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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BaldEagl on October 29, 2015, 08:20:46 AM
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I've been at home since early October on medical leave undergoing chemotherapy and radiation for cancer of the larynx. While the Dr's continue to predict a rough road ahead the first four weeks have passed relatively incident free and my prognosis is good so no need for sympathy. I'll be out until Jan 4th (one more chemo cycle, 5 more weeks of radiation then some recovery time) so have some time to spare.
In light of this I've decided to challenge myself to fly every fighter attack aircraft for three sorties during the month of November, in order, alphabetically. No rearms and doing the best I can in the MA regardless of the conditions I run into. This is a variation of something I used to do years ago (fly every plane to 2K/D regardless of time or sorties).
There are 68 planes listed as Fighter or Fighter/Attack. They are (in alphabetical order):
A6M2
A6M3
A6M5b
Bf 109E-4
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-14
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Bf 109K-4
Bf 110C-4b
Bf 110G-2
Brewster
C.202
C.205
F4F-4
F4U-1
F4U-1A
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F4U-4
F6F-5
FM2
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
Hurri Mk I
Hurri Mk II
Hurri Mk IID
I-16
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Ki-84-la
La-5FN
La-7
Me 410
Mosq Mk VI
N1K2-J
P-38G
P-38J
P-38L
P-39D
P-39Q
P-40B
P-40E
P-40F
P-40N
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-40
P-47M
P-47N
P-51B
P-51D
Sea Hurri MkI
Seafire Mk II
Spit Mk I
Spit Mk IX
Spit Mk V
Spit Mk VIII
Spit Mk XIV
Spit Mk XVI
Ta 152H
Temp Mk V
Typh Mk I
Yak-3
Yak-7B
Yak-9T
Yak-9U
I plan to fly 16 planes per week (ideally two per day plus two additional per week) to complete my challenge by the end of the month.
Since I cancelled the Dueling Bracket last year after the "preseason debacle" I may bring it back in January depending on player numbers/interest. As such, since planes are assigned randomly, this could be a good warm up to re-familiarize with the entire plane-set.
I've rarely flown in the past year or two so don't expect to do all that well but if anyone else wants to join the challenge please feel free. I'm thinking it will be fun and something a little different to do in the game and who knows, you might find some new planes to fly along the way.
Anyway, wish me luck and I hope someone else joins in to provide a measuring stick.
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Hi Bald Eagle,
First off, I wish you the best in your ongoing treatments.
A couple of years back I issued "The Emperor's Challenge" to my squad which consisted
of getting a single kill in every fighter in the game over the course of a one month
period.
We had a lot of fun with it and had a lot of laughs as various pilots attempted to
work their way through the planeset.
I think I'll ressurect it effective today as it's our "Squad Night".
Best regards, Odd
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My version used to be "Land a kill in every plane with guns on it". Landing'em was the hardest part.
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Getting well is your priority.
But, this is a great way to dust off the old hangar queens. I did this a couple years ago. I tried to get a kill in every fighter.
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Rua a PT across Gitche Gumee
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I've been at home since early October on medical leave undergoing chemotherapy and radiation for cancer of the larynx. While the Dr's continue to predict a rough road ahead the first four weeks have passed relatively incident free and my prognosis is good so no need for sympathy. I'll be out until Jan 4th (one more chemo cycle, 5 more weeks of radiation then some recovery time) so have some time to spare.
In light of this I've decided to challenge myself to fly every fighter attack aircraft for three sorties during the month of November, in order, alphabetically. No rearms and doing the best I can in the MA regardless of the conditions I run into. This is a variation of something I used to do years ago (fly every plane to 2K/D regardless of time or sorties).
There are 68 planes listed as Fighter or Fighter/Attack. They are (in alphabetical order):
A6M2
A6M3
A6M5b
Bf 109E-4
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-14
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Bf 109K-4
Bf 110C-4b
Bf 110G-2
Brewster
C.202
C.205
F4F-4
F4U-1
F4U-1A
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F4U-4
F6F-5
FM2
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
Hurri Mk I
Hurri Mk II
Hurri Mk IID
I-16
Ki-43
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Ki-84-la
La-5FN
La-7
Me 163
Me 262
Me 410
Mosq Mk VI
N1K2-J
P-38G
P-38J
P-38L
P-39D
P-39Q
P-40C
P-40E
P-40F
P-40N
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-40
P-47M
P-47N
P-51B
P-51D
Sea Hurri MkI
Seafire Mk II
Spit Mk I
Spit Mk IX
Spit Mk V
Spit Mk VIII
Spit Mk XIV
Spit Mk XVI
Ta 152H
Temp Mk V
Typh Mk I
Yak-3
Yak-7B
Yak-9T
Yak-9U
I plan to fly 16 planes per week (ideally two per day plus two additional per week) to complete my challenge by the end of the month.
Since I cancelled the Dueling Bracket last year after the "preseason debacle" I may bring it back in January depending on player numbers/interest. As such, since planes are assigned randomly, this could be a good warm up to re-familiarize with the entire plane-set.
I've rarely flown in the past year or two so don't expect to do all that well but if anyone else wants to join the challenge please feel free. I'm thinking it will be fun and something a little different to do in the game and who knows, you might find some new planes to fly along the way.
Anyway, wish me luck and I hope someone else joins in to provide a measuring stick.
It's 71 fighters. You forgot the Ki-43, Me-163 and Me-262. And The P-40B has been replaced by the P-40C.
Good luck in your quest and in your health. :cheers:
Can't say I've ever gotten kills in every fighter in a single month. Some slower planes like the Hurri I can be frustrating to score a kill with.
On a related note, a personal goal of mine once was to get 100 or more kills in every fighter in the game. That's a good long-term goal for those that like that sort of thing.
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Some slower planes like the Hurri I can be frustrating to score a kill with.
Back in the day the Hurri I was my main ride in the MA for a time, with hundreds of kills .... but that was a different AH *sigh*. Would be completely impossible for me to repeat that these days :old:
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It's 71 fighters. You forgot the Ki-43, Me-163 and Me-262. And The P-40B has been replaced by the P-40C.
Thanks. Updated my list. I was working off my dueling bracket list of two years ago. The Me's were missing as they are not enabled in the DA but I added them for my challenge. Regardless I was missing the Ki-43 and the P-40 B/C switch. Thanks again.
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Back in the day the Hurri I was my main ride in the MA for a time, with hundreds of kills .... but that was a different AH *sigh*. Would be completely impossible for me to repeat that these days
The Hurri I hasn't changed much. It still surprises lots of people.
- oldman
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The Hurri I hasn't changed much.
But the environment has. In my timezone, fundamentally.
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But the environment has. In my timezone, fundamentally.
Indeed, even the last 6 months have seen a dramatic change for the worst for European players. Now its horde or be horded. Never go below 400mph unless having 5 friends to cover you...
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But the environment has. In my timezone, fundamentally.
It would now take you years to duplicate your 900 Hurri I kills, even in US primetime. Few people will engage without all the advantages and fewer still will stick around when any of those advantages are lost. Due to attrition, it feels like the only players remaining have been here for years and the prevailing combat theme is "survival at all costs".
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It would now take you years to duplicate your 900 Hurri I kills, even in US primetime. Few people will engage without all the advantages and fewer still will stick around when any of those advantages are lost. Due to attrition, it feels like the only players remaining have been here for years and the prevailing combat theme is "survival at all costs".
To be fair, I think most of my Hurri victims back then weren't nobly willing to turnfight with me either. They were mostly about survival as well.
But the fights were bigger and more prolonged, which is (for the most part) simply a result of numbers, player density on a map. The fiercer and bigger the battle, the less SA. That made it easier to find enemies who had dropped low and slow enough to be engaged with something as slow as the Hurri I.
But when you engage single cons inbound to your field, you can forget the Hurri I for the most part. You are so easily to avoid for a 47, 38 or Mustang intending to pork your radar, ords or VH.
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Best of luck sir with you health! Please keep posting when you can.
As far as the idea to fly each plane in alpha order until getting a kill in it. Seems I have heard this before somewhere. Hmmmm...
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The Hurri I hasn't changed much. It still surprises lots of people.
Actually, the change was very significant IMO. When the 3D model was upgraded, the new flight model was done from scratch. It became faster and the slower roll rate significantly reduced its ability to change directions.
I agree what Lusche is saying though. Average speeds in the MA have gone up so much that that has even bigger impact on flying the Hurricane than the change in the flight model.
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Actually, the change was very significant IMO. When the 3D model was upgraded, the new flight model was done from scratch. It became faster and the slower roll rate significantly reduced its ability to change directions.
Perhaps you are thinking of one of the new Hurri II variants? The Hurri I is unchanged in performance, so far as I can tell. Flew it again tonight to be sure.
- oldman
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Will be thinking of you and praying bald! :aok
You will WIN!
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In solidarity with BaldEagl, I'm going for a kill in every fighter in November. :salute
I don't fly as much as in the past, but what the heck.
Now, we need to get Lusche/Snailman to shave his head ...
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fear not, winter is coming, more people will be on to kill!! :D
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Thanks guys, I totally needed that list of planes right now.
Go Get em BaldEagl!!! :airplane:
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Now, we need to get Lusche/Snailman to shave his head ...
I'm not ready to take the vows yet :old:
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In solidarity with BaldEagl, I'm going for a kill in every fighter in November. :salute
Hey now, I didn't say I was going to get a kill in every plane, only that I'd fly three sorties in each and do the best I can (excluding timidity).
As little as I've been playing I have to set a low bar.
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Perhaps you are thinking of one of the new Hurri II variants? The Hurri I is unchanged in performance, so far as I can tell. Flew it again tonight to be sure.
Both Hurricane variants had their flight models totally redone. For example Hurricane Mk.I's top speed on WEP was well below 270mph on the deck before the update, current speed is almost 280mph. Also for example the roll acceleration got noticeably slower.
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Both Hurricane variants had their flight models totally redone. For example Hurricane Mk.I's top speed on WEP was well below 270mph on the deck before the update, current speed is almost 280mph. Also for example the roll acceleration got noticeably slower.
Guess we'll just disagree on this.
- oldman
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Guess we'll just disagree on this.
It really isn't a matter of 'opinion'. It is a simple fact that the Hurricane Mk.I's flight model changed along the Mk.II.
Hurricane speeds before the flight models were changed:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/genchart_zps889e8779.png)
Hurricane speeds after the flight models were changed:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=62&p2=55&pw=1>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
Still too hard to believe?
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Still too hard to understand?
Heh. You are as genial as ever.
If these charts are accurate, the Hurri I gained just a bit of speed, but the speed curve remains roughly the same as before (hence my interest in who did the testing). One might therefore surmise that the Hurri I would perform marginally better than it did before, not worse, which you suggested.
Whether the plane goes 260 or 275 mph doesn't much matter, because speed was never the Hurri I's strength and virtually all other planes go faster. I haven't noticed any change in the way it handles. Flew it again tonight to test the thought.
Now the Hurri II variants, sadly they are pigs.
- oldman
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Heh. You are as genial as ever.
Considering your comments in the MA last night as you were "testing" the Hurricane, the above comment from me was more than justified. At first you announced out loud how you were testing because of "your a disagreement with a Finn" on ch200. I mean, what is the need to yap your trap like that? Too hard to just fly the plane? Your last comment on ch200 word to word: "Finn guy loses, the Hurri I is its old self still". Seriously, what does my nationality have anything to do with the issue at hand??
(hence my interest in who did the testing).
Who did what testing?? The data in the performance charts are a straight products from the flight model engine. There is no testing involved.
One might therefore surmise that the Hurri I would perform marginally better than it did before, not worse, which you suggested.
Nowhere have I claimed that "the performance" as a whole of the Hurricane is worse or better. I said that the flight model has changed while you claimed that only the Hurricane IIs changed.
Whether the plane goes 260 or 275 mph doesn't much matter,
~15mph is a big leap in performance for a WWII fighter and therefore a big change in the flight model. That is what the original argument was about.
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The initial roll rate on the 'new' Hurricane I is about 50% slower than with the old version. This alone is a very significant change. The new Hurri I is now quite a different ride.
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The initial roll rate on the 'new' Hurricane I is about 50% slower than with the old version. This alone is a very significant change. The new Hurri I is now quite a different ride.
It's my imagination, then, which is probably not suprising. I bow to Lusche's opinion, which I consider to be disinterested and authoritative.
WMaker, I apologize to you - and to anyone else, for that matter - for offending you with my comments. They were not intended to disparage the Finns in general, who have held a special place in AH for many years, but nevertheless were out of place.
And I regret hijacking BaldEagl's thread. I'll shut up now.
- oldman
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I bow to Lusche's opinion, which I consider to be disinterested and authoritative.
No, no no.
Never take me as an authority on flight models in AH. On game mechanics, possibly - but never flight performance or modeling. For 'authority' status on that topic, you have to look at a few different guys.
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And I regret hijacking BaldEagl's thread.
No worries. I learned something that may help as I take on my challenge.
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So yesterday I fly the A6M-2 for three sorties. Three kills, two landed and then notice the camp hasn't started yet (forgot about those delayed weekend starts). :bhead
I see today it still hasn't started. So as soon a Skuzzy gets us going I guess I'll have to do a do-over.
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Hey now, I didn't say I was going to get a kill in every plane, only that I'd fly three sorties in each and do the best I can (excluding timidity).
As little as I've been playing I have to set a low bar.
The only record of a sortie is either a "Kills in" or a "Died in" stat.
I'm going for at least one "Kills in" per fighter.
Day 4: 18 fighter types. A lot have been ground vehicles, but a kill is a kill.
More importantly, BaldEagl, how are you doing with the treatment? :salute
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The only record of a sortie is either a "Kills in" or a "Died in" stat.
I'm going for at least one "Kills in" per fighter.
Day 4: 18 fighter types. A lot have been ground vehicles, but a kill is a kill.
More importantly, BaldEagl, how are you doing with the treatment? :salute
I've only gotten in 5 aircraft so far and am falling further behind.
Treatment? All I'll say is that this better work because it's not fun and I really don't want to have gone through this for nothing but I'm surviving and possibly doing better than expected. 5 weeks down, 4 to go.
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Treatment? All I'll say is that this better work because it's not fun and I really don't want to have gone through this for nothing but I'm surviving and possibly doing better than expected. 5 weeks down, 4 to go.
Stay positive. :aok
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I know you're all going to be wildly disappointed by this but this just hasn't worked out for me this month.
First I stated on the first which was a weekend not realizing the camp hadn't reset yet so I started over once it had.
Then I found out how long it takes to fly three sorties in the MA and find fights, especially if the arena populations are low.
The second day I logged on and was blissfully flying the A6M's when I suddenly couldn't fly the A6M-5 (ENY 20) due to ENY restrictions. I thought about switching sides but at 2:30 in the afternoon it meant I'd be stuck the rest of the day. I haven't been for or against it in the past but if the change rule would have been 4 or even 6 hours I'd have switched. Instead I logged off for the day.
Then I had to go in for chemotherapy. I developed issues eating due mostly to radiation and as a result also wasn't drinking enough (water). A week later when I went in to have blood drawn and get the dressing changed on my permanent IV I was wiped out and the nurse suggested they give me IV fluids and also suggested getting them daily. Unfortunately, scheduling at such a late date meant I had 1-2 hour a day sitting at the hospital between appointments waiting and cutting into the time I planned to fly. While I've cut this back to three times a week and the appointment times have improved there's still days I have to wait around.
As a result of this and my prior lack of playtime it was too easy for me to just give up on it for now. My treatments all come to a close the first week of December so I may set a more modest goal of one or two kills per plane for December and give it another go. We'll see.
Anyway, sorry I didn't come through as promised. On the plus side my health is mostly good and I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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I thought about switching sides but at 2:30 in the afternoon it meant I'd be stuck the rest of the day. I haven't been for or against it in the past but if the change rule would have been 4 or even 6 hours I'd have switched. Instead I logged off for the day.
Country switch time limit had been changed to 6 hours some months ago.
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Anyway, sorry I didn't come through as promised. On the plus side my health is mostly good and I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Great news on the health. Chemo is tough. :salute
I am currently at at a kill recorded in 50 fighters. In terms of conditions, that's it: at least one kill in the stats. Nothing about landing them. Nothing about what was killed. There are a few proxies in there. There are a few single kills with many deaths. With 71 fighters on the list, I might get close, especially over the Thanksgiving weekend.
But, BaldEagl, let's keep perspective. Your recovery matters way more than this game. Hang in there. Get well. :cheers:
Now, how to shave Lusche/Snailman's noggin?
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Bald Eagle,
-Attempting- the challenge is the important part. How long it takes is of absolutely
no imporance at all.
You've taken up a challenge that very few guys in Aces High would attempt.
In so doing, you've raised the proverbial bar for us all.
Hang in there and best of luck to ya!
Best regards, Odd
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Hello BE!
Sorry I missed this thread, I was away on vacation visiting my granddaughter's birthday for awhile in Florida...
I'm sending good thoughts and prayers your way, brother!
it was good reading your latest post in this thread...
I hope you are able to bring back the bracket in January.....they are always a pleasure to do
Take care...need anything shoot me a pm
TC