair snagged on a branch? A 50 pound dog cant go through the woods without leaving some evidence and you think this 7 foot, 400 pound beast can move like fog? Why, because he's smarter than a dog? Are you smarter than a dog? Are you smarter than this phantom? Can you go through the woods and leave no evidence?
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why are they insulting? They are perfect examples of what the human mind does when it tries to explain things it cant. In later times we had witches that the experts agreed upon, alien abductions, bigfoots you name it. Now that I think about it, Noah would have had to find two of them, put them in the boat, and them hide them in the US after the flood. Another true story lol
To be fair a Bigfoot like creature was at one point walking the earth, possibly at the same time as humans . So in your hypothetical Ark scenario, yes it's fair to say there may have been a Bigfoot. :aok
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To be fair a Bigfoot like creature was at one point walking the earth, possibly at the same time as humans . So in your hypothetical Ark scenario, yes it's fair to say there may have been a Bigfoot. :aok
long walk eh? :bhead
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What if Sasquatch missed the Ark along with the Unicorns?
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Do we assume this is a dumb animal? How about a smart animal with a large brain that can sense or smell you humans from miles away? You can disappear in the wild even though you are being sought:
Bio: Troy James Knapp has been evading capture for nearly seven years. Funny thing is, police didn't even know who they were tracking until early 2012. The legend of the mysterious "Utah Mountain Man" began in 2006 with a series of break-ins of high resort style cabins. He stole from the rich, and kept all his loot for himself. Over the seven years he stole from an area the size of Delaware. Authorities attempting to track him would think they were close one day, only to find out there was another cabin break-in fifteen miles away later that day. This guy would get by making shelters from anything and everything: tarps, caves, earth mounds, but most notoriously in seasonal cabins.
So how did police catch a guy who they couldn't identify? Well in 2012 he finally started to slip. Not only was he starting to leave clues, but he was caught on a hidden game camera. This image is from early in the year when officials were finally able to pin the criminal as Troy Knapp.
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e122/zoonursery/bigfoot.jpg) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/zoonursery/media/bigfoot.jpg.html)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/decogrl/moving_bigfoot.gif) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/decogrl/media/moving_bigfoot.gif.html)
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What if Sasquatch missed the Ark along with the Unicorns?
dont be silly. Unicorns are not real. Bigfoots are :old:
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Edit: moody little girl post from someone who needs a nap. Sorry Ded.
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Yes dickhead. I'm an irrational savage who worships the sun god, sacrifices babies so the cops will grow, and live near the dragons villiage right down the street from the unicorn graveyard.
lol, relax man, just examples of what the human mind does in order to explain things. I did not mean to say anything of what you wrote above or that you do any of it.
But you have to admit, what you wrote has been done and everyone agreed those things were real and people claimed to have seen dragons or have conversations with sun god, actually any god.
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Zoney
1. Impossible for another human to walk without a light source in pitch black with cypress knees sticking up all over the place. The roar was far greater and longer than a human would be capable of.
2. Again its possible I was 11-or 12 at the time but even at that age I was familiar with the normal sounds of the woods at night. The Men I was with don't scare easy. Hell the go into burning buildings for a living and for fun. All experienced long time hunters and it had them grabbing guns with the first yell. If it was a animal it was one they never encountered before.
3. I am older now so its possible that my memory has been altered over time. For instance I cant remember the exact words of several of the firefighters now. I do remember the yell quiet clearly and the large animal circling the camp the following evening. Intense moments burn a deeper memory then everyday moments.
Yes I can move through the woods leaving very little trace. A pro tracker would be able to see signs of me but the average hunter wouldn't be able to. We did look for tracks after the incident but with the heavy leaf litter was only able to see a surface disturbance. Which could have been anything.
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Zoney
1. Impossible for another human to walk without a light source in pitch black with cypress knees sticking up all over the place. The roar was far greater and longer than a human would be capable of.
2. Again its possible I was 11-or 12 at the time but even at that age I was familiar with the normal sounds of the woods at night. The Men I was with don't scare easy. Hell the go into burning buildings for a living and for fun. All experienced long time hunters and it had them grabbing guns with the first yell. If it was a animal it was one they never encountered before.
3. I am older now so its possible that my memory has been altered over time. For instance I cant remember the exact words of several of the firefighters now. I do remember the yell quiet clearly and the large animal circling the camp the following evening. Intense moments burn a deeper memory then everyday moments.
Yes I can move through the woods leaving very little trace. A pro tracker would be able to see signs of me but the average hunter wouldn't be able to. We did look for tracks after the incident but with the heavy leaf litter was only able to see a surface disturbance. Which could have been anything.
Fair enough <S>
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What if Sasquatch missed the Ark along with the Unicorns?
U mean Scotland's national animal? Not likley.
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Zoney
1. Impossible for another human to walk without a light source in pitch black with cypress knees sticking up all over the place. The roar was far greater and longer than a human would be capable of.
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2. Again its possible I was 11-or 12 at the time but even at that age I was familiar with the normal sounds of the woods at night. The Men I was with don't scare easy. Hell the go into burning buildings for a living and for fun. All experienced long time hunters and it had them grabbing guns with the first yell. If it was a animal it was one they never encountered before.
Well, if you were 11 you did not really have match of a clue. And I don;t mean that as an insult. Just because you were 11. The question now is, had they recognized the sounds wouldn;t they go for the guns anyway? Sounds more of a case of lets scare the kid than anything else.
3. I am older now so its possible that my memory has been altered over time. For instance I cant remember the exact words of several of the firefighters now. I do remember the yell quiet clearly and the large animal circling the camp the following evening. Intense moments burn a deeper memory then everyday moments.
Yes I can move through the woods leaving very little trace. A pro tracker would be able to see signs of me but the average hunter wouldn't be able to. We did look for tracks after the incident but with the heavy leaf litter was only able to see a surface disturbance. Which could have been anything.
Highlighted your logical conclusions. Welcome to the club :D
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lol, relax man, just examples of what the human mind does in order to explain things. I did not mean to say anything of what you wrote above or that you do any of it.
But you have to admit, what you wrote has been done and everyone agreed those things were real and people claimed to have seen dragons or have conversations with sun god, actually any god.
I talk to our creator every day...... :aok
my life is proof in God's existence....I would love to get into it, but I respect HTC's rules about religion so I wont say anymore about it....if you truly feel that there is no god.... ask me why I say you are wrong in a PM.
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I talk to our creator every day...... :aok
my life is proof in God's existence....I would love to get into it, but I respect HTC's rules about religion so I wont say anymore about it....if you truly feel that there is no god.... ask me why I say you are wrong in a PM.
Hey, can you om me? My phone wont send the message
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Well, if you were 11 you did not really have match of a clue. And I don;t mean that as an insult. Just because you were 11. The question now is, had they recognized the sounds wouldn;t they go for the guns anyway? Sounds more of a case of lets scare the kid than anything else.
Highlighted your logical conclusions. Welcome to the club :D
No It was obvious they were scared and as a kid it scared me that the grown men around me were genuinely scared. I'm an adult now and have asked my father several times over the years if that was some kind of joke. He replies with no it wasn't and why do you think we left early the way we did? My father is over 60 now and quite frankly has no reason to lie to me about a childish prank at this point. Firefighters are well known for pulling jokes but when there are weapons involved its never a good idea and wouldn't have been a option with these guys.
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I swore I saw a few snipes last night :noid
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I swore I saw a few snipes last night :noid
If you live anywhere near the Pacific coast, you'll see them a lot.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Common_snipe_fencepost.jpg)
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I swore I saw a few snipes last night :noid
As someone who's led a lot of snipe hunts in my youth, it's always amazed me how people think they're mythical, non-existent critters...
I've shot them during our open season, and have even had various falcons chase them (they're very fast and maneuverable though, quite difficult for most falcons to catch).
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we lived in a place called waterville Vally in The NH Mountains....
The wife...our Oldest Daughter and myself were standing on the wrap around porch....right at dusk so the shadows were very deep......our daughter was 5 at the time....we are just enjoying the fresh air....out of nowhere....we heard this sound....(I just asked my wife to describe it...she says it was a "Horrific snarl") it happened again and my daughter freaks and runs in the house crying.......it happened again and at this point...the wife is freaking out....I was just lets say...very adrenaline rushing...hard core.....I had no guns but some very combat ready swords...I almost went and got one :rofl :rofl :rofl I never heard a sound like this before.....and it sent chills up the spine....a crazy sound....
the light from the setting sun was in the front of the house... and out of the shadows....stepped.....a small fox....no lie....she (I am guessing here) was advertizing her mating readiness. it was most definitely the fox I could see her making the sounds....
if I never saw the fox I would think some crazy beast or werewolf was alive in NH.
as far as not believing or believing in Sasquatch....my mind is open to it...I have seen what looked very much like a foot print...my brother swears he saw one....I think they could very well be intelligent enough to avoid us....
the Patterson film is very convincing....the baby in the trees...the accounts of seeing them from people who are not "kooks"
also once again there are many who say God does not exist.
I think it is much better to have an open mind then a closed one.
I hear foxes vocalizing quite frequently.
I live on a 400 acre Boy Scout camp, and we have red and grey foxes, as well as coyotes, and an occasional wolf has even been known to pass through. The noises the wolves and coyotes make are pretty "expected" and although they make my wife, kids and dogs nervous, they're not really all that alarming, and you KNOW what you're hearing.
Foxes? Those are an entirely different story...
Hearing a fox vocalize when you know they're there and are likely to make some noise (like when I'm out predator calling at night) is enough to make a grown man come perilously close to soiling his armor.
Hearing one vocalize when you least expect it is enough to make the hair on your head, neck, and shoulders stand on end. I've had grown men out predator calling with me that just plain wouldn't go out again after hearing one.
Foxes sound like some almost-human, demon-like critter of at least 400#. Or sometimes a woman screaming for help. Or some type of banshee-critter. They sound B A D !
Worse yet, the dang things will actually APPROACH you while vocalizing! Or more accurately, will get closer between vocalizations. The effect is that you first hear one, freeze in your tracks, and wonder "WHAT THE ^&%$ WAS THAT!!!). Of course, you wonder that silently to yourself for two reasons... First, you sure don't want to draw its attention to you, and second, you don't want anyone you're with to hear the fear in your voice. Then you just listen to the silence and wonder what to do next... Are you seriously contemplating leaving the night woods just because you heard something? Are you actually scared of something you just heard?? Could it be someone playing tricks on you in the dark???
Then, it calls again! But it's closer now! And no way is it human!
But it sounds "almost" human! A demon? Sasquatch? What in the blazes IS it?
A small dog-like critter will never enter your mind... If it does, because someone's told you of a similar experience, it's immediately dismissed... This sound/instance is WAY WORSE than anything you can ever a lil' dog-like, almost cat-like critter could make. This is BAD!
Hearing one while you're out in the woods at night, just once, is enough to ingrain it forever in your head. You won't forget it! I can EASILY see where people that hear these things think they're hearing sasquatch.
Surfinn's story at the beginning of the thread just screams out at me as "fox". It's almost word-for-word the same as I've experienced several times, and I'd even speculate it's a grey fox rather than a red that's to blame.
Foxes are also interesting in that in almost every case, people who spend TONS of time in the woods hunting, fishing, trapping, camping, etc, and who know "everything there is to know about the woods and what's in them" won't have a clue about what a fox sounds (or can sound) like. And because of the variety of their calls, even if they do "know" what a fox sounds like, they may only be familiar with the more dog-like barks, etc. This, IMO, sets fox up to be an ideal "sasquatch".
As someone who's done a fair share of fox trapping, I know that grey fox in particular are attracted to campsites. In particular, they're attracted to the fire ring, and I've had them come in on me twice at night while I've been tending a fire. They'll come right in to within a few yards of you, and give out that blasted scream. They're not overly concerned with your presence, and are attracted by the scent of the smoke/coals. I used to bed my traps in an old campfire, make a small burn on top of it, and place some scent there. The fox is attracted to the site by the fire scar, and digs near the scent...
This is a pretty cool site that has a lot of fox recordings on it.
http://www.angelfire.com/ar2/thefoxden/sounds.html
While I've heard many different varieties of calling, these are some of the ones I hear around here...
http://www.angelfire.com/ar2/thefoxden/fox_territory_call.wav
and the one in the last third of this recording...
http://www.angelfire.com/ar2/thefoxden/faroffcry.wav
Most of the time when we hear them around here, they only call once, and then are silent for @ thirty seconds before calling again. That gives you some time between calls to stand there and wonder about it, lol...
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thats awesome mtnman, ive had my share of being in the woods....but when I heard that....I seriously almost grabbed my sword thinking I would be fighting some creature from hell :rofl :rofl :rofl
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thats awesome mtnman, ive had my share of being in the woods....but when I heard that....I seriously almost grabbed my sword thinking I would be fighting some creature from hell :rofl :rofl :rofl
That would be funny as hell to see. :rofl
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I listed to a few of those calls and all of the gray fox calls.
The roar we herd was nothing like a fox. I will say that those things sound like they are a large predator and it is hard to think of its calls as coming from a 20 pound cannine :rofl
When I said that you could feel it in your chest that was not a exaggeration. Have you ever been close to thunder and felt the sound wave pass through you. It was a lot like that. Except longer.
The closest sound I've herd to what we experienced was a recording of a unknown vocalization that was attributed to BF. It was differant from that vocalization as it sounded a lot more aggressive.
Destination truth did a investigation in the Honey Island swamp and caught two roars. They implied but did not say the vocalization came from a pig. If it was then it was the strangest damn pig I've ever herd :D
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That would be funny as hell to see. :rofl
its funny now...but damn I would have felt bad if some guy was in a suit playing a prank.... :O
he woulda looked quite stupid missing a head. :O
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They were ripped apart . Like something just pulled them apart . Now we are talking 150 pound gun ho dog's that are bad to the bone .
I have spent weeks at a time deep in the wood's looking for my dog's before I had tracking collar's and never herd anything out of the norm . I had some kind of cat tracking me back in the 80's I could here him scream and every time he be closer . Only time I have been scared in the wood's but not that scared . I had my trusty Browning 270 with me and a 9mm on my side . So I climbed a tree and waited for him to show but never seen or heard him again .
Now I live right next to a huge forest . I meant my house is 50 feet from the wood's of a endless bottom and never hear anything out of the norm .
in 2009 i was on a UKC hunt near Longville, La. We turned out the Walkers at about 9:30 p.m. and waited for them to strike (get on a trail) which didn't take long. We started heading into the woods and after about 5 min the dogs when quiet real quick..... all of 5 of them. We keep moving in to locate them when they blazed past us at full run headed back towards the trucks. Standing there scratching our heads wondering what the hell was going on we were overcome but the most musky stench i ever smelled followed by something very close breathing real heavy and making a growling type noise I've never heard and at 45 years old I've heard everything in these parts. the oldest fella on the hunt, about 70, said it was a Skunk Ape and we need to get our arse back to the trucks.i wanted to go in and try to see it but the old man let me know it'd be a long walk back to Longville for me if I did. Anybody that coon hunts knows the only way to get a hound off a hot trail and back to the truck is on a leash (dragging him most of the way). When we got back to the trucks all the dogs were hiding in their kennels except for one that was hiding under the toolbox.
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I listed to a few of those calls and all of the gray fox calls.
The roar we herd was nothing like a fox. I will say that those things sound like they are a large predator and it is hard to think of its calls as coming from a 20 pound cannine :rofl
When I said that you could feel it in your chest that was not a exaggeration. Have you ever been close to thunder and felt the sound wave pass through you. It was a lot like that. Except longer.
The closest sound I've herd to what we experienced was a recording of a unknown vocalization that was attributed to BF. It was differant from that vocalization as it sounded a lot more aggressive.
Destination truth did a investigation in the Honey Island swamp and caught two roars. They implied but did not say the vocalization came from a pig. If it was then it was the strangest damn pig I've ever herd :D
I wasn't there, so of course I don't know.
I will tell you though that a fox call in real life can be ridiculously loud, especially close up. I've also never heard a 20lb fox, most of ours are in the 8-12lb range. The weight doesn't seem to matter much though, as I've never heard my 50# GSH pointer or 15# JRT make any sounds as loud as I've heard from a fox.
I doubt you can get your speakers (with those recordings) to give an equivalent volume to a live fox.
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in 2009 i was on a UKC hunt near Longville, La. We turned out the Walkers at about 9:30 p.m. and waited for them to strike (get on a trail) which didn't take long. We started heading into the woods and after about 5 min the dogs when quiet real quick..... all of 5 of them. We keep moving in to locate them when they blazed past us at full run headed back towards the trucks. Standing there scratching our heads wondering what the hell was going on we were overcome but the most musky stench i ever smelled followed by something very close breathing real heavy and making a growling type noise I've never heard and at 45 years old I've heard everything in these parts. the oldest fella on the hunt, about 70, said it was a Skunk Ape and we need to get our arse back to the trucks.i wanted to go in and try to see it but the old man let me know it'd be a long walk back to Longville for me if I did. Anybody that coon hunts knows the only way to get a hound off a hot trail and back to the truck is on a leash (dragging him most of the way). When we got back to the trucks all the dogs were hiding in their kennels except for one that was hiding under the toolbox.
A fox wouldn't have scared the dogs, that's for sure...
I've always found the "skunk ape" thing interesting though, because of the noise and smell factors (with an obvious lack of visual evidence to back it up). Not only do fox make some very loud, odd noises, they also can smell extremely strong, and almost exactly like a skunk. They don't always smell like that, but it gets really strong closer to breeding season. The first few fox I trapped that smelled like that I thought had actually gotten sprayed by a skunk. It took me a while to realize it was the fox itself that smelled like that.
I've also picked up that odor simply while walking through the woods. Very similar to the way you can smell if elk (especially if wallows are nearby) or deer are in the area, but more obvious.
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A fox wouldn't have scared the dogs, that's for sure...
I've always found the "skunk ape" thing interesting though, because of the noise and smell factors (with an obvious lack of visual evidence to back it up). Not only do fox make some very loud, odd noises, they also can smell extremely strong, and almost exactly like a skunk. They don't always smell like that, but it gets really strong closer to breeding season. The first few fox I trapped that smelled like that I thought had actually gotten sprayed by a skunk. It took me a while to realize it was the fox itself that smelled like that.
I've also picked up that odor simply while walking through the woods. Very similar to the way you can smell if elk (especially if wallows are nearby) or deer are in the area, but more obvious.
like I said my daughter was 5 at the time....as soon as the sound was issued, she ran crying into the house.....terrified.... :rofl
I was ready to die into some hellish battle.... its so crazy thinking about it....was just a fox..... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
its cool hearing what you said about it, makes me see I wasn't crazy... :rofl
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like I said my daughter was 5 at the time....as soon as the sound was issued, she ran crying into the house.....terrified.... :rofl
I was ready to die into some hellish battle.... its so crazy thinking about it....was just a fox..... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
its cool hearing what you said about it, makes me see I wasn't crazy... :rofl
Well, the last time I heard it, I was taking the trash out to the dumpster behind my maintenance shed. It was a spur-of-the-moment thing, at around 9pm on an October night.
I made it about 1/2 way to the dumpster (about 75 yards from my doorstep), and heard it call from about 250 yards behind the dumpster, up in one of our campsites that has some "haunted history". I froze, and heard it repeated twice within a minute or so.
It sounded either like a demon, or maybe a woman screaming for help, or maybe someone hiding up there trying to scare me. But since there was no reason for me to be out there, it seemed unlikely to be the later...
So, I did what any self-respecting husband/father would do. I dropped my sack of trash in the driveway, and ran back into the house acting like I had no idea what it was to get my wife and son (daughter was at her friends).
They thought I was pulling their leg, and basically came outside with me to prove it. Of course, the fox called a few more times...
My wife grew up in a hunting family, and has spent countless hours in the woods hunting and camping. She had no idea what it was, and was not at all happy about it.
My son (14) spent the next two weeks scuffing his feet noisily across the driveway anytime he was outside at dusk or later. He figured that way he wouldn't have to hear it again.
I eventually spilled the beans, but of course they wouldn't believe it was a lil' ol' fox that could make that kind of noise, with that much volume, so I had to prove it to them by sharing the recording.
My son was up in that campsite in February and heard it again (within 75 yards) just at dusk. He actually saw the fox pass between some bushes across the site from him, but he said it still just about scared the pants off of him!
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A fox will make you wonder WTF was that for sure. We have several here(live on the edge of a large conservation area) and I love to watch them and hear them. Best mouse catchers you have ever seen, and put cats to shame in that department. Like someone said above they don't have a lot of fear of humans. A coyote will take off as soon as he knows you are around, unless he is in hot pursuit of something.
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A fox will make you wonder WTF was that for sure. We have several here(live on the edge of a large conservation area) and I love to watch them and hear them. Best mouse catchers you have ever seen, and put cats to shame in that department. Like someone said above they don't have a lot of fear of humans. A coyote will take off as soon as he knows you are around, unless he is in hot pursuit of something.
You need to come meet some of the coyotes around here! They are so brazen they've taken a few small dogs that were being walked onleash!!! We used to have plenty of fox around but they seem to have been run off by all the coyotes.
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Well, the last time I heard it, I was taking the trash out to the dumpster behind my maintenance shed. It was a spur-of-the-moment thing, at around 9pm on an October night.
I made it about 1/2 way to the dumpster (about 75 yards from my doorstep), and heard it call from about 250 yards behind the dumpster, up in one of our campsites that has some "haunted history". I froze, and heard it repeated twice within a minute or so.
It sounded either like a demon, or maybe a woman screaming for help, or maybe someone hiding up there trying to scare me. But since there was no reason for me to be out there, it seemed unlikely to be the later...
So, I did what any self-respecting husband/father would do. I dropped my sack of trash in the driveway, and ran back into the house acting like I had no idea what it was to get my wife and son (daughter was at her friends).
They thought I was pulling their leg, and basically came outside with me to prove it. Of course, the fox called a few more times...
My wife grew up in a hunting family, and has spent countless hours in the woods hunting and camping. She had no idea what it was, and was not at all happy about it.
My son (14) spent the next two weeks scuffing his feet noisily across the driveway anytime he was outside at dusk or later. He figured that way he wouldn't have to hear it again.
I eventually spilled the beans, but of course they wouldn't believe it was a lil' ol' fox that could make that kind of noise, with that much volume, so I had to prove it to them by sharing the recording.
My son was up in that campsite in February and heard it again (within 75 yards) just at dusk. He actually saw the fox pass between some bushes across the site from him, but he said it still just about scared the pants off of him!
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You need to come meet some of the coyotes around here! They are so brazen they've taken a few small dogs that were being walked onleash!!! We used to have plenty of fox around but they seem to have been run off by all the coyotes.
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Coyotes in an urban area lose a lot of fear of people. I love to hear them too, but Owls are my favorite. They are another creature that makes some strange loud sounds other than a hoot most people hear. :cheers:
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That's just mean mntman :rofl But hell you are a boy scout leader :aok
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in 2009 i was on a UKC hunt near Longville, La. We turned out the Walkers at about 9:30 p.m. and waited for them to strike (get on a trail) which didn't take long. We started heading into the woods and after about 5 min the dogs when quiet real quick..... all of 5 of them. We keep moving in to locate them when they blazed past us at full run headed back towards the trucks. Standing there scratching our heads wondering what the hell was going on we were overcome but the most musky stench i ever smelled followed by something very close breathing real heavy and making a growling type noise I've never heard and at 45 years old I've heard everything in these parts. the oldest fella on the hunt, about 70, said it was a Skunk Ape and we need to get our arse back to the trucks.i wanted to go in and try to see it but the old man let me know it'd be a long walk back to Longville for me if I did. Anybody that coon hunts knows the only way to get a hound off a hot trail and back to the truck is on a leash (dragging him most of the way). When we got back to the trucks all the dogs were hiding in their kennels except for one that was hiding under the toolbox.
Have your dogs ever acted that way before? Can you remember the sound and the feel of the woods at the time this happened? Why did the Old man feel it was time to go and what did he tell you about his encounters on the drive back?
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I don't find it ridiculous. Bones and fragments of bones from thousands of years ago have been found, Yet never one from the Sasquatch? Doesn't prove it's non existence but makes it seem much less likely.
How many chimp fossils have been found ? What is the soil like where they live ?
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fossils aren't evidence of the existence of anything anyway, they were put there by God to test our faith
the more you know
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I'm not missing anything, like I mentioned before. What you might find to be 'credible', I don't.
ack-ack
Take a look at Dr. Sykes. Pretty credible man there. Not bad credentials either. Met him at OSU while he was here.
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ya the vid is blurry.....obviously not "Proof" but it makes me think....and the old Patterson film is messed up....the creature in that vid you can see the muscles moving under the fur....and the fact that it has a big ol set of boobs..... :O I just dont see a suit maker making it a female.....to me that is a huge "what the hell :headscratch:"
I don't need to see something to know it exists....I did tattoo Gods name on my face and right hand :D
I would not doubt that they are real.....there has been many animals that were "extinct" only to be found alive and well.
I also wouldn't be surprised to find out they dont exist :lol
ink look up Bill Munns report. You would be surprised how clear that movie really is.
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I really don't get that impression from most of the eyewitness accounts of Sasquatch.
People who make these generalized statements amaze me.
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You, and others in your party have been had.
1. Another human that you either know or don't know is still laughing because he scared the crap out of you.
2. It was an animal and because you and your friends had already been freaked out "because it was suddenly quiet" the sound it made scared the crap out of you and your friends.
3. Your mind over time has changed what really happened and your observations are no longer a memory but have changed to a fantasized memory.
What happened the next day? Find any tracks? How about offal? Hair snagged on a branch? A 50 pound dog cant go through the woods without leaving some evidence and you think this 7 foot, 400 pound beast can move like fog? Why, because he's smarter than a dog? Are you smarter than a dog? Are you smarter than this phantom? Can you go through the woods and leave no evidence?
So what can throw 300-500 lbs rocks into a dry river bed ? Please enlighten me. I had the key to the Gate<pisses the timber company off they have to let me work my claim> . A human would have had to hike without benefit of trail about 30 miles through underbrush you can't believe. This is the second time I have had something throw rocks into the river bed. Rocks so big me and my "little" brother could not budge them. I can go through the woods and leave no evidence you can find. You people that say it can't be are so lost on this subject. There is a mountain of evidence. Some very good videos. Some great pictures. Some credible sound files. Trackways that defy explanation. Look up Sykes dna study. Look up Bill Munns.
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ink look up Bill Munns report. You would be surprised how clear that movie really is.
when I said the vid is blurry I was referring to the baby in the trees in New York...although I clearly see something very Ape like swinging around having fun.
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when I said the vid is blurry I was referring to the baby in the trees in New York...although I clearly see something very Ape like swinging around having fun.
My bad. Still look up Bill Munns. Here is a link. I like the way your mind works bro. Skeptical but not closed. http://woodape.org/index.php/news/news/48-news/230
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My bad. Still look up Bill Munns. Here is a link. I like the way your mind works bro. Skeptical but not closed. http://woodape.org/index.php/news/news/48-news/230
looking at his web site now.
I remember the first time I watched a vid of the Patterson film that had been reworked to show more detail, and that was the first time I saw that the creature had boobs.....lots dismiss this and still say its a fake.....
but I dont know about that....if it is a suit, the guy who made it is a genius....just for making it female....but then there is the muscle movement under the fur...a hematoma in its right leg....
I know sea turtles all go to a pre known to die, was watching a film on sea turtles and they found a cave that had thousands of dead turtles...thousands of them.......many creatures know when the are gonna die and go someplace for that....squatchs could very well do the same....or just straight up bury their dead.
I am a little skeptical but I lean towards believing they are real......
I did see a foot print that was messed up a long time ago....it was imbedded on the side of a stream that was over 3 feet across,(I couldn't even come close to stepping over the stream) it was 4+ inches deep....a guy I used to work for called me up and had me come over to see it....back then I thought he was trying to play a trick on me but now a days I am not so sure.(he swears he wasn't)
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The fact remains that for a population to survive threw the centuries it must have a critical mass and work together in some way. So, we are talking about 1000s of bigfoots running around the US all of them making sure they never ever leave a trace, hide their dead and once in a while prank and tease humans.
Does any if the above bother anyone? Lol
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Some of these stories gave me chills, Bigfoot or not.
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The fact remains that for a population to survive threw the centuries it must have a critical mass and work together in some way. So, we are talking about 1000s of bigfoots running around the US all of them making sure they never ever leave a trace, hide their dead and once in a while prank and tease humans.
Does any if the above bother anyone? Lol
What is the exact number a species needs to survive?
They have left traces.
The "hide their dead" theory doesn't hold water.
"Prank and tease"= warn and try to drive off, there's plenty of those encounters. No, there is not overwhelming amounts of evidence but there is enough for it to be possible for them to exist. The enhanced Patterson film makes a hell of a case itself. I understand where you are coming from but I honestly believe they will be proven real.
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What is the exact number a species needs to survive?
Depends on the species. For human beings roughly 54 couples to provide sufficient genetic mutation.
So what can throw 300-500 lbs rocks into a dry river bed ? Please enlighten me. I had the key to the Gate<pisses the timber company off they have to let me work my claim> . A human would have had to hike without benefit of trail about 30 miles through underbrush you can't believe. This is the second time I have had something throw rocks into the river bed. Rocks so big me and my "little" brother could not budge them. I can go through the woods and leave no evidence you can find. You people that say it can't be are so lost on this subject. There is a mountain of evidence. Some very good videos. Some great pictures. Some credible sound files. Trackways that defy explanation. Look up Sykes dna study. Look up Bill Munns.
Of course there is another viable explanation which covers everything. I've met Hillbilly, he's big. Bigfoot is bigger (although perhaps less furry). Hillbilly, Bigfoot, Hillbilly, Bigfoot, full moon, Hillbilly, Bigfoot, AHA! Hillbilly IS Bigfoot every full moon! HE throws the rocks in his own river, runs around scaring Surfinn and wakes up the next day all confused and wearing shredded shorts! :x
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What is the exact number a species needs to survive?
They have left traces.
The "hide their dead" theory doesn't hold water.
"Prank and tease"= warn and try to drive off, there's plenty of those encounters. No, there is not overwhelming amounts of evidence but there is enough for it to be possible for them to exist. The enhanced Patterson film makes a hell of a case itself. I understand where you are coming from but I honestly believe they will be proven real.
the exact number? I dont have a clue. It would probably depend on the animal. A good guess would be the number they use when they deckare something endangered. Given that there are 'sightings' all over the place I would think there should be 100s around.
The hide their dead was sarcasm. Shouldn't there be some bones somewhere?
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No. Their made of cartlidge :old:
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New show came out.
http://america.discovery.com/tv-shows/mountain-monsters/mountain-monsters-video/mountain-monsters.htm
Ok a little silly but the stories about the Big Black Cat are intriguing. Takes place mostly in W. Va. but the Lizard Demon is a little hard to believe.
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My bad. Still look up Bill Munns. Here is a link. I like the way your mind works bro. Skeptical but not closed. http://woodape.org/index.php/news/news/48-news/230
Watched all three films. The second film on the paterson break down was great. I saw a 3 frame enlarged section of the breast area 3 years ago and the guy was going over the very noticeable bounce when it took a step. Until that moment I honestly thought that film was a fake. Thank you for sharing that link.
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New show came out.
http://america.discovery.com/tv-shows/mountain-monsters/mountain-monsters-video/mountain-monsters.htm
Ok a little silly but the stories about the Big Black Cat are intriguing. Takes place mostly in W. Va. but the Lizard Demon is a little hard to believe.
I saw the full episode about the large black cat. Although they acted very concerned and their reactions appeared to be authentic. I have to wonder about about the three piglets that were killed. They filmed two that they found. If it happened the way they portrayed it as happening, how does a single cat carry off three 60 lb pigs at once? They gave very brief looks at the carcases of the pigs. I would think they would document the heck out of the bite areas. It looks like a entertainment, staged show to me.
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Watched all three films. The second film on the paterson break down was great. I saw a 3 frame enlarged section of the breast area 3 years ago and the guy was going over the very noticeable bounce when it took a step. Until that moment I honestly thought that film was a fake. Thank you for sharing that link.
been saying the same since I saw em bouncing.... :D
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the exact number? I dont have a clue. It would probably depend on the animal. A good guess would be the number they use when they deckare something endangered. Given that there are 'sightings' all over the place I would think there should be 100s around.
The hide their dead was sarcasm. Shouldn't there be some bones somewhere?
If someone would run across a skull sooner than later I round be a happy camper. :D
If I understood correctly fossils of Gigantopithecus are few and limited to teeth and jawbones.
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If someone would run across a skull sooner than later I round be a happy camper. :D
If I understood correctly fossils of Gigantopithecus are few and limited to teeth and jawbones.
yeah, but bf is alive now so we should not be looking for fossils. If they dont bury their dead, some animal would drag a bone out sooner or latter. Forget how many should be alive. There should be 1000s of dead ones laying around.
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Is it possible that all of our collective consciousness focused on a Bigfoot like creature could manifest itself into a real animal? Could Bigfoot literally be a product of our cumulative imagination?
Get high and think about that...
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Tried that and no sunsfan it doesn't.
Get high less sir :aok
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Is it possible that all of our collective consciousness focused on a Bigfoot like creature could manifest itself into a real animal? Could Bigfoot literally be a product of our cumulative imagination?
Get high and think about that...
:rofl :rofl :rofl
I think that would be a no.....but I will do what you suggest....that is the best advise I have seen on the boards.... :D
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yeah, but bf is alive now so we should not be looking for fossils. If they dont bury their dead, some animal would drag a bone out sooner or latter. Forget how many should be alive. There should be 1000s of dead ones laying around.
Walk in the woods and find a bone. Hike for 6 hours three days in a row and tell me how many bones you found. I have found a few deer bones {individual} and a few small animal bones. The only whole skeleton I've ever found was that raccoon, right paw extended pointing towards the trap.
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Walk in the woods and find a bone. Hike for 6 hours three days in a row and tell me how many bones you found. I have found a few deer bones {individual} and a few small animal bones. The only whole skeleton I've ever found was that raccoon, right paw extended pointing towards the trap.
I may not find any in 6 hours. But 1000s of hunters, campers, loggers .... etc being out there every day for lets say 50 years or so is a different story than the 6 hours you gave me.
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K...I knew the BBS had a wide range of users but...this thread just opened it up some more.
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I may not find any in 6 hours. But 1000s of hunters, campers, loggers .... etc being out there every day for lets say 50 years or so is a different story than the 6 hours you gave me.
I've been places where I've never seen a deer but found plenty of sign. There's no way a giant hairy ape is going to hide it's turds that easily.
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The fact remains that for a population to survive threw the centuries it must have a critical mass and work together in some way. So, we are talking about 1000s of bigfoots running around the US all of them making sure they never ever leave a trace, hide their dead and once in a while prank and tease humans.
Does any if the above bother anyone? Lol
If true it would bother me. Far from it how ever.
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If someone would run across a skull sooner than later I round be a happy camper. :D
If I understood correctly fossils of Gigantopithecus are few and limited to teeth and jawbones.
One partial jawbone and some teeth. I am looking for the link to the tooth that was found in N. Ca. Not a fossil either.
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I may not find any in 6 hours. But 1000s of hunters, campers, loggers .... etc being out there every day for lets say 50 years or so is a different story than the 6 hours you gave me.
How many hunter loggers and campers you think have the training to id a remarkable bone ? You also tend to under estimate the tracts of land we are talking about.
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I've been places where I've never seen a deer but found plenty of sign. There's no way a giant hairy ape is going to hide it's turds that easily.
So right you are. Tell me mr. Vulcan how does one prove it is a sas. turd ?
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If my dog's would have ran back to me like that they be a dead dog . I have run walker dog's for 4 generations in my family all up and down MS . I think after that long one of my past family members would have seen something .
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So right you are. Tell me mr. Vulcan how does one prove it is a sas. turd ?
I'd wager a sas turd would look different to a deer turd.
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I'd wager a sas turd would look different to a deer turd.
I for one can tell you what turd came out of what animal , lol .
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If true it would bother me. Far from it how ever.
what exactly is not true?
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How many hunter loggers and campers you think have the training to id a remarkable bone ? You also tend to under estimate the tracts of land we are talking about.
I did not realize that one needs training to recognize a big scull, skeleton or femur etc as strange and not belonging to a raccoon lol
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I'd wager a sas turd would look different to a deer turd.
Would it look different than a bear turd ? If you find a turd that looks like it is human but way too big how do you say for sure what it is ?
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I did not realize that one needs training to recognize a big scull, skeleton or femur etc as strange and not belonging to a raccoon lol
Altogether unrealistic expectation of what happens in the wild with dead animals. Other than a skull you would be hard pressed to id any bones .
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what exactly is not true?
That there is no hard evidence. There is tons of it.
Here is a link to a thread about attempts to replicate the patty suit. the animal x attempt cost quite a bit more than any out of work cowboy could afford.
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/40451-attempts-to-make-a-patty-suit/
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Unfortunately, it is essentially impossible to prove that something does not exist.
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My 3 nieces are 99% sure that this monster called 'The Brown Thing' is just my brother crawling around under an old brown blanket but the remaining 1% of uncertainty really scares them.
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That there is no hard evidence. There is tons of it.
Here is a link to a thread about attempts to replicate the patty suit. the animal x attempt cost quite a bit more than any out of work cowboy could afford.
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/40451-attempts-to-make-a-patty-suit/
a link to a thread? Lol
I guess Santa exists also because the cookies were gone in the morning.
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Unfortunately, it is essentially impossible to prove that something does not exist.
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My 3 nieces are 99% sure that this monster called 'The Brown Thing' is just my brother crawling around under an old brown blanket but the remaining 1% of uncertainty really scares them.
Look the PGF can only be one of two things. With me so far? Either man in a suit or an unknown primate. Make sense? Can you think of anything else? So if it is a man in a suit. Show me the suit or make another one. Where do you get me asking you to prove a negative ? If it is a man in a suit make one.
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a link to a thread? Lol
I guess Santa exists also because the cookies were gone in the morning.
Tons of evidence. Google still works.
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I'm not asking you to prove a negative. I'm just pointing out that it is essentially impossible to prove that anything doesn't exist.
I hope that samsquanches do exist!
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I'm not asking you to prove a negative. I'm just pointing out that it is essentially impossible to prove that anything doesn't exist.
I hope that samsquanches do exist!
Samsquanch!
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K...I knew the BBS had a wide range of users but...this thread just opened it up some more.
Thats a good thing yes? :D
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Unfortunately, it is essentially impossible to prove that something does not exist.
This is a myth as big as sasquatch itself...
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Early 1960s Pearl River area, Hancock county, MS.
A man who was african American was driving down a county road at night, bordering the honey island swamp area. He struck something with his 1950s era Chevy, while it was crossing the road. His car was incapacitated and he waved the next motorist down and asked them to call the police, stating he thinks he hit a person. Police arrived found significant front end damage to the mans car as well as blood and hair on the front end. The man insisted it was a person walking upright that he hit with his car yet he couldn't find him after the fact. The police located a blood trail leading into the swamp and followed it trying to locate the injured victim. They called out several times and followed the trail. Every time they would get close they could hear something large moving away from them. They followed it for about a mile before giving up and returning to the road.
I saw this a long time ago on TV and actual knew a few Hancock Sheriff officers at the time. I was curious and asked a few about it and one of them was the grandson of the officer that took the initial report. His account was of something large, hairy, walking upright and bad enough to dent a 60mph Chevy's front end and still walk away into the swamp.
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Early 1960s Pearl River area, Hancock county, MS.
A man who was african American was driving down a county road at night, bordering the honey island swamp area. He struck something with his 1950s era Chevy, while it was crossing the road. His car was incapacitated and he waved the next motorist down and asked them to call the police, stating he thinks he hit a person. Police arrived found significant front end damage to the mans car as well as blood and hair on the front end. The man insisted it was a person walking upright that he hit with his car yet he couldn't find him after the fact. The police located a blood trail leading into the swamp and followed it trying to locate the injured victim. They called out several times and followed the trail. Every time they would get close they could hear something large moving away from them. They followed it for about a mile before giving up and returning to the road.
I saw this a long time ago on TV and actual new a few Hancock Sheriff officers at the time. I was curious and asked a few about it and one of them was the grandson of the officer that took the initial report. His account was of something large, hairy, walking upright and bad enough to dent a 60mph Chevy's front end and still walk away into the swamp.
lol, wana by a bridge too? So now bigfoot can take a hit from a car ar 60mph and just walk away :rofl
I dont think an elephant could handle that lol
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White tail deer walk away from vehicle impacts all the time. Hell so do humans.
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Early 1960s Pearl River area, Hancock county, MS.
A man who was african American was driving down a county road at night, bordering the honey island swamp area. He struck something with his 1950s era Chevy, while it was crossing the road. His car was incapacitated and he waved the next motorist down and asked them to call the police, stating he thinks he hit a person. Police arrived found significant front end damage to the mans car as well as blood and hair on the front end. The man insisted it was a person walking upright that he hit with his car yet he couldn't find him after the fact. The police located a blood trail leading into the swamp and followed it trying to locate the injured victim. They called out several times and followed the trail. Every time they would get close they could hear something large moving away from them. They followed it for about a mile before giving up and returning to the road.
I saw this a long time ago on TV and actual knew a few Hancock Sheriff officers at the time. I was curious and asked a few about it and one of them was the grandson of the officer that took the initial report. His account was of something large, hairy, walking upright and bad enough to dent a 60mph Chevy's front end and still walk away into the swamp.
Bummer that we don't have that hair and blood sample to do modern testing on. We haven't gotten anything we can do modern testing on.....ever.
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Bummer that we don't have that hair and blood sample to do modern testing on. We haven't gotten anything we can do modern testing on.....ever.
Now that's interesting. There are so many samples out there that have come back as unknown in DNA testing you would be amazed. Hair samples that are human like, yet the hair has never been cut. It looks almost human but is thicker and has a pattern to it that suggest it has never been cut.
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White tail deer walk away from vehicle impacts all the time. Hell so do humans.
um no they dont if they destroy a 1950s Chevy. You know what those things were made of right? Anything hiring that hard would be put in a bag using a spoon lol. But hey, it is a story about bf so it must be real.
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Bummer that we don't have that hair and blood sample to do modern testing on. We haven't gotten anything we can do modern testing on.....ever.
Really . Hmmmm wonder what Dr. Bryan Sykes is using? Wonder what the delay in releasing results are caused by? Wonder why he came to US to look for more samples?
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Really . Hmmmm wonder what Dr. Bryan Sykes is using? Wonder what the delay in releasing results are caused by? Wonder why he came to US to look for more samples?
let me guess. The government does not want us to know the truth about BF
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let me guess. The government does not want us to know the truth about BF
I can't see why that would be.
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I found him
(http://words2vomit.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/mime26.jpg?w=447&h=874)
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I found him
(http://words2vomit.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/mime26.jpg?w=447&h=874)
I stand corrected :O
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B18YDG_vXfc
same area
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When does bigfoot season open ? hehehehe
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When does bigfoot season open ? hehehehe
I just checked my state DNR's pocket guide for identifying wildlife and since it isn't mentioned I believe we are allowed to shoot Saskatchewans whenever and however a person sees fit.
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I just checked my state DNR's pocket guide for identifying wildlife and since it isn't mentioned I believe we are allowed to shoot Saskatchewans whenever and however a person sees fit.
Cool . I hope the warden don't look in my freezer , lol .
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Cool . I hope the warden don't look in my freezer , lol .
"The last thing I want is a game warden showing up and fining me for something I didn't do 20 years ago" ~ Phil Robertson
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B18YDG_vXfc
same area
Good thing that was not me I would have shoot the toejam out of it .
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http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/02/bigfoot-genome-paper-conclusively-proves-that-sasquatch-is-real/
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^ I'll go with contaminated DNA for 1,000 Alex.
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My cousin who is an avid hunter swears he encountered something in the woods he could not explain. Legends of the Jersey Devil go way back.
(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt213/jersey_devil19/jerseydevilicon.gif) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/jersey_devil19/media/jerseydevilicon.gif.html)
Evidence of some primitive being in the forest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50uZAP22V48&list=PL4C617AFBBC01D867 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50uZAP22V48&list=PL4C617AFBBC01D867)
I go out to the Pines at least once, yearly, to have a drink and a toke with him.
We meet at the fire tower on Apple Pie Hill :aok
He says that Sasquatch is a punk-arsed biatch.
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^ I'll go with contaminated DNA for 1,000 Alex.
:headscratch: How would you contaminate sasquatch DNA??
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:headscratch: How would you contaminate sasquatch DNA??
From the article posted above:
It's impossible to say anything for certain until we can get the sequences analyzed; hopefully, we'll have an update on that before the week is out. At the moment, though, all indications suggest that the sasquatch hunters are working on a mix of human DNA intermingled with that of some other (or several other) mammals.
I quick search found this article:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328475.000-how-dna-contamination-can-affect-court-cases.html#.UlAoE7PCtFc
It's easy to contaminate any DNA sample.
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Was watching Mississippi Outdoors the other day and they had a old man on there that had seem a black panther . I knew I was not the only one to see it . He said he seen him while he was going down the MS river and it was running a doe deer .
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Some of the guys that have come forward with "proof" are in it for the fame, or the money on future film deals. Kinda sucks for people who have had experiences. Its hard for them to come forward with real life encounters with all the BS out there.
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Some of the guys that have come forward with "proof" are in it for the fame, or the money on future film deals. Kinda sucks for people who have had experiences. Its hard for them to come forward with real life encounters with all the BS out there.
That's true Surfinn . Just like the UFO me and a friend seen one day at work . We seen it good . Try and make people that have not seen one believe it is very hard .
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That's true Surfinn . Just like the UFO me and a friend seen one day at work . We seen it good . Try and make people that have not seen one believe it is very hard .
lol, it was swamp gas...and don't let anyone tell you different. :noid
i've seen black panthers in honey island swamp twice. old timers told me they been seeing them since the 30s.
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lol, it was swamp gas...and don't let anyone tell you different. :noid
i've seen black panthers in honey island swamp twice. old timers told me they been seeing them since the 30s.
I wish I could say it was but we seen it good . About a mile up getting it across the sky . I thought it was a rocket at first but it was not making any sound and was bigger that oh say 5 buses put together . I would have not seen it if it was not for my friend pointing it out to me .
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I seen a UFO about a year ago. 15 or 20 guys at my job seen it too. It looked like a comet running slow and parallel to the tree tops. 4 or 5k off the ground. I'd sure like to know for sure what it was. :noid
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I seen a UFO about a year ago. 15 or 20 guys at my job seen it too. It looked like a comet running slow and parallel to the tree tops. 4 or 5k off the ground. I'd sure like to know for sure what it was. :noid
Oh cool . I don't run across many people that have seen one . I know what I seen . Not sure if it's from another world tho . If I had to put money on it I say it was ours that we don't know about .
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Well in keeping with the turn this topic has taken if anyone is interested I just saw that Ancient Aliens is on and the subject is UFOs and their connection with Bigfoot. 8:00 PM EST
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Gawds!
Coming Down!
From the Sky!
:aok
One of my favorite shows.
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They found a body :O
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=34179#.UnHMcpO7UiV.facebook
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They found a body :O
http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=34179#.UnHMcpO7UiV.facebook
I have to see before I believe . If I don't see it , it's not real .
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National Geographic channel has a very long program on tonight about the subject. They will probably keep me watching commercials all night just to conclude its still a mystery according to science.
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So I'm torn between Sunday Night Football, Nat Geo's program, Boardwalk Empire, and Bigfoot Hunters on Animal Planet.
I thought my Sunday evening was settled.. :furious
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So I'm torn between Sunday Night Football, Nat Geo's program, Boardwalk Empire, and Bigfoot Hunters on Animal Planet.
I thought my Sunday evening was settled.. :furious
Bigfoot Hunters has got to be the dumbest show I've seen in years.
They wander around the woods, lit up like a fleet landing potato house and wonder why a bigfoot (what's plural, bigfeet?) doesn't show up.
No deer show up, no raccoons, no possums, nothing. All they do is wake up the local bird population.....
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Bigfoot Hunters has got to be the dumbest show I've seen in years.
They wander around the woods, lit up like a fleet landing potato house and wonder why a bigfoot (what's plural, bigfeet?) doesn't show up.
No deer show up, no raccoons, no possums, nothing. All they do is wake up the local bird population.....
The show is hillarious. These guys will tell you with conviction Bigfoot is everywhere.
Witness- " I saw a Bigfoot at a McDonalds Drive-Thru!!"
Matt Moneymaker- " We know for a fact that Squatches love Big Macs so it is certain that the witness did in fact see Bigfoot."
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Bigfoot is based off fact. A real animal called giganthropithicus lived as little as 300,000 years ago. It's a big forest with plenty of places to hide. who knows if it still exists, but when people like Les Stroud claim to have encountered a Ape in the woods of Alaska, its hard not to believe that a few could still be around.
"Well now, you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist" - Dr. Jane Goodall
I played paintball with that guy last week!
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Bigfoot Hunters has got to be the dumbest show I've seen in years.
They wander around the woods, lit up like a fleet landing potato house and wonder why a bigfoot (what's plural, bigfeet?) doesn't show up.
No deer show up, no raccoons, no possums, nothing. All they do is wake up the local bird population.....
:aok +1
My son and I were watching Bigfoot Hunters when it first aired. He's 13 and has never been hunting...but he is a Boy Scout* and knows his way abound woodlands. He made the exact same observation, adding a few choice words questioning the cast's intelligence (Boy Scout or not...he IS a teen).
Between that show and the idiotic Doomsday shows I'm pretty sure it all heralds the end of Western Civilization. :D
* Very close to Life rank and driving for that Eagle!!
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Shoot the guys in the MA and FSO say they see bigfoot all the time. I'll be flying or tanking around minding my own business when I hear someone say "Hey bfoot's up there somewhere watch out." Or I'll be in a tank just trying to shoot the panzers when I hear "I think I just saw bigfoot in a groove of trees outside of the town."
I still don't know what they are talking about :noid :noid
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Got to say the bigfoot hunters show is dumb as hell, in their investigations. Bird chirps and oh man that's a squatch. Kinda clear what the founders motivation is just by his name, Matt Moneymaker :rofl
Did the math on what BFRO makes on their monthly bigfoot hunts at one time , It came out to roughly $350,000.00 a year. You can go to the BFRO website and see what they charge to take you for a bigfoot trip and do the math :rofl
Like I said earlyer though, Its irritating to me when people like that take away from the true science of the subject.
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Isn't it Finding Bigfoot? Anyway, I don't see how they expect to find a damn thing banging around the woods at night with a 30 person production crew.
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Well since I'm here, I'm sure y'all heard about the guy who claims he killed bigfoot...supposedly he killed him in late '12 and had all different types of tests verifying that it was bigfoot during 2013 and now he is going to take the body on tour this year...I haven't heard anything else about it in the last 2 or 3 weeks though...I told my wife that if they came to Tulsa or OKC that I would pay a dollar to view it just because...myself I've seen many unexplainable things in my time in the woods...was it bigfoot?...who cares...I watched a show the other day on some obscure channel on dish about all the bigfoot sightings here in Oklahoma...them cats sit out there in the woods cookin' their meth and hell yeah bigfoot gonna come waltzing right up to them :lol
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That's the same guy who claimed he had one in his freezer a few years ago and it turned out to be a halloween costume and deer entrails frozen in a block of ice.
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That's the same guy who claimed he had one in his freezer a few years ago and it turned out to be a halloween costume and deer entrails frozen in a block of ice.
Busted! Actually Butchered Bigfoot is quite good. Get it now before the price goes up. Walmart will soon have it for $15 a pound.
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Lots of good story's in this thread. In honor of monster weak (shameless discovery Chanel poke ) I'm bumping this thread for any that may be interested :)
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They are common in the north lands but they go by names such as "Snow Cows" and "Tundra Wookies". Be wary for they are a treacherous creature with a insatiable appetite for men's souls
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