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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JimmyD3 on November 26, 2013, 10:48:12 AM
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Why don't the buildings in town blow up when the nme comes in to carpet bomb the attacking gv'ers? I'm in town, shooting buildings in a M4. The knits (hehehe) up 2 sets of Lancs to carpet bomb town, which of course kill me. Come back and after 78,000 lbs. of ordnance, no additional buildings are down!? Don't seem right.
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Spies! :noid
....or some noob lifts from field and drops his own town without knowing. :rolleyes:
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Same reason as killshooter...
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Carpet bombing stuka lanc's are lame,and something should be done. Perk cost on bombs! :banana:
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More likely some guy parks his M3 near town and then with his second account ups Lancs from the field until the town is levelled, so he can just drive in and take it.
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Then limit the ability to arm bombs from bombers to 4000 ft. or some other level. Specifically non dive bombers.
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Feel free to add this to the wishlist forum. Here in the general discussion section, I don't think you will get the reception you may like. Most, like me, think it's not broken, so it doesn't need fix'n.
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More likely some guy parks his M3 near town and then with his second account ups Lancs from the field until the town is levelled, so he can just drive in and take it.
100% chance that would happen, I've seen people dropping GV supplies for the other country so they wouldn't get shot down. Same type of guys would be all over this.
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Works same for all 3 sides, no problem.
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Works same for all 3 sides, no problem.
No way to mount a defense. You try to defend against the bombers killing your town, and you die to kill shooter.
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Works same for all 3 sides, no problem.
It will be the same problem for all 3 sides if 'friendly' bombers are able to destroy your own objects. You don't even notice it, as friendly bombers upping at a remote base to bomb that town don't create any attention.
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Why don't the buildings in town blow up when the nme comes in to carpet bomb the attacking gv'ers? I'm in town, shooting buildings in a M4. The knits (hehehe) up 2 sets of Lancs to carpet bomb town, which of course kill me. Come back and after 78,000 lbs. of ordnance, no additional buildings are down!? Don't seem right.
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And the gameplay consequences?
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The new dweebery in-game has progressed from no-ACM Ho's and vulching to no-skills carpetbombing of bases with 1,000 pounders just to kill stray gv's so they can get their name in lights. Personally (and my own opinion) encouraging carpet bombing and bomb****ing by having a monthly hat's off for "attack" score is a mistake. But I am most likely in the minority.
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The new dweebery in-game has progressed from no-ACM Ho's and vulching to no-skills carpetbombing of bases with 1,000 pounders just to kill stray gv's so they can get their name in lights. Personally (and my own opinion) encouraging carpet bombing and bomb****ing by having a monthly hat's off for "attack" score is a mistake. But I am most likely in the minority.
Carpet bombing GVs with heavys has been around for the whole time I have played.
As to the attack score, well heavy bombers don't have attack scores and if you do use a Lanc, B17 etc to bomb GV's you hurt your bomber score, as your dropping 3 bombs to hit one target.
I bet if Lusche posted the Air to ground kills the A-20 followed by a bunch of american bombtrucks would be top of the list... Il2 may make it in the top 5. Heavy bombers will be ahead of the Hurricane Mk1 and C202 though.
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Carpet bombing GVs with heavys has been around for the whole time I have played.
As to the attack score, well heavy bombers don't have attack scores and if you do use a Lanc, B17 etc to bomb GV's you hurt your bomber score, as your dropping 3 bombs to hit one target.
Exactly.
If anything, carpet bombing Gvs in heavies wrecks your bomber score, as you gain nothing in actual score from it -kills don't count in score and your hit % and damage/sortie will go down. Someone bombing GVs in a Lancaster is clearly not doing it for score and not even perks (Lancs have low ENY).
And even for the few bombers that have "attack" mode (like Ju-88, B-25C) you don't gain much, especially not at the top ('frontpage') ranks - your damage hit % will again go down with each drop, and kill related score categories are just a part of your attack score.
I bet if Lusche posted the Air to ground kills the A-20 followed by a bunch of american bombtrucks would be top of the list
In the current year's list of A2G kills, the A-20 indeed leads (1.9% of all GV kills), the Il2 is #4 (0.91%), the Lancaster #5 (0.90%). The next heavy bomber is the B-17 at #23.
In my (subjective) experience, relatively few GV kills by the Lanc come from carpet bombing spawns or friendly towns, but attacking enemy bases (mostly ports/vbases)
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Carpet bombing stuka lanc's are lame,and something should be done. Perk cost on bombs! :banana:
Just disable the bomb-drop-button unless its at 5K AGL
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Exactly.
If anything, carpet bombing Gvs in heavies wrecks your bomber score, as you gain nothing in actual score from it -kills don't count in score and your hit % and damage/sortie will go down. Someone bombing GVs in a Lancaster is clearly not doing it for score and not even perks (Lancs have low ENY).
And even for the few bombers that have "attack" mode (like Ju-88, B-25C) you don't gain much, especially not at the top ('frontpage') ranks - your damage hit % will again go down with each drop, and kill related score categories are just a part of your attack score.
In the current year's list of A2G kills, the A-20 indeed leads (1.9% of all GV kills), the Il2 is #4 (0.91%), the Lancaster #5 (0.90%). The next heavy bomber is the B-17 at #23.
In my (subjective) experience, relatively few GV kills by the Lanc come from carpet bombing spawns or friendly towns, but attacking enemy bases (mostly ports/vbases)
Score-schmore...hey guys, Sunbat and Harvey are the Muppet bomb team. Please call on them for any of your carpet bombing needs. They care about bomber score as much as they care about the last drop of pee at the end of a good long beer whiz.
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the Lancaster #5 (0.90%).
:uhoh
0.9% :rofl
some would have you believe "lancstukas" kill 90%
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Exactly.
If anything, carpet bombing Gvs in heavies wrecks your bomber score, as you gain nothing in actual score from it -kills don't count in score and your hit % and damage/sortie will go down. Someone bombing GVs in a Lancaster is clearly not doing it for score and not even perks (Lancs have low ENY).
And even for the few bombers that have "attack" mode (like Ju-88, B-25C) you don't gain much, especially not at the top ('frontpage') ranks - your damage hit % will again go down with each drop, and kill related score categories are just a part of your attack score.
In the current year's list of A2G kills, the A-20 indeed leads (1.9% of all GV kills), the Il2 is #4 (0.91%), the Lancaster #5 (0.90%). The next heavy bomber is the B-17 at #23.
In my (subjective) experience, relatively few GV kills by the Lanc come from carpet bombing spawns or friendly towns, but attacking enemy bases (mostly ports/vbases)
Hehehe, you have not had to deal with 999000 have you? :devil
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Hehehe, you have not had to deal with 999000 have you? :devil
:headscratch:
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:headscratch:
I have run into him 2 times now in LW and both times he was in B17's on the deck killing gv's with his guns. :rofl :rofl He got me at least 3 times each.
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Someone will up buffs, white flag their own town then switch sides and spawn in an M3 for the take. No thanks.
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Hehehe, you have not had to deal with 999000 have you? :devil
When I see him flying on the deck he's usually trying to sucker fighters into attacking his formation of Death Stars. That's legit gameplay as far as I'm concerned, he's beating them with superior gunnery skills. Looking at his stats he kills a lot more fighters than GVs in his buffs.
-1 to 5k minimum altitude for bombing - it's a cure that's worse than the problem. However, I'd love to see no bomb drop from any position/view but the bombsight for planes that have a bombsight, and no bomb drop at any attitude more than 10 degrees from the horizontal from heavy bombers. Wouldn't stop carpet bombing of friendly towns, but it would stop the ridiculous use of Lancs as dive bombers.
-100 to taking out friendly buildings, for reasons mentioned several times already by others - the potential for abuse is way, way worse than the current situation. Perhaps a better solution would be to have the above restrictions, plus no GV icons, friendly or enemy, appear in bombsight or F3 view? Not sure if that's technically feasible the way the game is programmed, though.
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but it would stop the ridiculous use of Lancs as dive bombers.
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and evidently, quite rare use.
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Spies! :noid
....or some noob lifts from field and drops his own town without knowing. :rolleyes:
I've seen spies run GV supplies to town for the red guys.
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and evidently, quite rare use.
I see it more against CVs than against GVs.
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I think any weapon coming off a friendly airplane should have a kill shooter reaction. Your the last tank in town surrounded by gv and along comes your bud in a lanc dropping 1krs all over you. He should receive damage if you are in splash range.
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Why don't the buildings in town blow up when the nme comes in to carpet bomb the attacking gv'ers? I'm in town, shooting buildings in a M4. The knits (hehehe) up 2 sets of Lancs to carpet bomb town, which of course kill me. Come back and after 78,000 lbs. of ordnance, no additional buildings are down!? Don't seem right.
You can start a thread in the Wishlist forum and watch the positive and negative comments. Allot can be learned from it.
:salute
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and evidently, quite rare use.
Not that rare, especially in MW. :t
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When I see him flying on the deck he's usually trying to sucker fighters into attacking his formation of Death Stars. That's legit gameplay as far as I'm concerned, he's beating them with superior gunnery skills. Looking at his stats he kills a lot more fighters than GVs in his buffs.
Nobody should be able to kill a single gv using buff guns, outside of unarmored Jeep. Another example on how ridiculously modeled buffs are.
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Nobody should be able to kill a single gv using buff guns, outside of unarmored Jeep. Another example on how ridiculously modeled buffs are.
Unarmed vehicles fall into the GV category.
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Nobody should be able to kill a single gv using buff guns, outside of unarmored Jeep. Another example on how ridiculously modeled buffs are.
More like another example of the usual exaggeration I'd say. You won't kill tanks in AH with buff guns, only non armored and/or open topped vehicles (and you'd be rather lucky to do so).
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Making the buffs explode the instant their bombs hit one of their own buildings wouldn't solve the problem, but it'd sure be funny.