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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: jolly22 on September 19, 2014, 11:48:07 AM
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SIMPLE VERSION: No GV icons for enemy Aircraft.
In the month that I've been back, I've noticed that bomb****s are becoming way too popular..
I've noticed the Icon range is down to 1.0k which is a bit helpful, but could we not have them at all. I think it'll make bomb****s think twice before launching, or when they do decide to, they'll have no icon to guage how high up they are. And maybe it won't do much against bomb****, but I don't see a point at having GV icons for aircraft.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
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JollyJR
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-1 The gv icon doesn't show up most the time anyway....
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-1 The gv icon doesn't show up most the time anyway....
Why a -1? Isn't it annoying when you're in a tank or M3 hiding in some trees and your icon appears when they fly over? I don't think it does ANY good to the game by allowing the icons. Might as well put a big target around the GVs.
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SIMPLE VERSION: No GV icons for enemy Aircraft.
In the month that I've been back, I've noticed that bomb****s are becoming way too popular..
I've noticed the Icon range is down to 1.0k which is a bit helpful, but could we not have them at all. I think it'll make bomb****s think twice before launching, or when they do decide to, they'll have no icon to guage how high up they are. And maybe it won't do much against bomb****, but I don't see a point at having GV icons for aircraft.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
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JollyJR
Great! As long as there's also no GV icon for friendly aircraft either, and no aircraft icon for GV's. Sounds excellent. That way you practically won't have to interact with aircraft at all.
Wiley.
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I'm a bomb****
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SIMPLE VERSION: No GV icons for enemy Aircraft.
In the month that I've been back, I've noticed that bomb****s are becoming way too popular..
I've noticed the Icon range is down to 1.0k which is a bit helpful, but could we not have them at all. I think it'll make bomb****s think twice before launching, or when they do decide to, they'll have no icon to guage how high up they are. And maybe it won't do much against bomb****, but I don't see a point at having GV icons for aircraft.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
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JollyJR
Remove Wirbelwinds from the game and sure, you got a deal.
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I agree that GVs should also have no AC icons.. including wirbles.
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In the month that I've been back, I've noticed that bomb****s are becoming way too popular..
Just perception.
There are never significant short term sudden differences in player behaviour / acrivities on a global scale unless something was changed fundamentally.
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Just perception.
There are never significant short term sudden differences in player behaviour / acrivities on a global scale unless something was changed fundamentally.
Well if that's the case, then my tolerance level for bomb****s have decreased DRASTICALLY. Which is enough for me to post this thread.
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Just because there's a short icon won't mean I cannot spot you from 5-1p' AGL.
Wirbles at distance are notoriously shiny like P-38L's , only a matter of avoiding them, and further more sooner or later tanks ae going to fire their main or make engine sounds leading me to them...
All your wish will do is make smarter gv killers...
As for M3's sure they'll hide easier, but sooner or later they'll need to come to target and will only make those now smarter gv killers hang around town longer, hang out in a chute, or get themselves or a friend to camp maprooms...
What will you do then? Demand that bombs be removed from the game?... Your tank will get bombed eventually and your tears will be harvested.
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Just because there's a short icon won't mean I cannot spot you from 5-1p' AGL.
Wirbles at distance are notoriously shiny like P-38L's , only a matter of avoiding them, and further more sooner or later tanks ae going to fire their main or make engine sounds leading me to them...
All your wish will do is make smarter gv killers...
As for M3's sure they'll hide easier, but sooner or later they'll need to come to target and will only make those now smarter gv killers hang around town longer, hang out in a chute, or get themselves or a friend to camp maprooms...
What will you do then? Demand that bombs be removed from the game?... Your tank will get bombed eventually and your tears will be harvested.
The only way an AC will be able to hear a GV on the ground, is if their AC sound is turned off and they turn GV sounds all the way up, and even then, I don't know about the range of sound. Basically I want the bomb****s to use more of their senses and do some work to find the GVs to kill them. Instead of allowing the computer to do the work by giving them the Icon.
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The OP is choosing to ignore the flip side. In many cases tanks are escorted by wirble making bombing them a suicide mission. The OP just needs to bring a countryman along in a wirble.
Fighter bombers accounted for the majority of tank kills by airplane. No icons means the bomb tards and Il2 tards will learn to use FULL ZOOM correctly. And if no icon means tanks will mass together with wirbles to become hedge hogs of mutual support. Expect conveyor belts of low carpet bombing bombers sticking it in your outraged eye......
You will still loose your tank to bombs one way or another.
You should be happy, instead of Hitech changing commander mode to help IL2 and bomb tards. We adjusted our tactics and slaughter tanks by the same numbers as before commander mode.
Nothing in this game is easy. Including trying to deliver things in a jeep or M3. My squad mates regularly sneek tanks onto airfields before getting bombed. Sometimes getting bombed between the spawn and airfield. I never hear them complain. Pigs don't fuss about chit. They just get even.
By the way, you do know AH3 is on the way, who knows what Hitech has in store for us. This fussing is getting old.
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The OP is choosing to ignore the flip side. In many cases tanks are escorted by wirble making bombing them a suicide mission. The OP just needs to bring a countryman along in a wirble.
Fighter bombers accounted for the majority of tank kills by airplane. No icons means the bomb tards and Il2 tards will learn to use FULL ZOOM correctly. And if no icon means tanks will mass together with wirbles to become hedge hogs of mutual support. Expect conveyor belts of low carpet bombing bombers sticking it in your outraged eye......
You will still loose your tank to bombs one way or another.
You should be happy, instead of Hitech changing commander mode to help IL2 and bomb tards. We adjusted our tactics and slaughter tanks by the same numbers as before commander mode.
Nothing in this game is easy. Including trying to deliver things in a jeep or M3. My squad mates regularly sneek tanks onto airfields before getting bombed. Sometimes getting bombed between the spawn and airfield. I never hear them complain. Pigs don't fuss about chit. They just get even.
By the way, you do know AH3 is on the way, who knows what Hitech has in store for us. This fussing is getting old.
No fuss.. Simply a Wish.
I agree, some way or another, We will be bombed, but I'm trying to give a solution to reduce it a little bit. I also believe the Wirbles have it a little too easy as well. Taking away Icons for ALL ground units will even out the ground warfare table a little bit. Yes, it's a drastic change, but people are ALWAYS complaining about bomb****s on 200.. I see it every night. Just a possible solution.
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Removing GV icons would only be fair if aircraft icons were disabled for all GVs. And you're getting bombed anyway.
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I think it's best to have no icon visible for a gv in a thick area of trees or shrub. Otherwise...you shouldnt be out in the open when there are A20's, IL2's and the like around.
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Did you know that
- only about 10-12% of all tank deaths are to planes
- tanks are achieving almost a 1-1 K/D vs planes? Yes, medium to heavy tanks and tank destroyers only, AA vehicles are excluded.
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I wish freindly GV icons were as limited as enemy........
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I wish freindly GV icons were as limited as enemy........
+1 :aok
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Did you know that
- only about 10-12% of all tank deaths are to planes
- tanks are achieving almost a 1-1 K/D vs planes? Yes, medium to heavy tanks and tank destroyers only, AA vehicles are excluded.
Yet asking for the same icon range between GVs and planes (6K) always results in endless whines :uhoh
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I'd just like to have more,, better,, places to hide,, open the doors up on the big barns, make the GV icons smaller and not show thru the roofs of the buildings and trees, a plane shouldnt be able to see a tank inside a building from the air!
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I think there should be some icon identification and for now I think HTC has it right for ranges.
However... I'd rather see something different as far as WHAT the icon says. I like the idea of "TRK" for a tracked gv, "WHL" for a wheeled gv, and "HT" for half tracks, at least for distances outside 600 yards or so. I think HTC is way too generous.
Same goes for planes, too. I think the icons should read "1ENG", "2ENG", or "4ENG", until 1000 yards or so. MAKE it so scouting is more a part of the game.
All for game play, yet all helps with the "fog of war" as well.
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I think there should be some icon identification and for now I think HTC has it right for ranges.
However... I'd rather see something different as far as WHAT the icon says. I like the idea of "TRK" for a tracked gv, "WHL" for a wheeled gv, and "HT" for half tracks, at least for distances outside 600 yards or so. I think HTC is way too generous.
Same goes for planes, too. I think the icons should read "1ENG", "2ENG", or "4ENG", until 1000 yards or so. MAKE it so scouting is more a part of the game.
All for game play, yet all helps with the "fog of war" as well.
I like that idea for scenarios. Not so much for the MA, but I think is a good idea for a special event.
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I agree that GVs should also have no AC icons.. including wirbles.
Then I can fly an IL2 around friendly spawns and watch someone killshoot themselves trying to kill me
Mass tears would result
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Might as well put a big target around the GVs.
that's what gv's are supposed to be.
that's why air power is superior.
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Then I can fly an IL2 around friendly spawns and watch someone killshoot themselves trying to kill me
Mass tears would result
Enemies. That that was obvious. my fault. All friendly icons would be enabled at standard 6.0K range. Enemy GV icons would be disabled. Both from AC to GV and GV to AC.
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Enemies. That that was obvious. my fault. All friendly icons would be enabled at standard 6.0K range. Enemy GV icons would be disabled. Both from AC to GV and GV to AC.
No, GV icons should have the same rules for enemy and friendly aircraft. I am sick of fleeing aircraft going straight to a Wirble that they can magically see and I cannot.
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There is no logical reason why a 37 foot wingspan P-51D should be visible at 6000 yards yet a 30 ton tank should not. Either the aircraft icon range is far too long for realism or the GV icon is far too short. One cannot have it both ways. BTW, from being in light planes I know one can easily tell the difference between a sedan and a pickup from 5000 feet above them.
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The point is to protect the GV warefare side of the game though.. By taking out GV icons from AC, I think it will help ever so slightly.
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a plane shouldnt be able to see a tank inside a building from the air!
Ah, the system already works like this. You only have icons over you if a part of your tank is visible to the AC. To find a M3 parked in one of those small barns, you must see him through the door or little window. I fly low level around where M3s are thought to be hiding looking almost through each barn I can see. When I spot it, then a Bomb will be on its way soon.
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The point is to protect the GV warefare side of the game though.. By taking out GV icons from AC, I think it will help ever so slightly.
I disagree that your protecting your GV wares :D is the point. The point is to simulate the gear of WWII and then let us kill each other with it. The short icon range is an enormous and unrealistic concession made to the GV crowd so they would shut up. This was a mistake, as .squelch GVwhiner #5,678 would work just as well.
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Everyone on this forum be like "Cooperation and teamwork is great!", until someone use it to kill them. ;)
No, GV icons should have the same rules for enemy and friendly aircraft. I am sick of fleeing aircraft going straight to a Wirble that they can magically see and I cannot.
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Everyone on this forum be like "Cooperation and teamwork is great!", until someone use it to kill them. ;)
I have no problem with cooperation being used to kill me so long as it is reasonable cooperation. Cooperation based on magically skills and information the US Army would kill for now let alone in WWII is not something I think is good.
If I could also see the Wirblewind and still got dragged to it, fine, I'm dumb for taking the chance. If neither I nor Mr P-51 can see where the Wirble is and through skillful communication and planning he is able to drag me to the Wirble, fine, they earned it. The situation now where the Mr. P-51 can just see from miles away where the Wirblewind is and I cannot see it until I am well inside its range is just broken.
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The point is to protect the GV warefare side of the game though.. By taking out GV icons from AC, I think it will help ever so slightly.
and here I thought the GVs were only added as more targets for the aircraft in an air sim game. :devil
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and here I thought the GVs were only added as more targets for the aircraft in an air sim game. :devil
Aces Ground :(
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Most guys looking for GV's turn down the graphics to pre-svga air warrior settings but it's kind of gamey.
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Op really is in a wibbly wobbling world of his own :old:
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Most guys looking for GV's turn down the graphics to pre-svga air warrior settings but it's kind of gamey.
"most"
:rofl
where do you get these theories from?
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Well, I've already said I think you should be able to see a 20 ton tank as far way as a 10,000 pound airplane, so we have no disagreement. :salute
I have no problem with cooperation being used to kill me so long as it is reasonable cooperation. Cooperation based on magically skills and information the US Army would kill for now let alone in WWII is not something I think is good.
If I could also see the Wirblewind and still got dragged to it, fine, I'm dumb for taking the chance. If neither I nor Mr P-51 can see where the Wirble is and through skillful communication and planning he is able to drag me to the Wirble, fine, they earned it. The situation now where the Mr. P-51 can just see from miles away where the Wirblewind is and I cannot see it until I am well inside its range is just broken.
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-1 I can easily see a and (usually make out the model) car from 4000 feet in my plane. Until I can identify a tank from a barn at 4k agl in AH, the icons should remain and be made the same for all. If I can't see your icon, you shouldn't be able to see mine. Already heavily skewed in tankers favor in my opinion. I personally think its complete stupidity that I can hear a GV if I shut my engine off before I can see it.
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Turn off all enemy gv icons for all planes including the storch and give the gv's someplace to hide. The storch
can see enemy gv's and does not need to have icons turned on.
I like WWhiskey idea, make the barn door bigger on those that have two silos. The tank can drive in and make use of good cover. Make the trees in the next update allot denser so gv's cannot be seen. We will see allot more perked tanks off of concrete. Hunting perked tanks with a medium armor tank is allot of fun.
<S> WWhiskey......always fun fighting you.
Taking down ords so we can have a gv fight gets tiresome, but is effective.
Hopefully the new terrain will provide the cover that GV's need.
Tanks do not fly up and kill planes. On the contrary, planes come in low within the ranged of the turret and get main gunned. I always get pm's from unhappy pilots that I cheated. They came in really low and got maingunned with an HE round......nothing more.
The bomb-buddies*** can go into the TA anytime to learn GV's. It is free.
AH inherently gives an unfair advantage to a/c. Flame away.
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icepac
Most guys looking for GV's turn down the graphics to pre-svga air warrior settings but it's kind of gamey.
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Well, I've already said I think you should be able to see a 20 ton tank as far way as a 10,000 pound airplane, so we have no disagreement. :salute
I'm not so sure. Generally speaking, the plane is not amongst a 3D backdrop, colored to its surroundings, and *trying* to hide.
Set them both in the middle of the Bonneville Salt Flats and set back 5000 yards and maybe they'd be on closer terms, but something that is high in clear blue sky vs hidden amongst the trees, buildings, hedgerows, AND is the same color as its surroundings is not the same.