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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: seano on August 23, 2015, 04:29:30 PM
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ITS NOT SPYING WHEN YOU SEE AN NOE FROM YOUR OWN CV'S RADAR. AND GETTING ACCUSED OF CHEATING KIND OF SUCKS. THEN LOSING CHAT PRIVELEGES, WELL I GUESS SOME UNHAPPY BISH CONTROLS CHAT PRIVELEGES. GET BETTER AT THE GAME AND YOU WONT DIE SO MUCH, YOUR MISSIONS WONT FAIL SO MUCH, AND YOU CAN HAVE AS MUCH FUN AS ME.
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ITS NOT CHEATING FOR KNOWING TACTICS OF THE ENEMY.
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It is, however a war crime, when your caps lock is broken :aok
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Ahhh. But it is cheating to use all caps.
Damn you guppy.
On the serious side there is no arguing with conspiracy theorists. They are the water, you are the ducks back.
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Finding and jumping a mission and being called a cheat is one of the best ways to enjoy yourself. If you were mass reported and lost chat, email hitech. If you responded inappropriately to their whining then a) they win and b) chat loss is your fault. Oh and c) this thread means you aren't having as much as you are.
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ITS NOT SPYING WHEN YOU SEE AN NOE FROM YOUR OWN CV'S RADAR. AND GETTING ACCUSED OF CHEATING KIND OF SUCKS. THEN LOSING CHAT PRIVELEGES, WELL I GUESS SOME UNHAPPY BISH CONTROLS CHAT PRIVELEGES. GET BETTER AT THE GAME AND YOU WONT DIE SO MUCH, YOUR MISSIONS WONT FAIL SO MUCH, AND YOU CAN HAVE AS MUCH FUN AS ME.
Why is it always you getting blamed?? Two same guys! Always show up! Who happen to switch sides OFTEN at times of mish planning. Just play faithfull or continue to be one of the more hated players!
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The best response to confusion about losing chat privileges is emailing support. Complaining on the BB is not useful.
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A certain other individual, when I was on rooks and he was on bishops, PMd another rook with the location of yesterday's mid day bishop Lancaster raid. That's spying for sure, too. He'll keep denying it, but everyone knows he is a spy now.
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WELL, THIS WILL GET UGLIER BEFORE IT GETS BETTER. BISH, BE PREPARED TO LOSE ALL YOUR MOJO, MASS CHAT REPORTING COMING YOUR WAY. WE, AS KNIGHTS, WILL UNITE TO SHUT YOU DOWN.
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uh oh :x
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Why is it always you getting blamed?? Two same guys! Always show up! Who happen to switch sides OFTEN at times of mish planning. Just play faithfull or continue to be one of the more hated players!
I USUALLY ONLY SWITCH BETWEEN ROOK AND KNIGHTS. I GO TO WICHEVER SIDE BISH NEED TO DOMINATE TO WIN THE MAP. I USUALLY ONLY FIGHT AGAINST BISH, SINCE THEY ARE EASIER KILLS AND HAVE VERRY NARROW MINDED TACTICS, POP RADAR, WAIT FOR NOE RAID.
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WELL, THIS WILL GET UGLIER BEFORE IT GETS BETTER. BISH, BE PREPARED TO LOSE ALL YOUR MOJO, MASS CHAT REPORTING COMING YOUR WAY. WE, AS KNIGHTS, WILL UNITE TO SHUT YOU DOWN.
Yes Yes great plan. Im sure hitech is good with that.
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Why is it always you getting blamed?? Two same guys! Always show up! Who happen to switch sides OFTEN at times of mish planning. Just play faithfull or continue to be one of the more hated players!
Play faithful. :rofl
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Trying to talk to the Mods in the game is never encouraged and historically turns out poorly for the individual . While sadly you can be mass reported and the system process must take it seriously. If Hitech were concerned with spying, we would not have the ability to create multiple accounts, communicate across countries, outside VOX servers, chat programs, e-mail, along with your home\cel phone would have to be banned if he were concerned. Hitech is powerful enough to force us to give up all of that while we are logged into the game......WoW... :O
And what if my neighbor and I fly on two different countries, can see each other through our windows, and want to use a dry erase marker to write notes to each other on our windows while we are flying?.....hire the local mafia all around the world to station goons in everyone's neighborhood based on your credit card? That would be a fast way to go broke.
POTW over the last two years launched three very secret NOE missions we made sure no one could guess we were in route. All three got intercepted while we were still on the deck short of our popup point. Eventually from players for the other countries we found out it was not spies, just a CV group at maximum range we didn't account for every time. Should have heard our spies grousing each time.
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WELL, THIS WILL GET UGLIER BEFORE IT GETS BETTER. BISH, BE PREPARED TO LOSE ALL YOUR MOJO, MASS CHAT REPORTING COMING YOUR WAY. WE, AS KNIGHTS, WILL UNITE TO SHUT YOU DOWN.
wondering if he can spell "OCD" :cheers:
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ITS NOT SPYING WHEN YOU SEE AN NOE FROM YOUR OWN CV'S RADAR. AND GETTING ACCUSED OF CHEATING KIND OF SUCKS. THEN LOSING CHAT PRIVELEGES, WELL I GUESS SOME UNHAPPY BISH CONTROLS CHAT PRIVELEGES. GET BETTER AT THE GAME AND YOU WONT DIE SO MUCH, YOUR MISSIONS WONT FAIL SO MUCH, AND YOU CAN HAVE AS MUCH FUN AS ME.
Go get em tiger!
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Go get em tiger!
:rofl
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In.
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uh oh :x
LOL isn't it sad that year after year, despite all the efforts, you just can't fix stupid? :)
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LOL isn't it sad that year after year, despite all the efforts, you just can't fix stupid? :)
sure you can, just let them play with dangerous weapons...................... .........
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I don't mind the pms's but when others can get you silenced, on a Sunday, for nothing more than shooting down a goon or 5, it gets me pissed. Yes, I change my name sometimes, and lose the perks that go with it. But I take pride in busting those noe raids. I even bailed from a p51 to up a corsair to bust that raid. On the first one, I just happened to be coming in for a landing from bush city to intercept a raid on the base I was landing. Got the goon with 3 troops out with my nose gunner.
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Thats not it. its that every time somthing fishy happens your there.
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Thats not it. its that every time somthing fishy happens your there.
Clearly, you're nuts.
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I don't mind the pms's but when others can get you silenced, on a Sunday, for nothing more than shooting down a goon or 5, it gets me pissed. Yes, I change my name sometimes, and lose the perks that go with it. But I take pride in busting those noe raids. I even bailed from a p51 to up a corsair to bust that raid. On the first one, I just happened to be coming in for a landing from bush city to intercept a raid on the base I was landing. Got the goon with 3 troops out with my nose gunner.
That is so nice to find. I would have been LMFAO at all those dudes if they called me out for that. Would have been hilarious.
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Peanut, it's not EVERY time because I assure you, I was there and the mission Seano busted did fly through our friendly CV's radar. It wasn't just him on the way there were several, including me.
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yeah, it was a moment of " awww look at this! NOE!.... Then about 30 calls to WAIT, don't up yet! Let them come to our wirbs of doom!"
Then instead of rising to the challenge, Mass bail... :bhead
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Uh-oh. In b4 the lock....
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111134695/3927019-4344413789-37043.jpg)
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I also want to be a cool kid and be in before the lock - YOLO. :cool:
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Why is it always you getting blamed?? Two same guys! Always show up! Who happen to switch sides OFTEN at times of mish planning. Just play faithfull or continue to be one of the more hated players!
Did you not read what I wrote? I switch to whatever side bish need to roll to win the maps. That's why you see me busting your missions so often. That's not cheating, that's me enjoying my 15 dollar monthly fee.
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See Forum Posting Rule #8 for sure, and maybe even #7, too:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229014.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229014.0.html)
:rolleyes:
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See Forum Posting Rule #8 for sure, and maybe even #7, too:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229014.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229014.0.html)
:rolleyes:
Not outing any one player, I'm blaming the bish in general.
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I hope everyone understands that the report command purpose is to report bad text/voice behavior and not game play behavior.
In the past we have had squads (or group of people) mass report people for no real reason, and when that happens we suspend chat of the players who did the reporting.
HiTech
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I hope everyone understands that the report command purpose is to report bad text/voice behavior and not game play behavior.
In the past we have had squads (or group of people) mass report people for no real reason, and when that happens we suspend chat of the players who did the reporting.
HiTech
This is true. From my days in another squad, we thought we would report a guy for playing in a way we thought was unfair (a CV thing).
We learned very quickly that, that is not what the report feature is for. Do NOT push that button for game play...
We learned a tough love lesson that month... Be warned!
On the other hand. Simply report it and let them look into it. They are more than fair when it comes to this issue.
:rock
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Thank you for responding Mr.Hitech sir
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See Forum Posting Rule #8 for sure, and maybe even #7, too:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229014.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229014.0.html)
:rolleyes:
:noid
Don't forget#5...oh wait...
(http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/The-Knights-Who-Say-Ni-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-591178_1008_566.jpg)
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Thank you for responding Mr.Hitech sir
Awee how cute caps lock is gone
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I USUALLY ONLY SWITCH BETWEEN ROOK AND KNIGHTS. I GO TO WICHEVER SIDE BISH NEED TO DOMINATE TO WIN THE MAP. I USUALLY ONLY FIGHT AGAINST BISH, SINCE THEY ARE EASIER KILLS AND HAVE VERRY NARROW MINDED TACTICS, POP RADAR, WAIT FOR NOE RAID.
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Sheesh, you'd think he got kicked out of a bishop squad or something with all that anger. Sad.
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What cracks me up is that some people actually think there is a difference between how each country plays...They all have done the same things..horde, roll bases, come in with alt, just wanna furball etc
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This is true. From my days in another squad, we thought we would report a guy for playing in a way we thought was unfair (a CV thing).
We learned very quickly that, that is not what the report feature is for. Do NOT push that button for game play...
We learned a tough love lesson that month... Be warned!
On the other hand. Simply report it and let them look into it. They are more than fair when it comes to this issue.
:rock
Peer pressure might be the only way to limit spying. I don't think HT has the ability to stop it even if he wanted to, which is really unfortunate: having (or simply believing that!) your mission was jumped due to a spy report takes a huge chunk of fun out of the game. The two or three known (well, okay, "believed-by-me," but I'm very anti-paranoia) regular spies do seem to limit their presence and behavior when they're called out on it. Maybe more condemnation on country would help.
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Being able to shoot the spies in their face when they're reporting you to the enemy sure would help.
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Maybe all you worried about spies types should approach the game differently.
Why not out skill the other guy or hit them in the face while they are trying to stop you. Since no on really dies, it would seem that actual cartoon conflict would be the point of the game instead of avoiding it at all costs. :aok
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In my opinion the cries of Spies and Shades hurts this game so much more than what little spying or shading is really happening that it isn't really comparable. You folks who diminish your opponents skills and efforts because you failed are taking away from the game, not adding to it.
I know one thing for an absolute fact, the spying and shading is happening a lot less than you think.
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Peer pressure might be the only way to limit spying. I don't think HT has the ability to stop it even if he wanted to, which is really unfortunate: having (or simply believing that!) your mission was jumped due to a spy report takes a huge chunk of fun out of the game. The two or three known (well, okay, "believed-by-me," but I'm very anti-paranoia) regular spies do seem to limit their presence and behavior when they're called out on it. Maybe more condemnation on country would help.
This is one of the most hurtful (to the game) advices I have heard in a long time.
Why? Because 9 out of 10 "spy" accusations are as all those countless "cheat" and "hack" accusations clogging up all communication channels these days. I got myself accused of using shades or similar illicit means hundreds of times. Literally. Never there was any substance to it. Ever.
Once ago I was amused by this, thinking "it's just jerks, laugh & squelch em". But it's not limited to PM's. You get 'called out' on 200 and of course on their country channel. Again and again and again.
Each time a NOE mission fails or a CV gets sunk a tad farther out at sea there will be the usual kneejerk reaction of "SPIEZ!".
Find the M3 in your whiteflagged town? "You could never ever know I was there, there was no GV spawn! CHEATER". As if you would not shoot at an m3 just because you were actually looking for a landing goon. OR as if never ever someone did that "GV stunt without spawn" before :rolleyes:
These days, new players learn that spies and hackers are everywhere in Aces High. Your goon get's shot down? Spy!. Your tank round glances off? Hacker! Bish won the war? HTC bias. (You just wonder why the same people spreading that stuff day by day also keep playing day by day.
It's not isolated nonsense anymore, and for sure it's no longer funny at all.
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This is one of the most hurtful (to the game) advices I have heard in a long time.
Why? Because 9 out of 10 "spy" accusations are as all those countless "cheat" and "hack" accusations clogging up all communication channels these days. I got myself accused of using shades or similar illicit means hundreds of times. Literally. Never there was any substance to it. Ever.
Once ago I was amused by this, thinking "it's just jerks, laugh & squelch em". But it's not limited to PM's. You get 'called out' on 200 and of course on their country channel. Again and again and again.
Each time a NOE mission fails or a CV gets sunk a tad farther out at sea there will be the usual kneejerk reaction of "SPIEZ!".
Find the M3 in your whiteflagged town? "You could never ever know I was there, there was no GV spawn! CHEATER". As if you would not shoot at an m3 just because you were actually looking for a landing goon. OR as if never ever someone did that "GV stunt without spawn" before :rolleyes:
These days, new players learn that spies and hackers are everywhere in Aces High. Your goon get's shot down? Spy!. Your tank round glances off? Hacker! Bish won the war? HTC bias. (You just wonder why the same people spreading that stuff day by day also keep playing day by day.
It's not isolated nonsense anymore, and for sure it's no longer funny at all.
This
In huge flashing light, bold type massive font. Very well said.
:aok
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These days, new players learn that spies and hackers are everywhere in Aces High. Your goon get's shot down? Spy!. Your tank round glances off? Hacker! Bish won the war? HTC bias. (You just wonder why the same people spreading that stuff day by day also keep playing day by day.
It's not isolated nonsense anymore, and for sure it's no longer funny at all.
And it's not necessarily confined to new players. Almost daily, I hear on range, and read on country channel the same things Snailman refers to here...being put forth by vets who've been around long enough to know better.
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My wife hates it when I use the C word or the S...
See Forum Posting Rule #8 for sure, and maybe even #7, too:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229014.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229014.0.html)
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Well said (as he violates Rule #5)
Wait, wut...
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And it's not necessarily confined to new players. Almost daily, I hear on range, and read on country channel the same things Snailman refers to here...being put forth by vets who've been around long enough to know better.
Agreed there's far too much paranoia about spies and spying in the game, I wasn't suggesting we add to it by half-cocked accusations. But there are times when the spies give themselves away, either by talking or typing where others can intercept their meant-to-be private communications, or (as in one recent case) by sharing their spyness with a teammate who is rightfully disgusted by such conduct and makes the association public. Under clear-cut circumstances such as those the information ought to be made known to the team affected by it, both for protection purposes and to discourage the spy from future bad behavior.
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The spies in this game are far, FAR less impactful on game play than the accusers and the ones who say they know for a fact.
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I am sure I will get flamed here but I hope my words come across in the positive light they are meant to.
Quit worrying about spies. Even IF they are actually true - all it does is promote an actual fight. You know, human on human air (or if you must do it - land) combat. The game was surely built for that purpose!!??
I do not play much anymore - I did have a couple of hours the other night and I hope to play this weekend. The other night I logged off as all our side was doing was mounting NOE attacks on undefended bases. Once the intent became known they would abandon the area and go seek out another undefended target.
NOT my idea of fun. I say promote the fight. Want to go NOE - bring enough cover for your buffs. 2 buffs, 2 heavy fighters and a couple of goons is not really a strike force is it?
I am all for promoting the fight and if it takes a spy to do that then I am ok with that. Without the fight I fear the game will continue to decline - and no amount of eye candy will make the difference there.
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he got kicked out of his squad and changed name pretended to be noob but his voice gave him away every name change and his old squadys called him out every time feelings hurt for sure :ahand
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I am sure I will get flamed here but I hope my words come across in the positive light they are meant to.
Quit worrying about spies. Even IF they are actually true - all it does is promote an actual fight. You know, human on human air (or if you must do it - land) combat. The game was surely built for that purpose!!??
I do not play much anymore - I did have a couple of hours the other night and I hope to play this weekend. The other night I logged off as all our side was doing was mounting NOE attacks on undefended bases. Once the intent became known they would abandon the area and go seek out another undefended target.
NOT my idea of fun. I say promote the fight. Want to go NOE - bring enough cover for your buffs. 2 buffs, 2 heavy fighters and a couple of goons is not really a strike force is it?
I am all for promoting the fight and if it takes a spy to do that then I am ok with that. Without the fight I fear the game will continue to decline - and no amount of eye candy will make the difference there.
I agree, wouldn't want to actually fight anyone with invincible lives in an online war game. Sheesh. It's about the tactics the squad uses and the teamwork. That in itself would beat any spy and their defensive measures.
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I am sure I will get flamed here but I hope my words come across in the positive light they are meant to.
Quit worrying about spies. Even IF they are actually true - all it does is promote an actual fight. You know, human on human air (or if you must do it - land) combat. The game was surely built for that purpose!!??
I do not play much anymore - I did have a couple of hours the other night and I hope to play this weekend. The other night I logged off as all our side was doing was mounting NOE attacks on undefended bases. Once the intent became known they would abandon the area and go seek out another undefended target.
NOT my idea of fun. I say promote the fight. Want to go NOE - bring enough cover for your buffs. 2 buffs, 2 heavy fighters and a couple of goons is not really a strike force is it?
I am all for promoting the fight and if it takes a spy to do that then I am ok with that. Without the fight I fear the game will continue to decline - and no amount of eye candy will make the difference there.
We have a difference of perspective. Yes, the fight, the teamwork etc are part of what make the game fun. But my goal when I play is to accomplish things for my team (usually bish) and a fight will naturally develop out of that. Having a fighter waiting at alt for my lancs because a spy gave him info really sucks. I spent the better part of an hour getting in position and someone's waiting for me who otherwise wouldn't be? My time's been wasted and my chances of surviving the fight--or even making a decent battle out of it--are minimal. How is this in any sense a good thing for anyone except the guy (and team) with the inside information?
Having said all that, the above scenario rarely happens to me--I think spies are more focused on missions than individuals, and even then (as I think Lusche said) busted missions are very much more likely due to legitimate game play by the opponent instead of spying. But it's the unfair advantage that's not cool, however and whenever used, and is detrimental to the game.
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I spent the better part of an hour getting in position and someone's waiting for me who otherwise wouldn't be?
So if he happened to luck into you, that would be ok? There's no difference in gameplay. Why do you make an issue of it if you don't like the reason why he's there?
Wiley.
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I've taken up fighters and simply "loitered" over what I thought to be a targeted base or area. Not because I had a second account spying or information from another country, but because I wanted to "catch incoming buffs".
The only way i could do that is, very much like bomber pilots, was to spend the time to get to altitude and search potential incoming dar bars visually.
It is unfortunate when game circumstances put you on the Sh*t end of the stick. :joystick: But that doesn't mean someone cheated for that to happen everytime, despite what we all believe at times... :mad:
I love hearing the whines from Lancaster pilots; I took a barely defended bomber with the most ords in the hanger up and someone slaughtered me at an altitude i thought was safe... take a B17 next time and gun the pesky fighter out of the air! Get some fighter support....
The bottom line is that if someone is willing to pay extra (by having a second or third account on the opposing countries), it's their choice and knowing "where the action is" is their reward. Real money folks... real money.
It sure would be nice to limit spying as it is one of this game's elements that leaves a really bad taste in subscribers mouths... Bad enough to push them away from the game... So you're extra account or two doesn't make up for the subscribers you're driving away from the game bub... :old:
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I'm an unapologetic alt monkey.
I was a weapons tech in the Air force. My job was to have friendly fighters in place when the enemies came in to my airspace and vector them in for a kill. The "plotting boards" I saw and used in the Air Force were very much like the map that shows dar bars and dar "blips".
Im sitting at 35k in my TA152 in the cat birds seat. I've got enough alt to be able to descend and intercept you the moment I find you to be in an acceptable range for me to defend. that area is about 10 square sectors on the map. On many maps that can be the entire front for your country.
I am far away from the best fighter pilot in the game. What I do have, and you can ask my squaddies about this, is INFINITE PATIENCE, and the skill set to kill all 3 of your buffs before you drop.
3 things will save you.
1.) Really really good gunnery that can damage me before I kill all 3 of your buffs.
2.) Pretty good fighter escorts that will take away my advantages.
3.) Luck
Don't rely on the third, go to the second whenever possible, keep flying and develop the first.
I would never use spy information to play against you even if I could. That is not fair.
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Only about every knight saw that noe.
In fact it was obvious I thought it was a decoy.
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When I was with the C-Hawks, I remember I was being chased by 2 cons, I was low on fuel and running home with 6 or 7 kills. I asked a squadie to come up from this certain base and meet me 1/2 way so i could get away. anybody that knows me, well knows how well I give directions. I asked for him to take off and heading straight SE about a sector away. actually i was SW 1 sector away. He flew for a sector before mentioned to me that there was no green icon in that sector at all, that's when I looked at the map. then he proceeded to say that there was an noe mission right under him heading south to a base 2 sectors away.
as I was approaching the friendly base 2 guys were taking off, I told them about the noe, I forgot I had kills so all of us promptly bailed and upped from the target base. 3 or 4 other guys also came the noe mission probably flew for 5 or 6 sectors and didnt even make it to town. oh the claims of spying were strong, but it was all due to my sense of direction :).
semp
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I often fly fighters noe going very slow to the middle of nowhere and often am intercepted.
Then I shoot them down.
Spying does occur but it's more a "friendly" who has an axe to grind vectoring enemy to you than anything else.
I downed a HQ and flew my lancasters way out of flashing range in the opposite direction of "home" and landed 3 sectors from the nearest base, and went AFK for about an hour.
I came back and was preparing to take back off when I got into an argument with a friendly who sailed every cv into an enemy PT spawn and suddenly a dar bar appeared 3 sectors away and beelined toward my landed Lancaster......which he found and shot down without performing any sort of search pattern.
Yes, there are spies who's intent is to diminish other player's experience.
These are the kind of guys the sim doesn't need.
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I often fly fighters noe going very slow to the middle of nowhere and often am intercepted.
Then I shoot them down.
Spying does occur but it's more a "friendly" who has an axe to grind vectoring enemy to you than anything else.
I downed a HQ and flew my lancasters way out of flashing range in the opposite direction of "home" and landed 3 sectors from the nearest base, and went AFK for about an hour.
I came back and was preparing to take back off when I got into an argument with a friendly who sailed every cv into an enemy PT spawn and suddenly a dar bar appeared 3 sectors away and beelined toward my landed Lancaster......which he found and shot down without performing any sort of search pattern.
Yes, there are spies who's intent is to diminish other player's experience.
These are the kind of guys the sim doesn't need.
hang on a sec.. your experience was diminshed while sitting on the ground in a lanc? for an hour? 3 sectors from any base?
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:rolleyes:
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:rofl
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hang on a sec.. your experience was diminshed while sitting on the ground in a lanc? for an hour? 3 sectors from any base?
:aok
:rolleyes:
As usual, you have zero to add.
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So if he happened to luck into you, that would be ok? There's no difference in gameplay. Why do you make an issue of it if you don't like the reason why he's there?
Wiley.
Of course it would be okay if he lucked into me, or loitered in a likely area. He played fair and won. Totally not cool for someone to be waiting because a spy told him where I was going in relatively defenseless planes. Why is the difference between the two scenarios not obvious?
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Of course it would be okay if he lucked into me, or loitered in a likely area. He played fair and won. Totally not cool for someone to be waiting because a spy told him where I was going in relatively defenseless planes. Why is the difference between the two scenarios not obvious?
Under the first scenario, you have an opponent to deal with. Under the second scenario, you also have an opponent to deal with. What difference does it make how he got there, and how do you know with certainty why he is there? It's an opponent. Fight it out with him.
Wiley.