Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: FLOOB on June 12, 2015, 04:24:06 PM
Don't mean to hijack your thread bruv but check out this awesome doc. What could make a great white abandon it's seasonal feeding grounds and dive down to 500 meters and flee 2000 miles? A free Willy.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: ink on June 12, 2015, 04:48:56 PM
"look at me...im a stinking Dolphin"
:rofl
all Dolphins kick the crap outta sharks...not just the Orca...
its been said they have saved Humans from Shark attacks.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 12, 2015, 05:04:50 PM
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Gman on June 12, 2015, 05:32:13 PM
Deep Blue showed up last year in the Mexican waters SHark Week was filming at as well. One of if not the biggest tagged, but not observed, so they say at least.
Orca's are far larger, faster, stronger, and are almost always in a pod, where as Great Whites are often solo hunters, although there are occasions where they've been observed hunting in packs, just not with any obvious team work, more like just really good hunting areas that they don't want to spar with each other over. That's something Whites do as well, many of those scars are either from mating, or fighting other whites over territory.
They heal exceptionally fast, that's something marine biologist study quite often - sharks with some pretty deep wounds show that they are healed very rapidly the next time they are observed.
There have been several cases of when orcas have been known to take a White shark, that whatever is released into the water sets off the "get away now" sensors on other white sharks, as ones with tags dive to depths that the orcas can't dive to, being mammals, and they stay at these depths and make good speed away from the area. Their smell and lateral line sensors are pretty incredible.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: ink on June 12, 2015, 06:20:21 PM
Don't mean to hijack your thread bruv but check out this awesome doc. What could make a great white abandon it's seasonal feeding grounds and dive down to 500 meters and flee 2000 miles? A free Willy.
Someone did a documentary on you scaring sharks away with your free Willy? :noid
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: USRanger on June 14, 2015, 10:36:24 PM
But where's the frikkin' laser beams?! :joystick:
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: guncrasher on June 14, 2015, 10:54:33 PM
all Dolphins kick the crap outta sharks...not just the Orca...
its been said they have saved Humans from Shark attacks.
think it's a big misunderstanding. dolphins do not normally kick the crap out of sharks and they sure dont rescue humans. quick google search will clear that up and also give some insight on why people believe this.
semp
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Slash27 on June 14, 2015, 11:56:41 PM
think it's a big misunderstanding. dolphins do not normally kick the crap out of sharks and they sure dont rescue humans. quick google search will clear that up and also give some insight on why people believe this.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: guncrasher on June 15, 2015, 01:34:11 AM
and here's an orca playing with a brother dolphin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_YN5GnW94o
semp
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: ink on June 15, 2015, 03:29:17 AM
:rofl :rofl
semp...
they certainly do attack and kill sharks...and certainly have rescued people....
there are many accounts of that...
damn son :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: HPriller on June 15, 2015, 04:51:02 AM
orca + dolphin + shark
All I can think is what would it taste like if I cut off the fins of all 3 and made soup with em?
This thread makes me want to go fishing.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Rich46yo on June 15, 2015, 08:22:10 AM
I honestly dont understand the Hubris of some who think they are accomplishing some great mission of ecology by messing with natures beasts and then calling it science. http://www.popfotos.com/these-photos-of-people-who-are-way-too-close-to-sharks-will-drop-your-jaws/?utm_source=ob-ef-2&utm_medium=PopFotos.com-Desktop-US-Sharks-1&utm_content=default&utm_campaign=These%20Images%20of%20Sharks%20Getting%20Way%20Too%20Close%20To%20People%20Are%20Haunting
These are dangerous animals http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/15/north-carolina-shark-attack-leaves-teen-girl-severely-hurt/ and while many encounters are by accident there are also many by Bozo's who go looking for trouble, or fame, or most likely money. And later would claim they know so dang much about what they are about they had no fear they could have ended up dinner, or costing their insurance mucho $$$ to put them back together.
Be it some dummy who jumps on a stingray after a lifetime of wrestling croc's, calling his circus act "science". Or some nit-wit who decides coo-coo'ing on all fours next to grizzly Bears is "loving and saving" them, "until of course he and another gets 'et and the world loses two precious Bears due to his arrogance". Or some bimbo who knows so much about Lions she doesnt have to follow the rules like the rest of us dummies and ends up getting 'et by a Lion. Or at least enough of her to make the Darwin club. Or this diver who decides he wants to be the latest knucklehead who gets out of the cage and swims with a man eater to get his 15 mins.
They call it "science" but in the end its all vanity. Its why I'll never go to Sea World to watch a orca, meant to roam hundreds of miles of ocean a day in a set family group, tortured by a bunch of greedy humans by being sentenced to life in a bath tub. Its "handlers" crowing about all the great "science" they are doing like little robots for $$ share holders who only care about the stock prices of the dump. And if a handler get 'kilt by a tortured Orca there is a line a mile long to replace him/her. After all what screwball raised on Disney cartoons could resist a star'ing role in such a circus act all in the name of science? Jeez we might even learn orca's will jump out of the water if you grease them with a herring each time.
Just as bad are these "swim with the Dolphins" scams where for $150 US you can go swim with a wild animal in a bath tub, the tormented thing probably wanting nothing to do with you but has to give you a photo kiss to eat. All so the Human Ape can then go show all her friends what a swell Liberal animal Lover she is and how much she supports wild life. Even risking her self by jumping on its back, "meanwhile a guy named Juan is counting his hundred dollar bills and laughing at the stupid gringo's who gave them to him".
And they demonize Hunters like me. Sportsmen who play by the rules, quietly spending the $$ to support the land and the animals, and then leaving them alone to be wild and free.
But its the arrogance that gets me. The Hubris, the greed, the hypocrisy. Nature is a force that cant be controlled, only destroyed. And I think these circus acts are part of whats destroying it.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: ink on June 15, 2015, 12:30:18 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: icepac on June 15, 2015, 07:06:09 PM
Irwin swam over the ray and it reacted as it does when a shark swims over it to eat it.
Sharks pin rays to the bottom as they bite them and the rays have developed a defense by instantly shooting barb up when a shadow passes over.
I've seen it many times sailing in shallow water in a hobie cat.
The sail passes over and the ray jabs upward.
Steve just happened to be the shadow that day.
Now THIS is a great white.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: FLOOB on June 15, 2015, 07:51:41 PM
Orca know how to eat rays withou getting stung. Wow ink just went full PETA! Irwin just proveked dangerous animals to make good tv and make money. Not really any different then those alligator park hillbillies who stick their heads in alligator mouths for tourists.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Rich46yo on June 15, 2015, 08:36:05 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Skyyr on June 15, 2015, 08:47:11 PM
Those who attack hunters are typically uneducated and overwhelmingly emotional.
This underscores the importance of being educated and informed before forming opinions, especially emotionally-based ones.
skyyr to be fair, there's lots of idiots among hunters. a hunting licence doesnt make you somebody that wants to preserve our wild friends.
If you dont feel anything when you kill an "animal" then you arent a hunter, I believe that, you may not agree with it but that's how I feel. I have killed many animals since I was a kid. I always felt a little sting, but at the same time I was grateful that we could eat.
semp
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Skyyr on June 15, 2015, 09:03:11 PM
skyyr to be fair, there's lots of idiots among hunters. a hunting licence doesnt make you somebody that wants to preserve our wild friends.
If you dont feel anything when you kill an "animal" then you arent a hunter, I believe that, you may not agree with it but that's how I feel. I have killed many animals since I was a kid. I always felt a little sting, but at the same time I was grateful that we could eat.
semp
Regardless of ethical reasons, those who hunt legally contribute more to the conservation of wildlife than any other group or organization. The irony is that groups like PETA and other pro-animal rights groups - as a whole - do relatively nothing for wildlife preservation, as the majority of their income is spent on internal salaries and advertising; however, their consistent attack on hunters would remove the single biggest source of funding for wildlife, if successful.
Then again, considering the anti-hunting argument is almost always emotional blathering, it's not surprising.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Scherf on June 15, 2015, 09:15:05 PM
Irwin came across as a buffoon, and initially I thought not very much of him.
It has to be said though, that the local attitude towards native critters has changed quite rapidly in recent times, and he was a big part of that. It used to be the macho thing to go out and batter the environment into submission - that's far less prevalent now. Irwin was the first one really to portray crocs, and by extension other wildlife, as anything other than mindless killing machines that pose a mortal danger to good people everywhere.
I can't say any of us were surprised when he was killed, there was a certain amount of shock that it was a ray though. I believe he's genuinely missed, however his death still carries with it a strong sense of not playing with fire.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: guncrasher on June 15, 2015, 09:37:07 PM
Regardless of ethical reasons, those who hunt legally contribute more to the conservation of wildlife than any other group or organization. The irony is that groups like PETA and other pro-animal rights groups - as a whole - do relatively nothing for wildlife preservation, as the majority of their income is spent on internal salaries and advertising; however, their consistent attack on hunters would remove the single biggest source of funding for wildlife, if successful.
Then again, considering the anti-hunting argument is almost always emotional blathering, it's not surprising.
perhaps that is true, but then again, illegal hunting is a big problem isnt it? lots of so called "hunters" refuse to pay dues and kill because they have "a right to do so".
semp
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Skyyr on June 15, 2015, 10:33:50 PM
perhaps that is true, but then again, illegal hunting is a big problem isnt it? lots of so called "hunters" refuse to pay dues and kill because they have "a right to do so".
So your argument, essentially, is that illegal activities harm others and the environment? Sort of obvious, don't you think? That's why we brand those individuals that commit such acts as criminals and felons.
The issue isn't really about hunting, it's about those that break the law.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: guncrasher on June 15, 2015, 11:18:18 PM
So your argument, essentially, is that illegal activities harm others and the environment? Sort of obvious, don't you think? That's why we brand those individuals that commit such acts as criminals and felons.
The issue isn't really about hunting, it's about those that break the law.
exactly illegal activities harm the environment. and that's why we brand those who commit those acts as criminals and felons.
semp
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: mthrockmor on June 15, 2015, 11:54:30 PM
Read an article that estimated this shark to be over 20 feet and 50+ years old, female likely pregnant.
boo
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 16, 2015, 03:25:26 AM
I honestly dont understand the Hubris of some who think they are accomplishing some great mission of ecology by messing with natures beasts and then calling it science. http://www.popfotos.com/these-photos-of-people-who-are-way-too-close-to-sharks-will-drop-your-jaws/?utm_source=ob-ef-2&utm_medium=PopFotos.com-Desktop-US-Sharks-1&utm_content=default&utm_campaign=These%20Images%20of%20Sharks%20Getting%20Way%20Too%20Close%20To%20People%20Are%20Haunting
These are dangerous animals http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/15/north-carolina-shark-attack-leaves-teen-girl-severely-hurt/ and while many encounters are by accident there are also many by Bozo's who go looking for trouble, or fame, or most likely money. And later would claim they know so dang much about what they are about they had no fear they could have ended up dinner, or costing their insurance mucho $$$ to put them back together.
Be it some dummy who jumps on a stingray after a lifetime of wrestling croc's, calling his circus act "science". Or some nit-wit who decides coo-coo'ing on all fours next to grizzly Bears is "loving and saving" them, "until of course he and another gets 'et and the world loses two precious Bears due to his arrogance". Or some bimbo who knows so much about Lions she doesnt have to follow the rules like the rest of us dummies and ends up getting 'et by a Lion. Or at least enough of her to make the Darwin club. Or this diver who decides he wants to be the latest knucklehead who gets out of the cage and swims with a man eater to get his 15 mins.
They call it "science" but in the end its all vanity. Its why I'll never go to Sea World to watch a orca, meant to roam hundreds of miles of ocean a day in a set family group, tortured by a bunch of greedy humans by being sentenced to life in a bath tub. Its "handlers" crowing about all the great "science" they are doing like little robots for $$ share holders who only care about the stock prices of the dump. And if a handler get 'kilt by a tortured Orca there is a line a mile long to replace him/her. After all what screwball raised on Disney cartoons could resist a star'ing role in such a circus act all in the name of science? Jeez we might even learn orca's will jump out of the water if you grease them with a herring each time.
Just as bad are these "swim with the Dolphins" scams where for $150 US you can go swim with a wild animal in a bath tub, the tormented thing probably wanting nothing to do with you but has to give you a photo kiss to eat. All so the Human Ape can then go show all her friends what a swell Liberal animal Lover she is and how much she supports wild life. Even risking her self by jumping on its back, "meanwhile a guy named Juan is counting his hundred dollar bills and laughing at the stupid gringo's who gave them to him".
And they demonize Hunters like me. Sportsmen who play by the rules, quietly spending the $$ to support the land and the animals, and then leaving them alone to be wild and free.
But its the arrogance that gets me. The Hubris, the greed, the hypocrisy. Nature is a force that cant be controlled, only destroyed. And I think these circus acts are part of whats destroying it.
On the other hand. Those few that are in "bathtubs" letting people see them up close probably do for for the conservation of the various species by putting a face on these creatures then millions of dollars in advertising ever could ever hope to. Same thing with zoos.
Do you care about the Rio Pescado stubfoot toad, The Red River giant softshell turtle?
Odds are you have probably never heard of them let alone saw them. At best maybe you have seen pictures of them which isnt quite the same as seeing them in person. Yet both are on the verge of extinction. Yet had you seen one in a zoo. You just might say "Wow. those are pretty cool.There are only 4 Red River softshell turtle in the wild? Wow we should do more to preserve them"
Still. Maybe not. They arent exactly the sexy species Orcas are. And we as humans tend to place preference in importance of animal species much in the same way we place vulue on other humans. How sexy they are
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Rich46yo on June 16, 2015, 09:15:14 AM
Do you really think SeaWorld executives really care about people seeing these animals for conservation? Its a huge corporation that spans the world with many investors http://blackfishmovie.com/ Investors they have to answer to. The Orca is Not! endangered there is no scientific reason to keep them in a bath tub until they go crazy. Its documented they are highly intelligent creatures, and highly social ones. To keep them confined in such places with other individuals they are not familiar with is tantamount to torture. And its all for greed ; To keep selling those $25 stuffed Orca dolls.
SW makes an average of $63 per person rolling thru those gates. How much do you think they'd make without those whales? The Orca that went ape and killed those people in the movie Black fish for years spent its evenings in a pen that didnt allow any movement. Thats about 16 hours of its day, is it any wonder it went bat crap and started whacking the humans tormenting it? Even still its penned up cause its worth a fortune as breeder. And what "science" was ever learned from the poor thing?
What science was ever learned from Irwin jumping on the back of a sting ray or a croc? He knew both were dangerous and certainly wouldnt recommend others doing it. But he just couldnt help himself with those cameras rolling could he? What science did he learn by dangling his one month old baby near a croc? We already know a croc will eat a baby. Did you know after he got kilt by a stingray the authorities started finding lots of Rays with their tails cut off, dead on the beaches of Australia? Nothing like some pay back in the name of conservation.
Well the man was popular, so is "Kim Kardashian", I felt no glee when he died. But he made his cash by jumping on all kinds of critters and messing with them, then turning it into a reality TV show hiding behind "science". None of the good things he did after changes that. Like this dinglebrain with the 26' white skark. Staying in the cage wont make him famous "thats been done" but getting out of it just might get him his own TV show. Im sure he would have loved leaping on it, imagine how that might pay?
On the other hand. Those few that are in "bathtubs" letting people see them up close probably do for for the conservation of the various species by putting a face on these creatures then millions of dollars in advertising ever could ever hope to. Same thing with zoos.
Do you care about the Rio Pescado stubfoot toad, The Red River giant softshell turtle?
Odds are you have probably never heard of them let alone saw them. At best maybe you have seen pictures of them which isnt quite the same as seeing them in person. Yet both are on the verge of extinction. Yet had you seen one in a zoo. You just might say "Wow. those are pretty cool.There are only 4 Red River softshell turtle in the wild? Wow we should do more to preserve them"
Still. Maybe not. They arent exactly the sexy species Orcas are. And we as humans tend to place preference in importance of animal species much in the same way we place vulue on other humans. How sexy they are
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 16, 2015, 08:23:45 PM
Do you really think SeaWorld executives really care about people seeing these animals for conservation? Its a huge corporation that spans the world with many investors http://blackfishmovie.com/ Investors they have to answer to. The Orca is Not! endangered there is no scientific reason to keep them in a bath tub until they go crazy. Its documented they are highly intelligent creatures, and highly social ones. To keep them confined in such places with other individuals they are not familiar with is tantamount to torture. And its all for greed ; To keep selling those $25 stuffed Orca dolls.
SW makes an average of $63 per person rolling thru those gates. How much do you think they'd make without those whales? The Orca that went ape and killed those people in the movie Black fish for years spent its evenings in a pen that didnt allow any movement. Thats about 16 hours of its day, is it any wonder it went bat crap and started whacking the humans tormenting it? Even still its penned up cause its worth a fortune as breeder. And what "science" was ever learned from the poor thing?
What science was ever learned from Irwin jumping on the back of a sting ray or a croc? He knew both were dangerous and certainly wouldnt recommend others doing it. But he just couldnt help himself with those cameras rolling could he? What science did he learn by dangling his one month old baby near a croc? We already know a croc will eat a baby. Did you know after he got kilt by a stingray the authorities started finding lots of Rays with their tails cut off, dead on the beaches of Australia? Nothing like some pay back in the name of conservation.
Well the man was popular, so is "Kim Kardashian", I felt no glee when he died. But he made his cash by jumping on all kinds of critters and messing with them, then turning it into a reality TV show hiding behind "science". None of the good things he did after changes that. Like this dinglebrain with the 26' white skark. Staying in the cage wont make him famous "thats been done" but getting out of it just might get him his own TV show. Im sure he would have loved leaping on it, imagine how that might pay?
And the science? What great science. :rofl
The execs dont have to care. Its a side benefit for the species. By default awareness is raised. Like I said. Those in captivity doing those shows have done more to raise awareness then any Animal rights campaign could ever hope to.
Irwin was a moron. I said so from the start I also said it was only a matter of time before his luck ran out. I was kinda hoping for it when he had rattle snakes crawling under his groin. That would have been poetic justice.
In the end Irwin rolled the dice one too many times and lost.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Rich46yo on June 16, 2015, 09:53:28 PM
Once again, and for the last time, Orca's are not endangered. So what "awareness" is needed, certainly what awareness is needed that justifys torturing a self-aware highly Intelligent and social animal? All for the purposes of entertainment and cash. Does SW pay its share holders or groups that help Orca's "which dont even need help cause they arent endangered and cant be legally killed anyways"?
You dont seem to get it. This is a corporation that systematically tried to cover up the damage it was doing to both the animals and the handlers. All in the name of profit.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 17, 2015, 09:16:21 PM
Once again, and for the last time, Orca's are not endangered. So what "awareness" is needed, certainly what awareness is needed that justifys torturing a self-aware highly Intelligent and social animal? All for the purposes of entertainment and cash. Does SW pay its share holders or groups that help Orca's "which dont even need help cause they arent endangered and cant be legally killed anyways"?
You dont seem to get it. This is a corporation that systematically tried to cover up the damage it was doing to both the animals and the handlers. All in the name of profit.
If there was no demand for such spectacles there would be no market for them.
How about horses? or Dogs? Dont you think they would rather be running around roaming free too?
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Rich46yo on June 17, 2015, 09:53:27 PM
Orca's are far more intelligent then either. As in "problem solving" Intelligence. Orca's teach their young, and each other, sophisticated behaviors and even speak to each other. Of course people dont stick horses or dogs in cages with strangers for a life sentence either. I expect even tho they arent as bright they'd go mad as well.
Not that I'd compare them because horses and dogs have been domesticated for many thousands of years anyways.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 19, 2015, 08:15:06 AM
Ahh so it is about how sexy they are. In this case the sexiness is based on intelligence.
Horses are so well domesticated over thousands of years. They dont even need to be broken anymore. Just saddle up and go.
Lots of animals have problem solving intelligence. Dogs would be among that list. My last golden in particular would have been a good example.
Given their druthers. Any animal would rather be roaming around free. Dogs and horses are kept in cages of sorts. Be it a house a barn or a yard. on a leash etc etc
And how do you know they feel tortured? You did a Vulcan mind meld and they told you?
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Rich46yo on June 19, 2015, 08:48:54 AM
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And how do you know they feel tortured? You did a Vulcan mind meld and they told you?
No there is no "Vulcan" or people from Vulcan. That was a TV show.
Orca's in captivity, all of them, end up with a flailed top fin. Like Tilicum which is featured in the Doc "Black Fish". Many other disturbing behaviors have been seen in captive Orca's too, just try renting and watching the movie. http://blackfishmovie.com/ By "disturbing behaviors" I mean like killing their trainers, trying to kill their trainers, attacking other Orca's in the bath tub....ect Heck you can tell when your dog is emotionally a mess imagine how easy it must be with such an intelligent animal as an Orca?
An Orca is a wild animal ; It has no comparison with a domesticated pet. In the wild they have never attacked a human but in captivity they have attacked humans nearly two dozen times. A characterization of the Orca's intelligence
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researchers describe incidents in which wild killer whales playfully tease humans by repeatedly moving objects the humans are trying to reach, or suddenly start to toss around a chunk of ice after a human throws a snowball.
The killer whale's use of dialects and the passing of other learned behaviors from generation to generation have been described as a form of animal culture.
"The complex and stable vocal and behavioral cultures of sympatric groups of killer whales (Orcinus orca) appear to have no parallel outside humans and represent an independent evolution of cultural faculties."
I never used the word "sexy" either. This thread is starting to reach the point of no return between the Bully and the Vulcan who thinks is bird dog is the same kind of animal as a wild 11,000 lb Orca. I myself believe people are "aware" of them even if they dont pay $30 a pop to watch them jump in a bath tub. Its just the circus act they want to see, just like with the croc guy "ex", the snake guy, the ex-Bear guy, the Lion girl, the shark guy....All of them seeking fame and $$$ while hiding behind conservation.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 19, 2015, 06:10:40 PM
No there is no "Vulcan" or people from Vulcan. That was a TV show.
Orca's in captivity, all of them, end up with a flailed top fin. Like Tilicum which is featured in the Doc "Black Fish". Many other disturbing behaviors have been seen in captive Orca's too, just try renting and watching the movie. http://blackfishmovie.com/ By "disturbing behaviors" I mean like killing their trainers, trying to kill their trainers, attacking other Orca's in the bath tub....ect Heck you can tell when your dog is emotionally a mess imagine how easy it must be with such an intelligent animal as an Orca?
An Orca is a wild animal ; It has no comparison with a domesticated pet. In the wild they have never attacked a human but in captivity they have attacked humans nearly two dozen times. A characterization of the Orca's intelligence I never used the word "sexy" either. This thread is starting to reach the point of no return between the Bully and the Vulcan who thinks is bird dog is the same kind of animal as a wild 11,000 lb Orca. I myself believe people are "aware" of them even if they dont pay $30 a pop to watch them jump in a bath tub. Its just the circus act they want to see, just like with the croc guy "ex", the snake guy, the ex-Bear guy, the Lion girl, the shark guy....All of them seeking fame and $$$ while hiding behind conservation.
I beg to differ.
I thought perhaps you two were related inasmuch as you know whale a whale is thinking and all.
The whale told this guy she was pregnant. So see. There are Vulcans outside of TV shows!
(http://i.imgur.com/rsbzyXzh.png)
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: caldera on June 19, 2015, 07:39:20 PM
"They are not, the hell your whales." :D
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 19, 2015, 07:48:06 PM
Well thats what Rich would say too. He is after all part Vulcan.
I wanna know how he knows an Ora never attacked a Human? They must have told him?
I would think considering that they can do to other animals. There wouldnt be much left of a human for the Human to tell us. So the Orca much have told Rich. And what if the Orca was lying like other highly intelligent creatures. How does Rich know they told him the truth?
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 19, 2015, 09:01:46 PM
An Orca is a wild animal ; It has no comparison with a domesticated pet. In the wild they have never attacked a human but in captivity they have attacked humans nearly two dozen times.
There are at least a half dozen documented and confirmed cases of Orcas in the wild attacking human beings.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Slamfire on June 19, 2015, 10:28:17 PM
Here's a dumb copperhead who slithered into my properly this week. My good neighbor thought quick and sawed the filthy serpent in half with a hedge trimmer. He was all tired and hungry, running from the flood, so it was funny that he met his end like that, like a chump.
I love it when stupid animals get what they got coming.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 19, 2015, 11:13:49 PM
"Its a good snake now"
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 20, 2015, 05:37:59 AM
:rofl "like a chump."
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: mthrockmor on June 20, 2015, 06:21:10 AM
Only male Orcas in captivity have fins that collapse, not females. I would like to read of the documented cases. I would suspect it has happened. They are predators and solve problems with their teeth, as all predators do at times.
boo
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: JunkyII on June 22, 2015, 09:48:15 PM
There are at least a half dozen documented and confirmed cases of Orcas in the wild attacking human beings.
There is half a dozen youtube videos of it...heck one came right up on the beach and grabbed a guy....never seen a great white do that...actually never seen a video of a Great White winning a fight against a Orca....it's almost as if the whale does it for sport.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Lusche on June 23, 2015, 02:37:16 AM
There is half a dozen youtube videos of it...heck one came right up on the beach and grabbed a guy....never seen a great white do that...
You mean that famous video video made for a La Sirena retail store advertisement? ;)
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Scherf on June 23, 2015, 02:54:33 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: JVboob on June 23, 2015, 05:01:32 AM
I wouldnt go as far as dogs would rather be running free. When we still had land our dogs were out side 90% of the time and chose to stay around because they are a social animal and problem solvers. we did have any fences either
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Rich46yo on June 25, 2015, 08:38:40 PM
There is half a dozen youtube videos of it...heck one came right up on the beach and grabbed a guy....never seen a great white do that...actually never seen a video of a Great White winning a fight against a Orca....it's almost as if the whale does it for sport.
I hope alcohol is the reason for this post. Then its forgivable.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 25, 2015, 08:40:02 PM
I hope alcohol is the reason for this post. Then its forgivable.
Your free to use youtube....
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Scherf on June 25, 2015, 09:24:24 PM
Seems to me the only attacks have been by captive orca, short of a guy who was cut for 100 stitches. There is one fatal attack by a captive whale, of apparently four in total, which might have been caused by bites, more likely due to impact.
So, yeah, not a lot of evidence that orca are a threat to ordinary folk.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 25, 2015, 09:58:32 PM
Do you have a brain and can you list the attacks on humans by wild Orca's?
Yes, I do and if you had one as well, you'd be able to use it to do a search like I did and see the list of the known attacks on humans by orcas in the wild. Since you don't seem to have one, here is a news article from New Zealand about a diver that survived an attack. Now, I'm sure you can find someone in your household with some cognitive skills that can do further searches for you.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Scherf on June 25, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
That link and others say that guy was holding a bag of fresh goodies, and the whale grabbed the bag, not him. He had to get the bag rope off his arm to avoid being dragged deeper.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 26, 2015, 12:58:19 AM
That link and others say that guy was holding a bag of fresh goodies, and the whale grabbed the bag, not him. He had to get the bag rope off his arm to avoid being dragged deeper.
All of the recorded attacks are similar in that way, the orcas didn't purposely target humans, the humans just got in the way and were hurt. The attack that didn't happen was the one the video showed, that one was just an edited video for some commercial in the Dominican Republic.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Rich46yo on June 26, 2015, 01:44:04 PM
Hey genius you said "at least a half dozen".
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There are at least a half dozen documented and confirmed cases of Orcas in the wild attacking human beings.
Yes, I do and if you had one as well, you'd be able to use it to do a search like I did and see the list of the known attacks on humans by orcas in the wild. Since you don't seem to have one, here is a news article from New Zealand about a diver that survived an attack. Now, I'm sure you can find someone in your household with some cognitive skills that can do further searches for you.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: FLOOB on June 26, 2015, 04:49:17 PM
The World News Daily Report is a tabloid bruh.
Some other "News" stories on that site:
Missouri pig brothel dismantled in FBI raid
Woman gives birth to 40 pound baby
Little old lady arrested for making fur coats with neighbors' cats
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: mbailey on June 26, 2015, 07:46:38 PM
Not sure if this is on topic with the thread but......
We were out Shark fishing today and had ( what we guessed) was a 12/13 ft white shark come into our chum line........amazing creatures. After watching it for about an hr we decided to leave the area lest we get one on the gear.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: guncrasher on June 26, 2015, 10:47:38 PM
Don't you have fingers and the ability to type? All you need to do is type in Google "Orca attacks on humans".
Being part Vulcan. He's too busy with his new job a a marine social worker doing mind melds with the Orca at Sea World and listening to their problems.
Dont listen to them Rich. If they intelligent enough to communicate. They are intelligent enough to lie about their conditions. My other Vulcan friend tells me they are notorious mackerel addicts and will do and say anything to get their fix.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 27, 2015, 05:42:59 PM
Do you have a brain and can you list the attacks on humans by wild Orca's?
There are few recorded cases of wild orcas threatening humans.[2][7] Point Sur, seen from the north on Highway 1
In the 1910s, the Terra Nova Expedition recorded that killer whales had attempted to tip ice floes on which an expedition photographer and a sled dog team were standing.[8] On June 15, 1972, the hull of the 43-foot-long (13 m) wooden schooner Lucette (Lucy) was stove in by a pod of killer whales and sank approximately 200 miles west of the Galapagos Islands. The group of six people aboard escaped to an inflatable life raft and a solid-hull dinghy.[9] On September 9, 1972,[10] a Californian surfer named Hans Kretschmer reported being bitten by a killer whale at Point Sur; most maintain that this remains the only fairly well-documented instance of a wild orca biting a human.[11][12] His wounds required 100 stitches.[12] In August 2005, while swimming in four feet of water in Helm Bay, near Ketchikan, Alaska, a 12-year-old boy named Ellis Miller was "bumped" in the shoulder by a 25-foot transient killer whale.[11][13] The boy was not bitten or injured in any way. The bay is frequented by harbor seals, and it is possible that the whale misidentified him as prey.[13] During the filming of the third episode of the BBC documentary Frozen Planet (2011), a group of orcas were filmed trying to "wave wash"[14] the film crew's 18-foot zodiac boat as they were filming. The crew had earlier taped the group hunting seals in the same fashion. It was not mentioned if any of the crew were hurt in the encounter.[15] The crew described the orcas as being very tolerant of the film makers' presence. Over the course of 14 days they filmed over 20 different attacks on seals, many of which the film's series producer Vanessa Berlowitz describe as training exercises for the young calves in the group.[16][17] On February 10, 2014, a free diver in Horahora Estuary near Whangarei, New Zealand was pulled down for over 40 seconds by a killer whale that grabbed a bag containing crayfish and urchins, which was attached to his arm by a rope. The rope eventually came free. He then undid his weight belt and returned to the surface with his last breath. He had lost all feeling in his arm and could no longer swim, but his cousin was nearby and helped him float to some rocks where the feeling in his arm returned.
Fact. While it is rare. Even in captivity. Attacks by Orca on humans have happened
Not sure if this is on topic with the thread but......
We were out Shark fishing today and had ( what we guessed) was a 12/13 ft white shark come into our chum line........amazing creatures. After watching it for about an hr we decided to leave the area lest we get one on the gear.
Let me see if I got their right.
You were out chumming fishing for sharks. And when a shark actually showed up. You decided to leave instead of fish for it?
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: icepac on June 27, 2015, 08:12:49 PM
Yes, they pulled lines so they didn't leave a huge and unlandable shark with gear hanging off his mouth.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: mbailey on June 27, 2015, 09:52:58 PM
You were out chumming fishing for sharks. And when a shark actually showed up. You decided to leave instead of fish for it?
Yes
We were out catching and tagging Blue Sharks, Thresher Sharks and Makos as part of the NOAA Cooperative Shark Tagging Program. Given the white sharks conservation status (vulnerable headed to endangered) we do our best to make sure none of them get in any of our gear. While Threshers (all 3 species) and Makos are also listed as vulnerable.....they are still considered a game fish, (White sharks are not) and the NOAA uses the data to help study migration patterns and develop size limits for fishermen. Last ur we caught an 11ft Scalloped Hammerhead. It was released unharmed. Cool thing is we will get Notification if one of the sharks we tag are caught (if the tag is reported) We had a Blue that we tagged 10yrs ago off Brielle NJ that was caught and released last year) down in the Gulf of Mexico off Costa Rico.
We do it 3 times a year, and I've been doing it for 16yrs. Great fun actually. All are released unharmed, and the hooks we use rust out in a month or two. It's a way that us fisherman can give back, it's strictly a volunteer program but some of the most tiring work out there. Trust me after reeling in your 6th Blue shark of the day, your arms are about numb.
Title: Re: Massive great white
Post by: Gman on July 08, 2015, 07:44:23 PM
Anyone see Shark Week last night? The "Bride of Jaws" episode featured a quick clip showing a small pod of 3 Killer Whales coming in and mowing a large Great White in a show of dominance in a feeding area.
Apparently the entire crew of several boats saw it, and got excellent footage which they for some reason DIDN'T SHARE on the program. Considering it's only one of a few times this behavior has been seen, and certainly the first to get really good as it happened footage from several cams and angles, hopefully they will someday release it in another program. From the Facebook posts about it, apparently the two larger adult orcas did the old flip the white shark over and immobilize/drown it trick, then let it go briefly to let the younger orca practice doing the same. Interesting stuff, I'd really like to see it.