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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zimme83 on March 20, 2015, 06:13:33 PM
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What are u flying and why?
As i guess most people have figured out by now my ride of choise is the B-239. Most people hates it and thats one of the reason i fly it . :D
Its one of the slowest plane and a lot of fight will end with seeing the opponent running away but that is something u have to take.
On the good side it has an excelent roll rate and diving ability. and as discussed in other threads it can hold E in turns really well compare to most other planes.
4x12,7mm is not that much firepower but the guns are close together and that gives a decent killing ability. I usually fights untill cowling guns are dry and then rtb, 200 rounds isnt a lot but if u not pray and spray its enough for 3-4 kills. Cowling guns also increase the chance of PW:s as they always fire along the line of sight and are more likley to hit the fuselage compare to wing mounted guns.
The way we fight in the MA is also suiting the Brewster well with Low alt -low e fights so a Brewster can be fairly succesful even against LW rides.
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There are too many fine planes to chose from that I could name a single favourite.
Only if it were just about beauty, there would be only one choice: The Ta-152H spreads its wings like an angle :old:
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There are too many fine planes to chose from that I could name a single favourite.
Only if it were just about beauty, there would be only one choice: The Ta-152H spreads its wings like an angle :old:
an angle huh..... well it is your second, or is it your 3rd language? :D
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:huh :bhead :o
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nothing wrong with that, there is a lot of beautiful angles out there :D
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FM2 Wildcat. I've got a lot of favorite rides in this game, but I keep coming back to this one. Reliable, tough and far more capable than she is ever given credit for. She gets me home after a bad day and she's saved my neck more than once.
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Spitfire XII....ER...wait. We don't have it yet :furious
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/41SpitXIIs.jpg)
Beaufighter...um...we don't have it yet either :bhead
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Beaufighters/Beaufighter.jpg)
Ok I guess I'll say the P-38G cause it's got my name on it, complete with cannon shell hole right through the O. ;)
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A bit of spackle and she'll be fine.
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Sentimentaly? The C.205, great uncle once removed flew one in the war.
To fly on a regular basis? The K4. I would say the Spit 14, but she doesn't handle great, and it's easy to tear wings off at low alt. And since sticking the FB in my name, I've been more accurate I feel like.
If perks and availability were no factor? The 262. Can't beat the sheer ownage of 500mph deck speed and an almost 10k zoom climb.
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P-40:
It's an underdog in almost every engagement.
It can't run.
It can't climb.
It's difficult to see out of.
It draws red guys like a tractor beam.
It looks badass with a shark mouth.
And it is the most fun plane to fly.
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giglefarts.
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Because winning a turnfight is satisfying ... look at dat big oval cowling . Muhmmmmm uh! Or and I compensate from having a small noodle.
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Because winning a turnfight is satisfying ... look at dat big oval cowling . Muhmmmmm uh! Or and I compensate from having a small noodle.
frenchy didnt you post a pic of your girl that like skinny, yummy and pretty. that is one ugly fat pos you fly :).
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P-40:
It's an underdog in almost every engagement.
It can't run.
It can't climb.
It's difficult to see out of.
It draws red guys like a tractor beam.
It looks badass with a shark mouth.
And it is the most fun plane to fly.
:aok Its sad but in the way the game works the P-40 is the worst plane to fly, u cannot even outturn the faster planes.
When someone wins a tour flying only P-40 he will be the unchallenged master of Aces High.
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So far, I'd say the Seafire IIC. A great turn fighter, efficient armament, handle's well at high speeds, and carrier-based, saving me some fuel for a good duration(depending on fuel burn rate.).
Followed by the A6M2, though an all great low-turn fighter, it stresses easily at high speeds from the light armor it carries, and easily flammable. Also carrier-based.
Then the P40B. It may not hit hard or be a great turn fighter, but it can do well if you treat her right.
La5. Good in terms of speed and armament, but it easily gathers too much speed when in turn fights and have to use my flaps.
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It varies from week to week :aok
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:aok Its sad but in the way the game works the P-40 is the worst plane to fly, u cannot even outturn the faster planes.
When someone wins a tour flying only P-40 he will be the unchallenged master of Aces High.
The P-40 and winning a tour are mutually exclusive concepts. :D
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/26/article-0-13CD07CA000005DC-847_964x618.jpg)
Because winning a turnfight is satisfying ... look at dat big oval cowling . Muhmmmmm uh! Or and I compensate from having a small noodle.
Drool. I mean the plane, not your mini-noodle. :)
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P-47D-25 Because big girls need loving too.
C.202 Because it's Italian and underutilized.
C.205 When the 202 is being bullied.
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In Aces High
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I think everyone already knows this but....
109F4 because it is simply the best fighter in the skies! It handles like a dream and it looks like one beautiful and mean fighter! :devil
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C.202 Because it's Italian and underutilized.
C.205 When the 202 is being bullied.
At first, I was thinking, "But wait, isn't the 202 the older brother in this?," but after another thought, I thought that the 202 was the sister getting bullied at school by whoever, then calls her brother, the 205, to beat up her bullies. :grin:
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What are u flying and why?
202 most times, because it's the best flying plane in the game. I use the two-gun option because I get confused with the different trajectories of the four-gun option.
On rare occasions, when people are flying Brewsters or Zekes or the like, I'll grab my old first love, the Hurri I.
Most times, though, I enjoy switching planes. There are so many nice planes in this game, I don't know why someone would want to get wedded to just one or two.
- oldman
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The King of the Aces High skies the Mighty P39 Airacobra!
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Spit IX
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The P-39 of course...
It flies in style and if you treat it right, it can do work
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(http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb300/20070716/Historic-Russian-World-War-Medium-Tank-381746.jpg)
T-34/85
My favorite ride.
It will kill any heavy armored tank with a hit to the sweet spot. (HVAP close range)
It has good speed at 32 mph
It will climb almost any hill (in reverse).
And it will main gun any plane that comes in low. (It's turret goes higher than any tank with the exception of the 76 version)
Has a low profile and is extremely difficult to roll over.
The angled armor deflects allot of shots that come in high.
AH recently raised its perk value.
:salute
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P38L aside from it being my favorite bird of all time. The guns rock and if you fly it right it will BnZ at 500+ or turn with alot of planes...if you know what your doing.
P47D11 just cause.
And the 110C is growing on me as of late.
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In AH my favorite plane is the 109g14.
1. It is slightly fast enough to have a chance.
2. I can out turn most planes a 1v1 or at least have a great fight.
3. Still a challenging ride and doesn't do anything great.
4. Suits my style of slash attack
In real life, it either comes down to the P47 or the F4U.
The P47 looks soo beautiful and the F4U was just an awesome plane all around!
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B-17G Gunship
Im flying these 17's like they are C-130 Gunships. They are perfect for base defense. I am able to clear the air of enemy cons and dispatch of any gv's. Have saved several bases with the 25% 12-500 lb setup. Usually rack up 3-10 kills on one of these runs.
Can take 17's in around 8-10k and shut down a base and clear enemy cons, finish off a town if needed, and deack with the guns. Been a few times ill miss on a hanger while defending against interceptors so ill just drop to the deck and finish the remaining hangers with the 50cals.
Love taking a set of these buffs into furballs. Rarely do I survive but these babies can go up against 5-7 vs 1.
2nd closest thing to God Mode in this game. If you see the black 17's defending the base you are attacking or see them high above your strat/base and its a rook.... expect a FineTime!
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My leading two aircraft are the P-38J, C.202 and the SBD
These two aircraft are honest rides and they have always given me full satisfaction after every sortie even if I died a couragous death.
There is absolutely nothing like fighting 2-20 vs. 1 in a SBD and actually having the ability to score a kill or live long enough to score proxies when enemies auger from frustration or impatience.
C.202 always put a big fat smile on my face when I get the chance to kill twitfires in it. It has also given me many fond memories in dueling encounters with friendly folk wishing to have a nice long sporty fight.
But when it comes down to it my favorite ride of all is the P-38J... The 38J is the ride I have neglected for a very long time by not taking her out the of hanger more often. Many of the sorties where I would normally roll her have been replaced by the 109G-6... I owe 90% of my ACM and JABO education to that ride simply because it has always been that honest universal ride for me. If there was any plane a new user should try, is this plane.
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My favorite plane has to be the F4U-1(BirdCage)
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It looks awesome, and its awful power loading means its not nearly as dweeby as the other Hogs. for 25-ENY it has a good gun-package, Excellent maneuverability, good top speed, Great dive, it Can take a few hits. It's really just one of the best planes for perk farming.
My number 2 has to be the P40C
(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r561/folanjohnp1/P40C-A6M2_zps4267543d.png)
It would certainly be my main ride in the Early and Mid War arena if anyone flew in those. It's gun-package is actually pretty good and makes relatively quick work of most of the smaller fighter. It handles very nicely from 200-350 mphs, it rolls well, and it can take a hit. I love the flying tiger skin and its one of the most satisfying things when you drop someone while flying a P40C. It teaches good SA Because it really doesn't do anything better than the Late War rides, which forces you to fly smart if you want to have any level of success.
Number 3 is a tough one, I'm torn between
The TA152
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The P47N
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Its always been a wet dream of mine to have some sort of scenario where these two high altitude titans face off. I fly them the same way usually, although I tend to be a little more aggressive in the P47. Both are great at buff hunting and Capping/fighter sweeping. When I want to fly a Late War plane, these are usually my go-to's.
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My Favorite plane is the KI84. She is beautiful and just flies how i want a plane to fly. My second choice would be the F4u-1.
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My Favorite plane is the KI84. She is beautiful and just flies how i want a plane to fly. My second choice would be the F4u-1.
ok so you aint half bad :D
same as Rud I very much enjoy the Ki84
why you ask...
well it is a fighting mans plane.....it is tough as nails, it can TnB with the best of them, climbs like a rapped ape....the one thing it lacks is High speed running away ability...which is not what a fighting man does....
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/02.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/02.jpg.html)
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Spitfire! :D
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HOrricane ! 25% fuel on capped, vulched bases: lots of fun :banana: :x :banana:
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P38 hands down
good at everything, and draws in plenty of red guys.
warming up for the upcoming scenario in the spit9 also, that is one nasty ride, in a good way.
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Deh Brewster
Only for the leet
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Ive been drawn to the KI-84 for awhiles now. I dont play much anymore but that fighter gives me confidence. Other then that its the Yaks tho I really should give the LA-5 more time.
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HOrricane ! 25% fuel on capped, vulched bases: lots of fun :banana: :x :banana:
GHI :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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Ive been drawn to the KI-84 for awhiles now. I dont play much anymore but that fighter gives me confidence. Other then that its the Yaks tho I really should give the LA-5 more time.
:headscratch:
why down grade to la
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:D
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La7.......
Or maybe now
Yak3..........
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Just for info: any plane that can be affected by ENY is a noob ride. :D
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My first love is the 38,always will be
That said, my favorite ride is the KI-61. A bird I feel comfortable taking on anything in.
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:old:
Yak3 - Turns just enough to get shots off on the stall fighters, builds E almost instantaneously, and can run down the careless pony et al with only a small E advantage.
TBM - It has a bomb sight, rockets, and two forward firing 50s with which to vulch.
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Howdy MrMag00 didn't know you were in the BBS...... <S> my friend :cheers:
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There is nothing more feared than the Spit XVI which is why it's my favourite ride.
Although it's probably the hardest plane to master and certainly the most undermodelled in game the effort to work with it matches the rewards.
You can always choose what everyone sees as the "easy rides" or "trainer aircraft" in Aces High like the 109 series or 190 series or what everyone sees as the "baby planes" which are the P38 series, but if you have the mettle and the determination the Spitfires are rewarding.
They're not for everyone, and be prepared for a lot of comments like "you're flying a Spit XVI, you must be married to a supermodel" and also most opponents just bailing before the fight and PMing you with "<S>, I knew I couldn't kill you, you're in a Spit XVI", but one learns to cope.
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There is nothing more feared than the Spit XVI which is why it's my favourite ride.
Although it's probably the hardest plane to master and certainly the most undermodelled in game the effort to work with it matches the rewards.
You can always choose what everyone sees as the "easy rides" or "trainer aircraft" in Aces High like the 109 series or 190 series or what everyone sees as the "baby planes" which are the P38 series, but if you have the mettle and the determination the Spitfires are rewarding.
They're not for everyone, and be prepared for a lot of comments like "you're flying a Spit XVI, you must be married to a supermodel" and also most opponents just bailing before the fight and PMing you with "<S>, I knew I couldn't kill you, you're in a Spit XVI", but one learns to cope.
:rofl :aok
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There is nothing more feared than the Spit XVI which is why it's my favourite ride.
Although it's probably the hardest plane to master and certainly the most undermodelled in game the effort to work with it matches the rewards.
You can always choose what everyone sees as the "easy rides" or "trainer aircraft" in Aces High like the 109 series or 190 series or what everyone sees as the "baby planes" which are the P38 series, but if you have the mettle and the determination the Spitfires are rewarding.
They're not for everyone, and be prepared for a lot of comments like "you're flying a Spit XVI, you must be married to a supermodel" and also most opponents just bailing before the fight and PMing you with "<S>, I knew I couldn't kill you, you're in a Spit XVI", but one learns to cope.
:aok :cheers:
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The P-38, the sound both as they do a low flyby and inside as well. They are not the best at anything but good at everything.
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There is nothing more feared than the Spit XVI which is why it's my favourite ride.
I suggest that Threeup wins the Three Wolf Moon T-shirt prize.
Congratulations, sir, well done!
- oldman
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spitty16s are tough to fly you gotta be a master to even turn them. I like my easy mode 38 :)
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P38J for general fun
P38L for JABO
P38G when the base is being vulched. :old:
LtngRydr
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There is nothing more feared than the Spit XVI which is why it's my favourite ride.
Although it's probably the hardest plane to master and certainly the most undermodelled in game the effort to work with it matches the rewards.
You can always choose what everyone sees as the "easy rides" or "trainer aircraft" in Aces High like the 109 series or 190 series or what everyone sees as the "baby planes" which are the P38 series, but if you have the mettle and the determination the Spitfires are rewarding.
They're not for everyone, and be prepared for a lot of comments like "you're flying a Spit XVI, you must be married to a supermodel" and also most opponents just bailing before the fight and PMing you with "<S>, I knew I couldn't kill you, you're in a Spit XVI", but one learns to cope.
LMAO That is so untrue...LOL!!! SpitXVI is like the easiest thing to fly.
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Mine would be the A6M3-32. Love the roll and climb rate. Second would be the Ki-61 followed by anything else with a meatball on it :cheers:
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There are too many fine planes to chose from that I could name a single favourite.
Only if it were just about beauty, there would be only one choice: The Ta-152H spreads its wings like an angle :old:
an angle huh..... well it is your second, or is it your 3rd language? :D
Does British English still count for a language? :bolt:
On topic, I agree with Lusche/Snailman on the difficulty of the selection. It is a rock-paper-scissors dilemma.
1. Yak 9U all around. Fast, small, excellent visibility, good acceleration.
2. Ki-43 for slow, low turn fights.
3. FW 190A-8 for bomber killing; though, the Me 410 with extra 20mms is a strong second.
4. Tu-2S for bomb**** runs.
5. B-26 formation for bombing. Copious tail gun ammo.
6. Cruiser guns for cv killing.
7. M3 with supplies, because I am gv challenged.
8. P-40C for the AVG skin.
People who don't go through the hangar for a different ride once in a while are missing out on a lot of what Aces High has to offer.
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The 51 just has the perfect combination of characteristics, in my opinion; extremely high speed, unparalleled visibility, solid and accurate gun package, very large fuel supply, and high speed flaps that can catch even some of the best turners in the game off guard when you cut inside of them.
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LMAO That is so untrue...LOL!!! SpitXVI is like the easiest thing to fly.
Sarcasm and Irony - make them your friends and you'll never left wanting.
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:airplane: :airplane: :airplane: Your Mom....and my D-40!!!!! :airplane: :airplane: :airplane:
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Agree with INK on Ki...one of my favorites.
Another would be F6. It don't climb well, it's not very fast, you can't see very well out the rear, it don't turn as well as some planes, it's been nutered by HT and knowing that, every enemy that see's you wants to kill you 1st. There are few that fly them well. (http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/A8TOOL/ahlogo-5.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/A8TOOL/media/ahlogo-5.jpg.html)
Love the FM2 too.
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k4. Speed to run people down and the KO power to finish them off.
c202. Sweet performing little plane. Really fun to fight outnumbered in.
51d. such a stable platform, can "turn" well enough to produce shots to win a fight against true turn fighters.
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F4U-1A. Doesn't climb real well but it's fast, dives well, stall fights well, and has a decent ammo load.
I flew the F6 quite a bit yesterday. That's probably my second favorite.
For bombers I like the 17s, very rugged. I also like the 26s. They are so fast that it's hard to get a good angle on them except in a very fast plane.
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giglefarts.
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Watch it youngster...thats all I will say.. :evil: :evil:
LAwndart
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109 F. Just cuz.
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Since you asked...
There is no better AH combat experience that getting a kill in a P-40. No amount of perks or score can come close to equaling it.
Secondly the F6. Flown right it is a lazer beam of death. Really. A precision killing machine. Once you really figure it out it is hard to fly anything else. Greebo is so right.
EDIT: Notice I said the F6 is a precision killing machine NOT dogfighter. You dont fly it like a Spit. It is designed to kill things really efficiently. It will leave many dead Spit and LA pilots whining that you did not fight on their terms.
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Since you asked...
There is no better AH combat experience that getting a kill in a P-40. No amount of perks or score can come close to equaling it.
Secondly the F6. Flown right it is a lazer beam of death. Really. A precision killing machine. Once you really figure it out it is hard to fly anything else. Greebo is so right.
EDIT: Notice I said the F6 is a precision killing machine NOT dogfighter. You dont fly it like a Spit. It is designed to kill things really efficiently. It will leave many dead Spit and LA pilots whining that you did not fight on their terms.
:airplane: Guess I look at it differently than most: I like the good ole B-17, it rains death from the sky, and has the guns to kill any Nat's that threaten its existence being where it is at the moment!!
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P-38J. For me, there is no other plane that provides the fun and enjoyment than the Lightning and it's always a challenge to fight in it.
ack-ack
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TA152. An alt monkey's dream. Fuel for days, and it fires nothing but cannons, 2 20's and 1 30. Just a couple of pings, then BLAMMO !
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TA152. An alt monkey's dream. Fuel for days, and it fires nothing but cannons, 2 20's and 1 30. Just a couple of pings, then BLAMMO !
What I have been flying . Starting to fall in love with this plane .
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TA152. An alt monkey's dream. Fuel for days, and it fires nothing but cannons, 2 20's and 1 30. Just a couple of pings, then BLAMMO !
We need maps with more high Alt bases so planes like this can shine. And the Jugs, and the 109s, and the 51s, and all the other turbo'ed. Im not talking anything crazy here but maps that had 8 to 10K bases strategically based would be fun. Nothing is more fun the working turbo'ed B & Z'ers up and down the air column.
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Agree with INK on Ki...one of my favorites.
Another would be F6. It don't climb well, it's not very fast, you can't see very well out the rear, it don't turn as well as some planes, it's been nutered by HT and knowing that, every enemy that see's you wants to kill you 1st. There are few that fly them well. (http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/A8TOOL/ahlogo-5.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/A8TOOL/media/ahlogo-5.jpg.html)
Love the FM2 too.
nice pic of the Ki :rock
but damn dude that Fm shot is just over the top with awesomeness :rock :rock
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Agreed, that Hellcat pic is SICK!! :aok :aok
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giglefarts.
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you can ride on the tail end.....so you can get the full effect....then its a lawn dart straight down....if you can still breathe
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Thanks Ink and Bailey but I did not make it. It's from many years ago...wish I could remember who.
The pic of the Ki was from a 7 kill run directly after landing. Think it had 32 holes in it if I remember right. Mostly 303's from a spit who I ran outta cannon. I had no ammo and hardly any gas but made it home.
Anyone can change their screen title by renaming the pic they want to see to AHLOGO.JPG in the AH folder.
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(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/A8TOOL/555/777/ueprogress.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/A8TOOL/media/555/777/ueprogress.jpg.html)
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Thanks Ink and Bailey but I did not make it. It's from many years ago...wish I could remember who.
The pic of the Ki was from a 7 kill run directly after landing. Think it had 32 holes in it if I remember right. Mostly 303's from a spit who I ran outta cannon. I had no ammo and hardly any gas but made it home.
Anyone can change their screen title by renaming the pic they want to see to AHLOGO.JPG in the AH folder.
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/A8TOOL/555/777/HEHE1.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/A8TOOL/media/555/777/HEHE1.jpg.html)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/A8TOOL/555/777/ueprogress.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/A8TOOL/media/555/777/ueprogress.jpg.html)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/A8TOOL/555/777/ZZ7.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/A8TOOL/media/555/777/ZZ7.jpg.html)
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/A8TOOL/555/777/stukaraid0749ke6.jpg) (http://s265.photobucket.com/user/A8TOOL/media/555/777/stukaraid0749ke6.jpg.html)
hey where did you get that top pic?
IIRC that is me in the Fighter Ace Hurri. :headscratch:
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It could possibly be from the same guy who did the F6 for me. I bet you know him but I can't tell you who he is. Pics are from 2008 probably 9
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I created that pic :aok
I did a couple like that...that one and an F4U
:D wife dont like looking at em...gets her dizzy haha
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I think everyone already knows this but....
109F4 because it is simply the best fighter in the skies! It handles like a dream and it looks like one beautiful and mean fighter! :devil
Close, but I must go with the F4U-1A. It does everything well.
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I'd also like to throw in the B-25H. I have just as much flying that plane as I do the P-38J, maybe it's the 75mm cannon or the shark's mouth Chinese skin but whatever it is, it's a blast to fly.
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I created that pic :aok
I did a couple like that...that one and an F4U
:D wife dont like looking at em...gets her dizzy haha
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/F4zoom.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/F4zoom.jpg.html)
That's Awesome ink , my new screen saver ...
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No other choice for my fAV ride.
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The P-38J of course. Jack of all trades and almost a master of a few. :rock
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LA7 because LA7!
190D
Next tour I will probably fly the Yak3...It's a love/hate thing.
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Ki67. Of course. :)
It's very fast for a bomber, climbs well, flies well at high alt, handles damage better than a lot of players give it credit for, and has some pretty lethal defensive guns. And, although some fighters carry more ords than this bomber does, its bombs are numerous enough (8 100kg or 15 50kg) to take out some very strategic targets.
They're awfully fun to hunt enemy buffs in, too. :)
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I used to swear by the Spit5, but more recently, the Ki43. It's slower than almost everything except a Stuka, has limited ammo and only 2 50 cals, but it'll turn around twice in the same time/space as even other turn fighters will turn once. At least it feels that way.
Getting mobbed, it can be very elusive, 1v1 against a good E fighter, you're in big trouble, fortunately though most of the rest of the MA can't seem to resist trying to turn fight with it after a couple of misses doing BnZ on it (again, it's elusive), and once that happens, it's easy to start poking little 50 cal holes and hoping something falls off.
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bf-109-K4
1) Get to high bandits quickly...I'm too impatient for long climb outs.
2) Chase down all the runners. I love that moment when the Pony realizes he can't out run you and is forced to make a move...usually his last.
3) 30mm Boom Boom. There are no survivors of a hit from the big gun.
P-39
1) Beautiful looking aircraft.
2) Very agile while its got a little E.
3) Connecting with the 37mm is one of the game's big thrills.
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3) Connecting with the 37mm is one of the game's big thrills.
Not when you've already missed 26 times :bhead
But yea a well placed shot in the P39 is orgasmic.
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Not when you've already missed 26 times :bhead
But yea a well placed shot in the P39 is orgasmic.
Exactly! :bhead then :x
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110G2 because it's a challenge, I stall fight it, I bomber hunt in it, I bomb**** GVs in it and deack in it. It will kill a cruiser with guns only. Most of all, because it's hard to dogfight in, and easy planes mean nothing to get kills in.
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110G2 because it's a challenge, I stall fight it, I bomber hunt in it, I bomb**** GVs in it and deack in it. It will kill a cruiser with guns only. Most of all, because it's hard to dogfight in, and easy planes mean nothing to get kills in.
p39 will do all of that while still looking sexy :ahand
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The B-26 because it breaths fire out its ass.....
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p39 will do all of that while still looking sexy :ahand
Give the 110 a graphics upda
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FW 190-F8
The load out is versatile. It's fun for;
-Hit ships with the SAP bomb. Salvo 6 the rockets into ships.
-De-ak with 12 rockets, then tear it up with fighters
-Vulchification situations
-tank kills with the anti-tank rockets (12!) are very satisfying. These AP rockets will kill any tank with one hit.
-I use the GP bombs against tanks, and the SAP against ships and buildings.
-the (4)kg 50 bombs can be handy for bunkers and barracks.
It's also got extra armor, more than the other 190s.
The 'metal' skin is pissah.
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I'd also like to throw in the B-25H. I have just as much flying that plane as I do the P-38J, maybe it's the 75mm cannon or the shark's mouth Chinese skin but whatever it is, it's a blast to fly.
We used to run B-25H missions in the 484'th when the plane first came out. To much fun.
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Yeah the KI-84 is probably my favorite plane right now, what little I play. It has some Legs which is nice.
I'll tellya another over achiever and thats the C-205. Ive been out of one for to long and I think its been used far to little for its performance. It, the 38J, the KI-84, and maybe one each of the 109s and 190s are probably the kings of the 20 eny+ club.
:headscratch:
why down grade to la
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:D
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my favorite ride?
your sister... :neener:
too easy!
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my favorite ride?
your sister... :neener:
too easy!
Yay bunnnies is alive! Give the crab a hug!
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Hayabusa.
Why?
I feel really invulnerable fighting in this plane and it's got the greatest official soundtrack (for a plane) ever :salute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS12isLjS5w
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my favorite ride?
your sister... :neener:
too easy!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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P39 outclasses the ki84 in all aspects that matter in a dogfight :devil.
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the P39 is also more Erotic and masculine :neener:
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P39 outclasses the ki84 in all aspects that matter in a dogfight :devil.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
sorry for laughing at you, but never once have I thought...Oh no....a P39...this is gonna be tough. ;)
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"Your confidence will be your undoing"
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
sorry for laughing at you, but never once have I thought...Oh no....a P39...this is gonna be tough. ;)
its all about how good lookin you look while crashing into the ground. Which my p39 has you far outclassed :cheers: and i got a bigger gun :ahand
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"Your confidence will be your undoing"
listen I dont talk to the one destroying Aces High...........
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :neener: :neener: :neener: :cheers:
its all about how good lookin you look while crashing into the ground. Which my p39 has you far outclassed :cheers: and i got a bigger gun :ahand
:rofl :cheers:
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listen I dont talk to the one destroying Aces High...........
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :neener: :neener: :neener: :cheers:
:rofl :cheers:
*Raises wrinkly White finger* "If you will not be turned" *Raises hands* "Than you will be DESTROYED!" *TICKLES INK INTO SUBMISSION* :banana:
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nothing is safe while the Deaths Head is around :devil
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*Raises wrinkly White finger* "If you will not be turned" *Raises hands* "Than you will be DESTROYED!" *TICKLES INK INTO SUBMISSION* :banana:
do I look ticklish.... :t
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then i shall lock you up in my chambers like others who have resisted the tickling
nothing is safe while the Deaths Head is around :devil
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/163_kill_zps4f320dff.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/163_kill_zps4f320dff.jpg.html)
do I look ticklish.... :t
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/papa_zpse9fac1df.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/papa_zpse9fac1df.jpg.html)
(http://blog.japanalicious.com/images/japanese-love-hotels/kitty.jpg)
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then i shall lock you up in my chambers like others who have resisted the tickling
(http://blog.japanalicious.com/images/japanese-love-hotels/kitty.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :ahand
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I would tickle him. I got magic fingers bra!
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sorry INK but like i said p39 > Ki84
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh499/zedocbarnaby/Death%20of%20the%20ki84_zps1gqfcodi.png)
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sorry INK but like i said p39 > Ki84
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh499/zedocbarnaby/Death%20of%20the%20ki84_zps1gqfcodi.png)
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh499/zedocbarnaby/Death%20of%20the%20ki842_zpskswx4k53.png)
Last full tour the K/D ratio of the Ki-84 to the P-39 (both versions combined) was 23 to 9. Sorry, Ki-84 is vastly superior to the P-39.
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See Rule #4
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Come on Raynos, that is not acceptable sir.
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One's response to other people is what gives value, or lack thereof, of that person to others. As such responses such as that say very much about he or she that says it and nothing at all about the person who they are saying it to.
Your post reveals the low person you are.
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Let's be honest; the 205 is the sexiest plane in the game. With its sleek Italian design, it's the Ferrari of the AH world.
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INK man you look nothing like how you voice sounds in game. I think our vox sounds weird, maybe i have a toejamty sound card too.
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sorry INK but like i said p39 > Ki84
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh499/zedocbarnaby/Death%20of%20the%20ki84_zps1gqfcodi.png)
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh499/zedocbarnaby/Death%20of%20the%20ki842_zpskswx4k53.png)
:neener:
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh499/zedocbarnaby/3344934_zpsqwtjvhef.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
INK man you look nothing like how you voice sounds in game. I think our vox sounds weird, maybe i have a toejamty sound card too.
:rofl
someone recently said something similar although he said from your pic I expected you to sound like Lemy.... :rofl
I thought Raynos's post was great....very good Humor right there... :aok
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Let's be honest; the 205 is the sexiest plane in the game. With its sleek Italian design, it's the Ferrari of the AH world.
205 is a pig. Should be named il Porcellino.
Now if you're talking elegant, you're talking 202.
- oldman
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P-38. Jack of all trades.
If not the Lightning, I would fly the Mosquito.
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205 is a pig. Should be named il Porcellino.
Now if you're talking elegant, you're talking 202.
- oldman
You mean the Huracán to the La Ferrari?
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Guess some people here can't take a joke
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Thanks for the opinion manual! My dad and friends will enjoy it.
"Dry paint: do not touch"
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(http://helios.augustana.edu/~kla/web_SAVE/pics/b25h_another_underneath.jpg)
The always trusty B-25H. Those MGs will tear apart anyone who thinks their tough enough to go head on at you, and the 75mm cannon will put a lot of ground vehicles out of action.
Always got me back home on a bad run.
Plus, shes beautiful ;)
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p47D11: she is my perk farmer to feed my 262 addiction.
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The problem with this game is there are so many great planes your favorites can change weekly.
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The problem with this game is there are so many great planes your favorites can change weekly.
Yep. it's easy to be fickle with so many to choose from. :aok
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No more explanation needed !
(http://cdn1.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2009/8/16/57881.jpg)
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Land Fighter: Yak-3... just great balance of all
Interceptor: Ta-152 - it says it all.
Bomber: Mosquito XVI - just to get the job done... and hell I don't know to Gun... Ar-234 is nice as well.
Naval Fighter: F4U-1A/D... just only plane that can do something useful at MA.
Naval Bomber: B5N - truly underestimated bomber.
Favorite ride in a scenarios/events: F4F (for pacific) and Hurricane I for (BoB)
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It may not be the best plane in the game but I like the 109F-4. It is a pure dog fighter and can fly much better than I can give it justice. Just for attack I like the P-51D and use it more than any other plane.. :aok
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For me it will always be the Spitfires........the Mk IX in particular w/ the Mk VIII in close second (when I want to bomb something as well as dogfight)...........
I just LOVE them!!!!!!!!!!!
:salute
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hehehehe any plane that gets me a kill and home safe on the same sortie.
. current list of favs spit 16 ,8 ,9 ,5 p51d ,p47-25 p47m f6f f4u ,niki, ki84. fw190 8 109-k4 brew.
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Nothing brings me more joy than shooting down your dweebfire in a KI43.
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hehehehe any plane that gets me a kill and home safe on the same sortie.
. current list of favs spit 16 ,8 ,9 ,5 p51d ,p47-25 p47m f6f f4u ,niki, ki84. fw190 8 109-k4 brew.
I see a huge problem (overlooking the brew) theres no p39 on that list! :devil
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lol ray i tried to fly that 1 time after reading a post from you .sure has some nice guns and sure makes a nice drill bit ,but 1 of these days
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No one has mentioned the C205...
Hmm maybe this tour I'll attempt dominate the skies in that beast. :joystick:
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I like the M8....get her up to 60 and launch off the cliff.....she'll fly.
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No one has mentioned the C205...
Hmm maybe this tour I'll attempt dominate the skies in that beast. :joystick:
Oh but we have. We've determined that the C.2's are the Ferraris of the AH world. No matter how old, fat, and despicable you are as a person, flying one automatically makes you the envy of everyone within icon range.
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Oh but we have. We've determined that the C.2's are the Ferraris of the AH world. No matter how old, fat, and despicable you are as a person, flying one automatically makes you the envy of everyone within icon range.
The plane doesn't have a lot a credit. IMO, it is one of the most balanced planes in terms of handling. It is a ki61 to a spitfire as a C205 is to a P51. It isnt quite "there". It can't out turn much unless you really know how to turn, and even still you can't out turn the real turners. I found out during FSO that it simply won't climb higher than american planes in terms of total attitude. I'd say it is one of the most difficult planes to learn in aceshigh and it takes a major understanding of the plane and AH to be successful in it. In 9 years of AH I've never seen anyone claim it as their plane.
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The plane doesn't have a lot a credit. IMO, it is one of the most balanced planes in terms of handling. It is a ki61 to a spitfire as a C205 is to a P51. It isnt quite "there". It can't out turn much unless you really know how to turn, and even still you can't out turn the real turners. I found out during FSO that it simply won't climb higher than american planes in terms of total attitude. I'd say it is one of the most difficult planes to learn in aceshigh and it takes a major understanding of the plane and AH to be successful in it. In 9 years of AH I've never seen anyone claim it as their plane.
That's because it is a pig.
- oldman
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That's because it is a pig.
- oldman
Well that escalated quickly :rofl
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That's because it is a pig.
- oldman
Well that escalated quickly :rofl
Haha, well it essentially is. It does everything moderately average. It's dive speed and guns are the best asset to the plane. The only real way to fly it is much like a timid P51 you see flying around. You have to very good at predicting moves and setups, which is why you have have to understand the game and how planes fly in AH in order to be successful in it. Not to mention the birdcage views you get. But it is a great challenge for experienced players to say the least.
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Haha, well it essentially is. It does everything moderately average. It's dive speed and guns are the best asset to the plane. The only real way to fly it is much like a timid P51 you see flying around. You have to very good at predicting moves and setups, which is why you have have to understand the game and how planes fly in AH in order to be successful in it. Not to mention the birdcage views you get. But it is a great challenge for experienced players to say the least.
You are underselling the 205 a bit. It is best used for BnZ attacks but it does have some roll rate agility and a strong climb rate. A nice bomber interceptor/base defender. It can't turn with Spits, but neither can most of the plane set.
Film of a C.205 vs Spit IX fight:
http://www38.zippyshare.com/v/v793RUK2/file.html
The 205 doesn't seem like a pig in this one.
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I'm not even sure which download to click on and I surely do not want a virus but I am giving it just enough credit, but it really doesn't deserve that much, here is why:
1. If pilot A is a really great pilot vs Pilot B who doesn't have the same grasp, and Pilot A in a c205 may win the fight vs a spit.
2. If pilot A is a really great pilot vs Pilot B who doesn't have the same grasp, and Pilot A is flying a spit, Pilot A will crush pilot B regardless of the plane.
3. If pilot A is a good stick vs Pilot B who is also a good stick, and pilot A is flying the C205 vs pilot B in the spit, the spit will crush pilot A.
Even a C205 pilot who is a very good stick, The C205, no matter how hard you try, vs another good stick in a p38, ki84, 109, Spit, or any other plane that can out turns those, will simply not perform better. on top of all that, in FSO you cant even get the alt advantage over American planes which puts it at a big disadvantage. This would be one of the last planes I would as a base defense.
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I'm not even sure which download to click on and I surely do not want a virus but I am giving it just enough credit, but it really doesn't deserve that much, here is why:
1. If pilot A is a really great pilot vs Pilot B who doesn't have the same grasp, and Pilot A in a c205 may win the fight vs a spit.
2. If pilot A is a really great pilot vs Pilot B who doesn't have the same grasp, and Pilot A is flying a spit, Pilot A will crush pilot B regardless of the plane.
3. If pilot A is a good stick vs Pilot B who is also a good stick, and pilot A is flying the C205 vs pilot B in the spit, the spit will crush pilot A.
Even a C205 pilot who is a very good stick, The C205, no matter how hard you try, vs another good stick in a p38, ki84, 109, Spit, or any other plane that can out turns those, will simply not perform better. on top of all that, in FSO you cant even get the alt advantage over American planes which puts it at a big disadvantage. This would be one of the last planes I would as a base defense.
As for the film, your #3 scenario probably fits it best, except for nobody getting "crushed". You could plug any number of planes into those scenarios in place of the 205 and come out with similar results. The Spit is much better but that doesn't make the 205 a turd, when so many other planes are outclassed by the Spit as well.
From Soda's AH aircraft evaluation synopsis: The C.205 really is quite a reasonable plane and I don't think it gets even a portion of the credit that it is due. In the hands of a reasonable pilot a C.205 can make life very difficult for most opponents. Nothing there about needing to be a great pilot.
For the calendar year 2014:
Spit IX K/D+1 1.01 (27,910/27,438)
C.205 K/D+1 1.13 (16,359/14,467)
Seems like a more survivable option than the Spit. And from personal experience I have had a good deal of success using the 205 for base defense. And by base defense, I don't mean upping into a crowd of vulchers.
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I understand DmonSlyr's point on the 205. You really have to have your plan laid out to use it effectively, it's one of those planes that once you get it into a bad situation it's sometimes very difficult to get it out of it. Unlike some planes that are very good in one category such as a K4, or a A6M, which can use this to their advantage to get themselves out of trouble. The 205 on the defensive doesn't have any super strong options unless it's got some alt to dive away from something that can't dive with it. Offensively it's a strong performer with a great gun package. The key is to keep it on the attack.
As for the original idea of this thread the F4U-1A is my primarily favorite ride (nobody knew that though, right). It's versatility in both being on the offensive and defensive is great. It's offensive ability in high dive speed, good top speed, good gun package, make it a formidable foe. Defensively it's ability to reverse attackers, I think is far above average with it's high roll rate and extremely effective rudder and flaps. It's main drawbacks being acceleration and climb. Improve on these two aspects and you have the 4 hog which most consider the best prop plane in the game.
The 109G2 comes in my second spot, as I think it's the best rounded of the 109 series personally.
The A20 comes in 3rd, as it's simply fun to horse that big bird around and take on fighters that didn't realize what and whom they took on until it's too late.
:salute
BigRat
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Once got #1 rank in fighters for a tour and the majority of the kills were in a C.205 while P-38J came close second.
It was a gem to fly for a few tours; I actually learned to out fight mustangs, and at 15k it runs smooth at 400mph with a great climb rate.
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I said it was a very balanced plane. It fly's very smooth and does feel very stable, however, once you lose the BnZ advantage, the plane will not perform as well as many of the others. It just won't. It doesn't roll or climb like a 190 due to stall speed, it doesn't out turn a P51 or a yak or 109, yet each of these planes will catch it. As bagrat said, once the plane is caught, it is disastrous to fight in, which makes it a fun challenge and all difficult to fly. The stall rate/and mediocre speed alone is what makes it very difficult to fly and be successful in.
It really doesn't desearve that much credit. In the overall scheme of things, it is not that effective of a plane.
BTW Bagrat, the Ahog is also one of my favorites in the game. It really does well in both the attack and defense, and if you can get in and out of the furball to regain alt, you can be very effective in it. I do enjoy turning it to the fullest extent. It really does outclass most planes.
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I said it was a very balanced plane. It fly's very smooth and does feel very stable, however, once you lose the BnZ advantage, the plane will not perform as well as many of the others. It just won't.
So, in light of my previous comment, I thought to myself, "Oldman, why don't you get into one of those 205s and fly it for awhile? It's been some time since you formed your opinion." Took it up in Midwar. Flew it against a variety of planes, mostly piloted by younger folks. I confess that it is not a Poland China hog, but it is still a pig compared to its sibling the 202.
Now the 202...
I met a lady in the meades,
Full beautiful, a fairy's child;
Her hair was long, her foot was light,
And her eyes were wild.
Oldman (channeling Keats)
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ummm DmonSlyr..., it's BigRat :rofl
:salute
BigRat
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I know guys that flies the c205 very well. PotnPans flies it really well also Selino30.
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My favorite is the Mosquito Mk VI. I'm not going to pompously tell you (lie to you) that it is the best or anything, I just like it. It has some significant strengths and significant weaknesses.
As to the C.205, it is not very good really. It is fine to like it of course, but lets not pretend it is something it is not. Same for the P-39.
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Karnak is on crack p39 is the fighter plane built for the GODS! :D
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Karnak is on crack p39 is the fighter plane built for the GODS! :D
Very, very, very drunk gods.
Or actively malicious ones.
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Very, very, very drunk gods.
Or actively malicious ones.
:rofl :rofl
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Every TA152 or P47 I have run into at 30k has run away from the dread yak9.
Sometimes they run away to come back at 35k only to find me still higher.
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What do you like about the Yak9 over the 3?
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Believe it or not my favorite is still the 109F.
It just gets ripped off too often by not getting enough credit for the kills it gets. Make someone go BOOM = assist 8 out of 10 times
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I like the M8....get her up to 60 and launch off the cliff.....she'll fly.
M8 was a lot more fun when it was more effective at taking out turrets. I used to like to ride around and bushwhack incoming tanks then taking out their turrets then driving around behind then a take out their engine and leaving them on the vine to die while I drove off to do the same to the next one.
Got pretty good and running and gunning too and would drive into an oncomming mass of tanks just popping turrets left and right leaving the smoking GV to be mopped up by friendly tanks who could then be shot at and killed with near perfect impunity.
Now its just good for scouting and popping wirbles turrets
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Believe it or not my favorite is still the 109F.
It just gets ripped off too often by not getting enough credit for the kills it gets. Make someone go BOOM = assist 8 out of 10 times
Yeah 109f is a dream and that's soo true! If we could only have the gondies back!! (I know they didn't have them in real life) im sure it would be he only plane I'd fly. But 1 20 is just not enough damage.
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Yeah 109f is a dream and that's soo true! If we could only have the gondies back!! (I know they didn't have them in real life) im sure it would be he only plane I'd fly. But 1 20 is just not enough damage.
If you ever put gondolas on the 109F I will switch sides, hunt you down, and kill you constantly until you remove them. Do not disrespect the 109F in such a way. :furious :furious
:D
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What do you like about the Yak9 over the 3?
The yak9 will fly for 50 minutes after you climb to 35k or so and it still retains a bit of agility up high.
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Fighter...Pony D..Say what you want but while all can fly her only a few have mastered her.
Bomber...B-24..Without a doubt what a bomber should be..Big and ugly and a great gun platform.
Ground...Tiger.Slow mean and deadly if played right...
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If you ever put gondolas on the 109F I will switch sides, hunt you down, and kill you constantly until you remove them. Do not disrespect the 109F in such a way. :furious :furious
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Lol Latrobe. I understand in real war that 1 20 was very effective. In AH, I have to hit someone with 12 20mm to finally take them down. If it weren't for that, which helps me get picked by having to chase them longer, I wouldnt care for the gondies. But 150 20mm just doesnt do the trick for me.
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Fighter...Pony D..Say what you want but while all can fly her only a few have mastered her.
Bomber...B-24..Without a doubt what a bomber should be..Big and ugly and a great gun platform.
Ground...Tiger.Slow mean and deadly if played right...
The P51 is without a doubt the most solid plane in the game. Much like it was in the real war. The reason why most don't fly it correctly, (which I think is a good thing, but it would suck if everyone was good in them) is because they fly it like girls. Most fly it timid and zoom around all over the place, getting maybe a kill or 2 and eventually running out of gas after 45 minutes of flying. Most people who fly timidly don't do well statistically. Ironically enough, it is the plane I shoot down the most every single tour, and I don't even mean to.
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Without a doubt you are correct. It has taken me years of flying it and I am still getting the hang of her. As my skill has increased so has my confidence in just what that airframe can do. Last night 4 kills all under 2000 ft. 2 109, 1 Spit and 1 F4F all much better turners than the D. I still had 800 rds of ammo when I finally landed. Not bad if I say so myself..LOL
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You know what my fav ride was.
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Without a doubt you are correct. It has taken me years of flying it and I am still getting the hang of her. As my skill has increased so has my confidence in just what that airframe can do. Last night 4 kills all under 2000 ft. 2 109, 1 Spit and 1 F4F all much better turners than the D. I still had 800 rds of ammo when I finally landed. Not bad if I say so myself..LOL
That is how you get the most kills in the quickest period of time. Jumping in there and killing planes by putting yourself in a risky situation. If you can learn to get in and out of these situations, then you will have overall better success. You may die more at first, but the point is to get into situations where you can get the most kills the fastest, while being able to escape from the enemy. Timid flyers never engage long enough, or get down n dirty long enough to get kills and this is why their stats suffer.
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FM2 followed by the 109F
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That is how you get the most kills in the quickest period of time. Jumping in there and killing planes by putting yourself in a risky situation. If you can learn to get in and out of these situations, then you will have overall better success. You may die more at first, but the point is to get into situations where you can get the most kills the fastest, while being able to escape from the enemy. Timid flyers never engage long enough, or get down n dirty long enough to get kills and this is why their stats suffer.
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Last I checked this is a game... Diving to the deck and running home when you have lost an overwhelming advantage isn't the best way to actually get better. Fighting from a disadvantage is the best way to learn. <shrug>
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Agreed, my problem stems from rushing the situation and being to aggressive from the start. I will push for the shot before it is optimal. I tend to rush shots which put me into bad setups. I need to be a bit more patient at the start and wait and pick my shots much better. I notice when I take my time the results are far better then rushing in guns blazing...
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There are a decent number of fighters in AH that are superior as fighters to the P-51D. Bf109K-4, for example, holds almost all of the cards over the P-51D. In particular, it is faster, builds E faster and it turns tighter.
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Not true unless the speed charts are wrong the K-4 is slower by 10-15 mph until about 25,000 ft which it then gains a sizable advantage.
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From about 16,000 to 25,000 they are about dead equal in speed. Where the K-4 has the advantage is in acceleration. It has a much Higher HP to Weight ratio than the Pony D. It accelerates like a scalded cat compared to the D. That is where alot of folks think it's faster. At Anything less than 15,000 feet the Pony is faster for sure...
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There are a decent number of fighters in AH that are superior as fighters to the P-51D. Bf109K-4, for example, holds almost all of the cards over the P-51D. In particular, it is faster, builds E faster and it turns tighter.
Idk man, although the 109k is a great plane, I still think the P51 has much better overall performance than the K. All a P51 has to do is dive away with a little bit of alt to get away from the K4. The K4 cannot dive, which severely limits the potential of the aircraft. The P51 holds E better than the K, turns faster at higher speeds, and has the advantage during a high alt fight, so the tables can be turnt real quick against a 109k who kills all their speed too quickly. The 109K barely turns inside of the P51, so depending on the pilot, a good p51 stick could give a lessor skilled pilot a hard fight for a death. The P51 is much more suitable over 10K. It can dive and make a fast pass quick shot a lot more easier than a K. The bullets are much easier to shoot in the P51. The p51 is best used in the BnZ style which is the most effective and easiest way to fly in the MA if you want to stay alive. The 109 is not a BnZer and is best flown at 10k. You have a lot more worrying to do about your SA than in the P51. You have to be a good slash attacker and good aimer in the K4 which are advanced skills in AH. So I think overall the P51 is a much better all around plane than the K givin the situation.
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It all depends on your skill level.
The 109K hast more stellar performance as a fighter when you have an experienced pilot at the stick. However, the P-51 is much more 'accessible' to players with lesser skill level, it's strengths don't need so much training to be played upon (grammar?)
As I said earlier, the F4U and 109k have enormous potential once you have mastered them. But they are more difficult to master than some other fighters.
I remember when I went from La7-Ki84 to the 109K and F4U, after being so thoroughly being thrashed by them on several occasions.
It was an instant disaster, as both are so peculiar compared to what I have flown before. Much more than with the other planes I had to acquaint myself with those two on an individual base.
Just having a huge potential doesn't equal 'easy mode'
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It is also favorable to note that the P51 can carry a ton of ord and has a 50 minute gas tank with no drop tank. Which means you have a longer air time to be more patient and to gather more kills. The K4 only has about 24 minutes. Add 24 minutes with 65 bullets and you gotta be in top of it to get >4 kills without running out of either.
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DemonSlayr, that you mention diving as an escape is a measure of the K4's superiority. By diving out, you basically yield the fight, giving the K4 all the cards if you chose to come back.
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Not true unless the speed charts are wrong the K-4 is slower by 10-15 mph until about 25,000 ft which it then gains a sizable advantage.
You seem to have forgot the thing we call WEP...... The K-4 can run a P51D to the ground at all altitudes. Given at Sea level it is on a couple of MPH faster the P51D
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DemonSlayr, that you mention diving as an escape is a measure of the K4's superiority. By diving out, you basically yield the fight, giving the K4 all the cards if you chose to come back.
That's how it works for a plane that cannot turn as well. Escaping the fight is important for fast planes. Once the P51 gets about 2K away there is really nothing a follower can do. Out diving planes was a major strategy used against the axis to escape danger.
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That's how it works for a plane that cannot turn as well. Escaping the fight is important for fast planes. Once the P51 gets about 2K away there is really nothing a follower can do. Out diving planes was a major strategy used against the axis to escape danger.
But it doesn't win fights. In real life, where the pilot was more important than the plane, the emphasis was correctly on bringing the pilot back alive.
But in AH, it's pretty irrelevant, since we seem to be possessing a new pilot each flight via voodoo magic or satanic rituals or something. The result is that the metrics for a good fighter change (or at least should, if the goal is absolute effectiveness). Emphasis is placed on ability to reach and control airspace, and as long as you have the fuel to get there and fight, range kinda doesn't matter. I'll just take 100% on the K4 vs 50% on the P-51. Surviving to land your kills is nice, but frankly dying and reuppimg is more effective.
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I am not an expert in the K-4, but I do know it is a great fighter for those who can use it.
I did find the Spit XIV to be a great P-51 killer as well.
I even find my Mossie a better fighter than the P-51D at low altitude. It is a bit slower, but climbs as well or a bit better, turns better and has much better guns.
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I can never do well in the Mossie. It's just too big; controls aren't crisp enough, and I tend to take more hits than usual.
I have always wanted to learn it though. Who's resident mossie driver?
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I can never do well in the Mossie. It's just too big; controls aren't crisp enough, and I tend to take more hits than usual.
I have always wanted to learn it though. Who's resident mossie driver?
I don't know who is now, Bozon is good for sure, but your assessment is fairly accurate. The Mossie's weaknesses are almost all defensive while its strengths are almost all offensive. Makes it hard to recover initiative once you lose it. I've managed to do so at times, most memorably in two cases against La-7s, one against a Spitfire Mk VIII, once against a Typhoon that came in as I was BnZing a P-51D down and once against an Fw190A-8 and P-51D pair.
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Idk man, although the 109k is a great plane, I still think the P51 has much better overall performance than the K. All a P51 has to do is dive away with a little bit of alt to get away from the K4. The K4 cannot dive, which severely limits the potential of the aircraft. The P51 holds E better than the K, turns faster at higher speeds, and has the advantage during a high alt fight, so the tables can be turnt real quick against a 109k who kills all their speed too quickly. The 109K barely turns inside of the P51, so depending on the pilot, a good p51 stick could give a lessor skilled pilot a hard fight for a death. The P51 is much more suitable over 10K. It can dive and make a fast pass quick shot a lot more easier than a K. The bullets are much easier to shoot in the P51. The p51 is best used in the BnZ style which is the most effective and easiest way to fly in the MA if you want to stay alive. The 109 is not a BnZer and is best flown at 10k. You have a lot more worrying to do about your SA than in the P51. You have to be a good slash attacker and good aimer in the K4 which are advanced skills in AH. So I think overall the P51 is a much better all around plane than the K givin the situation.
Besides all that the 109K4 has the 30mm which is still bugged all to uselessness. Therefore the 109K4 sucks. :)
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The ability to win a fight depends on the pilot really regardless of the plane. There are way to many times the smarter pilot flying a lesser aircraft wins. For me the pony is given way to little credit. Last night 2 sorties back to back 3 kills each. First sortie all below 15 thousand. 2 109s, a K-4 and a G-6 and Spit 16. Second sortie on the deck over the water no higher than 3 thousand and against Spits, zeros and F4U's. As for me anyways, just getting kills means nothing, if I don't land them they don't count. While my pilot lives to fight againa regardless of the outcome I look at it in a realistic way, you can blame Zenzen for that. Flying with him as his wing man for 7 years it has been drilled into my head that landing the plane is just as important as anything else. To me anyone can up fly to a fight, get kills and die. Wash, rinse and repeat. getting out and landing scalps is all about the skill part. Knowing when where and why to exit is just as important in my book. Hence that is why you get less perks for dying than landing.
Still the Pony is not for everyone, I love what it does and how it does it. I am still learning the finer points of the airframe, like I said before, she is an easy plane to fly but takes a long time to master.
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The P-51D is a good fighter. It is not, as was being stated, the best fighter just like in WWII, where it was also not the best fighter. All of the fighters I have suggested as better fighters are also good fighters, even the Mossie which I think is better in a very situational case, go up past, say, 5000ft and the P-51 is clearly superior to the Mossie.
The best piston engined fighter in a one on one in AH is pretty firmly the F4U-4. In a many on many the Tempest V seems to be best.
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DemonSlayr, that you mention diving as an escape is a measure of the K4's superiority. By diving out, you basically yield the fight, giving the K4 all the cards if you chose to come back.
The ability to escape is a huge offensive advantage in my view. It allows the pilot to take more chances and press the attack, knowing that he can abort and escape if things are not going his way. In situations that are not duels, the pilot becomes much more important than the plane and most fights are won or lost without exploiting the plane's performance to the max. In escaping, the plane share in success rates becomes larger than the pilot share.
A duel is very different that the MA, scenarios or WWII. In a duel K4 can pull moves that the P51 will have a very hard time to match. Those same moves, like spirals, prop hanging and torque reversals will get you killed very fast in a furball. Short range inaccurate guns with limited ammo are a major disadvantage in a fur ball, inspire of raw hitting power. The P51 guns are much more suitable for high speed passes without ever slowing down.
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But it doesn't win fights. In real life, where the pilot was more important than the plane, the emphasis was correctly on bringing the pilot back alive.
But in AH, it's pretty irrelevant, since we seem to be possessing a new pilot each flight via voodoo magic or satanic rituals or something. The result is that the metrics for a good fighter change (or at least should, if the goal is absolute effectiveness). Emphasis is placed on ability to reach and control airspace, and as long as you have the fuel to get there and fight, range kinda doesn't matter. I'll just take 100% on the K4 vs 50% on the P-51. Surviving to land your kills is nice, but frankly dying and reuppimg is more effective.
I'll give you an example. Last night I upped a 51 for a little stress relief. It is one of my secret favorite planes. Now, I was all alone fighting a spit8 1v1 for a good time. All the sudden I see a 110 and another spit come into view 5K out. I have 2 decisions to make 1. Break the fight, allow the spit to gain my 6, and dive down a little to escape his guns, so that the 110 and spit weren't going to pick me in the fight like I knew they would. The second decision was keep on fighting and attempt to fight the 3v1. I decided I had enough of being ganged so after the loop I poured the coal to it and leveled out, I was able to get out of his trap by going around the loop and then leveling out to gain an E extension while he was finishing his loop around. In some planes like the F4U I would not have been able to simply extend away after the loop and I'd have gotten ganged. The spit 8 stayed about 1000 yards away, just out of shooting reach. I was able to drag all 3 back to my territory and luckily a few friendlies were there to help. Now, the spit 8 was still following me, when my friendlies jumped the 110 and the other spit, I was now able to work the spit chasing me into another 1v1. He had actually pulled off and we remerged face to face. Him not being able to catch me was a huge advantage. I was able to fly to friendlies to clear the other guys and was able to reset the initial fight because he pulled off and I could now turn towards him to get nose to nose. After a long fight I ended up winning the 1v1 fight. Now, because I am solid in the P51, I was able to win. If the pilot wasnt so rusty in the spit, he should have won the 1v1 fight using a better turning plane. Even still, I could have dove away and either gone to land my kills or reset the merge again or take him into a nose down spiral barrel roll defense that works well when planes are diving on you.
So this is why being able to dive out of fights is very important for planes that don't turn as well. I should not have turned to fight that spit again, but I wanted to fight. I should have lost the fight, but my experience paid off.
Planes that cannot dive well are at a disadvantage because if I'm diving on a 109K in my P51, and the 109K decides to nose down in an attempt to escape I can easily catch them in a dive, and the 109K will start compressing and his controls will tighten up, so I will have an easy shot.
Same if the 109K is diving on me, he will compress and I will be able to escape his dive whether I try to pull a BRD while he is compressing, or just simply extend away. In any instance, having a plane that can dive away from a group of con's, or dive onto another plane going 560, is very important in fighter combat!
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Well, historically the K4 was a bomber interceptor, due to the situation in the air. It was never really intended to dog fight with pony's and spits. The 109 should BTW have been replaced by then but there wasn't any option but to try to upgrade the 109 so it could keep up with the Allied fighters.
But almost all LW rides from the western front like the pony, k4, spit XIV etc was designed for a type of fight we almost never see in the MA so it pretty natural that some of these planes have it harder in the MA. Spit XIV is prob the best example. Its a monster if u take it high enough.
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Again, you basically ran. Now I don't imply that, had you simply picked a K4, you would have won. I do, however, believe you would have won had you chosen to master the K4. Unless I'm misremembering the charts, a K4 wallops the snot out of the Spit 8 in terms of climb, acceleration, and top speed.
And again, I don't mean to say ability to escape is entirely useless, only that it's much less important in AH. Had you been fighting me for example, I you never would have dragged me co-alt to your buddies, since I would have been climbing the whole way, and at over 4000+fpm right up until 16k, a few minutes climbing is not to be taken lightly.
Now does being able to dive away add to the P-51's capability? Yes. Is it enough to tip things when the enemy has every other advantage over you? No. And that's what Karnak and I are saying.
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Again, you basically ran. Now I don't imply that, had you simply picked a K4, you would have won. I do, however, believe you would have won had you chosen to master the K4. Unless I'm misremembering the charts, a K4 wallops the snot out of the Spit 8 in terms of climb, acceleration, and top speed.
And again, I don't mean to say ability to escape is entirely useless, only that it's much less important in AH. Had you been fighting me for example, I you never would have dragged me co-alt to your buddies, since I would have been climbing the whole way, and at over 4000+fpm right up until 16k, a few minutes climbing is not to be taken lightly.
Now does being able to dive away add to the P-51's capability? Yes. Is it enough to tip things when the enemy has every other advantage over you? No. And that's what Karnak and I are saying.
I have mastered the K4.
I have mastered the p51
I don't personally believe that in a 1v1 fight a K4 will out climb a spit 8. The spit 8 is easily one of the best verticle climbers in the game.
I had to run, there is simply no reason to fight 2 spits and a 110 in a P51 unless you initially have a major alt advantage. I even told em on 200 I was escaping from the gang scenario. The spit 8 would crush the K4 and P51 in almost any type of fight. It is simply just way more of a capable plane. I mean you could have been climbing, I still would have extended out of range and you would have forgot about me. That is huge for the P51. I could have gained alt as well. What you are not understanding is that you cannot fly every plane the same way. In a slash slow speed stall fight, the K4 would beat the P51. If the P51 is able to gain alt advantage during the fight, the P51 would win. The P51 holds E so much better than the K4. Its all about how well you know the planes and what you think you can get away with based on the pilot and plane your opponent chooses.
Just you wait till you find me in the MA. It won't matter what plane your in. :devil
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There are just too many people who rely on charts to explain their argument. Charts only show a 2D concept of the plane, nothing else. Just because it has a slightly better climb and excel rate, does not make the plane better at performance in the MA setting.
The F4U4 is the best plane in the game, it goes super fast and turns super well, those are the 2 most deadly things a plane can do.
The tempest is just fast, but the P51 can out turn it. So really and truly the only reason the temp is good is because it is fast with great ammo, and easy to make the shot. If you get tied up in a turn fight with a temp, you will most likely get out maneuvered. You don't fight with the tempest with slash attack, you fight it with BnZ. You don't fly a p51 with slash attack, you use BnZ. The 109 is a not a BnZer, you use the slash attack for most effectiveness. The K4 may show better lines on a chart but that doesn't mean it can fly better than the Spit8. The advantage of the spit8s speed, zoom climb, and turn rate, make it very dangerous in any type of fight. BTW the spit is also a slash attack plane, not a BnZer. So you have to learn the styles to be generally successful in each plane. The charts really don't mean anything in a furball or 1v1 fight unless you are measuring a FM2 compared to a 190D. Obviously you have to fly both those planes differently in order to be successful.
What you fail to realize is that faster planes that don't turn well, like the 190D, are meant to be able to escape fights by using the speed advantage. Speed is so important in Air combat for these types of planes. That is why I hate fighting them in the MA. They just run away and are able to escape tough situations.
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Just to be clear, I have never stated the 51 is the best.There are far better planes. As for running people in this game that point that out have no real conception of fights or combat. I treat combat in the game as I did when I was in a combat zone. I give very little yield to my opponents but only when it is to my advantage. If it turns or I am caught with my pants down I will run, training is a hard thing to just turn off. There is nothing wrong ever with withdrawing from a fight you can't win. I have been called this and that by folks whom 90% of would have peed their pants the first time they heard a bullet go whizzing inches past their heads. I find it funny. This is a game yes but it is one I take seriously for certain things and living to land my plane is one. You may not see it that way and you are not wrong if landing is not important to you, I see nothing wrong with how most folks play this game as it is their 15 bucks so I have no right to judge them.
In judging aircraft the ability to get the pilot out of trouble is just as important as any other factor regardless of how the fight is conducted.
I do truly want to thank you gentlemen on a side note for engaging in an intelligent conversation though. It seems to many times on the boards here it gets stupid or so heated as to sink to insults and the like. I like when I can listen to others thoughts and views as it helps me learn more and new things that I may not have a chance to do at a later time. :salute :salute :salute
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There's way too many armchair tacticians talking about ACM without the requirement to prove its validity. My solid belief is that when two pilots have contradicting points of view regarding ACM, they should go to the DA and duel it out, using the planes and tactics relevant to their argument. The loser would have to concede to the other's point.
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There's way too many armchair tacticians talking about ACM without the requirement to prove its validity. My solid belief is that when two pilots have contradicting points of view regarding ACM, they should go to the DA and duel it out, using the planes and tactics relevant to their argument. The loser would have to concede to the other's point.
The argument is exactly on points that one cannot dis/prove in a duel. The 190D9 is a very poor plane to duel with. However, in the MA it consistently tops the list of unperked planes in its stats. In special events and scenarios it rules and does much better than the 109K. Climb is not very useful in large scale engagements that are not at tree tops level, but is very valuable in a duel. In such situations, dive and speed (and never-exceed speed) are much more important defensively than sustained turn rates. Visibility out of the cockpit becomes exponentially more important as the number of planes in your vicinity increase. Ammo load and ease of aiming becomes more important in large scale engagements where you cannot ride someones 6 for long till you get the perfect shot. The ability to take damage and fight on. These factors are non-issues in a duel.
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And that's also why the Tempest trumps the allegedly 'best fighter', the F4U-4 in the MA environment, both in overall success as well as direct combat stats.
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And that's also why the Tempest trumps the allegedly 'best fighter', the F4U-4 in the MA environment, both in overall success as well as direct combat stats.
I would say the F4u4 takes a lot more skill to learn than the tempest simply because you have to know both styles of turning and BnZ to be very successful it. Many pilots get caught up in the turn n burn in the F4u4 which makes it an easy pick while most pilots in the tempest only stick to the BnZ method of fighting. The fact that it can do both exceedingly well, and dive exceedingly well, where as the K4 cannot dive well, is why I give the F4U4 more credit as far as being a better fighter than the tempest.
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The argument is exactly on points that one cannot dis/prove in a duel. The 190D9 is a very poor plane to duel with. However, in the MA it consistently tops the list of unperked planes in its stats. In special events and scenarios it rules and does much better than the 109K. Climb is not very useful in large scale engagements that are not at tree tops level, but is very valuable in a duel. In such situations, dive and speed (and never-exceed speed) are much more important defensively than sustained turn rates. Visibility out of the cockpit becomes exponentially more important as the number of planes in your vicinity increase. Ammo load and ease of aiming becomes more important in large scale engagements where you cannot ride someones 6 for long till you get the perfect shot. The ability to take damage and fight on. These factors are non-issues in a duel.
1v1 fights are the litmus test of tactics. The MA is simply application of those tactics against a wider range of targets. To claim that climb is not very useful in large engagements is to assume that you'll never end up at the edge of a furball with a slower, lesser-climbing opponent behind you - it's a very misguided assumption. Every tactic employed in large-scale combat is built upon a corresponding component of 1v1 tactics. If 1v1 tactics did not work in large fights, no pilot could ever score a kill by themselves.
If everyone flew to survive above all else, we'd find that the fights in the MA would utilize the majority of the same tactics we see in the DA. The difference is that the MA's mentality is generally "kill kill kill!" while the DA mentality is surviving ("win win win!"). There is a focus in the DA to survive; it just so happens that the way to survive is to kill your opponent quickly with the least loss of position and/or energy. Ergo, 1v1 tactics rely on selecting the most efficient maneuver (response) to a given situation.
MA flying, on the other hand, covers up individual deficiencies. If a pilot makes a mistake in the MA, they can disengage and run to cover... and we see this as perfectly acceptable (although annoying). However, what we neglect to address is that the pilot diving to the deck is running to friendly assets, whether it's wingmen or ack. If you consider that ack or wingmen isn't available to the opponent, we begin to realize the ridiculousness of the argument. It becomes apparent that the "it only works in the MA" argument is really just an admission that the tactics do not really work in and of themselves, instead requiring outside variables to be successful.
This is why any tactic considered effective to a single pilot in the MA must also have merit in the DA. Otherwise, it's not a tactic, it's simply poor flying that's compensated for by rolling with large masses of friendly pilots.
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the Tempest is without a doubt a better fighter than the F4U-4 under 10k. It holds two key advantages over the hog which is Speed and Firepower(the two most important attributes). The Tempest arguable has the best gun package in game. Many people don't realize that the Tempest has the Hispano MK V which has the same superb ballistics and hitting power of the Hispano MKII with a rate of fire comparable to the Browning 50cal.
Now I do think the F4U is the better fighter at Medium-High altitudes and its a lot more versatile as a multi-role aircraft but in the typical MA environment the Tempest has the edge.
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See Rule #4
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There's way too many armchair tacticians talking about ACM without the requirement to prove its validity. My solid belief is that when two pilots have contradicting points of view regarding ACM, they should go to the DA and duel it out, using the planes and tactics relevant to their argument. The loser would have to concede to the other's point.
See, that only works with pilots of truly equal skill. I don't pretend to be able to beat DemonSlayr, but that's not because he has better tactics, that's because he's simply a better pilot than me in all aspects from what I've seen.
I draw my opinion from fighting P-51's flown in similar fashion, but without the master hand at the controls. In essentially every case I've been in, if the P-51 disengages with intent to reset he has already lost. The K4 and Spit 14 both generate energy far better, giving me even greater advantage than I started with in most cases.
And again, though this may not be a goal of everyone, the K4 us better at controlling airspace than the P-51.
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38L... shes just got that wide wing that likes to catch bullets.
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See Rule #4
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:rolleyes:
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What ever.
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Debrody turning into the new Schlowy?
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P-39 AiraCobra why because she has a mean 37mm Gun, decent climb rate (below 15k), and she's the best lookin ww2 fighter.
************************************** BEST WW2 FIGHTER IN GAME ******************************************* :airplane:
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Debrody turning into the new Schlowy?
Nope, i said "Chill, Paul" and got rule nr.4-ed. There was no eightyeight, Hitech cheats the Luft, the 109s need C4, the 190s are undermodelled, or anything like that.
So what evah.
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(http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/scottyd66/Mobile%20Uploads/20150331_123249_zpsopbfidyq.jpg) (http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/scottyd66/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150331_123249_zpsopbfidyq.jpg.html) my favorite ride cause it makes me money
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Nope, i said "Chill, Paul" and got rule nr.4-ed. There was no eightyeight, Hitech cheats the Luft, the 109s need C4, the 190s are undermodelled, or anything like that.
So what evah.
Was? Warum nicht? Schlowy ist immer richtig! HiTech hast der Luftwaffe und das deutsche Volk!
Sarcasm aside, glad to hear it. Not sure that the game could handle another one.
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The argument is exactly on points that one cannot dis/prove in a duel. The 190D9 is a very poor plane to duel with. However, in the MA it consistently tops the list of unperked planes in its stats. In special events and scenarios it rules and does much better than the 109K. Climb is not very useful in large scale engagements that are not at tree tops level, but is very valuable in a duel. In such situations, dive and speed (and never-exceed speed) are much more important defensively than sustained turn rates. Visibility out of the cockpit becomes exponentially more important as the number of planes in your vicinity increase. Ammo load and ease of aiming becomes more important in large scale engagements where you cannot ride someones 6 for long till you get the perfect shot. The ability to take damage and fight on. These factors are non-issues in a duel.
I disagree. Climb can be very useful in a large scale engagement. As can dives and extending(even those that do not lead you to friendlies) All are tools and tactics that can be used to create advantageous situations for yourself. The trick is in using the correct tool for the correct situation
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B-17. Airframe structure is very strong. It can take a lot of damage and still function. The defense guns are well located and effective.
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I disagree. Climb can be very useful in a large scale engagement. As can dives and extending(even those that do not lead you to friendlies) All are tools and tactics that can be used to create advantageous situations for yourself. The trick is in using the correct tool for the correct situation
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IMO.... climb is the most important part of multi opponent fights, where you are actually engaging them and not just making a 550 MPH pass through.
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:cheers: my 2nd Volvo ;love it :rock
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:cheers: my 2nd Volvo ;love it :rock
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is that the 780/880?