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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Max on December 04, 2013, 04:32:52 PM
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I've dealt with 2 episodes of kidney stones in the last 3 years. A CT done yesterday revealed a 9 mm stone at the base of my left Ureter...almost .5 " :cry
My GP doc is out of town till Friday. Anyone have one this large pass from their kidney? How did you deal with it? From what I read, 9mm is too large to pass thru the yardstick.
:bhead :cry
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Wow I don't even want to try to image passing that.
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Wow I don't even want to try to image passing that.
It isn't fun having kidney stones.
I've had 6 in the past 7 years.
Sigh, I hate genetics sometimes. Got it from my mom's side of the family (great grandma had over 80 in her lifetime, 1st was at 9.)
I was 11 when I had my 1st kidney stone, pissed so much blood I thought I was going to die. Even my family freaked out, especially when they found out it was a kidney stone.
:eek:
Hope you can pass it or have the "sound" treatment done.
(Sound treatment being they put you in a tub with water and use soundwaves to destroy the kidney stone, had this done for 2 of mine).
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100% Cranberry juice, not that mixed crap.
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Kidney stones huh....I passed a few don't remember the size I guess it was supposed to hurt, the doc said it would......
didnt at all...then again I just got off of being tube fed through my chest for 4 and a half months, with pancrentitus(sp?)
made Kindey stones feel like a morning breeze.
right before you know you are going to pass them.......take a hammer smash the big toe.....guaranteed you will not feel the stones. :D
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Kidney stones huh....I passed a few don't remember the size I guess it was supposed to hurt, the doc said it would......
didnt at all...then again I just got off of being tube fed through my chest for 4 and a half months, with pancrentitus(sp?)
made Kindey stones feel like a morning breeze.
right before you know you are going to pass them.......take a hammer smash the big toe.....guaranteed you will not feel the stones. :D
I dislocated my right knee on my 3rd stone, didn't feel it. I sure felt my knee though :lol.
Of all things I was dancing at the 8th grade "prom" dance. Freaked my girlfriend out.
After the 4th stone I don't feel them, to be honest. My "tubes" have expanded to the point were some slip through, I get the occasional pain every now and then, but mostly it's fine.
Happy to hear you are doing better :aok
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drink more water
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Haven't had them years (cross fingers) but passed one that looked like a .22 bullet. No pain but those little mother fornicators hurt like hell.
Change your diet. As mentioned, cranberry juice.
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I dislocated my right knee on my 3rd stone, didn't feel it. I sure felt my knee though :lol.
Of all things I was dancing at the 8th grade "prom" dance. Freaked my girlfriend out.
After the 4th stone I don't feel them, to be honest. My "tubes" have expanded to the point were some slip through, I get the occasional pain every now and then, but mostly it's fine.
Happy to hear you are doing better :aok
thanx man I am doing better.... :salute
I separated my shoulder when I was 16....... that was a b%$#h, but nothing compared to the pancrentitus....I found out I had it over 15 years ago....and nothing compares........... nothing.......doctors say it is the most painful disease there is and is worse then a woman giving birth.....I know 5 people that died from it after having it for less then a couple years.....I am going on 16 years now with it......imagine if you will a rolling pin made of white hot fire, rolling up and down the inside of your stomach(this is a typical day if I push too much fat into my system).....then imagine a pain so severe that it dropped me to my knees and I was unable to vocalize words......within 15 minutes of being in the emergency room I was having demoral pumped into my arse cheek....even that pain felt good compared....having my 4 foot Alligator almost rip off a couple of fingers didn't even come close to it. :O
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100% Cranberry juice, not that mixed crap.
errrmmmm... not even. i thought the same after getting my first one (two so far thanks to dad's genes) cranberry juice might actually accelerate the formation of stones...
cranberry juice is good for bladder infections.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/958.html
Kidney stones: Cranberry juice and cranberry extracts contain a large amount of a chemical called oxalate. In fact, there is some evidence that some cranberry extract tablets can boost the level of oxalate in the urine by as much as 43%. Since kidney stones are made primarily from oxalate combined with calcium, healthcare providers worry that cranberry might increase the risk of kidney stones. If you have a history of kidney stones, avoid taking cranberry extract products or drinking a lot of cranberry juice.
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Drinking water. Drinking as much as 2 to 3 quarts a day may help flush out your urinary system. Unless your doctor tells you otherwise, drink enough fluid mostly water — not vodka or moonshine :eek:....to produce clear or nearly clear urine.
Using sound waves to break up stones. For certain kidney stones — depending on size and location — your doctor may recommend a procedure called extracorporeal? shock wave lithotripsy?. SWL uses sound waves to create strong vibrations that break the stones into tiny pieces that can be passed in your urine. The procedure lasts about 45 to 60 minutes and can cause moderate pain, so you may be under sedation or light anesthesia to make you comfortable :banana:. SWL can cause blood in the urine, bruising on the back or abdomen, bleeding around the kidney and other adjacent organs, and discomfort as the stone fragments pass through the urinary tract.
:bolt:
My mother had it as well ......Most attacks of pancreatitis need treatment in the hospital. Your doctor will give you pain medicine and fluids through a vein (IV) until the pain and swelling go away.
Fluids and air build up in your stomach when you have problems with your pancreas. The buildup can cause severe vomiting. If buildup occurs, your doctor might place a tube through your nose and into your stomach to remove the extra fluids and air. This will help make the pancreas less active and swollen.
Although most people get better after an attack of pancreatitis, problems will occur. Problems include cysts, infection, and/or death of tissue in the pancreas.
You might need surgery to remove your gallbladder or the part of the pancreas that you damaged.
If your pancreas has been severely damaged, you may need to take insulin to help your body control blood sugar. You also may need to take pancreatic enzyme pills to help your body digest fat and protein.
If you have chronic pancreatitis, you will need to follow a low-fat diet and stop drinking alcohol. You may also take medicine to manage your pain. Making changes like these may seem hard. But with planning, talking with your doctor, and getting support from family and friends, these changes are possible.
:airplane: :banana:
:cheers:
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Interesting Ink. My wife used to get these at least once a year. She then had an old school doctor tell her to drink cranberry juice. She does so on a regular basis, once a month or so she'll buy a gallon and drink it for a week. She hasn't had one for a decade now.
This is not scientific just old school and worked. Based on Ink's thought I would do a little research.
boo
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My first stone was the size of the OP's. Thought I was gonna die. It had the tube totally blocked so everything behind it was getting backed up. Had to go in for a stone extraction where they knock you out then shove the jaws of life up your wang and pull it out. The stent you gotta keep in for a week or two after is like pissing razor blades. Luckily I've been able to pass the other three I've had, but none of them are fun.
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Drinking water. Drinking as much as 2 to 3 quarts a day may help flush out your urinary system. Unless your doctor tells you otherwise, drink enough fluid mostly water — not vodka or moonshine :eek:....to produce clear or nearly clear urine.
Using sound waves to break up stones. For certain kidney stones — depending on size and location — your doctor may recommend a procedure called extracorporeal? shock wave lithotripsy?. SWL uses sound waves to create strong vibrations that break the stones into tiny pieces that can be passed in your urine. The procedure lasts about 45 to 60 minutes and can cause moderate pain, so you may be under sedation or light anesthesia to make you comfortable :banana:. SWL can cause blood in the urine, bruising on the back or abdomen, bleeding around the kidney and other adjacent organs, and discomfort as the stone fragments pass through the urinary tract.
:bolt:
My mother had it as well ......Most attacks of pancreatitis need treatment in the hospital. Your doctor will give you pain medicine and fluids through a vein (IV) until the pain and swelling go away.
Fluids and air build up in your stomach when you have problems with your pancreas. The buildup can cause severe vomiting. If buildup occurs, your doctor might place a tube through your nose and into your stomach to remove the extra fluids and air. This will help make the pancreas less active and swollen.
Although most people get better after an attack of pancreatitis, problems will occur. Problems include cysts, infection, and/or death of tissue in the pancreas.
You might need surgery to remove your gallbladder or the part of the pancreas that you damaged.
If your pancreas has been severely damaged, you may need to take insulin to help your body control blood sugar. You also may need to take pancreatic enzyme pills to help your body digest fat and protein.
If you have chronic pancreatitis, you will need to follow a low-fat diet and stop drinking alcohol. You may also take medicine to manage your pain. Making changes like these may seem hard. But with planning, talking with your doctor, and getting support from family and friends, these changes are possible.
:airplane: :banana:
:cheers:
I did 1 month in the hospital tube fed and 3 and a half months in home care tube fed..no food went down my gullet for 4 and a half months.... :O...I had a cyst on my pancreas that was the size of a grapefruit..it absorbed back into itself which the doctor didn't understand :headscratch:........the doctor says to me...so mr Fields you must like to drink......I says nope don't drink at all....hmmm eat a lot he asks...I say...well I am not 270 lbs for nothing..... :rofl
the best trip I ever had was on demoral and morphine....4 days straight in the hospital :rock
I eventually had my gall bladder removed, that is what caused my pancrentitus...... gall stones...since I was about 12 yo....until I was 29....imagine that......to this day I deal with the stomach pain.....I try keep the fat intake lo but not like I used to, for a long time I was on a very strict diet of 10 grams of fat a day, which is how I lost 95 lbs in 6 months :O
on another note now is as good as a time as any to say to you specifically I am sorry for insulting you in the past....I am a hot headed arse sometimes(well most of the time :o)....and truly I should not have allowed my real world life to effect me the way it did.......
you probably don't care, and I can understand that, hell you don't know me, and I am sure the stories I have told seem far fetched and all....its easy to not believe me and just think I have lied.....which BTW not a thing I have said ever was a lie.....
I do want to say the talk I do about being locked up and breaking legs and all the other stuff is not about bragging but more the power of love......and how it has changed me....but as you know that old Paul comes out too easy sometimes.
just want you to know....what happened before is gone I hold no hard feelings and hope someday you will be able to do the same, I know we will never be buds or see the same....but maybe just maybe you will be able to see that I am a man of my word and hold God....Honor.....and integrity above all else. :salute
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drink more water
this, too. :aok
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Interesting Ink. My wife used to get these at least once a year. She then had an old school doctor tell her to drink cranberry juice. She does so on a regular basis, once a month or so she'll buy a gallon and drink it for a week. She hasn't had one for a decade now.
This is not scientific just old school and worked. Based on Ink's thought I would do a little research.
boo
I think you mean Shane :noid
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Ink is right.
Pain is relative.
I fell 25 feet while working, about 10 years ago.
My right leg was completely shattered just below the hip. I was in the hospital for 2 weeks, a wheel chair for almost 6 months. I lived in a rented hospital bed in my living room for almost a year...
I dislocated my shoulder a few months ago in a basketball game... I hardly noticed, even when they were putting it back into place.
Experience real pain and the minor stuff becomes.... well... pretty minor...
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Ink is right.
Pain is relative.
I fell 25 feet while working, about 10 years ago.
My right leg was completely shattered just below the hip. I was in the hospital for 2 weeks, a wheel chair for almost 6 months. I lived in a rented hospital bed in my living room for almost a year...
I dislocated my shoulder a few months ago in a basketball game... I hardly noticed, even when they were putting it back into place.
Experience real pain and the minor stuff becomes.... well... pretty minor...
the worst pain I ever felt by far....is the thought I would lose my wife and the death of my 14 yr old brother when I was 10.
that kind of pain is forever and nothing gets rid of it....
physical pain ehh...I tattooed the ol donut for an hour.... :D
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my gawd guys, drinking beer is the best thing to flush out the stones.
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100% Cranberry juice, not that mixed crap.
R u sure?
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R u sure?
Trust me... The mixed stuff is terrible.
I always thought the acid in cranberry juice is like Drano, guess not. I'd much rather learn that over a BBS than in real life.
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A short(now funny) story of Kidney stones and maybe the worst bedside manor for a Doctor. I went to see him for prostate cancer. As part of the first test, they did x-rays. At the end of the first cancer meeting to decide what to do(all well now) with him the Doc says, " Follow me. I have something extraordinary to show you."
We went down to the room that they use to view x-rays and he jabbed mine onto one of the x-ray view things. He said, " look at all those kidney stones and that one giant one(marble size). I've never seen anything like it."
Then he looked at me and wife and said," Of course with that other problem, we may not even have to worry about these."
My wife and I went out to get in the car. Look at each other and asked each other if he really said that then we broke out into a big laugh since it was so bizarre for him to say that.
My best advice, don't let yourself become dehydrated. Judge how much to drink by how often you pee. If you are not peeing regularly you are not drinking enough. If you drink a lot of soft drinks cut way back and switch to water. Not sure if this is a fix or not but I have a lemon tree and end up drinking lemonade more than most folks.
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Thanks for the replies, guys.
I do drink a LOT of water. I'm a chef by trade and the kitchen environment demands hydration = 1 gal of water daily on average. Urologists will suggest adding lime or lemon juice to the water, which I do when I'm able.
Just spoke with my primary care doc. Chances are one of two interventions will occur, shock wave therapy (which may cause excessive bleeding) or Ureteroscoy via the noodle....please God noooooooooooooooo.
I'll let you know what shakes out. Wish I COULD just shake it out :bhead
Randy1...I've been dealing with prostate cancer since '11. Wound up having robotic "Da Vinci" surgery to remove the prostate. Pathology reveal cancerous margins which led to 37 IRBT radiation treatments. So far, PSA tests have been very good. Shoot me a PM if you need to discuss your ordeal. Good luck!!
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Feel for you Max, broke my left arm, then broke my left leg at the ankle, had my appendicitis rupture, then had a kidney stone. I have NEVER had anything hurt that bad!!!!!!! Felt like a Mack truck coming down my back, lol turned out to be about the 1/8 the size of a pea. :pray
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Just spoke with my primary care doc. Chances are one of two interventions will occur, shock wave therapy (which may cause excessive bleeding) or Ureteroscoy via the noodle....please God noooooooooooooooo.
I'll let you know what shakes out. Wish I COULD just shake it out :bhead
I had both proceedures for a 1cm stone lodged in my right Kidney. Both procedures are no big deal because you are knocked out. The first attempt on my stone was by ureteroscope which was unsuccessful. The doctor feared he may have caused some trauma to my kidney, so I woke up with a stent. Another story and it wasn't any fun.
The second procedure was shock wave lithotripsypy, which was successful. Ending us peeing out a bunch of stones for a couple of weeks. Had very little discomfort when passing the busted up stones. Not sure why, because I have a long history of stones and have suffered through the pain, but I really had very little pain when passing these stones. I did have some pain pills on standby just in case.
I would suggest going with the shock wave Lithotripsypy since it is less evasive. There is a chance of bleeding of the kidneys, but there is no procedure without risk. I think the risk of using the scope is larger than the bleeding.
Fred
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damn, I feel like a wimp because yesterday for screaming while getting my monthly pedicure. since I have diabetes my gf makes sure my toe nails are always taken care of. she assisted in too many surgeries where they had to cut off toes just because of a bad nails.
semp
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Max I had the Divinci too but it failed so they had to switch to open surgery. That was five years ago and everything is good to go now. I hope your PSA stays low too.
To get my stones out they first put a tube to the kidney then the next day they went through the tube and busted them up, then did that again the next day, then a week latter finished it with the sound busting thing. None of these were bad at all so don't sweat the method. Man if you got past the prostate thing this stone business is a piece of cake. :)
It has been five years since the kidney stones. I have been lucky for sure.
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Why did Da Vinci fail?
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Sorry to hear you guys suffering: :pray
On top of genetics can add this artificial diet ,gmo overprocessed foods,most of the liquids we drink are made with fluoridated water and our long digestive tube was not designed for meat. But we are the happy humans to afood the daily food. I believe switching to mostly vegetarian diet ,@ any age can add years to our lives, and let the other creature enjoy the life as is written in our instruction manual.
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Why did Da Vinci fail?
Nobody is really sure. They had problems with my ventilation. My weight was not an issue nor my lung capacity. You know they turn you upside down. Anyway after several attempts they switched to the open. Not much difference anyway.
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Dunno about all the rest, but for me, personally, Kidney stones are the height of pain I have ever experienced. Luckily, all have passed without the need of surgery or stents or anything. As to the OP, I passed am 8mm stone, with flowmax, and percocet. I imagine a 9mm is passable as well, however, as with anything body related, everyones body is different, so your ureter could be smaller in diameter, or larger, etc.. (no jokes here please fromt he peanut gallery lol)
As has been said, WATER. LOTS OF WATER, and take the pain meds as prescribed, meaning, if it says every 6, take it every 6.. Pain is much easier to control than eliminate, which means, that, its harder to get rid of pain that is there, than it is to maintain pain relief. That being said, get off the pain meds ASAP after passing "the beast" or you can become addicted... and though I have never experienced it, I saw a friend go through opiate withdrawl (he got hooked on oxy after a motorcycle wreck) and it is not pleasant....
Best of luck to you sir...
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Dunno about all the rest, but for me, personally, Kidney stones are the height of pain I have ever experienced. Luckily, all have passed without the need of surgery or stents or anything. As to the OP, I passed am 8mm stone, with flowmax, and percocet. I imagine a 9mm is passable as well, however, as with anything body related, everyones body is different, so your ureter could be smaller in diameter, or larger, etc.. (no jokes here please fromt he peanut gallery lol)
As has been said, WATER. LOTS OF WATER, and take the pain meds as prescribed, meaning, if it says every 6, take it every 6.. Pain is much easier to control than eliminate, which means, that, its harder to get rid of pain that is there, than it is to maintain pain relief. That being said, get off the pain meds ASAP after passing "the beast" or you can become addicted... and though I have never experienced it, I saw a friend go through opiate withdrawl (he got hooked on oxy after a motorcycle wreck) and it is not pleasant....
Best of luck to you sir...
however if you get nausea and start throwing up, that could be a sign you are taking too much pain medication.
semp