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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: earl1937 on June 13, 2014, 12:13:02 PM
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:frown: I discovered this game about 4 years ago, as best as this old mind can remember. I do remember meeting almost within an hour a man named "Oddcaf"!! Very nice guy and he took me under his wing and showed me some of the things about this game to cut down on learning curve. We decided, mostly him, decided to start a squad, the "Ronan" I think. Nothing was ever said about trying to get an advantage, we just took off as a squad and hunted the "red" dar bars, dove in and took some and gave some licks!
I was terribly disappoint last night in MA! I had ran 2 or 3 missions, then we got to talking about a high altitude, old time 8th AF mission on VOX, so again, I posted up the mission with about 7 bomber and 6 fighter pilots joining in. I announced to the fighters that the bombers would be at flight level 220 and proceeded to climb out, heading on purpose to a sector which was not in line with any base in it. Trying to throw off anyone's thinking when they saw the dar, yes, but the guys were all talking about something else.
A flight of 4 262's came straight to us, just like we had announced on the other countries channel vox, where we would be. Normally I run missions at 14K or less, with the bombers, to promote interception and fights and we generally all have a great time! But this time we decided to go to 22K and see what would happened. You know the rest of this story, we did manage to kill a couple of 262's, but they took down almost all of the bombers, including me.
I know guys, you are going to holler about the dar bars and etc, but it was pretty clear what had happened last night! What is wrong with playing the game the way it was designed, with honor and integrity? Is it so important to get your name in the "lights" that you discard your honesty and integrity?
I wish there was a good answer for this situation, but there isn't, but that is one thing that is hurting the game and losing players!
ET37
94th Bomb Group
"Devil Dogs"
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if someone gave up your mission...those are the same guys that cheat and are dishonest in "real" life too.
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Recommend remedial training for your escorts.
Wiley.
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Recommend remedial training for your escorts.
Wiley.
:aok
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I do believe that most of time when folks are making spy accusations, its really just defenders proactively watching dar and making good guesses on what you are up to. I do it a lot. Sometime it results in flying around finding nothing or at least nothing close to what I thought. Other times I happen upon a goon, mission, fighter sweep, etc that is pretty close to what I suspected.
No doubt once in awhile I'm sure someone has a shade account or outs a mission to the other side. The odd thing is that I've played a long time and it seems like when its our side that finds a mission, its usually clear from vox or country text chatter that they stumbled on it while on their way to do something else or someone had some suspicions due to a dar or a flashing base, etc.
I suppose spying happens but I figure if a player pays an extra $15 or goes out of his way to spy to gain an advantage in a silly game, he already lost. Spying was a big part of WWII so I just chalk it up to immersion and go about my fun.
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Earl, I have found that there are definietly those who will give away positions. In a rolling tank battle for a base, someone upped behind 5 or 6 of us, and was firing at us. We thought, at first, it was just a noob, then, as we were getting picked off very accurately and quickly, we figured out that the "noob" was a cheater, giving away our ranges and positions to the defenders. It was absolutely intentional, and he disappeared quickly when we started announcing the spy. Many times, experienced pilots can pick up on the travel of dar bars, but yes, Earl, there are those in this game with no integrity. Those people are surely like that in real life, thinking that as long as they get what they want, i.e. rank, perks, whatever, it's ok. They should all be lined up and summarily executed.
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I know guys, you are going to holler about the dar bars and etc, but it was pretty clear what had happened last night! What is wrong with playing the game the way it was designed, with honor and integrity? Is it so important to get your name in the "lights" that you discard your honesty and integrity?
I wish there was a good answer for this situation, but there isn't, but that is one thing that is hurting the game and losing players!
To be blunt, "the thing" hurting the game is baseless accusations.
How can you be so certain cheating/spying/lame behavior is involved? Apologies for sounding harsh, but you can't prove it was anything but good map reading.
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To be blunt, "the thing" hurting the game is baseless accusations.
How can you be so certain cheating/spying/lame behavior is involved? Apologies for sounding harsh, but you can't prove it was anything but good map reading.
:airplane: When you watch them come through two friendly dars straight at us, what are we supposed to think?
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i know you mentioned dar bar's------a large dar bar is a dead giveaway....
we knights don't really mind if our radar is takin out..because all we or any country have to do is look for the dar bar.but your situation last night was most unfortunit..but it happens.
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:airplane: When you watch them come through two friendly dars straight at us, what are we supposed to think?
Thoughts do not equate to evidence. Lack of evidence leads to conjecture, and this leads to further baseless accusations.
This is the path to the dark side.
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To be blunt, "the thing" hurting the game is baseless accusations.
How can you be so certain cheating/spying/lame behavior is involved? Apologies for sounding harsh, but you can't prove it was anything but good map reading.
Amen.
:airplane: When you watch them come through two friendly dars straight at us, what are we supposed to think?
The exact same thing we are thinking as we watch you fly through two sectors - It's about to get hot.
DarBar - check it out.
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To be blunt, "the thing" hurting the game is baseless accusations.
How can you be so certain cheating/spying/lame behavior is involved? Apologies for sounding harsh, but you can't prove it was anything but good map reading.
You really cant. But sometimes you got to go with your gut. I had an incident in a gv where I know that my position was given away. It took three times for a jeep of my own country to get close to me before it occurred to me what was happening. I never called anyone on it or discussed it with anyone. It didn't matter, its a game. I can easily see how it can be taken personal though. But it does happen.
Ive too seen a player up with me off a CV only for the same player to blow me and the CV up ten minutes later.
I used to get all hot headed and mad over stuff but anymore I chalk it up to immaturity.
Cremator
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As all your buffs got shot down you know who the 4 262 pilots are. PM them and ask how they spotted you. They may tell you and you can learn from it. At the worst you'll get some BS answer and be no worst off.
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some folks just dont have honor at all. some well known bishops hopped on rooks and took a bish strat base so that their strats move to the back. a few rooks jumped over to bish and righted the underhandedness. the next day, i see two bish names attacking the same bish strat base. i called em out, and soon all rooks were calling them out and the two bish cheaters decided not to take it. its things like this that really get me. people will do absolutely anything for what they want. it doesnt matter how low down it is.
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More than once our squad has purposely taken back one of our bases to push our own strats back to the front. It always causes howling but its our base, they can't have it. If the strats being up front causes strat attacks, great, some more stuff to shoot at :D
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It's extremly dissappointing when I see 'spies" or "cheats" or "shades" thrown around when you get a mission busted. It just recently happened to me, i didn't bother to respond. i would have told him exactly what had happened and how I knew where he was, but he did not ask. In that case it was very simple, he flew near my CV. The same CV his 5 buddies had flown near earlier, as they were inbound their target, and that's where I set up to intercept their mission.
Maybe, possibly there are times when you been simply outsmarted and you might learn from it ............................. or you could choose to believe there is a conspircy everywhere, your choice.
How does this relate? Maybe it is not honorable to call someone out for an activity that you are at best guessing he may have participated in.
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wait....what.. :headscratch:
Honor....in a game....
no way say it aint so....
people have been saying there is no such thing in this game......
and actually talk down to those who think Honor is a must.
the thing with people who know Honor, is they cant turn it off....it is in their blood.
and those who have no Honor have NO concept about it, it is as foreign to them as speaking Japanese is to me.
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the thing with people who know Honor, is they cant turn it off....it is in their blood.
This. It doesn't matter that it is a game. It is just another part of life...and choosing to live it a certain way. A good friend of mine here...you all know him - 'Hammer' a special forces veteran among other real life military honors...told me upon retirement from JG11, and AH, that he always thought integrity, honor and leadership in a game were a bit trite...
...he said I changed his mind.
That's top shelf for me...and one I cherish.
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This. It doesn't matter that it is a game. It is just another part of life...and choosing to live it a certain way. A good friend of mine here...you all know him - 'Hammer' a special forces veteran among other real life military honors...told me upon retirement from JG11, and AH, that he always thought integrity, honor and leadership in a game were a bit trite...
...he said I changed his mind.
That's top shelf for me...and one I cherish.
:salute
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Thoughts do not equate to evidence. Lack of evidence leads to conjecture, and this leads to further baseless accusations.
This is the path to the dark side.
That's some great sig material there. :aok
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I remember OddCaf. A very good Mossie stick who taught me a lot what the plane was capable of without bombs and rockets on it.
Last night I had a bad connection so by the time I was able to get near the bombers in my K4 the mission was all but over and I couldnt help other then to drag as many fighters down as I could..
No question some NOE missions weve been on have been busted dishonorably Earl. Im not as sure of the high bomber missions. Boy you were at 22K last night when I took off and still I was able to almost make it to you in a K4. A big dar is always noticed ; its something Im always looking for. I just dont know where to stand on this anymore. I know it happens but how do you tell? I know there are guys ALWAYS watching for dar and whom play clean.
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Some people cheat their way through life. They cheat on tests in school. Cheat on girlfriends/boyfriends then graduate to cheating on wives/husbands. They cheat on taxes and many times shortchange their own kids. Life becomes one big game, but once YOU realized the game is rigged and let go, they lose...game over.
I say lets all get two AH accounts so we can watch and spy on each other. High Tech obviously knows players are doing this and he is making money from this dishonest activity. Better yet, lets demand High tech take the HIGH road and put an end to this practice of shade accounts. Or we can ask HT to let all the sides see one another at all times. You know, like they they do in the horrible arcade games, that have no real future...
Perhaps, we just need a game with INTEGRITY.
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PM them and ask how they spotted you.
This.
Every once in a while someoe will not sling mud by instinct but ask me "how did you do that". I have always been happy to answer question like these, sometime to great detail. There's nothing to hide, but much to learn.
A few weeks ago i had this in my inbox:
Hey snailman, was I showing up on dar(maybe a cv?), or did you just happen to cross my path last night?
(he was going NOE and suddenly found my F4U coming out of nowhere going directly for his Lancs)
And this is the answer I sent:
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:)
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I know there are guys ALWAYS watching for dar and whom play clean.
Exactly. A guy like 'Zoney' who really enjoys the hunt is a perfect example. The whole squad can be engaged down in the weeds and Zoney comes across vox with a transmission about dar...5 sectors away that just popped up. Off he goes...and sure enough...20 minutes later...he comes across vox again..."3 sets of 17's at 28K H 090, I'm in..."
Never fails. The clipboard is a tool. Some guys use it to different degrees than others...
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Thoughts do not equate to evidence. Lack of evidence leads to conjecture, and this leads to further baseless accusations.
This is the path to the dark side.
Absolute, logical, truth was dear to Sherlock Holmes. In AH conjecture maybe as near to the truth as you can get.
To say there isn't any form of spying or cheating is an equal conjecture albeit less evident.
There will always be some small number of people trying to get an edge for some obtuse personal reason.
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I was one of those b17's in that mission and seeing 4 to 6 262's crossing two sectors of friendly active dar on a vector straight at us, already at altitude, is a sure sign of a shade account being used. I got one of them!
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"Is honor all gone?"
Yes. Some people are looking to up bombers and attack defenseless buildings instead of actually engaging in air or ground combat. Shameful! :devil
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Absolute, logical, truth was dear to Sherlock Holmes. In AH conjecture maybe as near to the truth as you can get.
To say there isn't any form of spying or cheating is an equal conjecture albeit less evident.
There will always be some small number of people trying to get an edge for some obtuse personal reason.
NOE missions aside, regardless of how they came to be there what does it matter if your mission meets resistance? If your mission's only chance for success is for the enemy not to show up, there is a flaw in your mission plan.
Wiley.
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NOE missions aside, regardless of how they came to be there what does it matter if your mission meets resistance? If your mission's only chance for success is for the enemy not to show up, there is a flaw in your mission plan.
Wiley.
One of the missions Earl ran was an NOE.
You point on mission planning is a good one.
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wait....what.. :headscratch:
Honor....in a game....
no way say it aint so....
people have been saying there is no such thing in this game......
and actually talk down to those who think Honor is a must.
the thing with people who know Honor, is they cant turn it off....it is in their blood.
and those who have no Honor have NO concept about it, it is as foreign to them as speaking Japanese is to me.
This is an ABSOLUTE TRUTH. It is incontrovertible and undeniable. -S- Ink!
What bothers me the most about this thread is those who continuously say it doesn't happen. While maybe not every flight of buffs that goes down or every cv that is found is because of "spiez", to always, ALWAYS respond that it doesn't happen is, frankly, disingenuous. I have observed, as mentioned an instance that without a doubt was someone from an opposing side trying to gain an unfair advantage. In my book, it's called CHEATING. People cheat, to say it doesn't happen here is foolish.
Thinking about it, please folks, don't take this comment to say that there aren't people who use all the tools, I try to. What I'm saying is don't deny that it happens.
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This is an ABSOLUTE TRUTH. It is incontrovertible and undeniable. -S- Ink!
What bothers me the most about this thread is those who continuously say it doesn't happen. While maybe not every flight of buffs that goes down or every cv that is found is because of "spiez", to always, ALWAYS respond that it doesn't happen is, frankly, disingenuous. I have observed, as mentioned an instance that without a doubt was someone from an opposing side trying to gain an unfair advantage. In my book, it's called CHEATING. People cheat, to say it doesn't happen here is foolish.
:salute
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I've been in missions where you had high bombers or NOE missions, and someone sees a group of enemies coming to intercept the mission, always assuming someone ratted the mission or has a shade account. When in reality, someone popped dar or simply looked at the map to see the 1-2 sector darbar. It's kind of surprising how many couldn't fly NOE, about 2-3 players augered at every NOE mission I ever participated in. As for high bombers, well, I was almost always a gunner. :D
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Players shading for info? Yes. Anywhere near as often as that accusation shows up? No.
A player with a little experience can come up with 3 or 4 good guesses on what the plan is when there is a dar bar away from the front. Watch it cross a sector or two, combine that with your best guess and you can interrupt someone's plans.
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a mission that's showing a large bar got attacked? :eek:
having combat with people who are avoiding combat in a combat game is now dishonorable?
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Earl I got curious who these guys were so I looked at the stats. They don't show you having any bomber deaths by 262. You've died twice this month to 262s once in a C-47 and once in a P-38L.
Is P-38 what you meant by upping bombers?
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I would say that the whole "spies" thing is a topic that needs no more attention. For all the crap those opposed to the 12 hour rule took from the forum cheerleaders, at least that issue COULD be changed or altered, affected to some degree by change. This whole spying/2nd accounts thing: Unless HTC has found a way to eliminate people using a name of a friend, wife, gf, or even just a made up one with a prepaid credit card, and VPN personal network IP hiders, there is NO possible way for HTC to stop people from creating 2nd accounts and using them. I agree, it's a dishonest, gamey, dishonorable, and perhaps even the "C word which shall not be named here, gasp", but it is truly impossible to control or stop. Making statements that you dislike and disagree with 2nd accounts/spying/whatever - well, I'm sure most people already know how the regular correspondents of the issue feel.
I'm also of the opinion that often it's just good players using the tools of the game, experience, and even instinct that finds and spoils bomber raids, and that often the "spies" calls are a cry-wolf sort of deal. I'm not saying it never happens, we all know that it does with a certainty. I'm just of the opinion that it isn't as regular a thing, or as large a problem as all that. I respect the OP, and understand his frustration, but unfortunately there isn't much, if anything, that can be done about the issue. Bearing that in mind, understand that there is a huge likelyhood that bomber missions will be always rapidly discovered, through honest and sometimes "dishonest" methods, and prepare yourself accordingly by either getting more escorts, or becoming more like 999000 when it comes to pew pew pew'ing with the bombers defensive guns.
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If enemy icons showed call signs, 999000 would have to change his name every week to get cons to attack him :D
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If enemy icons showed call signs, 999000 would have to change his name every week to get cons to attack him :D
Contrary for sure. Only a pillow biter runs from a training opportunity like that. I'd have the boys glued to him. No other buffs would ever be safe again after that.
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More than once our squad has purposely taken back one of our bases to push our own strats back to the front. It always causes howling but its our base, they can't have it. If the strats being up front causes strat attacks, great, some more stuff to shoot at :D
And you're proud of that?
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You don't need two accounts to "spy". Squad channel crosses county lines. Hell, I can PM anyone in any other arena if I want to.
As to the OP's accusations name names. How can we have a good witch hunt without names?
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Earl I got curious who these guys were so I looked at the stats. They don't show you having any bomber deaths by 262. You've died twice this month to 262s once in a C-47 and once in a P-38L.
Is P-38 what you meant by upping bombers?
Romulans?
That's funny. Everybody funny. Now Earl funny too.
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Honor? Tom Brady is your man..
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As all your buffs got shot down you know who the 4 262 pilots are. PM them and ask how they spotted you. They may tell you and you can learn from it. At the worst you'll get some BS answer and be no worst off.
Followed the dar bar real simple.
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And you're proud of that?
Proud? Not sure thats the right description. Its just is the way it is. The idea is to fight. Leaving our land in enemy hands in hopes they quit attacking the strats seems silly. I might have family on that island.
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ET I was on bish side and that big dar bar was all that bish could talk about. :salute
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BUSHlt1- ET I was on bish side and that big dar bar was all that bish could talk about. salute
BUSHLT1, how is it the 4 262 at alt flew a straight line over two friendly dar rings like they had ATC telling them where to meet that traffic? Thats right, they did have a shade account showing them the way! The dar bar argument would not not show us on a heading or altitude. Our flight was nowhere near a direct line with any base and not over water for a eny cv to see us. Our flight was inbound to a IP point the was parallel to the target. Big darbar argument can be great for some explanations, but not this time. I have over 13 years playing this game and 20 years military ATC experience. The 262's like Jazzi in that mission knew right where to go because they had a shade account!
So I will up my Shade account today and hope HTC does something about this and announce flakhapppy, and Jazzi whereabouts on 200 at all times. Or maybe, just let our squad start hunting them. Then again, I don't need a new shade account. Let start identifying those who do.
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They are everywhere....honorless scum...they don't fight fair...it is..the end...of EVERYTHING!!!!
:lol :) :lol :rofl
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Romulans?
That's funny. Everybody funny. Now Earl funny too.
And out the do' I went...
The number of times I've rumbled big raids by heading towards dar bars, found goons by simply going where I'd go if I were the goon...
Bond, Scherf Bond.
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:frown: I discovered this game about 4 years ago, as best as this old mind can remember. I do remember meeting almost within an hour a man named "Oddcaf"!! Very nice guy and he took me under his wing and showed me some of the things about this game to cut down on learning curve. We decided, mostly him, decided to start a squad, the "Ronan" I think. Nothing was ever said about trying to get an advantage, we just took off as a squad and hunted the "red" dar bars, dove in and took some and gave some licks!
I was terribly disappoint last night in MA! I had ran 2 or 3 missions, then we got to talking about a high altitude, old time 8th AF mission on VOX, so again, I posted up the mission with about 7 bomber and 6 fighter pilots joining in. I announced to the fighters that the bombers would be at flight level 220 and proceeded to climb out, heading on purpose to a sector which was not in line with any base in it. Trying to throw off anyone's thinking when they saw the dar, yes, but the guys were all talking about something else.
A flight of 4 262's came straight to us, just like we had announced on the other countries channel vox, where we would be. Normally I run missions at 14K or less, with the bombers, to promote interception and fights and we generally all have a great time! But this time we decided to go to 22K and see what would happened. You know the rest of this story, we did manage to kill a couple of 262's, but they took down almost all of the bombers, including me.
I know guys, you are going to holler about the dar bars and etc, but it was pretty clear what had happened last night! What is wrong with playing the game the way it was designed, with honor and integrity? Is it so important to get your name in the "lights" that you discard your honesty and integrity?
I wish there was a good answer for this situation, but there isn't, but that is one thing that is hurting the game and losing players!
ET37
94th Bomb Group
"Devil Dogs"
this is what I saw on your mission:
-first, there was an attempt at a near base the town was white flaged and a bunched of us upped ready to defend it. we saw the large dar growing. including the cv we had nearby we all easily found out that the other base was gonna be the target.
-second mistake was that you guys had a fighter about 10 minutes in front of your bomber group. we saw him on dar.
-3rd your fighter escort made a 1/2 attemp to actually escort you guys.
-4th perhaps the 262 were already in the air to head to the first furball. about 15 or 20 of us augered from the first furball to stop you guys.
-I killed the goon just because he was on dar for about 2 seconds then disappeared.
sometimes spies are just a bunch of drunk guys that actually look at the dar and say "hey look, a bunch of red cons, let's bail out and kill them".
semp
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BUSHLT1, how is it the 4 262 at alt flew a straight line over two friendly dar rings like they had ATC telling them where to meet that traffic? Thats right, they did have a shade account showing them the way! The dar bar argument would not not show us on a heading or altitude. Our flight was nowhere near a direct line with any base and not over water for a eny cv to see us. Our flight was inbound to a IP point the was parallel to the target. Big darbar argument can be great for some explanations, but not this time. I have over 13 years playing this game and 20 years military ATC experience. The 262's like Jazzi in that mission knew right where to go because they had a shade account!
First of all were the two friendly dar rings they flew over on the way to the sector with the (supposed) big darbar in it? If so and they were hunting that darbar why would they divert en route?
Secondly maybe they spotted your dots before you spotted theirs. If that's the case would you expect them to be on anything other than a straight line toward you when you finally spotted them?
I wasn't there and I don't condone spying but the problem I see with players today is it's always some nefarious act by someone else so it's never their fault. That way you get to retain the illusion of your own greatness in the game whether it's true or not (but the ones it's true for never start these types of posts or make these types of accusations).
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I have over 13 years playing this game and 20 years military ATC experience.
:lol :banana:
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BUSHLT1, how is it the 4 262 at alt flew a straight line over two friendly dar rings like they had ATC telling them where to meet that traffic? Thats right, they did have a shade account showing them the way! I have over 13 years playing this game and 20 years military ATC experience. The 262's like Jazzi in that mission knew right where to go because they had a shade account!
So I will up my Shade account today and hope HTC does something about this and announce flakhapppy, and Jazzi whereabouts on 200 at all times. Or maybe, just let our squad start hunting them. Then again, I don't need a new shade account. Let start identifying those who do.
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BUSHLT1, how is it the 4 262 at alt flew a straight line over two friendly dar rings like they had ATC telling them where to meet that traffic? Thats right, they did have a shade account showing them the way! The dar bar argument would not not show us on a heading or altitude. Our flight was nowhere near a direct line with any base and not over water for a eny cv to see us. Our flight was inbound to a IP point the was parallel to the target. Big darbar argument can be great for some explanations, but not this time. I have over 13 years playing this game and 20 years military ATC experience. The 262's like Jazzi in that mission knew right where to go because they had a shade account!
So I will up my Shade account today and hope HTC does something about this and announce flakhapppy, and Jazzi whereabouts on 200 at all times. Or maybe, just let our squad start hunting them. Then again, I don't need a new shade account. Let start identifying those who do.
Just send your proof to HTC since you wouldn't honorably make accusations without proof.
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What's more boring than dogfighting in a 262? Dogfighting against bombers in a 262.
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What's more boring than dogfighting in a 262? Dogfighting against bombers in a 262.
hmmm
ask Latrobe, how fun a 262 vs 190D turnfight can be.
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Next time you have a bomber mission have a long range fighter escort of P51s
Spies getting owned is awesome
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Well ya know man, just like in real war, there were spies. I think it is important to remember that it's almost impossible to be strategic when you call out to to the ones who shouldn't be called for.. Even when you think you are talking to your own country. That being said, bomber missions, just like real war, should have escorts. If you are going to make it a "mission" you need to yell on country channel and get people interested. Even if there is a retaliation, your hoard should be too strong to stop it. Alt has a lot of power too, especially for bombers. The type of bombers you choose is also important for the type of dangers you may face..
don't let it bother you man, you just got spoofed,
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Fulcrum playing the flamebait thingy - you love that, dont you? :ahand
Gard being a butthurt as usually when he cannot run away :ahand
This thread is getting AWESOME quickly
By the way, there is honor even in a cartoon game. Some think the same and they are the ones i like to play with/against.
The rest is just... what is it, Mr Vaughan? Scum?
:rofl
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Fulcrum playing the flamebait thingy - you love that, dont you? :ahand
Gard being a butthurt as usually when he cannot run away :ahand
This thread is getting AWESOME quickly
By the way, there is honor even in a cartoon game. Some think the same and they are the ones i like to play with/against.
The rest is just... what is it, Mr Vaughan? Scum?
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:salute To you sir, we have met serveral times in the skies of AH and it is about 10 to 1, your favor! I am just trying to raise a point about playing a game the same way that a person plays real life....I guess I am a dummy, but looks to me like if I want to maintain my self respect, when I look in that mirror during shaving, that I have done everything in my power to protect my integrity as a person as I live my life! I don't put that aside when I play a game just to gain an upper hand in battle. I to, observe large dar bars and go to investigate, just like everyone else, but I never find a large bomber formation, like everybody does when I am in the game and running missions. I realize that Hi Tech built this game on stick and rudder aerial combat and the game has been successful in obtaining people whom enjoy that kind of combat. But some of us old guys, with bad eyes and reflex's have to stick with bombers just to enjoy the game. While I don't have an answer for something like we are discussing, I would remind everyone to obey God's number 1 rule and that is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you!
There are many, many honorable people who play this game and for that experience for me, it has enriched my life for having known those guys!
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I wish a 262 would come at me while I'm in a bomber :t. After all, I have them out numbered 3 to 1 right off the bat. For me, the opportunity to take out a 262 is more rewarding than any ground target I could bomb by far. I'm more than happy to drain the perk points from some kid that thinks he's smart by "spying". I say bring it on :ahand
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Earl,
to be honest, im an a-hole in-game just like in real life. Young, cocky, disrespectful - just a tard. Exuse me for this. But always tryed to give back what i got - that helps me with my inner peace. Many hate me for this but there are quite a few people i can get along well, doesnt matter if they are flying a fighter or a bomber.
:salute
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Spiez happen. The MA has those who do it to be sure.... But not as often as some think. I think it more likely semp's post explained everything.
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one word : darbar
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. I to, observe large dar bars and go to investigate, just like everyone else, but I never find a large bomber formation,
I have many times. it requires an ability to read the map.
direction and size can be figured out when it crosses sector boundaries.
learn to interpret bar dar and you too can be called a spy.
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Earl,
to be honest, im an a-hole in-game just like in real life. Young, cocky, disrespectful - just a tard. Exuse me for this. But always tryed to give back what i got - that helps me with my inner peace. Many hate me for this but there are quite a few people i can get along well, doesnt matter if they are flying a fighter or a bomber.
:salute
Its all true :old:
I love you in a manly way :)
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Fulcrum playing the flamebait thingy - you love that, dont you? poor baby
Gard being a butthurt as usually when he cannot run away poor baby
This thread is getting AWESOME quickly
By the way, there is honor even in a cartoon game. Some think the same and they are the ones i like to play with/against.
The rest is just... what is it, Mr Vaughan? Scum?
Hey Debrody,
Its players like you that give this board and game a bad name. I just looked at my pony usage for the last couple of tours and I didn't find that I got my "butthurt" or "ran away". And son, before you call a person that has been in real combat "poor bady". You should ask yourself who your talking too LITTLE BOY. You don't impress me.
Late War Tour 172 Statistics for Gard06
Kills Deaths
Model Type P-51D
Kills In 98
Kills Of 6
Killed By 1
Died In 31
Late War Tour 171 Statistics for Gard06
Kills Deaths
Model Type P-51D
Kills In 99
Kills Of 10
Killed By 5
Died In 40
Late War Tour 170 Statistics for Gard06
Kills Deaths
Model Type P-50D
Kills In 80
Kills Of 12
Killed By 7
Died In 25
A co 1/58 Aviation 18th Airborne
Hunter Army Airfield.
debaby, where did you serve? didn't think so... punk!
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You have a K/D of 3-4 in a pony? Good job man! Now its really impressive! Awesome! Would you teach me how to get this great score, please?
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(http://iraborjustin.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/keyboardwarriors.jpg)
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Fulcrum playing the flamebait thingy - you love that, dont you? poor baby
Gard being a butthurt as usually when he cannot run away poor baby
This thread is getting AWESOME quickly
By the way, there is honor even in a cartoon game. Some think the same and they are the ones i like to play with/against.
The rest is just... what is it, Mr Vaughan? Scum?
Hey Debrody,
Its players like you that give this board and game a bad name. I just looked at my pony usage for the last couple of tours and I didn't find that I got my "butthurt" or "ran away". And son, before you call a person that has been in real combat "poor bady". You should ask yourself who your talking too LITTLE BOY. You don't impress me.
Late War Tour 172 Statistics for Gard06
Kills Deaths
Model Type P-51D
Kills In 98
Kills Of 6
Killed By 1
Died In 31
Late War Tour 171 Statistics for Gard06
Kills Deaths
Model Type P-51D
Kills In 99
Kills Of 10
Killed By 5
Died In 40
Late War Tour 170 Statistics for Gard06
Kills Deaths
Model Type P-50D
Kills In 80
Kills Of 12
Killed By 7
Died In 25
A co 1/58 Aviation 18th Airborne
Hunter Army Airfield.
debaby, where did you serve? didn't think so... punk!
If you think that kind of MA stats are enough to qualify you as "good", you are badly mistaken. Nothing good will come out of focusing on your K/D.
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I was simply saying that I don't run away in my PONY. Unlike the French are known for.
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Unlike the French are know for, I was simply saying that I don't run away in my PONY.
I'm not saying it's true or untrue, but you can't see something like that from killstats at all.
Unlike the French are known for.
You really think you make yourself look good and be taken serious when posting BS like that?
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I was simply saying that I don't run away in my PONY. Unlike the French are known for.
Best to ignore them. I do! :aok
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Some folks forget how the French saved our arse from the British on the beaches of Yorktown in 1776.
Then there was the French Resistance who were instrumental in kicking the Nazis out of France. Their courage and fearlessness is legendary to this day.
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See Rule #4
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Earl :salute
Loose lips sinks ships!
Never use country channel for comms. After the mission has enough players only use mission channel, (but if you have a spy IN your mission nothing helps). If possible change starting location and other mission parameters just before launch. If you have enough players to spare send a decoy flight of fighters according to the original mission plan to emulate the strike package and lure the enemy interceptors into a trap.
Just a few ideas...
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See Rule #4
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You're full of it as a Christmas goose but you are funny. :rofl
He ain't even that. It's just a cut & paste from a satirical wikipedia parody site.
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See Rule #2
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I think you are trying too hard at being witty ;)
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See Rule #4
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He ain't even that. It's just a cut & paste from a satirical wikipedia parody site.
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/jon-popcorn_zps03f25851.gif) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/TheAmish/media/jon-popcorn_zps03f25851.gif.html)
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See Rules #2, #4
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Lusche is awesome. :aok
Now step away from the keyboard before you hurt yourself. Further.
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Sorry but I'm going full Arlo with this one
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/this-is-gonna-be-good.gif) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/TheAmish/media/this-is-gonna-be-good.gif.html)
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I guess I hit a nerve there :lol
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:salute much respect et37
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See Rules #2, #4
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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Good thing Mighty Cutandpaste Man took it seriously and looked it up.
Oh, and IN b'fo da lock.
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Which is why such a universal set of military vocabulary in practically all European languages comes from French
End sortie. ;)
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End sortie. ;)
Classic
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http://vimeo.com/89394659
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Well done Gard, that rant was awesome :aok
And yessir, you're known amongst the knits as a runaway pony flyer - having a K/D of 4+ just proves it even more, for some unknown reason :lol
Funny.
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I'll come clean, I'm tired of this thread. I've been playing on and off for several years and I got a shade.
But it goes away at night.... :uhoh
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in regard to spies .. it does happen, we all know it happens…
I was flying away happily one night when I get a PM from a guy on the Bish side saying that one of his squad mates was over on Rook giving all our cv positions away :P
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Well done Gard, that rant was awesome :aok
And yessir, you're known amongst the knits as a runaway pony flyer - having a K/D of 4+ just proves it even more, for some unknown reason :lol
Funny.
The word runaway is superfluous when describing pony flyers. :D
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The word runaway is superfluous when describing pony flyers. :D
Almost, but see how BigR is flying :)
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Gard..
Hoisted on his own petard. :rofl
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I guess I don't understand. You presented a dar and people came to it. One thing I've done is caught people on the edge of cv radar. In small waters like on last nights map it happens quite a bit.
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Back on the subject, I caught up with a climbing AFK FW190. Rather than shooting him down I flew right alonside him as a 'wink' for about 5 minutes. He ended that by a lightning fast break into me ripping my wing off with 2 pings. :lol
I love catching afk fighters. I usually close to just a few feet behind them and form up for awhile. When they seem "manned" again I let 'em have it. Even better when I get an angry rant pm from someone who takes things way too seriously. I have sat down to the computer so many times and put the headset on only to hear the tink tink tink announcement that I will soon be in the tower. I just laugh and up another one.
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As Shawk once pointed out, AFK stands for "A Free Kill". I've never given anyone grief for killing me when I'm away, nor have I ever hesitated to kill someone who is clearly AFK and flying. I draw the line if the plane is wheels down. I don't shoot planes on the rearm pad.... Just seems rude to me.... I know I know... Im splitting hairs..
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I don't shoot planes on the rearm pad...
I go great lenghts to do exactly that, especially when the hangars are up at that base... :devil
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I go great lenghts to do exactly that, especially when the hangars are up at that base... :devil
Honorless swine! :old: ;)
:lol
If that doesn't underline that everyone's interpretation of "honor" varies I don't know what will....
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I go great lenghts to do exactly that, especially when the hangars are up at that base... :devil
you are a dweeb., honorable men only so it with rockets: )
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I give warning shots if it looks like the bandit doesn't know I'm there. If he still doesn't respond, yeah I shoot him.
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I would suggest switching up the vox channel # that the DDs always use, or better yet use the mission vox channel. Often when I join a DD mission, including last night, I see shade accounts on the vox channel used.
<S> - Hetzer
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I give warning shots if it looks like the bandit doesn't know I'm there. If he still doesn't respond, yeah I shoot him.
So do I. Usually the first warning shot enters the rudder and moves forward from there. :cheers:
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Honor is indeed all gone.
There's just no room for it when the only thing that matters is the numbers. Because numbers do not lie. Evar.
:old:
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Triton, some will play for numbers and others for some sort of aerial knight code. Who cares? Play the way you want to. I lean toward the code but certainly get great satisfaction from doing things some of you noble knights of the air frown upon. I once laughed for at least ten minutes after catching a horde forming up on a runway at a base i was going to pork. Too bad I got greedy and didn't get to land those many rocket and bomb vulch kills. I'm smiling just thinking of that day.
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Honor, the refuge of the incompetent thief. :old:
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I give warning shots if it looks like the bandit doesn't know I'm there.
"You missed him!" :bhead
- "No, uhm...errr... :uhoh that... emmm... was a warning shot. Yes, a warning shot!" :old:
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"warning shots" :rofl
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I have formed up with AFK guys on occasion when I was feeling silly and given them a chance to do something about it. After a minute or two I put them down. I don't feel it is his right to get a free pass to 25k over our territory just because he's AFK though.
Wiley.
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All this talk of morality and honor. Well I honor my moral imperative to teach people to pay attention to what they're doing. :cheers:
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(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldcbt8tjtE1qb0saf.gif)
:lol
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Thanks Fulcrum for summing up how I feel about a bunch of middle-aged Armchair Richthofen's moralizing about their "honor" in a cartoon game. :rolleyes:
Here's an idea. The next time someone fails at defending a base, or dropping troops before the town pops, then they should just commit Seppuku. That would more than demonstrate their dedication to "honor". (Not to mention saving their "survivors" the $15 subscription cost. :D
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My pleasure. It was the "pragmatic" thing to do! :D :aok
:rofl
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Why are we being yelled at?
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Welcome back Squid-face, I always liked you.
Honor is a much too important concept to the richthofens you speak of define it in terms of "any tactic I don't like at this moment is dishonorable". Oh, and when I suggested actual formalized rules against the majority of "dishonorable" tactics complaints, it was completely rejected. :headscratch:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,362889.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,362889.0.html)
Thanks Fulcrum for summing up how I feel about a bunch of middle-aged Armchair Richthofen's moralizing about their "honor" in a cartoon game. :rolleyes:
Here's an idea. The next time someone fails at defending a base, or dropping troops before the town pops, then they should just commit Seppuku. That would more than demonstrate their dedication to "honor". (Not to mention saving their "survivors" the $15 subscription cost. :D
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I dunno....I'm kinda digging the idea of player Seppuku to uphold ˝honor˝. :D
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cKoicpk_DyE/UyIRy9bi_bI/AAAAAAAABX0/L2dnM59oWAo/s1600/zoidberg-seppuku-gif.gif)
:aok :lol
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This thread is making me want seafood now.
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The question of spying or ratting out missions is a matter of good sportsmanship and fair play, not honor. Honor is a silly concept when it comes to a internet game. Luckily the good sports far out weight the sleazy game play of the spying types. For that reason and the fact the spying really doesn't change the outcome of map resets or wars won, I tend to overlook the spies and just roll my eyes at their stupidity. These types do more harm to their names than they do to my game.
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Why are we being yelled at?
You're not being yelled at. I misplaced my reading glasses. :D
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They're on top of your head!
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You can say anything, let it be any rare, honor does exist, even in the MA. I hjave seen what i have seen, and telling you, it is the best this game can offer to run into someone who fights with honor - even if they usually kick my cartoon butt.
Denying it is a lame attempt to justificate that you have no honor at all - or a sign that you have never seen anyone worthy yet.
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War is Hell :devil
ET runs some good missions but this one was compromised lets say by some German female spy that slept with the some officer that gave up the mission plans. :ahand
You may have to change tactics to prevent these 262 attacks from being effective. Up from a base further from the front, get to a higher altitude say 30k and the 262s will have trouble at alt. This game is encouraging the hoard I guess as these smaller missions are quite risky.
Honor set sail a long time ago...
(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j435/patrick1gall/tuscan_sun_550w.jpg) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/patrick1gall/media/tuscan_sun_550w.jpg.html)
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You can say anything, let it be any rare, honor does exist, even in the MA. I hjave seen what i have seen, and telling you, it is the best this game can offer to run into someone who fights with honor - even if they usually kick my cartoon butt.
Denying it is a lame attempt to justificate that you have no honor at all - or a sign that you have never seen anyone worthy yet.
Hopefully HTC will hurry up with that much anticipated "honor meter" upgrade for all the cockpits. Then my PM's can be more precise... "Dude, that was the most amazing AND HONORABLE crossing shot I've ever seen! <S> "
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Hopefully HTC will hurry up with that much anticipated "honor meter" upgrade for all the cockpits. Then my PM's can be more precise... "Dude, that was the most amazing AND HONORABLE crossing shot I've ever seen! <S> "
<bald, pt=20> Are you this stupid? :rofl
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I operate a shade account under the name "TopHat". I'll use one of the Home Lan macs to up some G4Ms or a Zeke and put it on autopilot.
The I'll login in as myself on another computer and go shoot down "thuh emmaknee" I upped in step 1 above.
In all cases, I shoot down those shade drones HONORABLY - typically by flying slowly up their 6 and shredding them with a nice motorkanone :aok, then I honorably go onto this BBS and chest thump about it - and all the Supermodels I've, uh, "enjoyed" (with 45 degrees of loft).
But, damnit if Lusche didn't pull down my stats and show that 90% of my kills came against one dude who only flies G4Ms or Zekes. :uhoh
Anyway, I'm calling him out for his dishonorable conduct.
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<bald, pt=20> Are you this stupid? :rofl
It's a possibility. When I took the Stanford-Binet test years ago they said I scored within the top .25%. Maybe they really meant the bottom. What the Hell, I'm adaptable...You want fries with that?
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This has gone off the rails.