New 2015 mustang looks like a aston martin wannabe

[PJ_Godzilla]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/[/url]
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will.

News flash: this thing now has an IRS... I'll wait to see the reviews

Full disclosure: yes, I'm with the company but not speaking for it. My summer toy is an LPE modified lt4 vette, but, at some point over the next year or so, I will probably test drive the new mustang. I wasn't a fan of the live axle's handling, especially over bumpy roads, (too many scary incidents in some of the mustangs I've had) hence the GM garage queen. However, the new Mustang, from what I'm hearing, is formidable. Combine the Shelby's power with a decent chassis and it's a new ball game at the halo. As was, at base v6 and GT levels we were beating Camaro anyway -and how's that guidomobile selling, anyway?

Bottom line: it's frustrating to me that we let GM beat us at the top end. Those guys can't find their butts with both hands and a flashlight and we have to be content, internally, in beating them in the market. I want more.

Addition: the 2.3 l economist is good for 305 hp. I guess GM is getting as much out of their GTDI tech too, though...NOT. The 3.5 ecoboost in my corporate vehicle is 2014 production, thus developed in probably '08 or '09 and is still worth 365hp. GM is facing a steamroller because we now have best in class fuel specific output. Combine that with the fact that we're going to blow away their new pickup and expect GM to continue to be the weak sister. 5.0l out
It will remain at 420hp and about 400 lb-ft of torque down low. Expect this to perform at M3levels on the track, since the old Boss was neck and neck with same ... http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustang_gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html

[eagl]

if you haven't driven one of the new mustangs, you should. they turn. very nicely. like they're on rails. shocked the $#%$ outta me too.

By "turn worth a darn" I really mean remain competitive in stock trim in various SCCA and road racing venues.  Year after year the top stang driver just can't touch the top chebby driver either stock or modified.  In many cases you go down 10 spots to find the first stang.  And since in the various mod classes each car is only allowed the exact same TYPE of mods, easy mods that make huge performance differences are either not available or they are just as effective for the other brand.

Whenever I look at the autox regional and national results, I just can't remember seeing mustangs dominating either stock or modified classes.

[CAP1]

By "turn worth a darn" I really mean remain competitive in stock trim in various SCCA and road racing venues.  Year after year the top stang driver just can't touch the top chebby driver either stock or modified.  In many cases you go down 10 spots to find the first stang.  And since in the various mod classes each car is only allowed the exact same TYPE of mods, easy mods that make huge performance differences are either not available or they are just as effective for the other brand.

Whenever I look at the autox regional and national results, I just can't remember seeing mustangs dominating either stock or modified classes.

 well it does turn well enough to run right with the beemers.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4

[TheCrazyOrange]

See Rules #4, #6

[eagl]

well it does turn well enough to run right with the beemers.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4

Well, I just checked the 2013 solo2 results and I guess a mustang GT did win the F Stock class, so they can't suck all that bad anymore

[CAP1]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1403_chevrolet_camaro_z28_porsche_911_turbo_s_nissan_gt_r_comparison/[/url]
says the GTR and 911 can't keep up with the z/28 on a track, so no way in hell some live rear axle car will.


News flash: this thing now has an IRS... I'll wait to see the reviews

Full disclosure: yes, I'm with the company but not speaking for it. My summer toy is an LPE modified lt4 vette, but, at some point over the next year or so, I will probably test drive the new mustang. I wasn't a fan of the live axle's handling, especially over bumpy roads, (too many scary incidents in some of the mustangs I've had) hence the GM garage queen. However, the new Mustang, from what I'm hearing, is formidable. Combine the Shelby's power with a decent chassis and it's a new ball game at the halo. As was, at base v6 and GT levels we were beating Camaro anyway -and how's that guidomobile selling, anyway?

Bottom line: it's frustrating to me that we let GM beat us at the top end. Those guys can't find their butts with both hands and a flashlight and we have to be content, internally, in beating them in the market. I want more.

Addition: the 2.3 l economist is good for 305 hp. I guess GM is getting as much out of their GTDI tech too, though...NOT. The 3.5 ecoboost in my corporate vehicle is 2014 production, thus developed in probably '08 or '09 and is still worth 365hp. GM is facing a steamroller because we now have best in class fuel specific output. Combine that with the fact that we're going to blow away their new pickup and expect GM to continue to be the weak sister. 5.0l out
It will remain at 420hp and about 400 lb-ft of torque down low. Expect this to perform at M3levels on the track, since the old Boss was neck and neck with same ... http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustang_gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html

 actually the GT was within .1 of a second lapping streets of willow. basically, they could be re-run, and the times would be different. people that say that solid axles don't do this, can't do that, within the realms of street driving just don't know how to drive them.

 that all said.....i WILL be testing an 015, as i can sell my beauty for well over 10k more than i owe on her.  

[CAP1]

See Rules #4, #6

 well go look for golfer, and run him. after ya lose to him at the drag strip, i'll run ya down at milleville. it's not inflated ego. it's pure fact. when you never see the back end of the competition.........well..... you must be out front.  

[CAP1]

Well, I just checked the 2013 solo2 results and I guess a mustang GT did win the F Stock class, so they can't suck all that bad anymore

 

 this one's kinda devolving, eh?

 BTW, there's 2 gto's running around my area that i haven't seen till recently. they sound dam good.

[eagl]

 

 this one's kinda devolving, eh?

 BTW, there's 2 gto's running around my area that i haven't seen till recently. they sound dam good.

Busted, fo sho

I've been contemplating headers and x-pipe with stock mufflers on my G8, and there's a lot of background research for that shared with the GTOs.  Some of them sound awesome.  Too awesome for me, which is why I'll stick with the quiet solution, just headers, catted xpipe, and stock mufflers.  That's good for about 20-30hp depending on the tune and any other mods but it doesn't drone and is still pretty quiet until you get on the gas.  I figure that ought to go great with my CAI, probably pick up close to 30-40 rwhp from the CAI exhaust and tune without changing drivability or losing mpg.

[TheCrazyOrange]

well go look for golfer, and run him. after ya lose to him at the drag strip, i'll run ya down at milleville. it's not inflated ego. it's pure fact. when you never see the back end of the competition.........well..... you must be out front. 

Hmmm.... I never knew that material possession justified acting like a gianormous sweetheart, or that it reflected on the quality of the individual.

Of courses, that also means you're just at the top of the bottom in the big picture, and that no matter how big you act, you're still just a bug next to Lamborghini owners.

Or you could recognize that you simply own a very nice car that is only slightly faster than some very nice cars, and slower than some other very nice cars.

[morfiend]

well it does turn well enough to run right with the beemers.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4

  I think the new ECOboost engine might just turn the stang into a sports car,almost...  Reports say 305 hp and 300LBs of torque,thats better than the V6 and at a considerable weight savings! Add in the new front and rear suspension and I think once the handling gets dialed in it should make a formatable autoX car.

  1 thing I found interesting is that the exhaust manifold is cast right into the head,with a short collector pipe to the turbo. Not sure how keen I would be on that because it would make and mods rather difficult but ford claims it was flow tested. Some good things are the available larger GT brakes,forged rods and "special" coated pistons that get cooled by oil jets.... Tres cool...

 There is some talk that the new model is heavier... than the 14 by as much as 200 pounds but ford is being tight lipped about the true specs and use catch phrazes like makes more than xxx hp and xxx lbs of torque,strangely enough for the complete engine lineup in the stang.  Linelock and launch control come standard on the GT and they say it has 4 chassie modes that set many of the electronic controls to the drivers preference.

  I honestly have never considered buying a stang since the early 70's but I think I might take a test drive,at 25 grand or so seems like a pretty good value for the money. I've owned hondas for along time and I would really consider any other make but the new stang has caught my eye!



   

[PJ_Godzilla]

Lol, unless you're one of the automotive engineers, you're not included in that "we".

Not sure what this means... My past in Ford: consultant, Vehicle Dynamics, Internal Vehicle Dynamicist - Test and Virtual Proto, Product Planner, Material Cost Specialist: Design Efficiency, Global Cost and Tooling, Target Setting Expert...

I work directly with all major programs worldwide early phase to define cost and content (and that inculded this one). Much of my current work is in helping engineers define content and cost tradeoffs. I help shape the programs directly. I'm very pleased with what WE, the Ford Leadership Team, have done for the Company since about '06.

The rest of your screed sounds like the kind of stuff most car guys would call emotive "noise". I love the way you infer personality from possession, then accuse our buyers of the same thing. A shrink would call it projection.

Beyond that, if you want to talk cars, this is a car thread, for car guys.

[-ammo-]

Not sure what this means... My past in Ford: consultant, Vehicle Dynamics, Internal Vehicle Dynamicist - Test and Virtual Proto, Product Planner, Material Cost Specialist: Design Efficiency, Global Cost and Tooling, Target Setting Expert...

I work directly with all major programs worldwide early phase to define cost and content (and that inculded this one). Much of my current work is in helping engineers define content and cost tradeoffs. I help shape the programs directly. I'm very pleased with what WE, the Ford Leadership Team, have done for the Company since about '06.

The rest of your screed sounds like the kind of stuff most car guys would call emotive "noise". I love the way you infer personality from possession, then accuse our buyers of the same thing. A shrink would call it projection.

Beyond that, if you want to talk cars, this is a car thread, for car guys.

   

[CAP1]

Hmmm.... I never knew that material possession justified acting like a gianormous sweetheart, or that it reflected on the quality of the individual.

Of courses, that also means you're just at the top of the bottom in the big picture, and that no matter how big you act, you're still just a bug next to Lamborghini owners.

Or you could recognize that you simply own a very nice car that is only slightly faster than some very nice cars, and slower than some other very nice cars.

 you've no clue. know my chances of seeing a lambo? slim and none....and slim left town. if you think i'm acting this way 'cause i own a nice car, you don't know me at all.

 i've semi-restored a 69 z28 302 4 speed with 4 wheel disc. i loved working on that car. i've built street cars, and i built a 9 second camaro. i don't say what i say because i'm trying to be "billy badas" i say what i say from experience.

[CAP1]

  I think the new ECOboost engine might just turn the stang into a sports car,almost...  Reports say 305 hp and 300LBs of torque,thats better than the V6 and at a considerable weight savings! Add in the new front and rear suspension and I think once the handling gets dialed in it should make a formatable autoX car.

  1 thing I found interesting is that the exhaust manifold is cast right into the head,with a short collector pipe to the turbo. Not sure how keen I would be on that because it would make and mods rather difficult but ford claims it was flow tested. Some good things are the available larger GT brakes,forged rods and "special" coated pistons that get cooled by oil jets.... Tres cool...

 There is some talk that the new model is heavier... than the 14 by as much as 200 pounds but ford is being tight lipped about the true specs and use catch phrazes like makes more than xxx hp and xxx lbs of torque,strangely enough for the complete engine lineup in the stang.  Linelock and launch control come standard on the GT and they say it has 4 chassie modes that set many of the electronic controls to the drivers preference.

  I honestly have never considered buying a stang since the early 70's but I think I might take a test drive,at 25 grand or so seems like a pretty good value for the money. I've owned hondas for along time and I would really consider any other make but the new stang has caught my eye!



   

 i'd heard that this new chassis was supposed to get her down to the 3200# range.......