I have no problems with big missions, not a fan of hordes, but, meh....but to pull a stunt under the guise of a "memorial" flight is, frankly, below low. Sorry Earl, =S= to you, and I mourn your loss with you, but this wasn't kosher. BTW, I NEVER tune to 200...who wants to hear the junk....
so what happend?
Memorial flights should be held in arenas other than the mains. Little or no chance of misunderstandings ever occurring. :aok
Let it be known to all...
If I should pass from this world before Aces High does...
I would prefer to be remembered by a Memorial Furball. Nothing above 2000ft. It should last for several hours, half way between two airfields. Everyone should try to kill their targets. Anyone shot down should re-up and return to the fight.
How do you feel about skydiving without a parachute? I'd like to get this memorial flight going sooner rather than later, sounds like fun. :lol
I joke of course! :salute
Not going to take a side here, but being a Devil Dog you know I already have one. I was just destroyed by what was being said on 200. I'm not going to say names or point fingers, but one (knight) was calling the whole thing a hoax, and the purpose of the flight. :mad: The knights deserve a city in flames after what was said.
So the Devil Dogs should do a *PFactorDave* dry run memorial flight. Up a dozen boxes of B-17s. We'll drum up some PonyD or 47Nancy escorts, and then me and a bunch of Luftwhiners will introduce ourselves proper around 25k in our Doras, K-4s and one little A5....A dry run over the Knights? :rofl Not happening.
Who's in?
boo
Sorry, but a fully armed mass bomber run to the enemy's main target is just a very bad idea for a peaceful, non-combat memorial mission. I never had the though they did not wanted to be attacked, else they would never had carried bombs to the strats in B-29s, else they would have done it either in the SEA, or at least had plotted a course steering way clear of any critical targets (there's enough room for that on Tagma).
So it was very clear for me from the start it's all about combat, and boy! Combat we did have! One of the largest missions in years, and very alert escort fighters almost bagged me more than once... great fun! Thank you for that... and feel free to do more such missions. :rock
I entered the MA last evening, just in time to see a HUGE rook dar bar, and see notices that this was a memorial flight for Earl's wife. There were some doubters, but the majority, myself included said no, let them fly.:airplane: :uhoh I am embarrassed to say the least! This is not the way I operate! I normally fly bomber missions at 13K to promote air combat, which is what this game is all about! I would point out that we were bounced about 3/4 sector away from the strats and that is when the discussion started about dropping bombs. My intention the whole time and that is why I announced it here in the forum, was to fly to strats, RTB to a friendly base A41, then turn and attack some close by base as we had a huge horde of bombers and fighters.
Boy was I surprised when rook 51s started dropping on the large group that was flying way lower, and not bothering the flight AND the Rook 29s leveled our strats. This is my opinion only, but I found it to be a dastardly stunt to do that under the guise of a memorial flight for a revered player's wife. Shame on you rooks!
All I can say is " I am truly sorry for the way it played out"!
:airplane: :uhoh I am embarrassed to say the least!
All I can say is " I am truly sorry for the way it played out"!
<S> earl
No need to. The best that can happen to the MA is a big battle, and a big battle it was for sure. Reminds me of the good ole days, with major bomb raids being a regular excercise. Far too few of them in these days :old:
:airplane: :uhoh I am embarrassed to say the least! This is not the way I operate! I normally fly bomber missions at 13K to promote air combat, which is what this game is all about! I would point out that we were bounced about 3/4 sector away from the strats and that is when the discussion started about dropping bombs. My intention the whole time and that is why I announced it here in the forum, was to fly to strats, RTB to a friendly base A41, then turn and attack some close by base as we had a huge horde of bombers and fighters.
It was never MY intention for things to develop the way that they did, and if I had it to over again, would have done it in the training arena as someone has pointed out. The problem with that is guys have to back out of the main arena and then rejoin and we had several squads represented in the flight.
Barbara's Memorial was held at church yesterday at 3PM and with the memorial flight last night, I felt I was doing what she wanted me to do to honor her!
All I can say is " I am truly sorry for the way it played out"!
Mrs ET loved to sit and watch and even fly some of the B-29 missions. When ET started the flight it was not the goal to bomb. But question what would Mrs. ET want and it was said that she would want us to drop eggs. Hence forth the alerts on 200 and the dropping of eggs
:huh Horse apples. Do not ever use a memorial flight being hit as an excuse to do what you did. You're pathetic little people if you do. Any memorial flight takes the chance of being hit when they try to do them in the MA instead of another arena. You knew that before you upped and those who attack it get to be publicly called out and shamed. If you were as embarrassed as you say Earl, I am sure you bailed out before toggling anything as protest right? That is how a memorial flight is supposed to end anyways, with every pilot offering up a death by bailing to end the flight, as dramatically as they care to make it, and float to earth under silk. No one is supposed to get kills because it shouldn't be done in the MA anyway.
Congrats, you have just changed the rules. There will not be any memorial flights left alone and when they start crying "why" everyone will tell them because earl and his cronies ruined it forever. I will attack any and all I see now and encourage others to as well. I will make sure I let as many new guys know the new rules as well.
Your pathetic online behavior is one example of the lousy players we have in the game now. While it used to be a few players now and then, the numbers have increased to the point people don't enjoy being online as much as they once did. This is evidence of why numbers are dropping, not graphics, gvs, or astronauts, but lame game play, pure and simple.
Wow! Kick a guy when he's at most likely the lowest part of his life over a $14.95 a month cartoon game when some slug chose to jump the well advertised memorial flight. Talk about pathetic and lame. The one that chose to jump the flight changed the rules, not Earl.
Earl doesn't deserve this. Any of this. You people whining about some virtual tool shed being bombed are out of line. Way out of line.
The fact that a thread was ever started this make me sick. Period. To be on here squeaking about how bombs were dropped and all this BS that followed is truely disrespectful and disgusting. In case some of you forget, this is only a game! A GAME!! No one got hurt, no one had their life ruined because some bombs were dropped on a game base. The fact is that a mans wife passed away. Thats real life. What ever you think of the man, at least try to be a decent person and show him some respect during this difficult time instead of getting on here to cry about how your feelings got hurt.This
Earl is not one of those who have lost my respect in this thread.
He clearly didn't even respect his own wife's passing
We had every intention of going in cold.
Sir, I advise you swallow some bleach.
B.S. - So why, then, were the bombers heavy? Why did they go to an enemy strat, and not their own?
That being said, to play off the emotion of the overwhelmingly vast majority of the Knights who wanted to give their respect by allowing the airspace is just as deplorable as you accuse others of being.
Sorry, but a fully armed mass bomber run to the enemy's main target is just a very bad idea for a peaceful, non-combat memorial mission. I never had the though they did not wanted to be attacked, else they would never had carried bombs to the strats in B-29s, else they would have done it either in the SEA, or at least had plotted a course steering way clear of any critical targets (there's enough room for that on Tagma).
So it was very clear for me from the start it's all about combat, and boy! Combat we did have! One of the largest missions in years, and very alert escort fighters almost bagged me more than once... great fun! Thank you for that... and feel free to do more such missions. :rock
Earl doesn't deserve this. Any of this. You people whining about some virtual tool shed being bombed are out of line. Way out of line.
What a snappy comeback! Do you have a point or are you just another sad troll?
If you will read earls post you will see why the bombers were heavy. It was a pre agreed on flight plan with the support of many knights.
It may have been a lot of knights but there were enough on that attacked the formation to cause us to react in the way we did,which was to go guns hot and drop bombs.
I wouldn't call two full sectors of dar bar and lost formations of b29s prior to reaching the strats allowed airspace. I say it again If we hadn't (escorts) gone guns hot there wouldn't have been any b29s left to drop ords. That said there is no excuse for the personal attacks on earls character in this post. There was no deliberate play on anyones emotions from the missions point of view.
So, you attacked a well advertised memorial flight because in your opinion you knew better? :bhead Shame on you, you disgust me sir. And the same goes to everyone that attacked this memorial flight.
The intentions of the flight were well advertised on this forum. They stated that at the end of the flight, they would target a near by airfield or two. That's why they were heavy. Seems pretty crystal clear to me!
So, you attacked a well advertised memorial flight because in your opinion you knew better? :bhead Shame on you, you disgust me sir. And the same goes to everyone that attacked this memorial flight.
The point of this thread should be obvious; just because it took place online doesn't make what happened any less disrespectful, and we should no just sweep it under the rug, as you so idiotically advised.
Your moral indignation is as ridiculous as the one of those Knights screaming bloody murder and personally attacking a griefing old man just because bombs were dropped. All of you should ask your doctor for a presciption of common sense.
Please remember, the MA is where Santa Claus often gets vulched on Christmas Eve so pretty much anything goes... kills will be recorded no matter what peace flag you are flying.
This is not about some about some Trojan Horse tactic to get to anyone's strat. It was about a group of people who wanted to make another member feel cared for, in a time of grief, by showing some solidarity and flying together (from multiple AH countries). If they wanted it for filming as a Memorial Flight, the training corp could have set them up in a different arena. That's what we have done in the past.
Expecting everyone to "know" what is going on and/or respecting that in the MA is basically delusional and in the long run, kills were made, buildings were blown up. However, those who were pilots which were shot down immediately reupped to fight again in brand new planes, and the buildings which were destroyed magically rebuilt in a few hours. Earl's wife is gone... forever. Now get off his back guys and learn to separate a damn game and real life for a change. There are bigger things in this world than the Late War Arena map.
:salute ET, I'm truly sorry for your loss.
Did you even read what I said? Nice ad hominem slander style, BTW. Dot-ignore much?
It doesn't mater what was planned or what happened, It doesn't mater if earl even PLANNED to do this as a "ruse" (which im certain he didn't). But what is the disgusting part is that you internet warriors are ACTUALLY SAYING EARL DID NOT RESPECT HIS WIFE'S DEATH BECAUSE OF THIS IS ABSURD! You ALL should be ashamed to say this at the lowest part of earl's life. I doesn't mater what the hell earl planned to do but saying he didn't care about his wifes passing is mean not only mean but is a low life scum thing to say.
You all ought to be ashamed of what you said to earl, I hope you get the help you need to understand the difference between a SILLY GAME and REAL LIFE.
You know a lot of people ask why are we losing players... people like the ones in this thread who are such trolls and no lifes that they have to make someone feel bad after they just lost a loved one. And the ones in other threads who make fun of the new guys when they ask for help or make a wish on the wish list. Its disgusting
Pardon any spelling are grammar mistakes in the above this has me pretty mad.
To be honest, and you can call me a D-Bag all you
"Show some respect and just 'shaddup'"
Apparently violating the rules of a long-standing, highly respected event is like fight club; you just don't talk about it
+1 Olds
Please remember, the MA is where Santa Claus often gets vulched on Christmas Eve so pretty much anything goes... kills will be recorded no matter what peace flag you are flying.That about sums it up :salute
This is not about some about some Trojan Horse tactic to get to anyone's strat. It was about a group of people who wanted to make another member feel cared for, in a time of grief, by showing some solidarity and flying together (from multiple AH countries). If they wanted it for filming as a Memorial Flight, the training corp could have set them up in a different arena. That's what we have done in the past.
Expecting everyone to "know" what is going on and/or respecting that in the MA is basically delusional and in the long run, kills were made, buildings were blown up. However, those who were pilots which were shot down immediately reupped to fight again in brand new planes, and the buildings which were destroyed magically rebuilt in a few hours. Earl's wife is gone... forever. Now get off his back guys and learn to separate a damn game and real life for a change. There are bigger things in this world than the Late War Arena map.
:salute ET, I'm truly sorry for your loss.
This is as nothing compared to what is essentially a mud-slinging contest at a funeral. I feel all dirty and frankly I'm sorry I said anything at this point, but I stand by my friendly advice to show some respect and shaddup. Respect for dead loved ones trumps video game codes-of-honour all day every day.:airplane: This is a copy of the email I sent to about 115 people the day of the memorial flight:
Mrs ET loved to sit and watch and even fly some of the B-29 missions. When ET started the flight it was not the goal to bomb. But question what would Mrs. ET want and it was said that she would want us to drop eggs. Hence forth the alerts on 200 and the dropping of eggssomething I was thinking also......."let em have it Earl" along those lines. Been married 28 years Earl, sorry for your loss. My better half wont watch me fly with any interest, so if your wife was involved you were a lucky man! Hope to see you in the sky. Peace.
I started this thread because I felt that this was hijacked from Earl, and because I felt some of the flight members' actions showed poor form. I should have known that it would end up as a troll fest, and for that, Earl, I sincerely apologize. It surely seems to me, that despite life really sticking it to him, he does his best to remain positive and not dump his woes on others. A huge salute to you Earl, I really hope that if or when life craps all over me, I can show the same strength and courage in the face of adversity that you are. I never felt that this fiasco was your responsibility, and wasn't intending that you be bashed the way I have seen happen.:airplane: Thanks for your comments and I don't really think anyone intended to bash me over the flight. As I have said before, you guys in here is all the family I have left now, so lets just respect each others views and I will beg forgiveness when I shoot you down! LOL
something I was thinking also......."let em have it Earl" along those lines. Been married 28 years Earl, sorry for your loss. My better half wont watch me fly with any interest, so if your wife was involved you were a lucky man! Hope to see you in the sky. Peace.:airplane: I have had two wifes in my time, the first could have cared less if I was standing on my head in the commode, but Barbara, from day one, wanted immersed in every thing that I did! She loved this game and flew as much as she wanted to. She wouldn't log in, unless I was at home, but would go into off-line practice and work on things which I was teaching her. I started out with a X-52 stick and about the time she got used to that, I switched to a CH system with rudder peddles and it took her a while to get used to them, especially the brakes. Wish you guys could have seen her face the first time she actually landed the ole 29, without running off the runway. I would never fine another Barbara like her and I won't try, I had rather cherish the memories of "Bar Bar", as I called her!
.s ET37:airplane: Thnks :salute to you sir!
:airplane: I have had two wifes in my time, the first could have cared less if I was standing on my head in the commode, but Barbara, from day one, wanted immersed in every thing that I did! She loved this game and flew as much as she wanted to. She wouldn't log in, unless I was at home, but would go into off-line practice and work on things which I was teaching her. I started out with a X-52 stick and about the time she got used to that, I switched to a CH system with rudder peddles and it took her a while to get used to them, especially the brakes. Wish you guys could have seen her face the first time she actually landed the ole 29, without running off the runway. I would never fine another Barbara like her and I won't try, I had rather cherish the memories of "Bar Bar", as I called her!
:airplane: I have had two wifes in my time, the first could have cared less if I was standing on my head in the commode, but Barbara, from day one, wanted immersed in every thing that I did! She loved this game and flew as much as she wanted to. She wouldn't log in, unless I was at home, but would go into off-line practice and work on things which I was teaching her. I started out with a X-52 stick and about the time she got used to that, I switched to a CH system with rudder peddles and it took her a while to get used to them, especially the brakes. Wish you guys could have seen her face the first time she actually landed the ole 29, without running off the runway. I would never fine another Barbara like her and I won't try, I had rather cherish the memories of "Bar Bar", as I called her!
You sir, are an arrogant, pompous fool who needs to go crawl back in your hole and keep your mouth shut. You obviously don't know a thing about Earl or his darling wife. To even think such a thing, let alone say it, is inexcusable, insensitive, and completely out of line.
I will admit the quoted line was out of line and for that I appologize.Thank you. :salute
How do you feel about skydiving without a parachute? I'd like to get this memorial flight going sooner rather than later, sounds like fun. :lol:rofl
I joke of course! :salute
I will admit the quoted line was out of line and for that I appologize.:airplane: No problem! :salute
Earl,:salute Thank you sir!
You are one of this game and community's finest examples of fair play, and gentlemanly manner. My deepest sympathies for your loss sir. I can say this as a member of Duxford who was escorting that night we had no intentions of engaging, when it happened to be that some fighters were attacking we drove them off. Those that did not fire were not fired upon and a few were allowed to pass through the group. As a show of respect after the mission because of the actions of both sides Duxford stood down for the evening and we all logged. Stuff happens and mistakes were made on both sides and we can sit and point fingers all we want. To sit and accuse a man who has never in the time I have played this game with him has done nothing unfair sneaky or cowardly is just way off. Let it go chalk it up to a learning experience and move on. Earl once again I think I speak for all of the guys in Duxford Wing when I say we are truly saddened by the loss of your wife and our deepest sympathies go out to you. We look forward to continued cooperation with you and your fine outfit and Duxford will always stand ready to escort your bombers anywhere and at anytime!!