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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bigsky on July 26, 2014, 09:57:25 AM
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steal all of it
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Punching his lights out for the "I just got outta bed" hairdo and the tie would would be a good start since he obviously has no self respect. Then start with the Command Wings (can't tell what kind) that he obviously hasn't been alive long enough to earn and work down from there. Truly the lowest form of scum who thinks nothing of dishonoring those who volunteer and sacrifice.
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The video circulating of the "SF/82nd Airborne/MP" being outed at a funeral by two Marines is a good one as well. The lengths some go to.
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I had no idea the US Air Force issued Expert Combat Infantry Badges. For that matter, they even had infantry units. Shocking! And a pilot that also earned his Airborne jump status. Did he earn those blood wings?
I hope homeboy got slapped around just a bit. Then charged by a Federal prosecutor, though he shouldn't go to jail. Having this trash on his permanent record should be good enough.
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I had no idea the US Air Force issued Expert Combat Infantry Badges. For that matter, they even had infantry units. Shocking! And a pilot that also earned his Airborne jump status. Did he earn those blood wings?
I hope homeboy got slapped around just a bit. Then charged by a Federal prosecutor, though he shouldn't go to jail. Having this trash on his permanent record should be good enough.
It doesn't look like they are pilot wings, no "radiator" in the middle. Years ago, the USAF started allowing pretty much anyone who rode on an aircraft to have wings of some sort. The distinguishing type was indicated by the center section design.
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I had no idea the US Air Force issued Expert Combat Infantry Badges. For that matter, they even had infantry units. Shocking! And a pilot that also earned his Airborne jump status. Did he earn those blood wings?
I hope homeboy got slapped around just a bit. Then charged by a Federal prosecutor, though he shouldn't go to jail. Having this trash on his permanent record should be good enough.
No such thing as an Expert CIB. That is simply a third award of the CIB --- which this guy isn't close to old enough to have been awarded.
I went to jump school with an O-2 pilot so for whatever reason sometimes Air Force pilots do get jump wings.
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I went to jump school with an O-2 pilot so for whatever reason sometimes Air Force pilots do get jump wings.
He might have been an ALO or going to be one.
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or make it simple.....Ask him for the Silver Star citation.
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The video circulating of the "SF/82nd Airborne/MP" being outed at a funeral by two Marines is a good one as well. The lengths some go to.
A Navy Vet I work with just told me about that one yesterday. :rolleyes:
This one upsets me even more. Purple Heart and Combat Infantry Badge pisses me off the most.
Dishonering the USAF uniform runs a very close second. What a starved for attention little dill hole. :mad:
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No such thing as an Expert CIB. That is simply a third award of the CIB --- which this guy isn't close to old enough to have been awarded.
I went to jump school with an O-2 pilot so for whatever reason sometimes Air Force pilots do get jump wings.
There are a select few "Joint" Airmen that earn jump wings. They are regular AF (AD) selected to work with special forces. When I worked for AIA, I worked with 2 such enlisted guys that had operational experience.
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FTR - the idiot in the OP's post is from an old incident. He was berated much.
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What, no DFC. Must be one of those REMF.
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Mark Berent, author of the Rolling Thunder series, x F4 pilot and a pile of other accomplishments had jump wings he earned while on some sort of exchange with the Special Forces in Germany in the mid 60's. So, I know it IS possible for pilots, at least back then, to rate jump wings and wear them on an AF uniform, as he did. This guy in the OP though - see the Purple heart x whatever - sure pal. And a Presidential Unit Citation just squashed in the middle of a bunch of other ribbons...
edit - I googled it, and found this picture of Berent - jump wings at the bottom I believe, but I'm no expert for sure on American stuff.
His decorations include the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Distinguished Flying Cross with one oak leaf cluster, Bronze Star, Air Medal with twenty-four oak leaf clusters, Vietnam Cross of Gallantry, Cambodian Divisional Medal, and numerous Vietnam Campaign ribbons. He also earned US Special Forces and Cambodian jump wings
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I just don't understand these guys. Here in Canada for people who have NOT served, but had a parent/grandparent/etc serve and have passed on, they are allowed to wear their 2nd World War and Korean medals on a black suit jacket, on the opposite side of where it is properly worn, as a sign of respect, as well without wearing any head dress at all, to show that they aren't a vet themselves. Nothing like what the OP tard is up to, but I have seen this done in Canada properly on rare occasion during Remembrance day or funerals.
I understand that in Australia and NZ this is common as well, on Remembrance day/vets day to wear ancestors medals on the right side, it even has an official term IIRC called "passing the Anzac torch" or something similar.
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Personally I have mixed feelings about this, I have both grandfathers WW2 and one set of Korean medals, and I'd never wear them, even on the right side on Vets/Rem day, but if some want to honor their family in this way, I suppose it's ok on just one day and if done in the proper accepted way.
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In the OP's photo, ya almost HAVE to ask the guy if he is "Captain Obvious" and has additional ribbons and medals on his back.
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Where are his Star Fleet medals? :old:
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Lusche, that's actually not a bad idea - if you ever run into one of these guys, point at a random ribbon and ask him how he won his Christopher Pike medal of valor, and see what he comes up with.
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In the OP's photo, ya almost HAVE to ask the guy if he is "Captain Obvious" and has additional ribbons and medals on his back.
On his back??? :rofl :rofl
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I just don't understand these guys. Here in Canada for people who have NOT served, but had a parent/grandparent/etc serve and have passed on, they are allowed to wear their 2nd World War and Korean medals on a black suit jacket, on the opposite side of where it is properly worn, as a sign of respect, as well without wearing any head dress at all, to show that they aren't a vet themselves. Nothing like what the OP tard is up to, but I have seen this done in Canada properly on rare occasion during Remembrance day or funerals.
I understand that in Australia and NZ this is common as well, on Remembrance day/vets day to wear ancestors medals on the right side, it even has an official term IIRC called "passing the Anzac torch" or something similar.
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Personally I have mixed feelings about this, I have both grandfathers WW2 and one set of Korean medals, and I'd never wear them, even on the right side on Vets/Rem day, but if some want to honor their family in this way, I suppose it's ok on just one day and if done in the proper accepted way.
Actually Gman, that is incorrect and a common misconception. Canadians are not authorized to wear medals of relatives at any time, period. It's a chargeable offence under the Criminal Code of Canada.
Chanter
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Check PM. Article 419 of the Criminal code has been interpreted differently by many, however it has been common practice recently what with the 150 dead from the Afghan mission for family members to follow the practice I described earlier. Some have complained about it. Nobody has been convicted under article 419 for wearing a dead relatives medals, there have been about 10 charges laid under 419 from 2004 to 2009, none for family members, and all withdrawn or stayed anyway, and no charges under 419 as of 2009, so draw your own conclusion I guess. I do agree mostly, that it probably shouldn't be done, but it IS legal and common practice in several other commonwealth countries, and again, no family member has been convicted under 419 in recent memory.
In fact, 419 is not considered a blanket prohibition by many, and many vets groups in Canada differ in their opinions. The law specifically says "without lawful excuse", and many on one side say honoring fallen family members is such a lawful excuse, and point to the fact that the law was passed many decades ago in order to stop many scammers trying to get free WW1 vets benefits.
Google gives a large number of examples, but as I said, it has become a more common practice in recent years which is why I even brought it up, and nobody has been convicted for a family members medals, even though some vets groups have made complaints and launched campaigns against the practice.
The Canadian Legion has specifically gone on record to say they don't want to stop people from honoring their family by doing so, they just want a crystal clear law or amendment saying it is 100% legal to do so before supporting it officially.
Royal Canadian Legion, Canada’s largest veterans group, which has more than 500,000 members.
The legion denies this.
"I don’t know where somebody got the idea that we’re against [people wearing their relatives’ war medals] – all we’re doing is obeying the law," says Bob Butt, director of communications for the Dominion Command of the Royal Canadian Legion.
"Until we get a resolution through the [legion’s internal] resolution process that passes dominion convention, the legion is not mandated to do anything about the law. Until we’re mandated, we don’t take any action."
It certainly is done in a different spirit than the goof in the OP, but again, isn't something I would choose to do, or even support for that matter.
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Wearing a dead relative's medals to honor them is completely different than some little weasel collecting all the medals, badges, ribbons, etc that he can come up with. Then try to impress someone else with something he doesn't have the brass to volunteer and sacrifice on his own. Pure cowardice. No honor. No self respect.
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I have several medals,well I should say my wife has several as they are her Dad's hard earned awards,including master jump wings and as much as I'd like wear them I would never consider it.
Law or no law IMHO it's disrespectful!
We display them in a shadow box with a pic of him and his father who served in WW1
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Check PM. Article 419 of the Criminal code has been interpreted differently by many, however it has been common practice recently what with the 150 dead from the Afghan mission for family members to follow the practice I described earlier. Some have complained about it. Nobody has been convicted under article 419 for wearing a dead relatives medals, there have been about 10 charges laid under 419 from 2004 to 2009, none for family members, and all withdrawn or stayed anyway, and no charges under 419 as of 2009, so draw your own conclusion I guess. I do agree mostly, that it probably shouldn't be done, but it IS legal and common practice in several other commonwealth countries, and again, no family member has been convicted under 419 in recent memory.
In fact, 419 is not considered a blanket prohibition by many, and many vets groups in Canada differ in their opinions. The law specifically says "without lawful excuse", and many on one side say honoring fallen family members is such a lawful excuse, and point to the fact that the law was passed many decades ago in order to stop many scammers trying to get free WW1 vets benefits.
Google gives a large number of examples, but as I said, it has become a more common practice in recent years which is why I even brought it up, and nobody has been convicted for a family members medals, even though some vets groups have made complaints and launched campaigns against the practice.
The Canadian Legion has specifically gone on record to say they don't want to stop people from honoring their family by doing so, they just want a crystal clear law or amendment saying it is 100% legal to do so before supporting it officially.
It certainly is done in a different spirit than the goof in the OP, but again, isn't something I would choose to do, or even support for that matter.
Got your PM, thanks.
What I was replying to in your original answer was the statement that here in Canada, people are "allowed" to wear their relatives' medals on a certain outfit (and I'm not sure where the interpretation of what outfit you can wear the medals with came from either) That's simply not true. Want to and allowed to are totally different animals.
The Legion can say what it wants, but there is little if any room to interpret 419(b). It's not lawful excuse; it's lawful authority.
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Combat Infantryman Badge 3rd award....Must have been in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam.
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I wondered what that meant, thanks Junky, I'm all know-ed up now. Do they do the something with the combat stars on jump wings do distinguish between wars, ie Sar/Maj Plummly having jumped in WW2 and Korea for example, is there a way of differentiating those, or is it just another star on the wings.
Chanter - like I said, you can think what you like about what the law means, but if you google and search the cases where charges were laid, every instance of a family member wearing medals on the right side of a suit coat on Rem day have either never been charged, or in the couple of cases in the early 2000's where the charges were dropped. Since then, the L/E and MP's of Canada haven't charged anyone based on the case law established, which was directly due to the interpretation of the "lawful excuse" clause of 419. If anything the practice has increased since 2008, again, which is why I brought it up having seen it done recently twice in the last few years, yet despite complaints, nobody gets charged, much less convicted any longer.
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Down here it is indeed common practice for relatives' medals to be worn, on the opposite side, primarily on Anzac Day. In fact it's officially encouraged - keeps numbers up for the remembrance ceremonies and parades as the ranks of veterans thin.
That said, it's the medals which are worn, not the uniforms. I mean, when you see a sixty-something woman wearing a darkish coat, slacks and a DFC (among other medals) on her right side, you can be pretty sure she's not an impersonator.
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On a serious note, which Aces High pilot is this?
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Since men have fought each other there have always been some men who have impersonated them for the glory, recognition and personal gain. This is only going to become more prevalent in our lives with the ongoing conflicts we're living in.
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edited...chanter beat me to it.
Cary on as if you were normal!
RTR
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Since men have fought each other there have always been some men who have impersonated them for the glory, recognition and personal gain. This is only going to become more prevalent in our lives with the ongoing conflicts we're living in.
Perhaps if we didn't glorify, recognise or attribute personal gain to killing each other in the first place the problem wouldn't exist. That's not a dig at soldiers or any particular nation and it is most definitely not a defence of these disrespectful imposters. Just an observation regarding the consequences of the human condition.
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Wow
Oz
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Wearing a dead relative's medals to honor them is completely different than some little weasel collecting all the medals, badges, ribbons, etc that he can come up with. Then try to impress someone else with something he doesn't have the brass to volunteer and sacrifice on his own. Pure cowardice. No honor. No self respect.
:aok :salute
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Perhaps if we didn't glorify, recognise or attribute personal gain to killing each other in the first place the problem wouldn't exist. That's not a dig at soldiers or any particular nation and it is most definitely not a defence of these disrespectful imposters. Just an observation regarding the consequences of the human condition.
Those who have served and sacrificed are awarded those medals and ribbons to signify service, not as a scoreboard of kills. Those same soldiers will be the last to brag about what they have experienced with their service. Instead, they demonstrate humility, unlike the little weasel in the picture.
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On a serious note, which Aces High pilot is this?
Maybe the one that claimed to have 10,000 flight hours, 7,500 of those hours in fighter/attack jets but yet is clueless about ACM in game.
ack-ack
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Maybe the one that claimed to have 10,000 flight hours, 7,500 of those hours in fighter/attack jets but yet is clueless about ACM in game.
ack-ack
:lol :rofl :D
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Those who have served and sacrificed are awarded those medals and ribbons to signify service, not as a scoreboard of kills. Those same soldiers will be the last to brag about what they have experienced with their service. Instead, they demonstrate humility, unlike the little weasel in the picture.
You are absolutely right, though I think you may be taking my response to Nef's quote (below) out of context if you think I had any notion of medals representing scoreboards of kills.
Since men have fought each other there have always been some men who have impersonated them for the glory, recognition and personal gain.
If I, as one who has never taken part in combat, am permitted to elaborate; if there was no prestige to be gained by impersonating a warrior then the fakers wouldn't do it. Nobody likely ever impersonates an ER nurse despite similarly traumatic and soul consuming work as that of warriors. We don't glorify nurses even though they also do their best to keep us safe, like warriors, whilst protesting that they are nothing special and 'just doing what anyone would do' in an attempt to have some semblance of normality in their lives.
True warriors do not glorify war or themselves. But those who understand nothing of war do glorify warriors. Then others who understand less than nothing about war, respect or honour impersonate warriors. The general population need warriors to be glorified. If they were not glorified, warriors would be as terrifying as the enemy they defend the population from.
No matter if combat veterans want it or not, they are glorified. War is glorified. It is part of the gloss that stops us ignorant civvies making a fuss about our societies advocating killing. It is part of the gloss that old and wealthy humans utilise to inspire young and eager humans to fight and kill each other in the just wars and the unjust.
War has evolved a lot since 'The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est Pro patria mori' and we now understand and admit much more about the true nature of the human condition than ever before in documented history. However, war and our heroic warriors are still glorified to some lesser extent and until we can view killing each other as simply a necessary evil, a gritty function of the reality we have inherited and currently continue, there will remain the deep insult of the cowardly impersonating the brave.
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You are absolutely right, though I think you may be taking my response to Nef's quote (below) out of context if you think I had any notion of medals representing scoreboards of kills.
Nope. Just a statement of clarification in the event there was any doubt.
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What kills me is the complete over-the-top display of badges and ribbons. A few ribbons couldn't suffice? Some people are never content, even in the lies they tell.
And just from the picture, like the other video, I believe this guy might be mentally ill as well.
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Purple Heart and Combat Infantry Badge pisses me off the most.
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I agree with your comment as my CIB and Purple Durple I feel the most earned.
It is possible that a hitch in the Army before the Air Force enlistment could earn him a CIB. But, there are uniform restrictions that would only entitle him to wear the CIB on an Army uniform while active Army. Maybe that's changed, I don't know.
A good reason that real CIB awardees get a little hot seeing a phony is what it takes to earn one.
What you must do to earn the CIB:
1. Be in the Infantry or Special Forces as an enlisted man or as an officer in grade of colonel or below.
2. Personally engage the enemy in combat while serving in a unit smaller than brigade size.
The CIB is the only award in the Army that is worn above the Medal of Honor.
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Those who have served and sacrificed are awarded those medals and ribbons to signify service, not as a scoreboard of kills. Those same soldiers will be the last to brag about what they have experienced with their service. Instead, they demonstrate humility, unlike the little weasel in the picture.
:aok
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This kid looks about 25 years old. Thats what? An E7 Senior Master? I forget.
I know much has changed but I dont even recognize 1/2 of that stuff. I was in 4 years, got out an E-4, and only got a good conduct medal and a marksmanship ribbon. This seems to be more and more prevalent, we have freakos that like to run around posing as the Police too. I knew a guy who had the world convinced he was a former motorcycle racer until we found out he never even had a MC License and probably never once rode a bike.
I dont believe in wearing medals or ribbons. Its a personal decision, I dont look down on others who do, just dont have an opinion. Its been my experience that most who deserve them never get them.
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FTR - the idiot in the OP's post is from an old incident. He was berated much.
IIRC, he's a former Airman 1st Class who served as a C-130 Loadmaster at Pope AFB. He was court-martialed in 2003 for drug use involving Percocet, shrooms, nitrous oxide and huffing shoe polish.
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IIRC, he's a former Airman 1st Class who served as a C-130 Loadmaster at Pope AFB. He was court-martialed in 2003 for drug use involving Percocet, shrooms, nitrous oxide and huffing shoe polish.
Karaya, That sounds familiar. It was 2006 when the story broke IIRC. I remember it was my first year in Stuttgart. The story went viral within USAF circles and being in a joint command, some of the Army/Navy/MC troops had a lot of fun with that one.
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Loads of air force guys with airborne wings. I want to say they can qualify at the air force academy.
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This one upsets me even more. Purple Heart and Combat Infantry Badge pisses me off the most.
Maybe he got bit by a scorpion?
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Loads of air force guys with airborne wings. I want to say they can qualify at the air force academy.
USAF Pararescue and Combat Controllers are required to graduate from U.S. Army Military Free Fall Parachutist School, Fort Bragg, N.C.
I believe the Combat Controllers even have a follow on school for HALO at Yuma Proving Grounds.
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Who the Hell is this kid?
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I wondered what that meant, thanks Junky, I'm all know-ed up now. Do they do the something with the combat stars on jump wings do distinguish
For Combat jumps they have a gold star on the parachute for every jump. Only a few Rangers have more then 1 (2nd Battalion I think US RANGER would know that). The star and reeth above the parachute is the level of knowledge. Star is Jump master, star with reeth is senior jump master, about 90% positive on that.
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Quick glance he has stolen "valor" for 3 awards. Bronze Star v device, silver star, and distinguished service cross. Those are the only valorous awards I can see at a quick glance. Everything else are skill badges, service awards, and commendations.
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I wondered what that meant, thanks Junky, I'm all know-ed up now. Do they do the something with the combat stars on jump wings do distinguish between wars, ie Sar/Maj Plummly having jumped in WW2 and Korea for example, is there a way of differentiating those, or is it just another star on the wings.
Chanter - like I said, you can think what you like about what the law means, but if you google and search the cases where charges were laid, every instance of a family member wearing medals on the right side of a suit coat on Rem day have either never been charged, or in the couple of cases in the early 2000's where the charges were dropped. Since then, the L/E and MP's of Canada haven't charged anyone based on the case law established, which was directly due to the interpretation of the "lawful excuse" clause of 419. If anything the practice has increased since 2008, again, which is why I brought it up having seen it done recently twice in the last few years, yet despite complaints, nobody gets charged, much less convicted any longer.
I would be honoured if one of my kids wanted to wear my medals on Remembrance Day when I'm gone - just saying and that the law that prohibits it is baloney and outdated.
The guy in the photo, horeeee kowe. Dats a lot of phat on his chest. But by the look of his hollow eyes, sometin else is up.
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Junky.... your killing me smalls.
The star is senior parachutist... 30 jumps and a jumpmaster.
Wreath is master parachutist... 65 jumps and a jumpmaster.
There are a required number of mass tactical, night, and equipment jumps that are counted within that number.
I had a chance to jump with the pararescue school once.... kinda sketchy. They do streamer passes to determine ground wind speed. I am now a half inch shorter... lol.
Oh yeah, gold stars are for combat jumps. When I was a company commander my bn csm was the only guy on active duty with three. Csm James d. Pippin.
In regard to the picture, I think there is a big difference in young insecure troglodytes trying to find some recognition in life and 65 year old men who do the same thing. The kids just don't know better. Frankly the old guys should.
On the CIB... you could wear lots of badges over the medal of honor. The medal of honor resides at the top of your ribbons. The sections above and below the ribbons are reserved for badges of different categories. To illustrate I have an expert infantryman's badge and a combat action badge (enlisted infantry pre-9-11 engineer officer after 9-11). I cannot wear both at the same time, regardless, they sit above my medals.
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“Give me enough medals and I’ll win you any war”
― Napoleon, Napoleon's Art of War
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I find these imposters very annoying...
I served in the 1970s. I entered the Navy within the time period for the National Defense Service ribbon. I was handed the ribbon by my Division Officer. I looked at it and told him that I preferred not to wear it. I was in bootcamp at the end of the time frame.
He insisted that I wear it on my dress uniforms... After I transferred to another command, the ribbon was retired....
I served in peacetime. I flew off carriers (aircrewman), logging over 300 traps. Dangerous work, but not combat. The closest I came to combat was having my Huey fired on by some ill tempered Cuban as we flew the fence line at night in GTMO. Seeing tracers, we skedaddled post-haste. My only other experience was when my C-1A was parked on the ramp at Beirut airport. Some mortar rounds were fired onto the field. The closest hit was on the other side of the airport. We didn't even notice... The tower informed all aircraft that the airport was closed. Being Military, we were allowed to leave at our own risk. We did so, uneventfully. It's far more dangerous to live in the south side of Chicago...
Many vets served at a time when there was no war, other than the Cold War. They have few medals and ribbons. They did the same job, and were ready to go to war if needed. They were fortunate, not having to experience the trauma of warfare. They did, however, show up for the game.
Once a year, on Veteran's Day, I take out my old Navy G-1 flight jacket (fits mighty tight these days) and my USS Saratoga ball cap, with my AC wings, and join the other vets in the parade in our small home town. That one day a year, a Vet isn't permitted to pay for a beer or lunch.... And now, almost 50 years later, the Vietnam Vets are finally getting the recognition and respect they should have gotten over the many years.
To my fellow vets who served in peacetime or in war, thanks for your sacrifice and service.... :salute
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I find these imposters very annoying...
I served in the 1970s. I entered the Navy within the time period for the National Defense Service ribbon. I was handed the ribbon by my Division Officer. I looked at it and told him that I preferred not to wear it. I was in bootcamp at the end of the time frame.
He insisted that I wear it on my dress uniforms... After I transferred to another command, the ribbon was retired....
I served in peacetime. I flew off carriers (aircrewman), logging over 300 traps. Dangerous work, but not combat. The closest I came to combat was having my Huey fired on by some ill tempered Cuban as we flew the fence line at night in GTMO. Seeing tracers, we skedaddled post-haste. My only other experience was when my C-1A was parked on the ramp at Beirut airport. Some mortar rounds were fired onto the field. The closest hit was on the other side of the airport. We didn't even notice... The tower informed all aircraft that the airport was closed. Being Military, we were allowed to leave at our own risk. We did so, uneventfully. It's far more dangerous to live in the south side of Chicago...
Many vets served at a time when there was no war, other than the Cold War. They have few medals and ribbons. They did the same job, and were ready to go to war if needed. They were fortunate, not having to experience the trauma of warfare. They did, however, show up for the game.
Once a year, on Veteran's Day, I take out my old Navy G-1 flight jacket (fits mighty tight these days) and my USS Saratoga ball cap, with my AC wings, and join the other vets in the parade in our small home town. That one day a year, a Vet isn't permitted to pay for a beer or lunch.... And now, almost 50 years later, the Vietnam Vets are finally getting the recognition and respect they should have gotten over the many years.
To my fellow vets who served in peacetime or in war, thanks for your sacrifice and service.... :salute
Thanks for your service and contribution. During my 21 years the world was pretty much at peace with no major conflicts or wars. Proud to have made a minute contribution to the overall effort. :salute
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Junky.... your killing me smalls.
The star is senior parachutist... 30 jumps and a jumpmaster.
Wreath is master parachutist... 65 jumps and a jumpmaster.
There are a required number of mass tactical, night, and equipment jumps that are counted within that number.
I had a chance to jump with the pararescue school once.... kinda sketchy. They do streamer passes to determine ground wind speed. I am now a half inch shorter... lol.
Oh yeah, gold stars are for combat jumps. When I was a company commander my bn csm was the only guy on active duty with three. Csm James d. Pippin.
In regard to the picture, I think there is a big difference in young insecure troglodytes trying to find some recognition in life and 65 year old men who do the same thing. The kids just don't know better. Frankly the old guys should.
On the CIB... you could wear lots of badges over the medal of honor. The medal of honor resides at the top of your ribbons. The sections above and below the ribbons are reserved for badges of different categories. To illustrate I have an expert infantryman's badge and a combat action badge (enlisted infantry pre-9-11 engineer officer after 9-11). I cannot wear both at the same time, regardless, they sit above my medals.
Hey I'm Light Infantry, I don't jump out of no stinking plane!!! :D Parachutist, jumpmaster same same (I know they aren't)
Combat badges take precedent over others. So I have CIB and EIB...I can't wear my EIB in my ASUs but I can on my ACUs because the CIB takes precedent in dress uniform
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I'm not sure it is stealing valor, but it is incredibly stupid and ignorant to prance around like he earned those medals.
It is no different than this (can't even put the CIB on right side up).
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Message aside, it isn't much different than this either.
(http://www.feelnumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/john_lennon_us_army_jacket_dick_cavett_show_reinhardt.jpg)
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Again, ignorance but anyone with any sense can see right through it.
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Carmen Electra is all I saw :O
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John Lennon was given the shirt by a returning soldier from Korea, at an airport in Germany.
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John Lennon was given the shirt by a returning soldier from Korea, at an airport in Germany.
That doesn't mean he earned the right to wear it. Besides, from what I read the shirt had some evidence of Korea on it in regards to patches. This fact makes the entire story stating it was a Vietnam vet very weak.
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That doesn't mean he earned the right to wear it. Besides, from what I read the shirt had some evidence of Korea on it in regards to patches. This fact makes the entire story stating it was a Vietnam vet very weak.
I never said it was from a Vietnam Vet, but he was from the Korean DMZ. The soldier sent his Army clothing in the mail to John Lennon, after Lennon gave a veteran/complete his home address. When I wear my grandfathers USMC tie clip that was issued to him in 1943, I get nothing but compliments from USMC veterans when I tell them who it was from.
I believe the line is crossed when you pretend to be something that you aren't. Which is what the mentally ill person in the OP did. John Lennon wore the shirt and a US Army shirt underneath at MSG. He wasn't slamming the US Army by wearing either article of clothing, he was wearing both because Sgt. Reinhardt gave them to him.
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I never said it was from a Vietnam Vet, but he was from the Korean DMZ.
No, but Lennon did. He wanted to make a bigger statement with the shirt than was originally intended regarding the Vietnam war.
Check this link out.
http://www.feelnumb.com/2010/01/14/john-lennons-famous-army-jacket-patches/
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kXCnKfdGOY
Again, he had a message to say and he used this shirt to make it even though the original owner wasn't in Vietnam.
Apologies for bashing Lennon, it is pretty obvious you're fond of him.
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Quite farcical when compared to the genuine article.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m90978L3Ah1qchs1zo1_1280.jpg)
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Though I never got to meet Audie Murphy it was an honor and privilege to meet LTC Lames L. Minor. My grandfather was the VFW post commander (Post 6797 Miller/Luman Post - Post, Texas) at the time and he drove me over to his house a year or two before he passed. He was working on a book at the time and I got to see these pages:
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/16e26a85d00350dae2482ee49e126f28d8f2883f_r.jpg)
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/391267251d0280a6e618f5e1cf4d63b66856df89_r.jpg)
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/64836ecd56340a890dc5e67f80c8e2806afc0863_r.jpg)
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/65a264e5680dc042e698b5e3385a2b30e6c28984_r.jpg)
(http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2013/192/26752996_137369436049.jpg)
I'd give anything to time-warp back to that visit. One thing that stuck out was his sharing that it was a great source of mirth to everyone when he was promoted to major.
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No, but Lennon did. He wanted to make a bigger statement with the shirt than was originally intended regarding the Vietnam war.
Check this link out.
http://www.feelnumb.com/2010/01/14/john-lennons-famous-army-jacket-patches/
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kXCnKfdGOY
Again, he had a message to say and he used this shirt to make it even though the original owner wasn't in Vietnam.
Apologies for bashing Lennon, it is pretty obvious you're fond of him.
Bash away bro, all good as far as I am concerned. I just recall his interview on the Dick Cavet show in like 71 or 72. Nuke and Sluggish are the two that would have crawled into the sack with him. :devil I just don't know the true intentions of him wearing it I suppose. He would flip fliop on same questions, which including admitting that in the past he was kidding. So you are left wondering, "well how much of this is true John?"