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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Hetzer7 on April 07, 2014, 04:17:33 PM
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A good ally counterpart to the storch I think, hasn't been "wished for" on this board as far as I can tell, at least for some time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Lysander
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Westland_Lysander-B-MA.jpg/800px-Westland_Lysander-B-MA.jpg)
<S> - Hetzer
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+1, think it was also faster than the storch.
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In USAAF operation:
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/73/pics/3_1.jpg)
Could carry little bombs, also had two forward-firing Rifle caliber machine guns as well as twin lewis guns in rear cockpit:
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/73/pics/9_5.jpg)
If available at a VH hanger it would be pretty cool!
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+1, think it was also faster than the storch.
Yes sir; about 200 mph. ~900 hp engine in later marks :aok
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I would defiantly fly this for the defense of a v-base :D
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A good ally counterpart to the storch I think, hasn't been "wished for" on this board as far as I can tell, at least for some time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Lysander
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Westland_Lysander-B-MA.jpg/800px-Westland_Lysander-B-MA.jpg)
<S> - Hetzer
+1 :aok
I love your avatar by the way :lol
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Ratz, they only tested one with 20mm strapped to the wheel spats for potential strafing duty if the Germans invaded. But, even two .303 can pilot wound a 262 if you are lucky. And those tiny bombs might kill an M8 or disable a wirbel.
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Not a bad wish.
Those tiny bombs can outright destroy tanks if they get a direct hit. :aok
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It should be able to carry a could carry a few troops. The Lysander was famous for dropping OSS agents behind enemy lines at night. I just got my first Storch v Storch kill today...funny trying to get your opponent on your 6~ fun fight.
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+1
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+1 small bomb, sups , forward firing303's ,smoke
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+1
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It should be able to carry a could carry a few troops. The Lysander was famous for dropping OSS agents behind enemy lines at night. I just got my first Storch v Storch kill today...funny trying to get your opponent on your 6~ fun fight.
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+1 on the wish, and you should be able to select an OSS agent in the hangar, just because :old:
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+1 on the wish, and you should be able to select an OSS agent in the hangar, just because :old:
A sultry femme fatale in a black beret? Who'd push her out of a plane?
-1 on the wish, you're not considering the poor Ki-43 pilots who were former Brewster pilots will have to change planes again.
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Ya knowwww......
Hitech could add an achievement that the pilot gets for shooting down fighters with it. At the same time a list pops in on the next line with the poor SOBs names the Lysander shot down to earn the achievement. Or every time a Lysander pilot shoots down a fighter, well you know whats next..........
HOST: numpti landed 2 kills in a Lysander
HOST: numpti killed ooppsies P51D, biopsies spit16
you can imagine from here down the world will .s both players and flood the buffer.
Wonder how it turns with the Brewster and the Ki43?
Now add the Fw 189 with this, and those could be some achievements and kills landed messages.
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Wonder how it turns with the Brewster and the Ki43?
Empty weights has the Lysander about 33% lower wing loading (not that it's a fighter of course). Going to need a sick-bag to fight in this one :banana: :joystick: (http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3310/pukel.gif)
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But, there will be AH sticks who will make sure a kill on them goes into the annals of "ROLF" at the expense of the killers. And those poor GVers will lobby to have the bombs removed form this one. So these are 100lb bombs....wonder what they will do to engine hatches??
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french planes!
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,351840.msg4652753.html#msg4652753
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But, there will be AH sticks who will make sure a kill on them goes into the annals of "ROLF" at the expense of the killers. And those poor GVers will lobby to have the bombs removed form this one. So these are 100lb bombs....wonder what they will do to engine hatches??
Good point. I hadn't really considered 100lb bombs on this thing, just the little antipersonnel bombs which would really only be effective vs jeeps and maybe the halftracks. Of course the 1000ft flight to arm rule for the 100lb bomb would present a bit of a challenge. I wouldn't make that an option in AH myself.
Thanks all for considering the Lysander!
<S> - Hetz
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Good point. I hadn't really considered 100lb bombs on this thing, just the little antipersonnel bombs which would really only be effective vs jeeps and maybe the halftracks. Of course the 1000ft flight to arm rule for the 100lb bomb would present a bit of a challenge. I wouldn't make that an option in AH myself.
Thanks all for considering the Lysander!
<S> - Hetz
Hetzers gonna hetz :cheers: was a good idea
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Good point. I hadn't really considered 100lb bombs on this thing, just the little antipersonnel bombs which would really only be effective vs jeeps and maybe the halftracks. Of course the 1000ft flight to arm rule for the 100lb bomb would present a bit of a challenge. I wouldn't make that an option in AH myself.
Thanks all for considering the Lysander!
<S> - Hetz
100lbs onto the top of a tank would almost certainly knock it out. HE arty rounds with vastly less explosive yield, routinely destroyed armoured vehicles :old:
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100lbs onto the top of a tank would almost certainly knock it out. HE arty rounds with vastly less explosive yield, routinely destroyed armoured vehicles :old:
I've hit a Tiger I with a 500lb bomb in AH (got a hit sprite) and didn't kill it. The second bomb I dropped at the same time exploded right next to the Tiger and also didn't kill it.
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I've hit a Tiger I with a 500lb bomb in AH (got a hit sprite) and didn't kill it. The second bomb I dropped at the same time exploded right next to the Tiger and also didn't kill it.
Where did you hit it? I've seen some screenies of a HVAR hitting the top of the turret and knocking out a Tiger.
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Where did you hit it? I've seen some screenies of a HVAR hitting the top of the turret and knocking out a Tiger.
Long time ago, but I think it was either on the side, top deck or side of the turret.
With a 500lb bomb it really ought not to have mattered.
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Probably would be best if the Lysander, with its greater offensive capabilities than the storch, would be considered as an airfield-only spotter aircraft. I think the allies need a gv field spotter aircraft, like the L4 Grasshopper.
<S> - Hetz
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I've hit a Tiger I with a 500lb bomb in AH (got a hit sprite) and didn't kill it. The second bomb I dropped at the same time exploded right next to the Tiger and also didn't kill it.
I don't bomb Gv's much because I have dire accuracy. Nevertheless, if a 100lb he dropped onto the top of almost any modern GV, then your example suggests some issues with GV Integrity
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Pretty cool little plane. +1
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One of the ugliest planes ever built. I would be glad to shoot them down.
Aircraft ID 101:
If it is ugly, it's British.
If it is weird it's French.
If it is ugly AND weird, it's Russian.
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One of the ugliest planes ever built. I would be glad to shoot them down.
Aircraft ID 101:
If it is ugly, it's British.
If it is weird it's French.
If it is ugly AND weird, it's Russian.
Spitfire??? Don't talk gibberish
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Spitfire??? Don't talk gibberish
Every human rule has an exception.
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One of the ugliest planes ever built. I would be glad to shoot them down.
Aircraft ID 101:
If it is ugly, it's British.
If it is weird it's French.
If it is ugly AND weird, it's Russian.
Mosquito? Concorde? TSR2?...
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English Electric Lightning
Sea Vixen
Tempest
Hunter
Mosquito
Hawker Hind
Dewoitine
Raffle
Su27
Mig 29
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-1 on the wish, you're not considering the poor Ki-43 pilots who were former Brewster pilots will have to change planes again.
I'm crazy but not that crazy.....well maybe not all the time.
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English Electric Lightning
Sea Vixen
Tempest
Hunter
Mosquito
Hawker Hind
Dewoitine
Raffle
Su27
Mig 29
Ugly.
Ugly.
Okay.
Ugly.
Okay.
Ugly.
Weird.
Okay. (What's a RAFFLE?)
Okay.
Ugly and Weird.
Not all Brit planes are ugly, but if it is ugly you can bet it is British. Same in regard to the other categories.
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Mosquito? Concorde? TSR2?...
Okay. Okay. Ugly.
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The Brewster.
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Ok Vraciu :ahand
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The Brewster.
By far the UGLIEST plane in AH, plus it's overmodled for representing the large majority of brewsters, only 44 b239 models made. The brew should be replaced with the F2A IMO, but that's for another thread...
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Not all Brit planes are ugly, but if it is ugly you can bet it is British. Same in regard to the other categories.
Of course the Super Crusader, A-10, B52 etc are all beautiful :bhead
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By far the UGLIEST plane in AH, plus it's overmodled for representing the large majority of brewsters, only 44 b239 models made. The brew should be replaced with the F2A IMO, but that's for another thread...
Only because there isn't a Lysander.
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Of course the Super Crusader, A-10, B52 etc are all beautiful :bhead
Heck yeah they are. Far better looking than any Brit equivalent. Unless you count the Vulcan. Ugly cockpit but the wing is nice.
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Ok Vraciu :ahand
Lol
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By far the UGLIEST plane in AH, plus it's overmodled for representing the large majority of brewsters, only 44 b239 models made. The brew should be replaced with the F2A IMO, but that's for another thread...
:rolleyes:
I agree that the F2A-3 should be added so that the B-239 can cease being used in Pacific/CBI settings, but there is no reason at all to deny Continuation War settings the B-239.
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:rolleyes:
I agree that the F2A-3 should be added so that the B-239 can cease being used in Pacific/CBI settings, but there is no reason at all to deny Continuation War settings the B-239.
There where very few made and their kills where on inexpericed Russian pilots.
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There where very few made and their kills where on inexpericed Russian pilots.
That has no bearing on its appropriateness at all. Literally none.
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If it didn't have forward firing guns I'd say yes, but it would render the Stork unused.
The balance would be a similar aircraft to the Stork so people choose preference between Allied and Axis, not capabilities.
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Heck yeah they are. Far better looking than any Brit equivalent. Unless you count the Vulcan. Ugly cockpit but the wing is nice.
Vulcan was the 52 Brit equivalent :old:
Fairey made some stunning airframes, most of which were horribly plagiarised by the US.
Vampire was beautiful and you lose any kind of credibility as regards views of aircraft design when you class the English Electric Lightning as ugly. :old:
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Aircraft ID 101:
Come on then Vraciu, show us your wares. What's the most good-looking aircraft in the world to your eyes? Got a feeling it's American ;)
The Lysander was a Teddy Petter design who had a very sound process. Recommend looking into some of his other design work.
If it didn't have forward firing guns I'd say yes, but it would render the Stork unused.
Bet you drive a VW don't you Dolby? :eek:
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There was a very pretty plane I snapped at Waddington a few years back.
(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/481133_10152696679100161_1837725239_n.jpg)
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oooh yes, and a Hunter next to it if I am not very much mistaken :old:
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oooh yes, and a Hunter next to it if I am not very much mistaken :old:
Yes, she was a very pretty one too. I'll have to log back into Facebook to get that pic :)
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(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/156524_10152696679455161_69986691_n.jpg)
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Unfortunately she's the side by side which spoils the lines around the cockpit. There's a beauty as a gate guardian at RAF Cosford, and there are some stunning pics of the Hunters in action in Rhodesia in the 80's.
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Vulcan was the 52 Brit equivalent :old:
Fairey made some stunning airframes, most of which were horribly plagiarised by the US.
Vampire was beautiful and you lose any kind of credibility as regards views of aircraft design when you class the English Electric Lightning as ugly. :old:
That thing is hideous. Mig-21 nose, stacked engines, crazy wings, and shoulder mounted ordnance. Laughable. Terrible six view, too.
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That thing is hideous. Mig-21 nose, stacked engines, crazy wings, and shoulder mounted ordnance. Laughable. Terrible six view, too.
You don't need a six view when you're going faster than everything else :old: No the Migs have the Lightening's nose, they copied the solution so did many others.
I myself don't think it was particularly attractive but it was incredible for its day, so many innovations. Virtual wing fences, the first supercruise aircraft. Once a middle eastern test pilot took off on full afterburner (against recommendation). They didn't hear from him for several minutes. There's a documentary about it somewhere...
Anyway interestingly the chief designer of the Lightening was also Teddy Petter the designer of the Lysander :banana:
Anyway come on Vraciu, you've delayed long enough, cough up. Let's see your most beautiful aircraft or you're not allowed to post anymore.
It's a Brewster isn't it, a Brewster and you're embarrassed :banana: One of my favourite comments ever heard at the furball lake by some anonymous furballer: 'The last time I shot a Brewster down, 25 clowns bailed out'. :lol
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I like the F2G but not sure it is my favorite..... I will have to ponder the question.
It ain't British. That's for sure.
And you can't outrun a missile unless you're made of titanium....
Same designer, hence the ugliness. Is the Lightning pregnant?
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You don't need a six view when you're going faster than everything else
Heh. I believe that's the thought that resulted in so few 1939-41 planes sporting bubble canopies.
You may be the quickest now, but someone is going to catch up.
- oldman (a life observation)
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Heh. I believe that's the thought that resulted in so few 1939-41 planes sporting bubble canopies.
Well it was an interceptor after all.
It ain't British. That's for sure.
Well at least you are forthright about your prejudice.
And you can't outrun a missile unless you're made of titanium....
Titanium alloys are just another set of materials not missile repellant.
Same designer, hence the ugliness. Is the Lightning pregnant?
Well as I say you can indeed belabour the ugliness motif, but dismissing the Lightning or Lysander as poor design work is unrealistic and just seems to be motivated by cultural bias. Both aircraft met and exceeded their design briefs. Just a few lines from Wikipedia about the Lightning:
'Immediately after takeoff, the nose would be lowered for rapid acceleration to 430 KIAS before initiating a climb, stabilising at 450 KIAS. This would yield a constant climb rate of approximately 20,000 ft/min... A Lightning flying at optimum climb profile would reach 36,000 ft in under three minutes'.
'The official ceiling of the Lightning was kept secret; low security RAF documents would often state 60,000+ ft. In September 1962, Fighter Command organised interception trials on Lockheed U-2As at heights of around 60,000-65,000 ft, which were temporarily based at RAF Upper Heyford to monitor Soviet nuclear tests. Climb techniques and flight profiles were developed to put the Lightning into a suitable attack position. To avoid risking the U-2, the Lightning was not permitted any closer than 5,000 ft and could not fly in front of the U-2. For the actual intercepts, four Lightning F1As conducted eighteen solo sorties. The sorties proved that, under GCI, successful intercepts could be made at up to 65,000 ft. Due to sensitivity, details of these flights were deliberately avoided in the pilot log books'.
'Brian Carroll compared the Lightning and the F-15C Eagle, having flown both aircraft, stating that: "Acceleration in both was impressive, you have all seen the Lightning leap away once brakes are released, the Eagle was almost as good'.
Another good design from Petter was the English Electric Canberra which the Americans built under license as the Martin B-57 and was only retired from service there in 1983. It was also noted for excellent performance and docile handling. So either Petter was an excellent designer or just very very lucky :D
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Well at least you are forthright about your prejudice.
Titanium alloys are just another set of materials not missile repellant.
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It isn't prejudice, just truth. The Brits build ugly planes.
Also, way to whiff on the titanium reference. :rolleyes:
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It isn't prejudice, just truth. The Brits build ugly planes.
Also, way to whiff on the titanium reference. :rolleyes:
Well thought out and erudite response
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Well thought out and erudite response
I prefer "brief and to the point" but thanks.
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I was being ironic :aok
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I was being ironic :aok
Yes, we know.
But in your attempt at irony you spoke truth. I thank you again.
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It isn't prejudice, just truth. The Brits build ugly planes.
No it is your opinion, to which you are indeed entitled. Prejudice, is any preconceived opinion or irrational hostile attitude which you've done an excellent job of illustrating throughout this thread.
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No it is your opinion, to which you are indeed entitled. Prejudice, is any preconceived opinion or irrational hostile attitude which you've done an excellent job of illustrating throughout this thread.
Nope. Just an observable fact as illustrated by that hideous airplane in the thread title. That you disagree simply proves that ugly chicks are attractive to SOMEONE.
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Nope. Just an observable fact as illustrated by that hideous airplane in the thread title. That you disagree simply proves that ugly chicks are attractive to SOMEONE.
You need some quiet time in a room with a dictionary.
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You need some quiet time in a room with a dictionary.
Would this room be a vacuum? Please be a vacuum!
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Just to add to this discussion, giving 'attack' perks to a Storch (or this case the Lysander) when they either auger an attacking fighter or, they drop smoke within X yards of a GV and it is killed within Y minutes.
Incentive the use of spotter planes, create a market then adding another version down the road becomes useful.
My two cents.
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You need some quiet time in a room with a dictionary.
I was gonna suggest a lobotomy, but that seems to have already happened for ya'. ;)
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I was gonna suggest a lobotomy, but that seems to have already happened for ya'. ;)
Ah, that embarrassing moment when you realize you are bickering with a teenager (or even worse an adult which developed no further). Here's another word you can add to your dictionary list Vraciu: fail. And here's why you should look this word up:
For all your (not particularly original) Brit-bashing prejudice and your apparent Murica f**k-yeah level of education, you do seem very happy in Aces High to fly an aircraft which had a British engine. :lol :ahand
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Ah, that embarrassing moment when you realize you are bickering with a teenager (or even worse an adult which developed no further). Here's another word you can add to your dictionary list Vraciu: fail. And here's why you should look this word up:
For all your (not particularly original) Brit-bashing prejudice and your apparent Murica f**k-yeah level of education, you do seem very happy in Aces High to fly an aircraft which had a British engine. :lol :ahand
Actually, I fly it because it is a POS. It is underpowered. Hence the British engine is its weakest link. It's a challenge thing.
Nice try. :rofl :aok
Now, go study German (and the reference to titanium). We won't be around to save your arses a third time.
(Five - zip. Free advice: Quit now...before you're further behind.)
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Actually, I fly it because it is a POS. It is underpowered. Hence the British engine is its weakest link. It is a challenge thing.
You fly a P-51D because it's an underpowered POS? Yes your score does rather indicate it's a challenge for you.
Now, go study German (and the reference to titanium). We won't be around to save your arses a third time.
:lol Yes America entered the war precisely when it did only to save British arses. The historical evidence for that is absolutely convincing and this opinion well held outside of the redneck community. Not. :lol
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That's utter nonsense! Everybody knows that the prettiest aircraft ever designed is the Do-335! :old:
(http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/916/Dornier_Do_335_Pfeil_WP.jpg)
And everybody likes a special kind of nice things, that's a fact! :old:
(http://s7.postimg.org/kdjxw1yu1/azb9_P9q_460sa.gif)
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Another day, another thread Vraciu proves he is an utter moron.
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We won't be around to save your arses a third time.
Aren't you american? I'd never have guessed you're russian :lol
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Aren't you american? I'd never have guessed you're russian :lol
lol He doesn't realise that if the USA stayed out of WW2, Russia would have walked all the way to the Spanish border.
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You fly a P-51D because it's an underpowered POS? Yes your score does rather indicate it's a challenge for you.
:lol Yes America entered the war precisely when it did only to save British arses. The historical evidence for that is absolutely convincing and this opinion well held outside of the redneck community. Not. :lol
My score this tour is irrelevant for a host of factors.
And considering without American Lend-Lease and Merchant Marines Britain would have been out of everything other than rocks...
Go look at who produced what during the war. Educate yourself if you can.
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lol He doesn't realise that if the USA stayed out of WW2, Russia would have walked all the way to the Spanish border.
Yes, so technically the Brits would be speaking Russian, having learned German in the interim.
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Another day, another thread Vraciu proves he is an utter moron.
Rule #4, tough guy.
Yeah, I am a moron. You got me. Lol. /sarcasm
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IBTL.
"This thread has gone off the runway." - Skuzzy
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My score this tour is irrelevant for a host of factors.
And considering without American Lend-Lease and Merchant Marines Britain would have been out of everything other than rocks...
Go look at who produced what during the war. Educate yourself if you can.
You're just too dim to continue to engage with, sorry.
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You're just too dim to continue to engage with, sorry.
Bright enough to slaughter your arguments. It isn't even a challenge.
If you're finished being embarrassed perhaps you could let the folks get back to discussing their ugly airplane.
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Bright enough to slaughter your arguments. It isn't even a challenge.
Yes indeed. More win than Charlie Sheen. Has rather cost you though wouldn't you say.
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Yes indeed. More win than Charlie Sheen. Has rather cost you though wouldn't you say.
Ran into him at Five Guys not too long ago. He looks better.
I just so happened to read about your premature infant son. I am disengaging from this wizzfest and wishing you both the best.
:salute
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hmm wow
So.. how about that Lysander?!? lol
As far as aircraft aesthetics are concerned I like to paraphrase Capt. Eric Brown when he saw the Ar234 for the first time and was about to flight test it: "If it looks right, it is right."
<S> - Hetz
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I'd prefer the Fw 189. 20mm cannons would be rather more useful than the Lysander's .303's. Sexier too :neener:.
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I'd prefer the Fw 189. 20mm cannons would be rather more useful than the Lysander's .303's. Sexier too :neener:.
I won't argue with that, and would make an awesome observation plane though Im not sure how many of the A4 versions where built. Even without the MG151s it would be a cool recce plane. In any case, it misses the point of the allies needing a counterpart to the storch, doesn't it?
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Actually, I fly it because it is a POS. It is underpowered. Hence the British engine is its weakest link. It's a challenge thing.
Nice try. :rofl :aok
Now, go study German (and the reference to titanium). We won't be around to save your arses a third time.
(Five - zip. Free advice: Quit now...before you're further behind.)
I adore the misconceptions generated by Ben Affect films
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+1 on the wish, and you should be able to select an OSS agent in the hangar, just because :old:
I am pretty sure dropping an OSS agent on a tank will not hurt the tank much, at all. Might mess up the tank optics,...but that would be about it.
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I am pretty sure dropping an OSS agent on a tank will not hurt the tank much, at all. Might mess up the tank optics,...but that would be about it.
:rofl
Absolutely!
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Spitfire??? Don't talk gibberish
UGLY
Did he stutter? :)
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UGLY
Did he stutter? :)
Well now you can only be trolling :old:
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Well now you can only be trolling :old:
Look at the grace and beauty of a real bird :old:
(http://www.cleveshows.com/B17Midland07.jpg)
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I don't disagree, she's gorgeous.
But saying that a Spit is not is quite obviously looking to elicit a response :old:
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(http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu108/metallldan/Spitfire-1.jpg) (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/metallldan/media/Spitfire-1.jpg.html)
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(http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu108/metallldan/Spitfire-1.jpg) (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/metallldan/media/Spitfire-1.jpg.html)
Oh god, my eyes, quick, kill it with fire before it's rather plain and unassuming looks destroy my retinas :cry!!!!!!
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The Spitfire is a work of art, not a fighter. :old:
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The Spitfire is a work of art, not a fighter. :old:
Sure as hell doesn't look like a fighter :ahand.
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Sure as hell doesn't look like a fighter :ahand.
There's a good chance you don't look like an eijit :)
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(http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu108/metallldan/Spitfire-1.jpg) (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/metallldan/media/Spitfire-1.jpg.html)
What's up with targets on the wings and belly? :)
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Oh god, my eyes, quick, kill it with fire before it's rather plain and unassuming looks destroy my retinas :cry!!!!!!
You must have some weird taste in women. :old:
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I'll show you guys a sexy looking aircraft.
Sleek, graceful, and yet you can still see it's power. It's... refined.
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131117215103/fhsw/images/e/e3/Me262real.jpg)
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I'll show you guys a sexy looking aircraft.
Sleek, graceful, and yet you can still see it's power. It's... refined.
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131117215103/fhsw/images/e/e3/Me262real.jpg)
That actually has more similarities with a Spitfire than other German aircraft, from an aesthetic perspective.
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I'll show you guys a sexy looking aircraft.
Sleek, graceful, and yet you can still see it's power. It's... refined.
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131117215103/fhsw/images/e/e3/Me262real.jpg)
Quality 'refined' finish on that too :old:
No doubt the 262 is a beautiful aircraft, I personally love the utilitarian look of the Hurricane, but no one who has functioning eyes can fail to see the traits you are describing, i.e grace and refinement, are defined by the Spitfire. :old:
Many countries have produced some stunning aircraft, perfect examples of form meeting function, the British have been responsible for a good number of these. In many cases they have been the benchmark designs which many successful aircraft of other countries have drawn on. :old:
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I'll show you guys a sexy looking aircraft.
Sleek, graceful, and yet you can still see it's power. It's... refined.
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131117215103/fhsw/images/e/e3/Me262real.jpg)
Crikey sir she does look sexy! Especially with a left wing burning and a right one gone! ;)
The B-17G has beauty that no other plane can match. It's like a really really fat ballerina. :) <----- That one's sig worthy!
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Fantasia anyone??