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Title: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 21, 2014, 11:28:06 AM
What are they thinking? Obvious answer is Fukushima. Just dig a tunnel there and dump the stuff, not like it's going to pollute the surroundings any further than it already is...  :noid
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Randy1 on February 21, 2014, 11:31:40 AM
Same problem here in the US.  Nobody wants the stuff. 

It is only a matter of time the US or another country has their own Fukushima.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Slate on February 21, 2014, 11:36:21 AM
  Al-Qaeda will take all you can send.  :old:
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Blooz on February 21, 2014, 02:05:18 PM
Yucca Mountain, Nevada or Carlsbad, New Mexico.

The USA could use the jobs.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: rpm on February 21, 2014, 06:30:54 PM
They should store it with the unused nuclear waste, but charge less.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Arlo on February 21, 2014, 06:38:40 PM
Yucca Mountain, Nevada or Carlsbad, New Mexico.

The USA could use the jobs.

Kenmore, New York, then.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: helbent on February 21, 2014, 06:56:05 PM
1600 PA Ave
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: bigsky on February 21, 2014, 11:25:50 PM
Kenmore, New York, then.
I agree, someplace in New York.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: BoilerDown on February 21, 2014, 11:33:17 PM
Kenmore, New York, then.
NIMBY tho.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: zack1234 on February 22, 2014, 03:09:33 AM
Send us their nuclear waste we will store it in Scotland :old:
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Arlo on February 22, 2014, 04:24:02 AM
Send us their nuclear waste we will store it in Scotland :old:

You forfeit your liver, scum.  :D
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Randy1 on February 22, 2014, 08:08:34 AM
The accident at Fukushima is blamed on the tidal wave but what the tidal wave was just the instrument.  All the nuclear plants have the same flaw.  The new plants being built are even more likely to have an accident since we have adopted Japen's way of licensing and building the plants.   The "Oh! That want happen here.  Trust me." licensing method.

Keep in mind the accident involved loss of cooling water.  Our power companies were quick to say, "Oh! That want happen here.  Trust me."  Untrue.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Blooz on February 22, 2014, 08:45:53 AM
Kenmore, New York, then.

Fine with me. We sure could use the work here.

Love Canal is just up the road. We could start by putting it there.

Next, put the rest over in West Valley at the nuclear fuel waste site there.

I've worked in the nuclear industry a good chunk of my life. It'd be nice to get back to good paying work again.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 22, 2014, 08:53:16 AM
The accident at Fukushima is blamed on the tidal wave but what the tidal wave was just the instrument.  All the nuclear plants have the same flaw.  The new plants being built are even more likely to have an accident since we have adopted Japen's way of licensing and building the plants.   The "Oh! That want happen here.  Trust me." licensing method.

Keep in mind the accident involved loss of cooling water.  Our power companies were quick to say, "Oh! That want happen here.  Trust me."  Untrue.

AFAIK the accident had nothing to do with loss of cooling water. The tidal wave and earthquake cut off the external source of power and flooded the emergency generators which stoped the cooling pumps and prevented the technicians from issuing an emergency shutdown. This lead into core meltdown and the resulting explosion was the reason for loss of cooling water.

The reliance on outside power is the achilles heel in nuclear power plants.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: BoilerDown on February 22, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
the accident had nothing to do with loss of cooling water.
This statement is one of those stupid things people say on the internet.  It obviously had something to do with the loss of cooling water. Don't give your own argument such an obvious flaw, for all of our sanity.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 22, 2014, 06:34:30 PM
This statement is one of those stupid things people say on the internet.  It obviously had something to do with the loss of cooling water. Don't give your own argument such an obvious flaw, for all of our sanity.


No, the loss of cooling water was a consequence of the main reason of failure, loss of flow of cooling water.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: mechanic on February 22, 2014, 08:02:25 PM
I'm sure Japan could work out a way of incorporating nuclear waste into their diverse and thriving sex industry.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: ReVo on February 22, 2014, 08:12:32 PM
I'm sure Japan could work out a way of incorporating nuclear waste into their diverse and thriving sex industry.

 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Meatwad on February 22, 2014, 11:04:14 PM
Forget doggy style, its now toxic avenger style. Complete with vibrating mop action  :D
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: icepac on February 22, 2014, 11:47:55 PM
They need to install convective cooling loops that can slough off the decay heat from a recently scrammed reactor as well as the spent fuel pools.

There are no power production reactors that can achieve cold shutdown without the need to pump millions of gallons of cooling fluid through them per day.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Rich46yo on February 23, 2014, 06:05:24 AM
You forfeit your liver, scum.  :D

Scots do anyway. :lol
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: HPriller on February 23, 2014, 06:16:58 AM
The technology exists for passive convective cooling loops but I think it's an issue of efficiency.  Designing a reactor around this would probably leave it too inefficient for economical power generation.

Back to the main problem at hand, all trolling aside.  Nuclear waste storage is a serious problem that should be dealt with, especially here in 'Murica.  The cancellation of the Yucca mountain disposal facility was a huge step backwards for us.  As it stands we store all the spent fuel rods on site at the various nuclear plants in ponds of water.  These things are scattered all over the place and require constant maintenance (keeping the water level topped off).  The really big messes occur when they go unattended and the water gets too low and the spent fuel is exposed (as happened at Fukushima).  Having all this waste converted to a less volatile form and buried deep in some mountain deep in the desert far from any major populations is the right solution.
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Randy1 on February 23, 2014, 06:58:25 AM
AFAIK the accident had nothing to do with loss of cooling water. The tidal wave and earthquake cut off the external source of power and flooded the emergency generators which stoped the cooling pumps and prevented the technicians from issuing an emergency shutdown. This lead into core meltdown and the resulting explosion was the reason for loss of cooling water.

The reliance on outside power is the achilles heel in nuclear power plants.

What you have to do is remove the decay heat.  Cooling water implies all cooling interactions.  Did you work in the nuke business on BWRs?
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: zack1234 on February 23, 2014, 07:09:24 AM
I'm sure Japan could work out a way of incorporating nuclear waste into their diverse and thriving sex industry.

you have been to  Japan?
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: HawkerMKII on February 23, 2014, 07:53:50 AM
1600 PA Ave

+1 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: HighTone on February 23, 2014, 09:21:32 AM
Another +1 for New York!
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: mechanic on February 23, 2014, 09:44:19 AM
you have been to  Japan?

Nah, not yet
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: lyric1 on February 23, 2014, 12:42:01 PM
Looking for a location???
Since Fukushima sushi is all the rage in the Pacific ocean I would say they have found it. :devil

Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: shotgunneeley on February 23, 2014, 01:31:57 PM
Not a true conspiracy test if it doesn't mention anything about the cover ups involving the moon landings, Area 51, or the existence of subterranean mole people  :old:

Edit: dang wrong thread   :o
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Meatwad on February 23, 2014, 03:53:49 PM
Not a true conspiracy test if it doesn't mention anything about the cover ups involving the moon landings, Area 51, or the existence of subterranean mole people  :old:

Edit: dang wrong thread   :o

Its a conspiracy  :noid
Title: Re: Japan trying to find a location for used nuclear waste storage
Post by: Arlo on February 24, 2014, 12:00:04 AM
Scots do anyway. :lol

True. But is he a Scot?  :D