General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on September 15, 2015, 02:42:26 PM
Title: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: rpm on September 15, 2015, 02:42:26 PM
I hope everyone has their End of the World survival kits together. According to some Mormons, it's in 2 weeks. (http://www.sltrib.com/home/2935776-155/some-mormons-stocking-up-amid-fears)
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Some Mormons stocking up amid fears that doomsday could come this month
Mixing a brew of biblical prophecies, the Hebrew calendar, a volatile economy, world politics, a reported near-death experience and astronomical occurrences, hordes of Utahns have become convinced that calamitous events are imminent — maybe by month's end — and are taking every precaution.
They are called "preppers" and are buying up food-storage kits, flashlights, blankets and tents. Some are even bracing to leave their homes — if need be.
At American Fork's Thrive Life, which sells mostly freeze-dried food, sales have shot up by "500 percent or more in the past couple of months," says customer- service representative Ricardo Aranda. "There is a sense of urgency, like something is up. A lot of people are mentioning things about September, like a financial collapse."
Jordan Jensen, a salesman at Emergency Essentials, said his Bountiful store has been "crazy busy, sales up by definitely a large amount."
Those 72-hour emergency kits are "almost impossible to keep on the shelves," Jensen says, "and we get a shipment every day."
A lot of customers, he says, believe "this is the month it will all happen — with a 'blood moon' and a currency collapse and everything."
Here's how the doomsday scenario plays out: History, some preppers believe, is divided into seven-year periods — like the Hebrew notion of "shemitah" or Sabbath. In 2008, seven years after 9/11, the stock market crashed, a harbinger of a devastating recession. It's been seven years since then, and Wall Street has fluctuated wildly in recent weeks in the wake of China devaluing its currency.
Thus, they believe, starting Sept. 13, the beginning of the Jewish High Holy Days, there will be another, even larger financial crisis, based on the United States' "wickedness." That would launch the "days of tribulation" — as described in the Bible. ...
Serious question. If the world is going to end with 7 years of tribulation, what good is a 72 hour survival kit? Not sure they thought that part through.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: pembquist on September 15, 2015, 04:02:26 PM
So what happened in 1994 or 1987 or 80?
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Post by: Yankee67 on September 15, 2015, 04:39:53 PM
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: craz07 on September 16, 2015, 11:35:59 AM
As long as you keep fueling up your cars everything will be ok
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: ghi on September 16, 2015, 04:17:58 PM
I've just read the article below in Mailonline; this woman experienced some apocalyptic visions back in 2004, about deadly floods affecting Mormons this month,wrote 2 books to warm people and ...more...... :noid http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235487/The-heavens-let-loose-powers-darkness-rage-Mormon-woman-s-prophecy-world-ending-month-predicted-Utah-s-fatal-flash-floods.html
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Kuhn on September 16, 2015, 05:48:12 PM
https://youtu.be/MeS6DvyLScE
If Twinkies disappear; well..................
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: ghi on September 16, 2015, 06:13:59 PM
Maybe they are right , 7.9 earthquake just hit Chile :pray http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/ The buoys along the west coast of South America are in alert mode showing 20meters/60 ft waves; possible tsunami. http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/
Hmm, was upgraded to 8.3 magnitude : :pray Hawaii under tsunami watch;http://m.greenwichtime.com/news/us/article/Hawaii-under-tsunami-watch-after-8-3-magnitude-6509917.php (http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/40/76/20/8643630/4/920x920.jpg)
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Zoney on September 16, 2015, 06:33:17 PM
My Predictions:
There will be a major earthquake soon that will kill a lot of people.
There will be a hurricane that hits land and kills a a lot of people.
There will be an industrial accident soon that kills a lot of people.
There will be a decline in morals as defined by those with good morals.
There will be food and water shortages in several areas that will kill a lot of people.
Some people will attack some other people and kill a lot of people.
There is going to be a big train accident that kills a lot of people.
There will be a horrific airplane crash that kills a lot of people.
It's going to be really really dark at night and the sun will be very hot in the daytime.
There is going to be a huge snowstorm and a lot of people will be stranded and suffer.
A bunch of animals will go extinct.
There are going to be terrific medical advances but only the rich will be able to afford them so some people will die.
Sea levels will continue to rise until they stop continuing to rise and then the sea levels will start to decline.
A bunch of ice is going to melt and become water until it freezes again and turns into ice.
Bad people are going to attack the Unites States of America and people will be killed by them.
Later when all these predictions prove true I will remind you all of how I am able to tell the future and then you will all want to give me money.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Scherf on September 16, 2015, 07:23:19 PM
Really, you should get the money up front, that's the key.
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Post by: Meatwad on September 16, 2015, 09:45:32 PM
My Predictions
I go to bed
I wake up
I go to work
I go home
I go to bed
repeat for the next 40 years
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: saggs on September 16, 2015, 11:27:54 PM
Ummm...
I'm am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, AKA Mormon, and (maybe because I'm a long way from Utah) this is the first I've heard of this...
Yes we are taught to have a 72 hour kit, and a years worth food storage (or as much as is feasible).. no it's not because we think the apocalypse is nigh. It's because it's always smart to be prepared, not only for natural disasters but other stuff as well. I know families who have dipped into their food storage to make it through financial hard times due to lay offs and unemployment, or unexpected medical bills, or the unexpected death of a breadwinner etc... Laying a little aside for hard times which may come is just good sense. Also this teaching is nothing new, it's been taught in the church for many decades (at least as far back as the 60s)
The personal ideas and attitude of whoever started this theory does not in any way reflect the ideas or attitude of myself or anybody I know in the church. Also it's fair to point out that the Tribune has always had an anti-Mormon bent. As a matter of fact, that is exactly how said newspaper started back in the 1800s (printing anti-Mormon pieces in response to the Deseret News which is owned by the church) But even the anti-Mormon Tribune is fair enough to point out.
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officials with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sent a memo to administrators and teachers in the Church Educational System, saying, "Although Sister Rowe is an active member of the [LDS Church], her book is not endorsed by the church and should not be recommended to students or used as a resource in teaching them. The experiences ... do not necessarily reflect church doctrine, or they may distort doctrine."
The late Mormon apostle Boyd K. Packer said in the October 2011 LDS General Conference that the "end" was not near and urged young Latter-day Saints to plan to live long, productive lives.
Official church doctrine regarding the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ is found in Doctrine and Covenants 49:7 "but the hour and the day no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor shall they know until he comes." So any Mormon who claims they "KNOW" or they've figured out... blah... blah... blah... Well, they are just plain wrong. In reality it's not something we talk about, or dwell on very much at all, if you're living a good life then it's not something you need to worry about, and that's true no matter what religion, or lack thereof, an individual believes.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: saggs on September 16, 2015, 11:33:02 PM
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Zoney on September 17, 2015, 05:22:44 PM
OK, I do see an uptick in sales lately for Honda Generators :)
I also just got off the phone with a guy asking about the big Honda EU7000i to run his entire home. Seemed pleasant enough, intelligent enough to ask the right questions and then I hear,,,,"Is there anything they have to protect the generator from an electromagnetic pulse?".....slight pause .....(me)"you mean from a Thermonuclear explosion ?"......another slight pause......(Him, small voice)....yeah.......(me)"No they do not sir, and I don't think it would matter because if we survived it, all the equipment you want to run, like your air conditioner, your refrigerator, your computer and TV, will be rendered inoperable by that same pulse".........(him) ok, good point and you are the only person that has actually been able to answer that for me, I'll be right down to buy it....................
Seriously, I've got to order another 2 dozen generators tomorrow, they are really selling well.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Wiley on September 17, 2015, 05:28:37 PM
"No they do not sir, and I don't think it would matter because if we survived it, all the equipment you want to run, like your air conditioner, your refrigerator, your computer and TV, will be rendered inoperable by that same pulse".........
:rofl Logic... how does it work?
Wiley.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Meatwad on September 17, 2015, 06:11:47 PM
Yes we are taught to have a 72 hour kit, and a years worth food storage (or as much as is feasible).. no it's not because we think the apocalypse is nigh. It's because it's always smart to be prepared, not only for natural disasters but other stuff as well. I know families who have dipped into their food storage to make it through financial hard times due to lay offs and unemployment, or unexpected medical bills, or the unexpected death of a breadwinner etc... Laying a little aside for hard times which may come is just good sense.
:aok
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: CptTrips on September 20, 2015, 03:35:20 PM
Yeah. That part makes sense. I've been meaning get make a go-bag and store a man-month of MREs. I don't see much down-side to that even if it is never needed.
Now the whole planet Kolob thing... :O
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: NatCigg on September 20, 2015, 04:10:48 PM
oh cmon ol chap whats the fun it that? as for those mormen women, oh yeah! im your huckleberry! everybody needs a good breeder or two!
:salute
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Meatwad on September 20, 2015, 04:55:35 PM
OK, I do see an uptick in sales lately for Honda Generators :)
I also just got off the phone with a guy asking about the big Honda EU7000i to run his entire home. Seemed pleasant enough, intelligent enough to ask the right questions and then I hear,,,,"Is there anything they have to protect the generator from an electromagnetic pulse?".....slight pause .....(me)"you mean from a Thermonuclear explosion ?"......another slight pause......(Him, small voice)....yeah.......(me)"No they do not sir, and I don't think it would matter because if we survived it, all the equipment you want to run, like your air conditioner, your refrigerator, your computer and TV, will be rendered inoperable by that same pulse".........(him) ok, good point and you are the only person that has actually been able to answer that for me, I'll be right down to buy it....................
Seriously, I've got to order another 2 dozen generators tomorrow, they are really selling well.
Offer a promotion. Buy a new generator and you will throw in a DIY tilfoil hat kit (a roll of aluminum foil)
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: saggs on September 20, 2015, 05:07:24 PM
Yeah. That part makes sense. I've been meaning get make a go-bag and store a man-month of MREs. I don't see much down-side to that even if it is never needed.
Now the whole planet Kolob thing... :O
Well the "whole planet Kolob thing" is not really a "thing" at all in the church. It is rarely ever mentioned or discussed because it is not related to any important doctrine or principles. It is only mentioned in a single chapter of scripture as a place which is "nearest the throne of God" and where time is in the reckoning of the Lord's time, where a day to Him is a thousand years to us. Whether you take that metaphorically or literally is a personal decision.
Kolob is also mentioned in one of my favorite hymns, which when sung in church is about the only time Kolob is mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y8Z_7jcwTU
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Brooke on September 20, 2015, 06:09:46 PM
By the way, for folks interested in protecting things from EMP, a cheap and easy way is just to put stuff in a metal trash can with lid (for example, all galvanized steel with steel lid on). You can get a small 6 gallon one like this, which is easy to store:
Or you can get a normal 30 gallon one if you have that much stuff to put in there.
If you get a small one, you can put in a solar charger for AA and AAA batteries, an AM/FM radio, some rechargeable batteries, a couple of flashlights, a hard disk backup, etc. and have much room left over.
For a container to work against EMP it has to be conductive and have electrical contact all the way around. For example, a painted metal box with a lid that doesn't have electrical contact all the way around the lid (because paint is an insulator) would not be a good solution.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: NatCigg on September 20, 2015, 06:19:26 PM
In addition to some breeders were going to need a scientist or two. Hey Brooke wanna come over for coffee?
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Ripsnort on September 20, 2015, 06:24:41 PM
By the way, for folks interested in protecting things from EMP, a cheap and easy way is just to put stuff in a metal trash can with lid (for example, all galvanized steel with steel lid on). You can get a small 6 gallon one like this, which is easy to store:
Or you can get a normal 30 gallon one if you have that much stuff to put in there.
If you get a small one, you can put in a solar charger for AA and AAA batteries, an AM/FM radio, some rechargeable batteries, a couple of flashlights, a hard disk backup, etc. and have much room left over.
For a container to work against EMP it has to be conductive and have electrical contact all the way around. For example, a painted metal box with a lid that doesn't have electrical contact all the way around the lid (because paint is an insulator) would not be a good solution.
Any solar or nuclear EMP could cause the nuclear power stations reactor meltdown; danger doesn't come from above only.I doubt they have all shielded and properly auxiliary power back up to keep it cool; (http://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/united-states-nuclear-reactors-map-50-mile-radius.jpg)
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: rpm on September 20, 2015, 07:21:13 PM
By the way, for folks interested in protecting things from EMP, a cheap and easy way is just to put stuff in a metal trash can with lid (for example, all galvanized steel with steel lid on). You can get a small 6 gallon one like this, which is easy to store:
Or you can get a normal 30 gallon one if you have that much stuff to put in there.
If you get a small one, you can put in a solar charger for AA and AAA batteries, an AM/FM radio, some rechargeable batteries, a couple of flashlights, a hard disk backup, etc. and have much room left over.
For a container to work against EMP it has to be conductive and have electrical contact all the way around. For example, a painted metal box with a lid that doesn't have electrical contact all the way around the lid (because paint is an insulator) would not be a good solution.
It's called a Faraday cage.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Meatwad on September 20, 2015, 07:48:53 PM
Correct. So put in practical terms they can be bigger than a bucket with a lid. Like a shipping container for instance.
A shipping container isnt very practical in size for me but they would work ok as long as the doors make lots of conductive contact all around. Maybe a metal shed with metal floor would work with the same caveats.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: rpm on September 21, 2015, 08:41:24 PM
A shipping container isnt very practical in size for me but they would work ok as long as the doors make lots of conductive contact all around. Maybe a metal shed with metal floor would work with the same caveats.
You're using 'practical' in the wrong sense, but you knew that. Point being size doesn't matter as long as it's surrounded by conductive material. It can be solid or mesh as long as it is sufficient gauge and completely surrounded. A metal shed would work. So would a shipping container and a bucket with a lid or a chainmail suit.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Brooke on September 22, 2015, 11:24:38 AM
You're using 'practical' in the wrong sense, but you knew that. Point being size doesn't matter as long as it's surrounded by conductive material. It can be solid or mesh as long as it is sufficient gauge and completely surrounded. A metal shed would work. So would a shipping container and a bucket with a lid or a chainmail suit.
I mean that, for people like me, without a place to put a shipping container, it is not a practical solution.
Also, a fine point, but one that is important: A metal shed or other container will not be a perfect Faraday cage if a portion of its structure is not in electrical contact all around its boundary. My guess is that most metal sheds would lack a metal floor or would have sliding doors that run on plastic rollers and don't make electrical contact all along their peripheries or would have painted panels that don't make effective conductive contact along their seams to other panels.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: rpm on September 22, 2015, 11:51:02 PM
I mean that, for people like me, without a place to put a shipping container, it is not a practical solution.
Also, a fine point, but one that is important: A metal shed or other container will not be a perfect Faraday cage if a portion of its structure is not in electrical contact all around its boundary. My guess is that most metal sheds would lack a metal floor or would have sliding doors that run on plastic rollers and don't make electrical contact all along their peripheries or would have painted panels that don't make effective conductive contact along their seams to other panels.
Ok, you're just wanting to argue now. Don't understand why, but I'll play along. Perhaps you didn't read or just flat out chose to ignore what I wrote.
It can be solid or mesh as long as it is sufficient gauge and completely surrounded.
You're still using a different definition of practical from how it was used. Here, I'll give you the proper definition so you can keep up:
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of or concerned with the actual doing or use of something rather than with theory and ideas. "there are two obvious practical applications of the research" synonyms: empirical, hands-on, actual, active, applied, heuristic, experiential, evidence-based "practical experience"
Understand now? Sheesh.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: Brooke on September 23, 2015, 10:43:02 AM
You're still using a different definition of practical
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1practical adjective prac·ti·cal \ˈprak-ti-kəl\
: relating to what is real rather than to what is possible or imagined
: likely to succeed and reasonable to do or use
: appropriate or suited for actual use
If you can't use something, it isn't practical, is it? Regardless of its possible functionality, I and most other people can't use shipping containers because we have no place to put them. For us, if we can't use them, they aren't practical. We cannot put them into practice. Maybe for you and a minority of other people in the nation a shipping container is practical. For me and the majority of other people in the nation, it is not.
Title: Re: Beans, Rice, Winchester, Temple Garment
Post by: rpm on September 23, 2015, 11:14:30 AM
So, you're just going to be obtuse. Got it. BTW, that also has multiple definitions.