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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: olds442 on June 01, 2014, 10:13:59 AM
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Seems like ford is going to kill the mustang once in for all. Not only does it look like a aston martin now but you can get it with a 4 cylinder turbo charged engine as a option.
RIP in mustang, RIP.
Ill be sticking to
(http://cdn.2o4h.com/images/wallcapturehd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2014-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-New-Cars-Photo-Wallpapers-for-Samsung.jpg)
Discuss :P
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How can "it looks like an Aston Martin" be construed as a bad thing? :huh
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kind of finding the grill design to be close to the same of the Ford focus, as far as the 4 cylinder turbo being a joke dont count it out as a POS yet. my son has a Scion with a turbocharged four-cylinder that thing is scary fast all he did was just do a little programming change in the chip.
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That turbo'd 4 banger is producing more horsepower than the earlier V6 Camaros and Mustangs. 4 banger tech is getting better and better.
Not to mention Ford and Aston Martin teamed up for the design of some cars, and Aston Martin was also a subsidiary of Ford.. Do a bit of research and you wont look like a fool when you say "Mustang looks like a Aston Martin wannabe" because it really isn't.
If you want a real knock-off car look at the JDM cars and then look at European cars. Some of them are strangely familiar in appearances.
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One of the best looking mustangs, well, ever.
<--- not a Ford guy either.
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Don't get all upset about the motor option. Ford did this in '79 and '80 too. History repeating itself maybe.
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I'd have done a different headlight but otherwise a fine looking automobile.
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I'm not a particular fan of the look. For one the front end, particularly the lights, is starting to look like pretty much everything else on the road, with only the grill setting it apart. My biggest complaint with the current gen is that they tend to look bulkier than they really are, especially the back end. The low roof here seems to exacerbate it.
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Pedestrian protection... Expect all cars in the future to have tall fronts and lots of headroom under the hood (crumple zone for the pedestrian). Government regulation and guidelines are more and more determining how cars look.
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Blech. What's wrong with keeping the old (good) style and tweaking it from time to time? Seems to work just fine for the 911. Ford should try an updated 67 Mustang look, similar to the way the Challenger was done. Nothing wrong with 4 cylinder turbos (it will make almost double the HP that my 1983 Mustang GT 5.0 made from the factory) but they have no business in a Mustang. The V-8 is part of it's personality. If you want a fast turbo motor, buy an STI.
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It looks so bland. Chevrolet definitely wins in the looks department. Now if only they could lighten the Camaro up a bit.
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Lexus called, they want their headlights back! :D
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Nothing wrong with 4 cylinder turbos (it will make almost double the HP that my 1983 Mustang GT 5.0 made from the factory) but they have no business in a Mustang. The V-8 is part of it's personality. If you want a fast turbo motor, buy an STI.
If you ask me, doing the 4 banger with turbos was the right thing to do. You can fine tune it even further and squeeze more power out of it and do it for a cheaper price than just buying a V6 or a V8.
It looks so bland. Chevrolet definitely wins in the looks department. Now if only they could lighten the Camaro up a bit.
Chevrolet lightened up their 2014 Camaro Z/28 Nurburgring car in order to beat the 2014 Shelby GT500, but they took out stereos, A/C, power windows, ect... and still only beat the Mustang by 2 seconds. Its going to take a bit of craftiness to get the Camaro as light and as powerful as the Mustangs. Both have the potential to be stupidly fast cars but they'll need some work.
Koenigsegg also has that 5.0L V8 they use in their Agera that does 280 something on the runway, and its a production car. If only Ford could figure out how to do that with their 5.0's.
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Even if Ford were to push 960hp from their 5.0, it still wouldn't hit even 250. Just too heavy and dragy compared to the Agera-R.
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Even if Ford were to push 960hp from their 5.0, it still wouldn't hit even 250. Just too heavy and dragy compared to the Agera-R.
If it had even 800WHP i'm sure it'd break at least 220 considering the weight and size of the car.
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Blech. What's wrong with keeping the old (good) style and tweaking it from time to time? Seems to work just fine for the 911. Ford should try an updated 67 Mustang look, similar to the way the Challenger was done. Nothing wrong with 4 cylinder turbos (it will make almost double the HP that my 1983 Mustang GT 5.0 made from the factory) but they have no business in a Mustang. The V-8 is part of it's personality. If you want a fast turbo motor, buy an STI.
This, I have no problem with 4 bangers with turbos running around at 10k RPM. But mustang is a v8 car and should stay one.
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How can "it looks like an Aston Martin" be construed as a bad thing? :huh
+1
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its a fake.. that is no 15' that is an adobe job.. :D
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Are you kidding......
I am Ford man since birth and a fanatical Mustang fan.
AND I LOVE THIS THING. IT LOOKS SO COOL :rock
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+1
Seconded. Haters gonna hate.
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Bring back the 50's, 60's desgin
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ahh don't throw em money they're all crooks anyway :rofl
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I don't see the resemblance personally.
The Ford Fusion looked a lot more like an Aston then this Mustang, mostly because of the that "Aston" shaped grill on the Fusion.
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Seems like ford is going to kill the mustang once in for all. Not only does it look like a aston martin now but you can get it with a 4 cylinder turbo charged engine as a option.
RIP in mustang, RIP.
Discuss :P
Fear not,
The Mustang survived this:
(http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1980-1989/1983-Ford-Mustang-GT-Front-1024x768.jpg)
It can survive anything...
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Bring back the 50's desgin
:headscratch:
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This, I have no problem with 4 bangers with turbos running around at 10k RPM. But mustang is a v8 car and should stay one.
It still is! Don't you guys read? See the images below. See the 5.0 and GT badges?
"There’s a 3.7-liter V6. And the available 5.0-liter V8 will benefit from increased power this year."
The turbo four is an option, just like the 5.0 V8.
Ford isn't announcing power output of the engines yet, but the car mags are saying 420 to 450 hp for the 5.0, 300 for the V6 and well over 305 hp for the direct-injected, twin-scroll turbocharged, intercooled Eco-Boost 4-banger.
http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/2015/?searchid=79341629||9728619511&ef_id=U3FfwgAABUYDoYNO:20140602003442:s (http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/2015/?searchid=79341629||9728619511&ef_id=U3FfwgAABUYDoYNO:20140602003442:s)
(http://www.ford.com/global/2015mustang/img/revealer/s550_feature_1480x700_convertible-top-down.jpg)
(http://www.ford.com/global/2015mustang/img/plates/s550_feature_1480x700_talent_in_doorway.jpg)
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(http://pursuitist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/2015-mustang1.jpg)
Seems like ford is going to kill the mustang once in for all. Not only does it look like a aston martin now but you can get it with a 4 cylinder turbo charged engine as a option.
RIP in mustang, RIP.
Ill be sticking to
(http://cdn.2o4h.com/images/wallcapturehd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2014-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-New-Cars-Photo-Wallpapers-for-Samsung.jpg)
Discuss :P
it's based on a ford mondeo chassis.
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That turbo'd 4 banger is producing more horsepower than the earlier V6 Camaros and Mustangs. 4 banger tech is getting better and better.
Not to mention Ford and Aston Martin teamed up for the design of some cars, and Aston Martin was also a subsidiary of Ford.. Do a bit of research and you wont look like a fool when you say "Mustang looks like a Aston Martin wannabe" because it really isn't.
If you want a real knock-off car look at the JDM cars and then look at European cars. Some of them are strangely familiar in appearances.
i believe the turbo4 was rated at 305hp. the 5 liter is supposedly gonna be in the 440hp range i think. the car's also a couple hundred pounds lighter.
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i believe the turbo4 was rated at 305hp. the 5 liter is supposedly gonna be in the 440hp range i think. the car's also a couple hundred pounds lighter.
Iv'e heard so many figures from so many different people and sources, and none from Ford themselves so i'm just going with what I believe would be reasonable for a turbo 4 pot, which is about 315-330HP.
I don't suppose you'd know about the torque would you?
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I don't suppose you'd know about the torque would you?
OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!
Seriously though, I would guess in the 230-270 range.
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Iv'e heard so many figures from so many different people and sources, and none from Ford themselves so i'm just going with what I believe would be reasonable for a turbo 4 pot, which is about 315-330HP.
I don't suppose you'd know about the torque would you?
i don't think they gave a torque rating. more than likely, they'll get their performance on that one through gearing.
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:headscratch:
Ford design from the 50's for different vehicles
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Ford design from the 50's for different vehicles
Gotcha. :rock
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I think the 2015 is a brilliant design. Just wait a few more months and Ford will announce the GT350. All the rumors point to the car having a supercharged 5.0.
http://jalopnik.com/the-2015-ford-mustang-gt350-must-be-powered-by-a-nuclea-1534733250
Having said that, I just bought one of these (no stripes):
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/2013-Mustang-Shelby-GT5003.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/2013-Mustang-Shelby-GT5003.jpg.html)
Should be on a ship bound for Bremerhaven in a few days.
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I think the 2015 is a brilliant design. Just wait a few more months and Ford will announce the GT350. All the rumors point to the car having a supercharged 5.0.
http://jalopnik.com/the-2015-ford-mustang-gt350-must-be-powered-by-a-nuclea-1534733250
Having said that, I just bought one of these (no stripes):
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/2013-Mustang-Shelby-GT5003.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/2013-Mustang-Shelby-GT5003.jpg.html)
Should be on a ship bound for Bremerhaven in a few days.
I'd get a Porsche if I were you. Better performance, better looks, no shipping delay.
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Well that's the gig isn't it? You aint me :lol
I would love to have a 911 but it is hard to justify that kind of money for a car that does not perform as well. It would have to be a 911 Turbo S, GT2 or GT3 to even get close. Go look up what those cost.
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130k stateside looks like. And for what looks like 5mph top speed difference I say hell yeah. I suspect the GT 500 won't deliver it's 200mph alleged track speed either, or beat the GT3's 3.3 0-60 speed.
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IMO this new Mustang will blow previous sales out of the water.
The base model ecoboost 305+ hp turbo 4 will be what the Honda Civic and Acura Integras were years ago so far as the "go to" car for tuning and customizing for cheap $. Some of the tuner mags are already saying that for only a few thousand in upgrades and mods, this car will be in the 400+ hp range from what they've found out. I remember the old turbo SVT Mustang was quite a car in its day with a turbo 4 as well, and it had around 1/2 the hp and torque this new one does.
I don't think Ford will abandon the crazy HP models like the Shelby line either, they just haven't released info yet. The 5.0 stats for the new one are still pretty impressive.
Again, I would bet that this new model will be a big seller, not just in Europe and overseas, but in the USA as well.
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130k stateside looks like. And for what looks like 5mph top speed difference I say hell yeah. I suspect the GT 500 won't deliver it's 200mph alleged track speed either, or beat the GT3's 3.3 0-60 speed.
it delivered 196mph on a 100f degree daywith a 5k da,so yea/.....i think it WILL deliver the advertised top speed. it beat the zl1 at nurburg too fyi.
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Fear not,
The Mustang survived this:
(http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1980-1989/1983-Ford-Mustang-GT-Front-1024x768.jpg)
It can survive anything...
Yeah, that was scarey. What year was that again? I forget, like '74 or something. Gawd that was awful. Then they had the stretched out front end years for the big block in the early '70s. Another awful design. 2014 was one of the better years. I dont know why they have to continue to mess with it.
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it's based on a ford mondeo chassis.
So is my Jaguar and many other cars. Obviously if they are still using the Mondeo chassis (or variant of) after 15 years, then it must be a solid design.
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Yeah, that was scarey. What year was that again? I forget, like '74 or something. Gawd that was awful. Then they had the stretched out front end years for the big block in the early '70s. Another awful design. 2014 was one of the better years. I dont know why they have to continue to mess with it.
that was between 79 and 84 judging by the grille. it's a foxbody. that one survived from 79till 93(or 94).
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So is my Jaguar and many other cars. Obviously if they are still using the Mondeo chassis (or variant of) after 15 years, then it must be a solid design.
regardless of what people want to think, ford has had many excellent platforms. the fox was one of the longest lived, and one of the best they'd had.
we'll see how this one handles massive power......if ford still offers a 662hp engine in this chassis.
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(http://pursuitist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/2015-mustang1.jpg)
Seems like ford is going to kill the mustang once in for all. Not only does it look like a aston martin now but you can get it with a 4 cylinder turbo charged engine as a option.
RIP in mustang, RIP.
Ill be sticking to
(http://cdn.2o4h.com/images/wallcapturehd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2014-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-New-Cars-Photo-Wallpapers-for-Samsung.jpg)
Discuss :P
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regardless of what people want to think, ford has had many excellent platforms. the fox was one of the longest lived, and one of the best they'd had.
we'll see how this one handles massive power......if ford still offers a 662hp engine in this chassis.
We talked about this in another thread. Matter of fact I am giving you the credit, I didn't think about the issue of the IRS axles and that kind of HP/TQ until you mentioned it :aok My guess is the 2015 GT350 or whatever they will call it will have a sub 600 HP plant and hopefully much lighter than a base GT. Have you seen the two spy videos of it running around Detroit yet? Damn thing has 295's all the way around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktIM-dlSTpU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktIM-dlSTpU) If I had the patience to wait till for a 2016 GT(whatever it's gonna be called), I would! That looks sweet
Here is a teaser pic Ford released of a SC 5.0; presumably the powerplant for the GT(whatever they are gonna call it):
http://www.stangtv.com/news/ford-releases-teaser-photo-of-supercharged-2015-gt350-engine/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ford-releases-teaser-photo-of-supercharged-2015-gt350-engine
Spy shots of the car:
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/03/ford-mustang-gt350-spy-shots/
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it delivered 196mph on a 100f degree daywith a 5k da,so yea/.....i think it WILL deliver the advertised top speed. it beat the zl1 at nurburg too fyi.
Maybe on a track, almost certainly not on the streets.
And Camaro or Corvette ZL1? Big difference.
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Maybe on a track, almost certainly not on the streets.
And Camaro or Corvette ZL1? Big difference.
You mean ZR1. And who does 200 MPH on the streets...? :bhead
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130k stateside looks like. And for what looks like 5mph top speed difference I say hell yeah. I suspect the GT 500 won't deliver it's 200mph alleged track speed either, or beat the GT3's 3.3 0-60 speed.
Well I hope not. The Shelby is half the price of that car. BTW, I am putting about $4000 in mods on my car which will yield great traction and about 150 wheel HP. I don't think anyone can do that in that already maxed out Porsche.
FTR, By no means am I knocking the Porsche(s) - great cars. I am just saying I get a hell of lot more performance for my money in a Shelby GT500. And oh BTW, I like Mustangs ;)
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You mean ZR1. And who does 200 MPH on the streets...? :bhead
Autobahn.
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Autobahn.
Oh, that's ME! :aok
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When "ugly" mates with "fat"..........this is what you end up with.
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So is my Jaguar and many other cars. Obviously if they are still using the Mondeo chassis (or variant of) after 15 years, then it must be a solid design.
I agree :rock
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You mean ZR1. And who does 200 MPH on the streets...? :bhead
also note that he ramped it up to a car that's not even in the same class. i get a kick out of that kinda stuff......when they can;t beat it with its direct competition...the camaro, they pull out the vette.
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Maybe on a track, almost certainly not on the streets.
And Camaro or Corvette ZL1? Big difference.
none of them will do it on the street. at least not here in the us without serious consequences. that said......wrong vette, and also different class car. try again.
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Oh, that's ME! :aok
ya know now you gotta post the video of you topping 200 before mods. :devil
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ya know now you gotta post the video of you topping 200 before mods. :devil
Will do! Early Sat/Sun morning run on A8 coming soon; brought to you by ammo and his GoPro
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What will you do when you go back to the states?
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What will you do when you go back to the states?
Drive the car within the speed limit (intuitive)
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Will do! Early Sat/Sun morning run on A8 coming soon; brought to you by ammo and his GoPro
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i was half joking. be FRIGGING CAREFUL dude. don't wanna read about you in the news.
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:aok
i was half joking. be FRIGGING CAREFUL dude. don't wanna read about you in the news.
Not to wanting to coin an infamous phrase - but I got this ;)
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130k stateside looks like. And for what looks like 5mph top speed difference I say hell yeah. I suspect the GT 500 won't deliver it's 200mph alleged track speed either, or beat the GT3's 3.3 0-60 speed.
i almost missed this. ask and ye shall receive.
cobrajet. 0-60 in 1.1 seconds.
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Yeah, that was scarey. What year was that again? I forget, like '74 or something. Gawd that was awful. Then they had the stretched out front end years for the big block in the early '70s. Another awful design. 2014 was one of the better years. I dont know why they have to continue to mess with it.
1983.. I think it was the year before they hyped about 49% improvement in quality..
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1983.. I think it was the year before they hyped about 49% improvement in quality..
79 to 85 were nearly identical under the skin, 'cept for some extra power. mid 85, ford used a throttle body setup on the gt350 if i recall, then went to a SEFI setup in 86. also in 86, they changed the mounting of the front lower control arms. they widened them about 2 inches, giving the car a much improved handling. the sefi 5 liters topped at 225hp i believe. they also moved to a better quality 5 speed in 86. before that the t5's tended to break rather easily. if they didn't, then the 7.5 rear diff did. they were pretty badass till about 92 or 93, when ford made them less powerful, and heavier.
if you manage to find a fox body mustang, or even an sn95(which isn't much more than a modified fox) that hasn't been beaten on, then you've got a "new" classic, or an excellent platform for hotrodding.
i should also add.....when i first saw the pics of the 015, i thought.....blech. it's been growing on me, and i owe much less on my black beauty than i could sell or trade her for........and there will be a test of an 015 in my future.
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i almost missed this. ask and ye shall receive.
cobrajet. 0-60 in 1.1 seconds.
The factory Cobra Jet was running low 9's at about 150-155 on the drag strip as well.
Not a single GM or Chrysler car could ever compete with that, at least not right now.
Not to bring it off topic by too much, but Ken Block's rally Ford Focus RS does 0-60 in 1.9 seconds with a twin turbo'd 4 banger running on 100 octane fuel.
i should also add.....when i first saw the pics of the 015, i thought.....blech. it's been growing on me, and i owe much less on my black beauty than i could sell or trade her for........and there will be a test of an 015 in my future.
I felt the same about the headlights, but now the more I see it the more I wish I want one.
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Don't get all upset about the motor option. Ford did this in '79 and '80 too. History repeating itself maybe.
Speaking from experience that worked on the 80's Ford crap, I have see a ton of the same design flaws and poor product planing in the 2011 model year and up. With Ford history does repeat itself :bolt:
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Fear not,
The Mustang survived this:
(http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1980-1989/1983-Ford-Mustang-GT-Front-1024x768.jpg)
It can survive anything...
I had a 85 T-top pony, dumped all 1993 drive train and interior into it FOC you could work wonders with the warranty system back in the day :devil and drove that beats for 500k miles and more, had a nice cam, head work and a tremec trans, that puppy would cruise 130 all day long :airplane:
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The factory Cobra Jet was running low 9's at about 150-155 on the drag strip as well.
Not a single GM or Chrysler car could ever compete with that, at least not right now.
Not to bring it off topic by too much, but Ken Block's rally Ford Focus RS does 0-60 in 1.9 seconds with a twin turbo'd 4 banger running on 100 octane fuel.
I felt the same about the headlights, but now the more I see it the more I wish I want one.
they've been reported in the 8.90's as delivered. tasca has one in the 7.90's, but they've done a lot of work to theirs. also, he was talking stock i think so i used a stock car. :devil
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Fear not,
The Mustang survived this:
(http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1980-1989/1983-Ford-Mustang-GT-Front-1024x768.jpg)
It can survive anything...
This is a very good point.
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it's a little off, but here's a split screen zl1 losing to the shelby at nurburg.
people thought i was nuts when i said the shelby could/would run there faster. they all thought that the irs in the zl would give it hands down advantage. and they'd have been right if there were no long straights. give that shelby a chance to stretch her legs, and she's gonna eat nearly anything in her class for lunch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYWCnRWiqt8
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I'm a little surprised by the vocal complaints about the return of the turbo 4 option. The old fox body turbo 4 was either loved or despised depending on who you asked, but the fact is that the motor was fun to wind up and the reduced weight up front made it a nicer driving car in many ways. I can't see a modern incarnation of that concept being so terrible to deserve the venom being aimed in its direction. Certainly a peppy and responsive turbo would give a stripped down mustang a LOT more character than almost any warmed-over V6 base model. Something to generate some buzz for sure, and as long as it isn't a mechanical disaster it ought to help sales.
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I had a 85 T-top pony, dumped all 1993 drive train and interior into it FOC you could work wonders with the warranty system back in the day :devil and drove that beats for 500k miles and more, had a nice cam, head work and a tremec trans, that puppy would cruise 130 all day long :airplane:
'85 was the last year of the Holley 4 barrel. I had a brand new GT in '85. It would run like hell tho nothing like todays modern engines.
I cant go into Ford dealerships. Im afraid I'll see a Pony car and do something stupid. My '66 was my favorite, my High School car. Gawd the girls loved it and I learned back seat Yoga in it. :devil
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it's a little off, but here's a split screen zl1 losing to the shelby at nurburg.
people thought i was nuts when i said the shelby could/would run there faster. they all thought that the irs in the zl would give it hands down advantage. and they'd have been right if there were no long straights. give that shelby a chance to stretch her legs, and she's gonna eat nearly anything in her class for lunch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYWCnRWiqt8
lets talk about the z28 instead instead of the much slower zl1.
I wish chevy would bring back the chevelle back. The camaro was never meant to be a drag car, it was made for corners aswell. If you want a live rear axle drag monster, you got a 442 or chevelle.
Way I see it:
Corvette: 2 seat sports car/every day driver, fast in straight line and in corners.
Camaro: 4 seat track car, good handling in corners and still fast in straight line (Not so as much as a vett)
Chevelle: 4 seat drag car, GT500 muncher. Live rear axle.
If chevy did this they would get some sails.
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lets talk about the z28 instead instead of the much slower zl1.
I wish chevy would bring back the chevelle back. The camaro was never meant to be a drag car, it was made for corners aswell. If you want a live rear axle drag monster, you got a 442 or chevelle.
Way I see it:
Corvette: 2 seat sports car/every day driver, fast in straight line and in corners.
Camaro: 4 seat track car, good handling in corners and still fast in straight line (Not so as much as a vett)
Chevelle: 4 seat drag car, GT500 muncher. Live rear axle.
If chevy did this they would get some sails.
I wonder what the percentage is of car "sales" are? I would bet the "hotrod" market would be less than 1% of car sales and likely less than 20% of the model sales.
I know when I built cars the hopped up V8's were 1 out of every 8 engines on a heavy day and usually closer to 1 in 12 on most days. Of course this was some time ago but I cant imagine the market has changed all that much.
Add in the price of fuel and the vast majority of cars built are the smaller gas sippers!
So to say GM would get some "sails" from changing their model lineup is quite rediculous. There was a reason why GM dropped a couple of their long standing marques......... Sales.....
:salute
PS: Looking forward to the new stang with the turbo 4,I might have to venture into my nearest ford dealer for a "test" drive..... :D I drove many SVO stangs and turbo coupe Tbirds,they were fun rides back then! I imagine with the tuners market the little 4 pot will be making some big numbers!
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Sorry its hard to spell sales when its you just woke up. Forgive me great father for I have sinned.
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lets talk about the z28 instead instead of the much slower zl1.
I wish chevy would bring back the chevelle back. The camaro was never meant to be a drag car, it was made for corners aswell. If you want a live rear axle drag monster, you got a 442 or chevelle.
Way I see it:
Corvette: 2 seat sports car/every day driver, fast in straight line and in corners.
Camaro: 4 seat track car, good handling in corners and still fast in straight line (Not so as much as a vett)
Chevelle: 4 seat drag car, GT500 muncher. Live rear axle.
If chevy did this they would get some sails.
tyhe z28 isn'tr in the picture. the shelby is direct competition the zl1. both of these cars can be had for less than $70k. the z28 is limited production. it's got NUTHIN. a/c is a $1100 option. single speaker radio. no power anything. carbon brakes(which i believe remove it from most street car classes). i think(i could be wrong)costs well over $70k. add to that that due to the limited production, they'll probably be fetching over $90k.
that all said.....it is an AWESOME car. maybe we'll get lucky, and ford'll put something out there to beat that one too. :) actually......wonder how the fr500 compares to it. :)
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'85 was the last year of the Holley 4 barrel. I had a brand new GT in '85. It would run like hell tho nothing like todays modern engines.
I cant go into Ford dealerships. Im afraid I'll see a Pony car and do something stupid. My '66 was my favorite, my High School car. Gawd the girls loved it and I learned back seat Yoga in it. :devil
that motorcraft holly sucked hairy mooseballs. i got almost a full second in the 1/4 by doing nothing other than swapping a real holley in place of the one on my 83.
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tyhe z28 isn'tr in the picture. the shelby is direct competition the zl1. both of these cars can be had for less than $70k. the z28 is limited production. it's got NUTHIN. a/c is a $1100 option. single speaker radio. no power anything. carbon brakes(which i believe remove it from most street car classes). i think(i could be wrong)costs well over $70k. add to that that due to the limited production, they'll probably be fetching over $90k.
that all said.....it is an AWESOME car. maybe we'll get lucky, and ford'll put something out there to beat that one too. :) actually......wonder how the fr500 compares to it. :)
One word - Cobrajet! There is one at the dealer I bought my Shelby... and they are only askign $112K :O
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tyhe z28 isn'tr in the picture. the shelby is direct competition the zl1. both of these cars can be had for less than $70k. the z28 is limited production. it's got NUTHIN. a/c is a $1100 option. single speaker radio. no power anything. carbon brakes(which i believe remove it from most street car classes). i think(i could be wrong)costs well over $70k. add to that that due to the limited production, they'll probably be fetching over $90k.
that all said.....it is an AWESOME car. maybe we'll get lucky, and ford'll put something out there to beat that one too. :) actually......wonder how the fr500 compares to it. :)
Actually
75k is "well over" 70k?
And im sure cobra jets have A/C, radio and etc (Not even street legal). So saying GM has nothing to touch it, sure that's true. But ford has nothing that can touch the z/28 on a track, aka not a straight line. (Maybe a GT40 will keep up but thats a big chance too given a GTR and a 911 can't)
Facts are the z/28 went around the ring in 7:37 and that's with no supercharger, rainy conditions, and a 505 hp engine. Mod that thing and see how it screams.
Mater of fact this website here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will. Also note, that model they where driving had A/C and a radio, and still won.
In short, you can not say that GM has nothing to touch the non street legal drag slick cobra jet and then rule the z/28 out because of the radio and A/C.
And ammo, you're out of your mind if you think a cobra jet will be faster than the z/28 in the corners.
The cobra jet is a drag car, the z/28 is a corner car.
Also the gt500 is starting at 55k, and thats well with in corvette range. Corvette will eat the gt500 for break feast before going to work against real cars :P
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-stingray.html\
and the vett is 2k cheaper ;)
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Actually
75k is "well over" 70k?
And im sure cobra jets have A/C, radio and etc (Not even street legal). So saying GM has nothing to touch it, sure that's true. But ford has nothing that can touch the z/28 on a track, aka not a straight line. (Maybe a GT40 will keep up but thats a big chance too given a GTR and a 911 can't)
Facts are the z/28 went around the ring in 7:37 and that's with no supercharger, rainy conditions, and a 505 hp engine. Mod that thing and see how it screams.
Mater of fact this website here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will. Also note, that model they where driving had A/C and a radio, and still won.
In short, you can not say that GM has nothing to touch the non street legal drag slick cobra jet and then rule the z/28 out because of the radio and A/C.
And ammo, you're out of your mind if you think a cobra jet will be faster than the z/28 in the corners.
The cobra jet is a drag car, the z/28 is a corner car.
Also the gt500 is starting at 55k, and thats well with in corvette range. Corvette will eat the gt500 for break feast before going to work against real cars :P
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-stingray.html\
and the vett is 2k cheaper ;)
Lets just focus on the GT500 and the C7 Stingray.
2014 C7 Stingray has 460HP at the crank and 455 ft/lb of torque.
2014 GT500 has 662HP at the crank and 631 ft/lb of torque.
Tell me, which one is more powerful? For the price, the GT500 has more HP and torque and is only 2,000 more expensive. Not too bad if you've got the money for it.
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Actually
75k is "well over" 70k?
And im sure cobra jets have A/C, radio and etc (Not even street legal). So saying GM has nothing to touch it, sure that's true. But ford has nothing that can touch the z/28 on a track, aka not a straight line. (Maybe a GT40 will keep up but thats a big chance too given a GTR and a 911 can't)
Facts are the z/28 went around the ring in 7:37 and that's with no supercharger, rainy conditions, and a 505 hp engine. Mod that thing and see how it screams.
Mater of fact this website here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will. Also note, that model they where driving had A/C and a radio, and still won.
In short, you can not say that GM has nothing to touch the non street legal drag slick cobra jet and then rule the z/28 out because of the radio and A/C.
And ammo, you're out of your mind if you think a cobra jet will be faster than the z/28 in the corners.
The cobra jet is a drag car, the z/28 is a corner car.
Also the gt500 is starting at 55k, and thats well with in corvette range. Corvette will eat the gt500 for break feast before going to work against real cars :P
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-stingray.html\
and the vett is 2k cheaper ;)
Maybe a better comparison would a Mustang Boss 302 or the new GT350 against the Z28?
The Cobrajet is a factory built dragstrip ready car. 9 second car for that matter. What other manufacturer is doing that?
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Actually
75k is "well over" 70k?
And im sure cobra jets have A/C, radio and etc (Not even street legal). So saying GM has nothing to touch it, sure that's true. But ford has nothing that can touch the z/28 on a track, aka not a straight line. (Maybe a GT40 will keep up but thats a big chance too given a GTR and a 911 can't)
Facts are the z/28 went around the ring in 7:37 and that's with no supercharger, rainy conditions, and a 505 hp engine. Mod that thing and see how it screams.
Mater of fact this website here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will. Also note, that model they where driving had A/C and a radio, and still won.
In short, you can not say that GM has nothing to touch the non street legal drag slick cobra jet and then rule the z/28 out because of the radio and A/C.
And ammo, you're out of your mind if you think a cobra jet will be faster than the z/28 in the corners.
The cobra jet is a drag car, the z/28 is a corner car.
Also the gt500 is starting at 55k, and thats well with in corvette range. Corvette will eat the gt500 for break feast before going to work against real cars :P
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-stingray.html\
and the vett is 2k cheaper ;)
can't compare the gt40 to the camaro....that's like comparing the vette to the shelby. the z28 will NOT touch the cobrajet. the only thing close is the copo, but they're a couple tenths off the mark.
chevy built the 28 for the sole purpose of beating the shelby. ford's got nuthin for it. yet. we'll see if they wanna try.
a 55k vette isn't one of the really good ones. unless ya buy used. still a different car. i love vettes.....but i won't buy one ever, for the sole reason that they're a pain in the bellybutton to get in/out of. plus if i bought a vette, i'd want the hot one, which would be the zr1.....and how much are they new again?
i know what the shelbys start at. for that money, you get a car that will not be touched by anything in its class/price range, and it's gorgeous. but then, just as i mentioned that the 28's will probably fetch nearly 100k due to them being limited production.....shelbys seem to fetch about 10-15k over their list. there's a guy i deal with around here has one. he paid 73k for his. and he loves it.
so......if you wanna do apple to apple, then gt vs lt(or is it ls?) camaro. boss302 vs one of them(i dunno which one they'd compare the boss to), and shelby to zl1. the z28 can't be compared to any of these, either ford or chevy, due to the fact it's stripped down, and limited. if ya wanna do apple to orange, then we'll start lookin' at the 7 second street shelbys, or the 8.9 second gt that trailered a purpose built camaro last year in atcos mustang vs camaro weekend. :devil
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Lets just focus on the GT500 and the C7 Stingray.
2014 C7 Stingray has 460HP at the crank and 455 ft/lb of torque.
2014 GT500 has 662HP at the crank and 631 ft/lb of torque.
Tell me, which one is more powerful? For the price, the GT500 has more HP and torque and is only 2,000 more expensive. Not too bad if you've got the money for it.
the c7 will eat the shelby for lunch.
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Maybe a better comparison would a Mustang Boss 302 or the new GT350 against the Z28?
The Cobrajet is a factory built dragstrip ready car. 9 second car for that matter. What other manufacturer is doing that?
chevy's building a copo camaro.
i havent found anything juicy on the new gt350 yet.
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Chevy needs to get their toejam together, reduce the smug from all the fords.
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can't compare the gt40 to the camaro....that's like comparing the vette to the shelby. the z28 will NOT touch the cobrajet. the only thing close is the copo, but they're a couple tenths off the mark.
chevy built the 28 for the sole purpose of beating the shelby. ford's got nuthin for it. yet. we'll see if they wanna try.
a 55k vette isn't one of the really good ones. unless ya buy used. still a different car. i love vettes.....but i won't buy one ever, for the sole reason that they're a pain in the bellybutton to get in/out of. plus if i bought a vette, i'd want the hot one, which would be the zr1.....and how much are they new again?
i know what the shelbys start at. for that money, you get a car that will not be touched by anything in its class/price range, and it's gorgeous. but then, just as i mentioned that the 28's will probably fetch nearly 100k due to them being limited production.....shelbys seem to fetch about 10-15k over their list. there's a guy i deal with around here has one. he paid 73k for his. and he loves it.
so......if you wanna do apple to apple, then gt vs lt(or is it ls?) camaro. boss302 vs one of them(i dunno which one they'd compare the boss to), and shelby to zl1. the z28 can't be compared to any of these, either ford or chevy, due to the fact it's stripped down, and limited. if ya wanna do apple to orange, then we'll start lookin' at the 7 second street shelbys, or the 8.9 second gt that trailered a purpose built camaro last year in atcos mustang vs camaro weekend. :devil
I sense straight line syndrome.
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I sense straight line syndrome.
welll....with the shelby and gt i mentioned at the end there,,,,,,yea, 'cause a street car that still has all the goodies, that you really can drive every day any weather is something special. that said...........shelby vs its direct rival..........depends on the track. track with some straights, shelby. track with no real straights......zl. that's why the shelby was nearly 3 seconds faster than the zl on nurburg. it had plenty of time to stretch those long legs, and was able to do "good enough" in the corners to basically hold that lead.
me? i will never own either of em. i'm a broke bellybutton bastage. i'm perfectly happy with my gt, and happy with the knowledge that nothing in its price range will touch it.
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me? i will never own either of em. i'm a broke bellybutton bastage. i'm perfectly happy with my gt, and happy with the knowledge that nothing in its price range will touch it.
Price... Heh. I'm still tickled that my G8 (4-door Camaro aka holden commodore) left the lot for under $30k brand new. I could literally throw away the 361hp L76 and drop just about any crate motor in there for less overall than it would cost to buy anything comparable new. It's actually a small trend for the G8 GT owners if they lose their motor out of powertrain warranty, they just drop a crate performance LS3 in there for $10k or less, which resets the GM powerplant warranty on an easily modded motor putting out well over 400hp straight from the crate.
One guy even had the dealer do it... He had his lifters fail badly, causing somewhere in the vicinity of $4k damage to the motor. He cut a deal with the dealer and for a flat $10k the dealer procured and installed a GM performance LS3 and warranteed both the motor and the installation as if it was a stock replacement. The only difference was that he got a 3 year powerplant warranty instead of 5 because it was a performance version of the LS3, not the basic LS3. A waste of money? This guy is pushing 500hp in a comfy 4-door Camaro for under $45k.
Aaaannnnnd getting to the point... the discussion so far has not touched on the fact that some models are far easier than others to bump up in performance at minimal cost. For example, you can take almost any of the Camaros and drastically improve dragstrip performance with a few grand worth of bolt-ons, suddenly challenging mustangs that originally cost far more. The only thing, I have never heard any reports that there is any amount of aftermarket cash you can throw at a mustang that will make it turn worth a darn :lol If you want a mustang to turn, you gotta buy a very specific and expensive track version. So... buy a car that turns and can go straight with a few mods, or buy a car that goes straight really well but won't turn no matter what you do to it... At that point it comes down to styling I guess.
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Price... Heh. I'm still tickled that my G8 (4-door Camaro aka holden commodore) left the lot for under $30k brand new. I could literally throw away the 361hp L76 and drop just about any crate motor in there for less overall than it would cost to buy anything comparable new. It's actually a small trend for the G8 GT owners if they lose their motor out of powertrain warranty, they just drop a crate performance LS3 in there for $10k or less, which resets the GM powerplant warranty on an easily modded motor putting out well over 400hp straight from the crate.
One guy even had the dealer do it... He had his lifters fail badly, causing somewhere in the vicinity of $4k damage to the motor. He cut a deal with the dealer and for a flat $10k the dealer procured and installed a GM performance LS3 and warranteed both the motor and the installation as if it was a stock replacement. The only difference was that he got a 3 year powerplant warranty instead of 5 because it was a performance version of the LS3, not the basic LS3. A waste of money? This guy is pushing 500hp in a comfy 4-door Camaro for under $45k.
Aaaannnnnd getting to the point... the discussion so far has not touched on the fact that some models are far easier than others to bump up in performance at minimal cost. For example, you can take almost any of the Camaros and drastically improve dragstrip performance with a few grand worth of bolt-ons, suddenly challenging mustangs that originally cost far more. The only thing, I have never heard any reports that there is any amount of aftermarket cash you can throw at a mustang that will make it turn worth a darn :lol If you want a mustang to turn, you gotta buy a very specific and expensive track version. So... buy a car that turns and can go straight with a few mods, or buy a car that goes straight really well but won't turn no matter what you do to it... At that point it comes down to styling I guess.
if you haven't driven one of the new mustangs, you should. they turn. very nicely. like they're on rails. shocked the $#%$ outta me too.
as for modifying a camaro for a few grand to chase a shelby? you can modify a gt for a few grand, and hammer a zl. :devil remember....stock gt's run anywhere from 12.5's to 12.9's. with the simple addition of a blower on that coyote, you're in the 11's.
the guys dropping crate motors? that's eXACTLY what i'd do too. for the cost of a crate motor, it just isn't worth it to put a stock replacement into a performance car. hell....i dunno the cost of gm's crate motors, but you can get a roadrunner 5 liter for less than $10k.
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I'm a little surprised by the vocal complaints about the return of the turbo 4 option. The old fox body turbo 4 was either loved or despised depending on who you asked, but the fact is that the motor was fun to wind up and the reduced weight up front made it a nicer driving car in many ways. I can't see a modern incarnation of that concept being so terrible to deserve the venom being aimed in its direction. Certainly a peppy and responsive turbo would give a stripped down mustang a LOT more character than almost any warmed-over V6 base model. Something to generate some buzz for sure, and as long as it isn't a mechanical disaster it ought to help sales.
Didn't see any venom, just opinions that 4 cylinders don't mesh with the Mustang's persona. The V-8 is part of the visceral appeal. You can get some decent low end torque out of some of the small turbo motors but which one sounds or feels like a V-8? Given equal power outputs, would you prefer a turbo 4 or a V-12 in your Ferrari? It's not just about the HP.
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Fear not,
The Mustang survived this:
(http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1980-1989/1983-Ford-Mustang-GT-Front-1024x768.jpg)
It can survive anything...
Blasphemy! The four eyed notches were/are sex on wheels :rock
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.racingjunk.com/ui/2/53/33845532-926-1986-Mustang-Notchback.jpg)
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[quote author=olds442 link=topic=363009.msg4828860#msg4828860
Mater of fact this website here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will.
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News flash: this thing now has an IRS... I'll wait to see the reviews
Full disclosure: yes, I'm with the company but not speaking for it. My summer toy is an LPE modified lt4 vette, but, at some point over the next year or so, I will probably test drive the new mustang. I wasn't a fan of the live axle's handling, especially over bumpy roads, (too many scary incidents in some of the mustangs I've had) hence the GM garage queen. However, the new Mustang, from what I'm hearing, is formidable. Combine the Shelby's power with a decent chassis and it's a new ball game at the halo. As was, at base v6 and GT levels we were beating Camaro anyway -and how's that guidomobile selling, anyway?
Bottom line: it's frustrating to me that we let GM beat us at the top end. Those guys can't find their butts with both hands and a flashlight and we have to be content, internally, in beating them in the market. I want more.
Addition: the 2.3 l economist is good for 305 hp. I guess GM is getting as much out of their GTDI tech too, though...NOT. The 3.5 ecoboost in my corporate vehicle is 2014 production, thus developed in probably '08 or '09 and is still worth 365hp. GM is facing a steamroller because we now have best in class fuel specific output. Combine that with the fact that we're going to blow away their new pickup and expect GM to continue to be the weak sister. 5.0l out
It will remain at 420hp and about 400 lb-ft of torque down low. Expect this to perform at M3levels on the track, since the old Boss was neck and neck with same ... http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustang_gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustang_gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html)
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if you haven't driven one of the new mustangs, you should. they turn. very nicely. like they're on rails. shocked the $#%$ outta me too.
By "turn worth a darn" I really mean remain competitive in stock trim in various SCCA and road racing venues. Year after year the top stang driver just can't touch the top chebby driver either stock or modified. In many cases you go down 10 spots to find the first stang. And since in the various mod classes each car is only allowed the exact same TYPE of mods, easy mods that make huge performance differences are either not available or they are just as effective for the other brand.
Whenever I look at the autox regional and national results, I just can't remember seeing mustangs dominating either stock or modified classes.
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By "turn worth a darn" I really mean remain competitive in stock trim in various SCCA and road racing venues. Year after year the top stang driver just can't touch the top chebby driver either stock or modified. In many cases you go down 10 spots to find the first stang. And since in the various mod classes each car is only allowed the exact same TYPE of mods, easy mods that make huge performance differences are either not available or they are just as effective for the other brand.
Whenever I look at the autox regional and national results, I just can't remember seeing mustangs dominating either stock or modified classes.
well it does turn well enough to run right with the beemers.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4
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See Rules #4, #6
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well it does turn well enough to run right with the beemers.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4
Well, I just checked the 2013 solo2 results and I guess a mustang GT did win the F Stock class, so they can't suck all that bad anymore :)
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[quote author=olds442 link=topic=363009.msg4828860#msg4828860
Mater of fact this website here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will.
News flash: this thing now has an IRS... I'll wait to see the reviews
Full disclosure: yes, I'm with the company but not speaking for it. My summer toy is an LPE modified lt4 vette, but, at some point over the next year or so, I will probably test drive the new mustang. I wasn't a fan of the live axle's handling, especially over bumpy roads, (too many scary incidents in some of the mustangs I've had) hence the GM garage queen. However, the new Mustang, from what I'm hearing, is formidable. Combine the Shelby's power with a decent chassis and it's a new ball game at the halo. As was, at base v6 and GT levels we were beating Camaro anyway -and how's that guidomobile selling, anyway?
Bottom line: it's frustrating to me that we let GM beat us at the top end. Those guys can't find their butts with both hands and a flashlight and we have to be content, internally, in beating them in the market. I want more.
Addition: the 2.3 l economist is good for 305 hp. I guess GM is getting as much out of their GTDI tech too, though...NOT. The 3.5 ecoboost in my corporate vehicle is 2014 production, thus developed in probably '08 or '09 and is still worth 365hp. GM is facing a steamroller because we now have best in class fuel specific output. Combine that with the fact that we're going to blow away their new pickup and expect GM to continue to be the weak sister. 5.0l out
It will remain at 420hp and about 400 lb-ft of torque down low. Expect this to perform at M3levels on the track, since the old Boss was neck and neck with same ... http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustang_gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustang_gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html)
actually the GT was within .1 of a second lapping streets of willow. basically, they could be re-run, and the times would be different. people that say that solid axles don't do this, can't do that, within the realms of street driving just don't know how to drive them.
that all said.....i WILL be testing an 015, as i can sell my beauty for well over 10k more than i owe on her. :devil
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See Rules #4, #6
well go look for golfer, and run him. after ya lose to him at the drag strip, i'll run ya down at milleville. it's not inflated ego. it's pure fact. when you never see the back end of the competition.........well..... you must be out front. :devil
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Well, I just checked the 2013 solo2 results and I guess a mustang GT did win the F Stock class, so they can't suck all that bad anymore :)
:devil
this one's kinda devolving, eh?
BTW, there's 2 gto's running around my area that i haven't seen till recently. they sound dam good.
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:devil
this one's kinda devolving, eh?
BTW, there's 2 gto's running around my area that i haven't seen till recently. they sound dam good.
Busted, fo sho
I've been contemplating headers and x-pipe with stock mufflers on my G8, and there's a lot of background research for that shared with the GTOs. Some of them sound awesome. Too awesome for me, which is why I'll stick with the quiet solution, just headers, catted xpipe, and stock mufflers. That's good for about 20-30hp depending on the tune and any other mods but it doesn't drone and is still pretty quiet until you get on the gas. I figure that ought to go great with my CAI, probably pick up close to 30-40 rwhp from the CAI exhaust and tune without changing drivability or losing mpg.
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well go look for golfer, and run him. after ya lose to him at the drag strip, i'll run ya down at milleville. it's not inflated ego. it's pure fact. when you never see the back end of the competition.........well..... you must be out front. :devil
Hmmm.... I never knew that material possession justified acting like a gianormous sweetheart, or that it reflected on the quality of the individual.
Of courses, that also means you're just at the top of the bottom in the big picture, and that no matter how big you act, you're still just a bug next to Lamborghini owners.
Or you could recognize that you simply own a very nice car that is only slightly faster than some very nice cars, and slower than some other very nice cars.
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well it does turn well enough to run right with the beemers.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4
I think the new ECOboost engine might just turn the stang into a sports car,almost... Reports say 305 hp and 300LBs of torque,thats better than the V6 and at a considerable weight savings! Add in the new front and rear suspension and I think once the handling gets dialed in it should make a formatable autoX car.
1 thing I found interesting is that the exhaust manifold is cast right into the head,with a short collector pipe to the turbo. Not sure how keen I would be on that because it would make and mods rather difficult but ford claims it was flow tested. Some good things are the available larger GT brakes,forged rods and "special" coated pistons that get cooled by oil jets.... Tres cool...
There is some talk that the new model is heavier... :o than the 14 by as much as 200 pounds but ford is being tight lipped about the true specs and use catch phrazes like makes more than xxx hp and xxx lbs of torque,strangely enough for the complete engine lineup in the stang. Linelock and launch control come standard on the GT and they say it has 4 chassie modes that set many of the electronic controls to the drivers preference.
I honestly have never considered buying a stang since the early 70's but I think I might take a test drive,at 25 grand or so seems like a pretty good value for the money. I've owned hondas for along time and I would really consider any other make but the new stang has caught my eye!
:salute
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Lol, unless you're one of the automotive engineers, you're not included in that "we".
Not sure what this means... My past in Ford: consultant, Vehicle Dynamics, Internal Vehicle Dynamicist - Test and Virtual Proto, Product Planner, Material Cost Specialist: Design Efficiency, Global Cost and Tooling, Target Setting Expert...
I work directly with all major programs worldwide early phase to define cost and content (and that inculded this one). Much of my current work is in helping engineers define content and cost tradeoffs. I help shape the programs directly. I'm very pleased with what WE, the Ford Leadership Team, have done for the Company since about '06.
The rest of your screed sounds like the kind of stuff most car guys would call emotive "noise". I love the way you infer personality from possession, then accuse our buyers of the same thing. A shrink would call it projection.
Beyond that, if you want to talk cars, this is a car thread, for car guys.
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Not sure what this means... My past in Ford: consultant, Vehicle Dynamics, Internal Vehicle Dynamicist - Test and Virtual Proto, Product Planner, Material Cost Specialist: Design Efficiency, Global Cost and Tooling, Target Setting Expert...
I work directly with all major programs worldwide early phase to define cost and content (and that inculded this one). Much of my current work is in helping engineers define content and cost tradeoffs. I help shape the programs directly. I'm very pleased with what WE, the Ford Leadership Team, have done for the Company since about '06.
The rest of your screed sounds like the kind of stuff most car guys would call emotive "noise". I love the way you infer personality from possession, then accuse our buyers of the same thing. A shrink would call it projection.
Beyond that, if you want to talk cars, this is a car thread, for car guys.
:aok :aok
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Hmmm.... I never knew that material possession justified acting like a gianormous sweetheart, or that it reflected on the quality of the individual.
Of courses, that also means you're just at the top of the bottom in the big picture, and that no matter how big you act, you're still just a bug next to Lamborghini owners.
Or you could recognize that you simply own a very nice car that is only slightly faster than some very nice cars, and slower than some other very nice cars.
you've no clue. know my chances of seeing a lambo? slim and none....and slim left town. if you think i'm acting this way 'cause i own a nice car, you don't know me at all.
i've semi-restored a 69 z28 302 4 speed with 4 wheel disc. i loved working on that car. i've built street cars, and i built a 9 second camaro. i don't say what i say because i'm trying to be "billy badas" i say what i say from experience.
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I think the new ECOboost engine might just turn the stang into a sports car,almost... Reports say 305 hp and 300LBs of torque,thats better than the V6 and at a considerable weight savings! Add in the new front and rear suspension and I think once the handling gets dialed in it should make a formatable autoX car.
1 thing I found interesting is that the exhaust manifold is cast right into the head,with a short collector pipe to the turbo. Not sure how keen I would be on that because it would make and mods rather difficult but ford claims it was flow tested. Some good things are the available larger GT brakes,forged rods and "special" coated pistons that get cooled by oil jets.... Tres cool...
There is some talk that the new model is heavier... :o than the 14 by as much as 200 pounds but ford is being tight lipped about the true specs and use catch phrazes like makes more than xxx hp and xxx lbs of torque,strangely enough for the complete engine lineup in the stang. Linelock and launch control come standard on the GT and they say it has 4 chassie modes that set many of the electronic controls to the drivers preference.
I honestly have never considered buying a stang since the early 70's but I think I might take a test drive,at 25 grand or so seems like a pretty good value for the money. I've owned hondas for along time and I would really consider any other make but the new stang has caught my eye!
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i'd heard that this new chassis was supposed to get her down to the 3200# range.......
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Not sure what this means... My past in Ford: consultant, Vehicle Dynamics, Internal Vehicle Dynamicist - Test and Virtual Proto, Product Planner, Material Cost Specialist: Design Efficiency, Global Cost and Tooling, Target Setting Expert...
I work directly with all major programs worldwide early phase to define cost and content (and that inculded this one). Much of my current work is in helping engineers define content and cost tradeoffs. I help shape the programs directly. I'm very pleased with what WE, the Ford Leadership Team, have done for the Company since about '06.
The rest of your screed sounds like the kind of stuff most car guys would call emotive "noise". I love the way you infer personality from possession, then accuse our buyers of the same thing. A shrink would call it projection.
Beyond that, if you want to talk cars, this is a car thread, for car guys.
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Not sure what this means... My past in Ford: consultant, Vehicle Dynamics, Internal Vehicle Dynamicist - Test and Virtual Proto, Product Planner, Material Cost Specialist: Design Efficiency, Global Cost and Tooling, Target Setting Expert...
I work directly with all major programs worldwide early phase to define cost and content (and that inculded this one). Much of my current work is in helping engineers define content and cost tradeoffs. I help shape the programs directly. I'm very pleased with what WE, the Ford Leadership Team, have done for the Company since about '06.
The rest of your screed sounds like the kind of stuff most car guys would call emotive "noise". I love the way you infer personality from possession, then accuse our buyers of the same thing. A shrink would call it projection.
Beyond that, if you want to talk cars, this is a car thread, for car guys.
It means if you didn't design the car, you're not the one being beat. The Ford brand and the Ford engineers are the ones that got beat. Is there any way you you self could have made the Shelby's any faster? If not, it's the engineers.
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Okay, CO, I'll accept your rationale and, understand, I won't vilify you because you're probably a decent person BUT that's not how it works.
How it actually works is that the Attriubte Engineers as k for the moon, the Functional Engineers try to deliver it, and MArketing comes and pees in everybody's cornflakes by telling us we can't get revenue for it. They instead tell us what revenue to expect and the Program makes engineering design within that cost box.
If engineers had it their way, you'd probably be seeing more products like GT. As is, the interpreters of the market and the finance people kill everybody's buzz, sometimes rightly (but not always). IMJ, one of the biggest challenges we face as a company is dealing with an ever more fragmented, more specialized, lower-volume per program market - and making that pay.
All that said, I think Design and Release Engineering at Ford is a very tricky balancing act.
BTW, I actually found your correlation of Apple and VW Diesel insightful and agree with you entirely on "green" engineering. It's a Trojan Horse used to gull morons, mostly. Consider our sequential twin turbo setups in our "ecoboost". I laugh every time I think of that name and the green leaf logo.Ecoboost = big fuel and weight specific smoke-belching POWER. It reminds me of this one time I saw some pretentious woman driving in her lexus 450h SUV with the bumper sticker, "Got Air?" Of course, she had little clue as to how much waste and toxic material went into her high voltage battery and had little clue that energy intensity of hybrid production is significant compared to normal IC production (hence the added cost - and it's a lot). No, she was content to drive down the road pointing the finger, to which I say, Okay, Moral Superiority costs money. How morally superior do you want to be?
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i'd heard that this new chassis was supposed to get her down to the 3200# range.......
You see Cap this is the problem,you heard,I heard they heard but ford hasnt said so no one really know. I was reading several different auto sites about the stang and several quoted a 70KG to 136KG weight creep. Then on another site the stated that the 15 would be lighter than the 14 but none of the sites or writers had the car on a scale!
Until ford gives the numbers out it's all speculation,this is why I pointed out that they use catch phrazes like "more than" when they give the HP numbers. All the available 15's are preproduction cars and often changes are made right up to launch date,I'm sure PJzilla can confirm this.
The first 15's will be running on the line in flatrock about the first week of sept. Launch of the new models used to be right after labour day weekend,provided there are no setbacks.
The IRS while new isnt really,ford has done this before but the new front suspension is completely different from any other mustang,AFAIK and this has me real interested. I also read the GT will have available 15 inch brembos,I see no reason why these couldnt be bodged onto the ecoboost for autoX or track purposes.
I cant beleive I'm even thinking about a stang......
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Never trust a site stating KG....
merica!
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2015 ford mustang-- 2.4 inline4 310hp 470fpt---there are v8's out there that don't have that.
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You see Cap this is the problem,you heard,I heard they heard but ford hasnt said so no one really know. I was reading several different auto sites about the stang and several quoted a 70KG to 136KG weight creep. Then on another site the stated that the 15 would be lighter than the 14 but none of the sites or writers had the car on a scale!
Until ford gives the numbers out it's all speculation,this is why I pointed out that they use catch phrazes like "more than" when they give the HP numbers. All the available 15's are preproduction cars and often changes are made right up to launch date,I'm sure PJzilla can confirm this.
The first 15's will be running on the line in flatrock about the first week of sept. Launch of the new models used to be right after labour day weekend,provided there are no setbacks.
The IRS while new isnt really,ford has done this before but the new front suspension is completely different from any other mustang,AFAIK and this has me real interested. I also read the GT will have available 15 inch brembos,I see no reason why these couldnt be bodged onto the ecoboost for autoX or track purposes.
I cant beleive I'm even thinking about a stang......
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i dunno if pj can confirm or deny......but some digging a few weeks back brought me to the conclusion that the 015 looks to be based on the ford mondeo chassis. if i'm correct with that, we can "guesstimate" the weight. the 4th gen mondeo is said to weigh 3,164–3,552 lb. that gets us pretty close. hell....can you imagine a 3100 pound gt? :devil :x
EDIT.....looking for the pages i'd found before, and can't......i may well be wrong there.
stang suspension....
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/2015-mustang-s550-986.html
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If I went and got that data, I'd be in serious trouble if I shared it here... Sorry.
I should, and I've written it here before: on this site and as a non-spokesman employee, I do not speak for the company. Further, the only data I'll talk about is data that's already been publicly released.
Speaking of which, while the weight numbers weren't released, I believe there has been significant public data released on some of the martial used in the BIW and closures, both for this and the new f-series.
If you can't tell, I love the company. There have been years that sucked -I've been with them since 91 as a consultant, 96 as a direct. But, even in those dark years, or in some of the assignments I haven't enjoyed as much as my current one, I've still always felt that I was part is something worthwhile. I couldn't say that about some of my former companies...
Btw, I never really got to talk to Mulally. I traded some email with him about tennis. He's a solid player. The guy who "got it" and really, IMO, drove the product-led turnaround was Derrick Kuzak. No lie, that guy would sit down with individual engineers (watched him do it) and go through their content and cost assumptions. If there was an overhead console sunglasses bin in the control model, Kuzak could tell you why it was the size it was ( you'd laugh if you knew on one notable forward model program -I say no more). Sadly, I suspect it was his health that drove his retirement -but he got the one truth that, before that, had eluded most of our leadership: if you don't put content cost in the car, you'll end up giving it away as cash on the hood. He was a great guy. So far, so good with the successor...
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2015 ford mustang-- 2.4 inline4 310hp 470fpt---there are v8's out there that don't have that.
not a chance.
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not a chance.
He mistakenly posted the specs for the Mustang "Kenworth Special" TDI model. :D
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If I went and got that data, I'd be in serious trouble if I shared it here... Sorry.
I should, and I've written it here before: on this site and as a non-spokesman employee, I do not speak for the company. Further, the only data I'll talk about is data that's already been publicly released.
Speaking of which, while the weight numbers weren't released, I believe there has been significant public data released on some of the martial used in the BIW and closures, both for this and the new f-series.
If you can't tell, I love the company. There have been years that sucked -I've been with them since 91 as a consultant, 96 as a direct. But, even in those dark years, or in some of the assignments I haven't enjoyed as much as my current one, I've still always felt that I was part is something worthwhile. I couldn't say that about some of my former companies...
Btw, I never really got to talk to Mulally. I traded some email with him about tennis. He's a solid player. The guy who "got it" and really, IMO, drove the product-led turnaround was Derrick Kuzak. No lie, that guy would sit down with individual engineers (watched him do it) and go through their content and cost assumptions. If there was an overhead console sunglasses bin in the control model, Kuzak could tell you why it was the size it was ( you'd laugh if you knew on one notable forward model program -I say no more). Sadly, I suspect it was his health that drove his retirement -but he got the one truth that, before that, had eluded most of our leadership: if you don't put content cost in the car, you'll end up giving it away as cash on the hood. He was a great guy. So far, so good with the successor...
i wasn't really sure how much you were or weren't allowed to talk about without risking your job....which you definitley don't wanna do.......
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Bought my kid a 2011 Camaro yesterday that only had 9,000 miles on it. Beautiful car with all the Bells and whistles except the V8. But hey even the V6 gets 315 HP, enough to keep a 21yo happy. Ive always been a Mustang guy but i have to admit the Camaro is a beautiful auto. They had a 2014 black Vette on the floor and it might just be the sharpest Vette they ever made. Its looked like the Bat Mobile with those four exhaust pipes together in the rear like that. And I wonder if 460 HP can make flame?
Anyway my son went off to USAF a kid and came back a man. He is serving his country faithfully and living honorably and this is the payoff from the old man.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Camaro-keep_zps029fb884.jpg)
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not a chance.
go to the web site
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Anyway my son went off to USAF a kid and came back a man. He is serving his country faithfully and living honorably and this is the payoff from the old man.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Camaro-keep_zps029fb884.jpg)
I know you are proud and congrats to him! What is his AFSC?
With such an achievement, you should have splurged and got him a Mustang :bolt: J/K of course.
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Bought my kid a 2011 Camaro yesterday that only had 9,000 miles on it. Beautiful car with all the Bells and whistles except the V8. But hey even the V6 gets 315 HP, enough to keep a 21yo happy. Ive always been a Mustang guy but i have to admit the Camaro is a beautiful auto. They had a 2014 black Vette on the floor and it might just be the sharpest Vette they ever made. Its looked like the Bat Mobile with those four exhaust pipes together in the rear like that. And I wonder if 460 HP can make flame?
Anyway my son went off to USAF a kid and came back a man. He is serving his country faithfully and living honorably and this is the payoff from the old man.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Camaro-keep_zps029fb884.jpg)
that's a good looking car. and yes, he'll be more than happy with the v6 in those. do me a favor? take a look at the front wheel hubs from underneath? my buddy's 2010 v8 actually has splined hubs....as if they were considering the possibility of an awd version.
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Bought my kid a 2011 Camaro yesterday that only had 9,000 miles on it. Beautiful car with all the Bells and whistles except the V8. But hey even the V6 gets 315 HP, enough to keep a 21yo happy. Ive always been a Mustang guy but i have to admit the Camaro is a beautiful auto. They had a 2014 black Vette on the floor and it might just be the sharpest Vette they ever made. Its looked like the Bat Mobile with those four exhaust pipes together in the rear like that. And I wonder if 460 HP can make flame?
Anyway my son went off to USAF a kid and came back a man. He is serving his country faithfully and living honorably and this is the payoff from the old man.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Camaro-keep_zps029fb884.jpg)
Nice! :aok
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Well, the kid deserves a nice car and the Camaro is, admittedly, not a bad choice for a young dude. Rich should pm me next time before he goes to the dealership, though - and I mean that. I'd add him to my friends plan if he isn't already on one.
BTW, my Dad (rip) was a Captain in the USAF, but just a dentist. I was nominated to go to AFA by Rep John Erlenborn but respectfully declined... (long story), all of which is to say, YOUR KID ROCKS.
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i dunno if pj can confirm or deny......but some digging a few weeks back brought me to the conclusion that the 015 looks to be based on the ford mondeo chassis. if i'm correct with that, we can "guesstimate" the weight. the 4th gen mondeo is said to weigh 3,164–3,552 lb. that gets us pretty close. hell....can you imagine a 3100 pound gt? :devil :x
EDIT.....looking for the pages i'd found before, and can't......i may well be wrong there.
stang suspension....
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/2015-mustang-s550-986.html
The only thing I was thinking PJzilla would confirm was the sept. build start!
It's been years since I was even in an auto factory but IIRC it was right after the long weekend we would clean the line of the last remaining cars and transition over to the new model.
I would suspect sometime in august we'll start to see the real numbers as the ad campains and brosures will be in place and they'll have little choice then,of course they could always use the dreaded N/A where they list the hp,torque and weight figures...... :devil
Cap I know you'd want the V8 model and why not but I'm more interested in the turbo 4,now if ford could bring that in at 2400lbs......... :x more likely 3400 tho... :cry
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Thanks for the kind comments. I woke up from my nap and found him just sitting in the car outside the house listening to music Lol He'll probably sleep in it tonight. Its no easy thing for a kid going from civilian life and embracing the discipline and responsibility of military life. We are very proud of him and I think with a car he'll enjoy his military years even more. :salute
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Bring back the 50's, 60's desgin
first mustang was 64 1/2...
Ford design from the 50's for different vehicles
nm didnt read ahead.... :bolt:
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tyhe z28 isn'tr in the picture. the shelby is direct competition the zl1. both of these cars can be had for less than $70k. the z28 is limited production. it's got NUTHIN. a/c is a $1100 option. single speaker radio. no power anything. carbon brakes(which i believe remove it from most street car classes). i think(i could be wrong)costs well over $70k. add to that that due to the limited production, they'll probably be fetching over $90k.
that all said.....it is an AWESOME car. maybe we'll get lucky, and ford'll put something out there to beat that one too. :) actually......wonder how the fr500 compares to it. :)
ford has the mustang "R" no ac no radio no nothing but raw 800 or 900 hp.
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The only thing I was thinking PJzilla would confirm was the sept. build start!
It's been years since I was even in an auto factory but IIRC it was right after the long weekend we would clean the line of the last remaining cars and transition over to the new model.
I would suspect sometime in august we'll start to see the real numbers as the ad campains and brosures will be in place and they'll have little choice then,of course they could always use the dreaded N/A where they list the hp,torque and weight figures...... :devil
Cap I know you'd want the V8 model and why not but I'm more interested in the turbo 4,now if ford could bring that in at 2400lbs......... :x more likely 3400 tho... :cry
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dam straight. i'm too old to change now, lololol. v8's the ONLY way for me to fly. :devil i suspect that if they've worked out the turbo as well as volvo, or audi, that even at 3400# that thing will be a screamer. at 2400#, even i'd consider a 4 banger. :aok
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ford has the mustang "R" no ac no radio no nothing but raw 800 or 900 hp.
got a link to that one? i never heard of that one?
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mustang R.. whats ur email.. i'll send you it.. lol
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You must mean the aforementioned Cobrajet:
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2014-ford-mustang-cobra-jet-nhra-prototype-ar160333.html
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There was (is?) a BOSS 302R option. No VIN as with the CJ and a factory built race car.
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Anyway my son went off to USAF a kid and came back a man. He is serving his country faithfully and living honorably and this is the payoff from the old man.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Camaro-keep_zps029fb884.jpg)
You are obviously, a great dad!
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You are obviously, a great dad!
Thanks but I think it was more his Mom. I simply raised him the way I was raised, but without the left hooks. To respect life , the Flag, and the great Institutions of this country. Its hard tho...when they leave. The house is way to quiet.
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There was (is?) a BOSS 302R option. No VIN as with the CJ and a factory built race car.
i thought ya could get the boss r for the street?
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Bought my kid a 2011 Camaro yesterday that only had 9,000 miles on it. Beautiful car with all the Bells and whistles except the V8. But hey even the V6 gets 315 HP, enough to keep a 21yo happy. Ive always been a Mustang guy but i have to admit the Camaro is a beautiful auto. They had a 2014 black Vette on the floor and it might just be the sharpest Vette they ever made. Its looked like the Bat Mobile with those four exhaust pipes together in the rear like that. And I wonder if 460 HP can make flame?
Anyway my son went off to USAF a kid and came back a man. He is serving his country faithfully and living honorably and this is the payoff from the old man.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Camaro-keep_zps029fb884.jpg)
Sweet ride :aok
Here's mine!
(https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10171019_767002869976807_1477102536_n.jpg)
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Sweet ride :aok
Here's mine!
(https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10171019_767002869976807_1477102536_n.jpg)
Yeah they are very nice cars tho had I the cash to buy a new Sunday car I think it would be the Mustang. I had a '66 and later a new '85 GT. But no question the Camaro is a beauty. Unfortunately my Sunday car cash just went to my only child :lol but I think He'll appreciate the auto more then I would. Its his first car and 9,000 miles on it is nothing. They had one just like yours on the lot, "I personally prefer silver" but he wanted a red one so bad. It was just meant to be.
Yaknow for those of us who grew up during "the muscle age" its really amazing the HP AND mileage out of these new engines. To think how you can walk in and buy new American made muscle with 400+ HP for $30 to $50 G AND still get the mileage you do is just amazing. Hell even the V6's are well over 300 HP.
If I could I'd buy a Jet Black 2014 Pony GT. 420 HP is an awful lot of power and torque for an off the showroom floor standard Pony car.
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Yeah they are very nice cars tho had I the cash to buy a new Sunday car I think it would be the Mustang. I had a '66 and later a new '85 GT. But no question the Camaro is a beauty. Unfortunately my Sunday car cash just went to my only child :lol but I think He'll appreciate the auto more then I would. Its his first car and 9,000 miles on it is nothing. They had one just like yours on the lot, "I personally prefer silver" but he wanted a red one so bad. It was just meant to be.
Yaknow for those of us who grew up during "the muscle age" its really amazing the HP AND mileage out of these new engines. To think how you can walk in and buy new American made muscle with 400+ HP for $30 to $50 G AND still get the mileage you do is just amazing. Hell even the V6's are well over 300 HP.
If I could I'd buy a Jet Black 2014 Pony GT. 420 HP is an awful lot of power and torque for an off the showroom floor standard Pony car.
the key's not necessarily the horsepower....but how/when it's made/used. way back when, we needed to get our old v8's to redline or close to it to really use/feel the power. now, these things give it to you right off idle.
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Bumping this thread but for good reason.
the c7 will eat the shelby for lunch.
Chevy fans look away now.
C7 Stingray gets the GT500 at the launch, but the GT500 beats it in longer runs. Stingray would only be good for the 1/4 mile IMO, after that the GT500 would win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwkQVY_1jpw
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Bumping this thread but for good reason.
Chevy fans look away now.
C7 Stingray gets the GT500 at the launch, but the GT500 beats it in longer runs. Stingray would only be good for the 1/4 mile IMO, after that the GT500 would win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwkQVY_1jpw
Until you have to turn...
I've driven both of them quite a bit, and the Stingray BY FAR is the more fun car to drive.
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dam straight. i'm too old to change now, lololol. v8's the ONLY way for me to fly. :devil i suspect that if they've worked out the turbo as well as volvo, or audi, that even at 3400# that thing will be a screamer. at 2400#, even i'd consider a 4 banger. :aok
Cap,the only way I would consider a V8 is if I could get an all wheel drive package! Something like the Taurus persuit cars that ford made for the cops,now if I could find a nice used 1 of those...... :devil
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Kinda tickles me the way people compare GT500 (umm ..not a base model Mustang) to the base model Vette (which the Stingray is)
Run the numbers of the new GT500 next to the new Z06 ..hmmm?
(and Ford gonna need a bit of help if GM decides to upgrade the ZR Vette)
Or the base 5.0 Mustang with the Stingray ..hmm?
Apples an Oranges just do not compare.
Mustang competition is the Camaro or Challenger ..all of 'em are a blast to drive.
All of 'em are orders of magnitude better than the 'muscle car' era of late 60's early '70's.
I remember my '67 HEMI GTX 4-gear all too well.
Wheel wells too small for what the Hemi could put down.
Stop? ..plan ahead.
Mileage? 4mpg avg on any cruise nite, far less if you punched it.
Granted ..'rated' hp was 425 *cough* ..to help with insurance costs by the factory.
That was at 4200rpm. She'd go 7k and pull hard all the way there.
Dick Landy took one out of the box and it dyno'd at 650hp and it peaked far beyond 4200rpm
..only addition from stock were the headers the dyno used.
Yes ..the base, hydraulic lifter street 426 Hemi.
As for factory race cars .. Drag Pak Challenger with that V-10 motor does ok I hear
.. along with the COPO Camaro factory race car.
Ford is not the only game in town -evil grin-
If I could I'd be runnin a Drag Pak Challenger every Sunday -evil grin-
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=drag+pack+challenger&qpvt=drag+pack+challenger&FORM=VDRE#view=detail&mid=727404616D317891C250727404616D317891C250
-Frank aka GE
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Kinda tickles me the way people compare GT500 (umm ..not a base model Mustang) to the base model Vette (which the Stingray is)
Run the numbers of the new GT500 next to the new Z06 ..hmmm?
(and Ford gonna need a bit of help if GM decides to upgrade the ZR Vette)
Or the base 5.0 Mustang with the Stingray ..hmm?
Apples an Oranges just do not compare.
Mustang competition is the Camaro or Challenger ..all of 'em are a blast to drive.
All of 'em are orders of magnitude better than the 'muscle car' era of late 60's early '70's.
I remember my '67 HEMI GTX 4-gear all too well.
Wheel wells too small for what the Hemi could put down.
Stop? ..plan ahead.
Mileage? 4mpg avg on any cruise nite, far less if you punched it.
Granted ..'rated' hp was 425 *cough* ..to help with insurance costs by the factory.
That was at 4200rpm. She'd go 7k and pull hard all the way there.
Dick Landy took one out of the box and it dyno'd at 650hp and it peaked far beyond 4200rpm
..only addition from stock were the headers the dyno used.
Yes ..the base, hydraulic lifter street 426 Hemi.
As for factory race cars .. Drag Pak Challenger with that V-10 motor does ok I hear
.. along with the COPO Camaro factory race car.
Ford is not the only game in town -evil grin-
If I could I'd be runnin a Drag Pak Challenger every Sunday -evil grin-
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=drag+pack+challenger&qpvt=drag+pack+challenger&FORM=VDRE#view=detail&mid=727404616D317891C250727404616D317891C250
-Frank aka GE
i'm innocent of that lopsided comparison.
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I know, Cap .. we and some others 'get it' .. we have our brands that we like, and know that they are all a blast to drive.
It always tickles me when someone comes along and compares a halo car model to a base Vette.
Makes me think Vette got it right :) ..and then you step into a Z model and it just gets crazy from there.
On a run to Crater Lake out in the desert here in AZ one of our club's Z06 guys had his right front tire start losing pressure.
Seems at 205mph the bead was separating from the rim. It was discovered to have some broken cords in the bead due to improper installation.
We had a local Porsche club with us that day .. they were ..well .. I could still see a couple of them in my rear view mirror, but I lost them totally before reaching the lake.
And I was only cruising 150 or so.
Nothin like blastin down country roads that are straight as an arrow for 20miles+ early on a Saturday morning, out in the middle of nowhere :)
With friends :)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/my%20vette/110mph_big_grin.jpg) (http://s138.photobucket.com/user/1grayeagle/media/my%20vette/110mph_big_grin.jpg.html)
Taken by a friend in his red Vette ..at 120mph or so, Kathy was asleep in passenger seat ..great day for a drive :)
-Frank aka GE
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I know, Cap .. we and some others 'get it' .. we have our brands that we like, and know that they are all a blast to drive.
It always tickles me when someone comes along and compares a halo car model to a base Vette.
Makes me think Vette got it right :) ..and then you step into a Z model and it just gets crazy from there.
On a run to Crater Lake out in the desert here in AZ one of our club's Z06 guys had his right front tire start losing pressure.
Seems at 205mph the bead was separating from the rim. It was discovered to have some broken cords in the bead due to improper installation.
We had a local Porsche club with us that day .. they were ..well .. I could still see a couple of them in my rear view mirror, but I lost them totally before reaching the lake.
And I was only cruising 150 or so.
Nothin like blastin down country roads that are straight as an arrow for 20miles+ early on a Saturday morning, out in the middle of nowhere :)
With friends :)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/my%20vette/110mph_big_grin.jpg) (http://s138.photobucket.com/user/1grayeagle/media/my%20vette/110mph_big_grin.jpg.html)
Taken by a friend in his red Vette ..at 120mph or so, Kathy was asleep in passenger seat ..great day for a drive :)
-Frank aka GE
Porsche isn't as great as everyone says it is, Vette's usually blow them out of the water most of the time and on top of that, they don't cost 80K+
They're all a bunch of squished VW Beetles anyways.
(Sorry Porsche fans :D)
Still, I would rather have a Viper SRT10 ACR. Crazy beast does 210 straight from the factory and holds #6 on the top 100 times for the Nurburgring/Nordschleife, something that GM has yet to do. GM and Ford hasn't had a top 10 spot and probably wont get one for a while.
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Porsche vs Vette... The age-old grudge match.
Chris took both the C7 and the Carrera S out on a track earlier this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MPSr7ZWnYQ
The price difference is huge, but then you can't really compare the Corvette to a quality product like the Porsche. The Corvette is a trailer park ports car with a Volkswagen price tag, and made from melted down plastic food trays and other rubbish.
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looks like skorp and sholz are tryin' to take this into the gutter, lolololol
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Love how scorp's argument basically boils down to "look, the Viper's engine has an extra 2.2 liters of displacement!"
I mean yeah, the SRT is fast, but that V10 is also a big beast.
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Porsche vs Vette... The age-old grudge match.
Chris took both the C7 and the Carrera S out on a track earlier this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MPSr7ZWnYQ
The price difference is huge, but then you can't really compare the Corvette to a quality product like the Porsche. The Corvette is a trailer park ports car with a Volkswagen price tag, and made from melted down plastic food trays and other rubbish.
Yep, there's always one.