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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on May 11, 2015, 05:15:50 PM
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Ouchie. :evil:
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I'd like to actually see the report. "More probable than not" about some air in footballs both teams used doesn't make me wanna put Tom Brady in Barry Bonds territory. If there's nothing really juicy in the report, a 4 game suspension and loss of draft picks is pretty harsh.
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Way to harsh for what is a "common practice". I cant stand the Patriot's and find their fans as putrid but you cant alter NFL History over something like this. Fine them and be done with it. They havnt had the success they have had because of deflated footballs. No loss of picks and no suspensions.
Oh wow, they did already suspend him. Well he didnt help his cause by Lieing about it. "course why would this guy care about losing 4 games pay?
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Fish rots from the head down. They are officially now verified (after the Belichick Camera-gate) as the New England Cheatriots.
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"We miss interpreted the rules." - Eric Cartman, The White People Method.
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First, I'm a Lions fan, went to Purdue University, not Michigan, and have no great love or hate for the Patriots and Tom Brady.
And this stinks like some sour-grapes bullshoni to me. They won the game by 60 points, and you can't convict people on "probably" or "more likely than not in my opinion". Completely undeserved fine/suspension if you can't say with conviction that they did something wrong, which you can't.
Hopefully they appeal and it gets overturned if more damning evidence doesn't turn up, because I expect better out of my NFL.
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My theory is Brady ticked off some important folks when he stood Obama up and this was a great opportunity to issue a spanking.
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But no worry folks, Patriots have signed free agent QB Jon Grady for a 4 game contract. :rofl
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Right and wrong is black and white, there is no grey area. There is no line to be crossed because it isn't a line. It is a wall, you cannot be on both sides at the same time.
Brady and the Patriots, "Compromised the integrity of the game". That's all you need. The penalty is based upon how much you wronged the integrity. Whether it actually affected the outcome of the game is not part and parcel to the discussion. "I know we cheated, but we would have won anyway" does not work.
The messages that Brady received from the ball handler at the very least alerted him to the fact that the air pressure in the ball would be manipulated. The right thing to do would have been to report this to the team, at the very least, and there is no record, or at least no discussion of him alerting anyone about this manipulation. Since he knew about this he is implicit.
The ball handler. He had choices too. He chose to reap a personal reward, in the form of gifts and other compensations and putting himself in Bradys pocket as "his Boy". I understand that this is just an employee, not a millionaire superstar, but how much he got paid has little to do with anything. His position of power does. He would have "moved up the ladder" and his actions would surely put him in a position where Brady and the involved Patriots would have at least, "owed him something". The ball handler did not do the right thing. Brady did not do the right thing. The team did not do the right thing because at the very least they failed to police their employees.
This hurt the game. This disrespected the tens of thousands of people that have played the game and will in the future.
There is no grey area.
The penalty was light in my opinion.
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The report is available to be read online for any who esteem primary sources.
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Every QB in the NFL has tampered with his foot balls. It has always been a common practice and the NFL has always looked the other way. Most of all its done in cold weather games but I'd bet every team the Patriots played against while deflating their foot balls the other team did the same.
This must go way past foot balls. Sounds like the owners are gangstering Bob Kraft.
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Does anybody really think the outcome of the game was compromised because of this? And if you really believe the inflation of the football is going to dramatically impact the outcome of the game, why isn't anyone outraged at the NFL for not either A) assigning an NFL employee to oversee ball inflation, or B) telling the refs to keep a closer eye on the balls once they're checked prior to the game.
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Soooo, if this wasn't cheating, was it "gaming the game"? :old:
Oh and BTW, "its ok because everyone else does it" is a child's excuse and unacceptable. :mad:
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I can't believe that the league doesn't supply the ball for every game, with neither team having access prior.
The ball should be a constant.
I'm sure it happens all of the time, these bozos just got caught.
Just put an asterisk in the record books, just like they should do with the roid-heads in baseball.
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They got caught because they are good. Just sour grapes from other teams.
Agree BuckShot, the balls should be league balls not team balls.
Off hand I don't know of any other sport where teams use their own balls.
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But no worry folks, Patriots have signed free agent QB Jon Grady for a 4 game contract. :rofl
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If for no other reason, then for the excellent mustache! :aok
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They got caught because they are good.
It's not just sour grapes. They cheated. Period.
Of course the guy at the top is going to have his performance questioned. If the guy at the top is not playing by the rules, then yes that will get him caught.
In motorcycle roadracing, I never ever cheated. The system used was a "protest" system. If you thought the other guy had a machine outside of the class specifications, you were required to put a $500.00 cash deposit on the table. You had to protest something specific. If you protested any internal engine component, you had to put $1000.00 cash on the table. The bike under protest was impounded. The team under protest was required to dismantle whatever was needed to show that they were in compliance. If the protested bike is determined to be in compliance, the team that had that bike then picked up the money off the table and put it in their pocket. If you wanted to protest, you had to "put up, or shut up". If the bike was out of compliance. the person that put the protest money up, picked the money back off the table. The offending team/bike/rider had ALL of their points negated for the season and had to return all purse money won.
I liked the system. I never actually protested anyone myself, but guess what. I was the guy that was winning. I didn't pay attention to what they were doing to battle for second place.
One year, we got a 7th place at the AMA superbike race in Pike's Peak. My teammate was the rider. Now 7th place is not the position's that were normally protested, but in this case, he had beaten the entire Factory USA, HRC racing team. We walked our bike to the impound area and I had a folder with a stack of receipts. I showed the HRC team manager the receipts for $100,000.00 in HRC parts we had bought from them. I told them, "We would prefer not to tear this engine down right here. Would you like to withdraw your protest and pick up your $1000.00?". He said, "That is exactly what I would like, thank you". As he was walking away with his head mechanic he said to him, "Maybe you can explain how a privateer team, that bought their equipment from us, on the same bike, built a faster motor?" .......................silenc e.............
Maybe a cash protest system would work in the NFL. You make the public announcement of the protest and keep everything out in the open.
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I can't believe that the league doesn't supply the ball for every game, with neither team having access prior.
The ball should be a constant.
I'm sure it happens all of the time, these bozos just got caught.
Just put an asterisk in the record books, just like they should do with the roid-heads in baseball.
It was Brady and Peyton Manning who lobbied the NFL to change the rules to let them supply their own balls!
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They got caught because they are good. Just sour grapes from other teams.
Agree BuckShot, the balls should be league balls not team balls.
Off hand I don't know of any other sport where teams use their own balls.
They are good because they have the least amount of turnovers due to....UNDER INFLATED BALLS. Duh....
In my best Deon voice..."C'MON MAN! EVEN A CANADIAN CAN FIGURE THAT ONE OUT!"
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:rofl :rofl
I dont understand the fanatical following sports fans have.
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I dont understand the fanatical following sports fans have.
Agreed.
Although I do like RotBarons idea, just put a little asterisk next to his name when he gets into the hall of fame
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Blame the NFL for the continued behavior from the players. Until the Commissioner grows a pair this kind of thing will continue to happen.
They have/had; someone that arranges/hosts dog fights, a wife beater, a child beater, numerous rule breakers, and even a murderer! Instead of giving the NFL more publicity the populace should stop watching games, buying merchandise, and attending any events hosted by the NFL. Until that happens, the fan base is to blame almost as much as Goddell.
I dont understand the fanatical following sports fans have.
Yep.
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Usually I hate the -gate things...Iran-Contragage, Benghazigate, the whole raft of them. But the reaction to the Patriots thing really does bring me back to 1973:
"Hey, they all do it, he just got caught."
"He would have won anyway, what's the big deal?"
"They have it in for this guy, it's not fair."
- oldman
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From NESN, so they're not neutral, but kinda gets at the heart of how stupid this all is:
http://nesn.com/2015/05/five-biggest-issues-with-evidence-against-patriots-in-wells-report/ (http://nesn.com/2015/05/five-biggest-issues-with-evidence-against-patriots-in-wells-report/)
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Just a tidbit of useless info: All NFL footballs are made in a small hick town in Ohio not too far from me, of all places.
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Read the following:
[quoteThe report, prepared by attorney Ted Wells, found that "it is more probable than not" that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was "at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities" of locker room attendant Jim McNally and equipment assistant John Jastremski, who has been with the team since 2001][/quote]
Since when is it ok to judge someone on the scale of "more probable than not"? Sorry, but the way the real world works, "beyond a shadow of a doubt" is the standard to which all men and women are judged.
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Read the following:
Since when is it ok to judge someone on the scale of "more probable than not"? Sorry, but the way the real world works, "beyond a shadow of a doubt" is the standard to which all men and women are judged.
Not everywhere. There are some places where guilty until proven innocent is the norm...and not necessarily repressive countries either. That being said, this isn't a court of law, and like the Black Sox or Pete Rose, suspicion is enough.
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Not everywhere. There are some places where guilty until proven innocent is the norm...and not necessarily repressive countries either. That being said, this isn't a court of law, and like the Black Sox or Pete Rose, suspicion is enough.
This is the US. It is a US game. Sorry, but it is a face saving measure because the NFL leadership botched the Domestic Abuse situation so badly.
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From NESN, so they're not neutral, but kinda gets at the heart of how stupid this all is:
http://nesn.com/2015/05/five-biggest-issues-with-evidence-against-patriots-in-wells-report/ (http://nesn.com/2015/05/five-biggest-issues-with-evidence-against-patriots-in-wells-report/)
Very interesting post.
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So, the kid in the room watching the adults get all worked up over this, says...
"Why not get rid of that stupid rule and let the QB pick his own pressure? Its fair if they all do it, right?"
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Text messages sunk Detroit's Mayor in civil court and cost the city 8 million, I think they are sufficient in this instance.
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Ii would have taken back their win.
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Lol, two games for this http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_ekaflcqq/ and 4 games for deflating football. Goodall and the NFL have gone mad.
But this is what happens when you have a wet noodle running a corporation that takes orders from the owners and is nothing but a camera clown for the news takes. I mean you didnt think these rich guys would actually allow a commissioner to have any power did you? So Goodall and Pat's owner Bob Kraft are golf buddies and it doesnt make sense for Goodall to bang their star QB so harshly over such a soft charge does it?
Except the Patriots got off lightly over spy gate. Belichick only caught a $500 g fine, the Pat's lost a 31'st pick, and the NFL conveniently destroyed the tapes that would have proved how extensive the efforts by the Pat's were to cheat and how long they were doing it. So why would Goodall hurt his golf buddy so badly over something so minor?
Well they both know Goodall is one bad decision away from hitting the bricks because he's a bought and sold owners clown. His record of discipline is ridiculous. He banged Ben Roethlisberger for only 6 games for chasing high school skirt, he originally gave Ray Rice a 2 gamer for knocking the snot out of his then girl friend, he crushed the Saints for doing what every team does, throwing money in a pot the winner being the one who crushes the most adversaries on Sunday. Goodall has a wildly different method of punishing offenders all based on whether or not he plays golf with them on Sundays. And enough owners do to where they want to keep the little mutton chop on as commish.
Including Pat's owner Kraft who just also happens to have a very young and talented back up QB who's even better looking then Brady, who at 37yo is about at the end, and since this Jimmy Garoppolo can really play Kraft figures its no loss, the kid can get some real game time since it will be his team anyways. And most of all some heat will be off his pal Goodall and he'll be able to hang around longer.
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Lol, two games for this http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_ekaflcqq/ and 4 games for deflating football. Goodall and the NFL have gone mad.
One affects the integrity of the game while the other doesn't.
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Text messages sunk Detroit's Mayor in civil court and cost the city 8 million, I think they are sufficient in this instance.
Content is quite different, but, oh well.
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Yep.
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There are 2 types of teams, the ones caught cheating and the ones that get away with it. U are very naive if u believe that [insert team name] never had bend or broken any rule. Its a lot of money involved and when a lot of money is involved honor and fair lives dangerously
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Seahawk fans are just bitter i am a steelers fan when they lost the superbowl they cry it was handed to them they lost to patriots and the whines again lol
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Seahawk fans are just bitter i am a steelers fan when they lost the superbowl they cry it was handed to them they lost to patriots and the whines again lol
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/06/four-years-later-bill-leavy-apologizes-to-seahawks/
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Seahawk fans are just bitter i am a steelers fan when they lost the superbowl they cry it was handed to them they lost to patriots and the whines again lol
Have you ever noticed how rarely the SB 40 highlights are ever shown on any NFL network show or "Remember when" type program? There is a reason...they're all embarrassed... All except of course the Black and Yellow fans...because they were at the payday end of a 'fixed' game. How does the NFL have an ex-Pittsbooger police officer as a backfield judge in the biggest dance of the year?? Oh, yeah, he's good, shouldn't matter he's from Pittsbooger. ;)
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Have you ever noticed how rarely the SB 40 highlights are ever shown on any NFL network show or "Remember when" type program? There is a reason...they're all embarrassed... All except of course the Black and Yellow fans...because they were at the payday end of a 'fixed' game. How does the NFL have an ex-Pittsbooger police officer as a backfield judge in the biggest dance of the year?? Oh, yeah, he's good, shouldn't matter he's from Pittsbooger. ;)
I know where you can get crying towels at a great discount.