General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ghi on July 22, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Title: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: ghi on July 22, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Buhahhaha , I just read this one, interesting; :bhead now any punk geek can drive me in a ditch :frown: :(
"Two computer-security researchers demonstrated they could take control of a moving Jeep Cherokee using the vehicle’s wireless communications system, raising new questions about the safety of Internet-connected cars."
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: Mar on July 22, 2015, 11:20:35 AM
Why does there exist a car that can have its brakes disabled electronically???
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: Karnak on July 22, 2015, 11:33:21 AM
It seems that at least some auto manufacturers need to be informed that not everything needs to be networked. Want the entertainment system to have bluetooth and wifi? Fine, but have that system completely separate (as in no hardware connection) from the engine and brake electronics. Only a physically plugged in tool should be able to access the engine computer to update its firmware.
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: Skuzzy on July 22, 2015, 11:36:39 AM
Why does there exist a car that can have its brakes disabled electronically???
There is an electronic inhibitor used when the ABS system kicks in. It prevents the brake pedal from adding pressure to the brakes. If you trick the system into thinking the wheels are locked up, the inhibitor should kick in and pressure relieved from the brakes.
Sounds like the software was written assuming nothing external of it would interfere.
I am so glad I am building my own cars.
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: FLOOB on July 22, 2015, 01:12:17 PM
I'm not into cyber. But as far as security goes, as bad as physical security is, I've always felt that cyber red teams had the easier job, and it just seems to get easier by the year.
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: SysError on July 22, 2015, 01:13:56 PM
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: ghi on July 22, 2015, 01:17:04 PM
Immediately after this story/video was released yesterday, a bill was introduced directing federal regulators to set security standards for vehicles; http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hackers-take-over-a-jeep-from-10-miles-away-2015-07-21 maybe the software was designed by NSA to catch terrorists dweebs,; what if the airbag cartridges are loaded with nerve gas or C-4?! :noid
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: FLOOB on July 22, 2015, 01:25:14 PM
Something interesting I just saw in that video. The guy says "in the old days you just locked your door and your valuables were safe". Car door locks are wafer locks, wafer locks are simple as far as locks go. A car door lock can be opened with a popsickle stick.
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: VonMessa on July 22, 2015, 02:00:50 PM
There is an electronic inhibitor used when the ABS system kicks in. It prevents the brake pedal from adding pressure to the brakes. If you trick the system into thinking the wheels are locked up, the inhibitor should kick in and pressure relieved from the brakes.
Sounds like the software was written assuming nothing external of it would interfere.
I am so glad I am building my own cars.
Ironically, we just had a truck in the shop (International Dealership) where there was a data-link problem. The trans computer wasn't seeing the ECM, so the ABS would kick-on when the trans was put into gear. It turns-out that the trans computer was full of water.
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: Beefcake on July 22, 2015, 02:37:27 PM
And this is why I will try and keep my old 98 Dodge Ram running. Sure it's old, drinks gas like chocolate milk and has to goto the doctor often, but at least I know I'll be safe when the Cylons attack.
Driving around in my Battlestar Galatica.
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: pipz on July 22, 2015, 04:00:02 PM
And this is why I will try and keep my old 98 Dodge Ram running. Sure it's old, drinks gas like chocolate milk and has to goto the doctor often, but at least I know I'll be safe when the Cylons attack. Driving around in my Battlestar Galatica.
So say we all !!!!!
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: icepac on July 22, 2015, 05:54:59 PM
The Cobra is a kit, albeit a highly modified one (adding an IRS suspension). The second one will have the body of a 62 Corvette. The third will be a ground up design of my own.
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: Waldo on July 23, 2015, 06:12:02 PM
Maybe those two "hackers" work for a rival automobile company! :devil
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: guncrasher on July 23, 2015, 09:56:45 PM
I own a 2014 chevy impala. have yet to have 2 dorks stand in front of my car trying to take control of it :).
semp
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: DREDIOCK on July 23, 2015, 11:19:52 PM
The Cobra is a kit, albeit a highly modified one (adding an IRS suspension). The second one will have the body of a 62 Corvette. The third will be a ground up design of my own.
Do you know anything about SX150 Lambretta gear box ratios?
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: Skuzzy on July 24, 2015, 06:31:26 AM
The Cobra is a kit, albeit a highly modified one (adding an IRS suspension). The second one will have the body of a 62 Corvette. The third will be a ground up design of my own.
62 Vette is the best looking of them all on my opinion: 50s style nose, stingray style tail. Perfect.
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: Skuzzy on July 24, 2015, 09:21:44 AM
62 Vette is the best looking of them all on my opinion: 50s style nose, stingray style tail. Perfect.
That is the Wife's assertion as well. And guess who the 62 Vette is for? Yup. How do you think I got my Cobra? :)
The challenge with her car is it will look like a 62, but have the underpinnings of a C5.
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: jeep00 on July 24, 2015, 03:41:48 PM
Thing is, everyone wants a Jeep. This is as close as they could get. :devil
Secondarily, they've been able to do this with the Prius for years but no one wants to... :bolt:
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: Volron on July 24, 2015, 08:48:17 PM
Why did something like this come to mind when I saw the title???
https://youtu.be/pQPXADtkQv0?t=3m44s
:noid
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: ghi on July 25, 2015, 07:11:02 AM
Chrysler issued a recall yesterday for 1.4 milion vehicles ; :rock http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/business/fiat-chrysler-recalls-1-4-million-vehicles-to-fix-hacking-issue.html
Title: Re: Hackers Show They Can Take Control of Moving Jeep Cherokee
Post by: ghi on August 14, 2015, 11:20:30 AM